+100000

Debate is one thing. Most important to me, always respect the people. If you cannot even respect a Manchester United player, how can you even call yourself a Manchester United supporter?
Sack Fergie!!!! Sell Giggs Carrick!!!!!!!!!!!!

You never liked them doesnt mean you will have to highlight their mistakes every single time they performed below par. Did i see you mention anything when they play well? In fact in the Basel game i think Carrick is one of the better performer. Why not bash Rio for that game? Oh i forget, because you dont dislike Rio.

If i need to say, I definitely not a big fan or Michael Owen. Being a Liverpool player before and being signed when he's declining and slowed down, the only sensible thing i see in the deal is that its free signing. Heck even when he scored 2 against Leeds i dont sing his name. But did u see me talking thrash about him when he doesnt score? or when he doesnt run as fast as Rooney?

You like them or not, they are still United players. PERIOD. you like, or not, it doesnt matter. Nobody is forbidding you not to dislike them, but that doesnt mean criticism have to be given all the time. Learn how to appreciate what they can do rather than bashing them for not meeting your expectations. Is that too much to ask? Carrick has been with us since 2006, his strength and weaknesses is already known to everyone. Cant we all just accept it? for 5 years been complaining about him not playing creative passes or being 1 dimensional, still not enough? At the very bottom they are United player and still wearing the shirt and still giving their all to the team, even if its not the biggest of contribution. Cant you appreciate that and not demand more? Or do you want a big star who can run and hussle but if not being subbed earlier on, refused to play later on?

And then you have to bring in price tag as well. Overrated and overly expensive? Of all people SAF is the one who are tightest on the string purse, borderline stingy if i may say. So in what universe do you think he will splurge if indeed they are over priced?

So called "SUPPORTERS" we all. When watch game and played in a slow tempo, start complaining "match boring la", "wanna sleep" la. Are you watching the team to be entertained, or to SUPPORT? When players arent the type that we like or doesnt perform as we want them, we become JUDGE instead of SUPPORTERS.

Dont forget you CHOSE to support United, you CHOSE to watch the team and you CHOSE to stick to the team. So dont complain so much when it doesnt go your way.

Oh and 1 more thing: I'm being extremely honest here.

EDIT: forgot to mention that i am a fan since 2002. Yeah not long ago, not even 10 years. so probably not a big hardcore fans like many of u as well. If anything im probably just another glory hunter.

@Quick if you are reading, now u see what I meant? Already anticipate the type of respond i'll get

I really have nothing else to say. So much for discussing who is worthy to stay in the team and who needs to be sold. Carrick not proving his worth? I guess SAF is old and senile for keeping to play him. Maybe someone from here can be the next manager.

And please, like I've said to another poster here before. If you want a certain player to be sold, at least grow a pair and say the reason is because you don't like them. Don't cloud it behind the almighty glorious reason of trying to improve the team. If they are really that deteimental to the club, SAF of all people would have ship them out, you won't even have the chance to post it here. You and SAF, who do you think knows more about what is for the good of tue club? Don't compare yourself to me la, I'm only a glory hunter. But argue your case with SAF's preference of Carrick.

@tak3shi, so if someone posts a differing opinion in this forum it is "discussion", then if I post something that is countering to their opinion, I am a cult and immature and not respecting? If someone criticizes the club and players they are "discussing" and "free to say whatever they want" in a "public forum". But when I counter their argument I show no respect ro them got it now.

PS: Tak3shi, Konichiwawa and more recently Takuhiro. What an amazing coincidence

lol. I think you do not understand what you are saying. 

At which point did i say people cannot debate and discuss? At which point did I say people cannot disagree? At which point did I disrespect other people, even those who constantly insult man united players, for disagreeing? At which point did I force other people to agree with me (as if that's even possible on a forum)?

My point is this and only this. Debate all you want, but at no point should you disrespect a man united player. And yes this means posts like this --> "SAF is blind lar. Carrick is so shit but still play him."

If you still cannot understand this, then don't bother replying to me.
That's quite an interesting thing really. I think SAF left so many strikers on board because he has yet to make up his mind on the status of a few players. E.g. whether Welbeck and Macheda will step up or not, etc.

+100000

Debate is one thing. Most important to me, always respect the people. If you cannot even respect a Manchester United player, how can you even call yourself a Manchester United supporter?
Sack Fergie!!!! Sell Giggs Carrick!!!!!!!!!!!!

For me, criticism is good. If there is no critical examination of performances, no improvement will be made. However, i think such critical analysis only matters if it comes from the person who are directly accountable for the team, ie, the manager n staff. Quite how the team will improve from us msians bickering in front of our pc a few thousand miles away i certainly can't fathom. (Bottom-line is, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE POST HERE, NO WAY ANYONE FROM MUFC WILL ANSWER YOUR PRAYER AND DROP/SELL ANY PLAYER)

Putting that into perspective, i guess the reason why all of us post in this forum is to share our views on all matter united. To express our delight or dislike for all things united. Personally, i disagree that voicing concerns on the performance of the team or players amounts to disrespecting the club or the player for the matter. In fact, i don't understand how "respect" comes into the equation. If we are talking about respect in the form of respect for a player representing Man United on the pitch, well, someone might feel he is doing a terrible job at it on the pitch or off it. Take tevez recent incident. If i'm a city fan, tell me how i respect him. But do i want him to do well when he is playing? Of course.  I feel anyone is capable of "supporting" his/her club without dragging the whole glorified "respect" term into the matter.   

Right, as for my like and dislikes of basel 2011, dun think anyone who watched the basel game can disagree that we defended like "craB" for the whole 90min. It was not so apparent in the first 45 min but that has a lot to do with de gea bailing us out+poor finishing.

I dun think carrick had an especially bad game. Its more like the whole team had a poor game performing their defensive fundamentals. Things like tracking runners and getting tight on their man. Credit must go to basel for playing so expansively. Quite often in the game, we get overloaded on the wings and in the box. I know there is all this talk of our new way of playing, younger personnel and its eye-catchiness. With vidic out of the team for the past few gamessss, i can't help but notice how "soft" the whole team is. I can't remember much fouling by us during the game. Is that because we can't get close to their players or the general make-up of our players on not to get too tight? So, are we a "soft" team now?

Ookay. 

If you have a good point then we will agree. It's as simple as that. Who will respect you if you come and kutuk their house member?

However I do agree Carrick is not performing up to his best. Yeah he's declining, but it's because no fans that actually understand and appreciated him makes most of these guys here pissed off. When he was peaking at 06/07/08 season we grabbed FA, PL, CL, and he's the regular starter, do you even remember? No I think.

When Rooney's form dropped last season, I bet you are one of those people calling his head also. If not, CLEARLY you're bias. 

No point in arguing this. If you don't want to open your eyes, you're blind and can never see.