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what if nobody wants to rent your property ?Should We Buy Car With Cash?
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Jul 25 2015, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE(waiora_protuner @ Jul 25 2015, 10:57 PM) I need to do some calculation.. FD pays 4%. car loan interest is 2.5%. whch is better ? its a very simple calculation, dont even need business sense.Does the money kept in account, or FD, or ASB? I prefer loan to the max, cause the money can be use for better things...in sense of business capital... |
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Jul 26 2015, 10:24 PM
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lets do a simple calculation. i take a 100k hire purchase loan at 2.5% interest. after 5 years i would have paid total 112500.
if i instead put the 100k in FD at 4% per annum, after 5 years i would have 120000 (assuming i take out the interest every year). QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jul 26 2015, 12:00 AM) Are you telling people to keep cash in FD and go take car loan? u still havent tell us why u think 2.5% per annum is more than 4% per annum. You better think again. You would regret keeping your cash in FD and go take a car loan. The longer your car loan, the more u will regret. QUOTE(puchongite @ Jul 26 2015, 12:30 PM) Actually it's the opposite ! i have found that business sense is rarer than you would expect. do u think 2.5% per annum is more than 4% per annum . ?You don't even need calculation to know which is better. All that you need is business sense ! The banks take your FD money and loan it to people as car loan. On FD side they give out interest, on the loan side they collect interest. Banks are not charity organization. They have to make money. So business sense tells us FD side is smaller money than the loan side. QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 26 2015, 12:39 PM) Seeing so many financially uneducated people here, I think Bank Negara should set a ruling that banks which give out auto loans must also alert the borrower how much effective interest they are charging i have found that common sense is rarer than you would expect. u still havent tell us why u think 2.5% per annum is more than 4% per annum.Every now and then, there are new people appear here who thought car loan interest of 2.5% is better than FD 4%. It just showed that banks have done a successful job to "con" their customer into believing car loan is a cheap loan Common sense, will bank pay out 4% FD interest rate, and then collect just 2.5% interest ? This post has been edited by sootienann: Jul 26 2015, 11:08 PM |
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Jul 27 2015, 09:50 AM
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looks like all of u don't understand the hypothetical scenario. I have 100k right now, this moment, immediately, standing by idling in my account. lets just assume this 100k fell down from the sky into my lap.
if i take a 100k hire purchase loan at 2.5% interest. after 5 years i would have repaid total 112500. if i instead put the 100k in FD at 4% per annum, after 5 years i would have 120000 , assuming: a) I don't reinvest the interest every time it is paid out. B) I don't touch the FD principal . e.g. monthly outflow for car loan will be paid by monthly inflow from salary. QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jul 26 2015, 11:48 PM) here is a quick answer: see this online flat rate calculator http://loanstreet.com.my/calculator/flat-t...rest-calculator Put in 2.5% and any number of years you like... the effective rate is more than 4%. Flat rate: This is how the interest is calculated in car and personal loans. Effective rate: This is how the interest is calculated in fixed deposit and housing loans. Get it? The rates are NOT the same. To compare them, first, you need to convert the flat rate to effective rate. QUOTE(METALRAGE @ Jul 27 2015, 12:18 AM) My friend. You are forgetting the time value of money. You pay rmX every month. Not RM112500 at the end. don't think that I am paying X amount into FD every month. I will be putting the entire principal of 100k upfront into FD ok. Put it another way, rmX every month in FD at 4%p.a. for 5 yrs does not yield rm112.5k Suggested reading: http://loanstreet.com.my/learning-centre/i...e-flat-interest QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jul 27 2015, 12:25 AM) when you see so many disagree with you, you should be smart enuff to know you are wrong. Supersound eavesdropping there? looks like lowyat.net is not short of people who cant do their own simple calculation and rely only on theory.but the way, you retorted "..i have found that business sense is rarer than you would expect...............i have found that common sense is rarer than you would expect.......", you sounded like u are very clever. Of course there are many reasons why people who are cash rich, still take car loan. But that was not the answer people are looking for when they come ask whether they should keep own cash and take car loan that seems cheap , appears lower than FD rate! They want us to assure them yes, they can make some money out of that car loan. To them the answer should be a resounding NO. If they can make money out of it, they wouldn't be asking that Q here in the first place. just see what @sootienann thinks. QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 27 2015, 07:19 AM) 1 year don't know how many times the same question crop up in this forum. I also lazy to explain liao looks like lowyat.net is not short of who cant do their own simple calculation and rely only on theory.By all means genius, nobody stop you to become a fool QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 27 2015, 08:09 AM) If you count like this, then it is financial ignorance already. No offence. see aboveBanks won't loan out money at a interest rate lower than FD rate. If so, banks are making a losing business already. Banks are not "stupid" to do this, Please read what is EIR for a 2.5% car loan. QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 27 2015, 08:18 AM) May be I should pinned this explanation, as this question has been popped up again and again. see aboveSeems like many still do not understand what is flat interest rate of a term loan. Flat interest term loan typically car loan, interest already counted before hand for the total tenure. A 3% car loan interest : Remember you won't able to win against Banks by taking loan to put in FD. FD interest rate is the cost of bank funding, if banks do not impose loan interest higher than FD, then they are doing charity work already. This post has been edited by sootienann: Jul 27 2015, 10:41 AM |
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Jul 27 2015, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 27 2015, 10:00 AM) You have 100k FD now. why would I draw down my FD principal to pay my car monthly installment ? both are independent . I have other sources of funds to pay for the car installment.But you don't have 100K at year 2, year 3 already as you need to draw down your FD to pay your month installment. So the FD interest of 20k for 5 years is wrong. The one doesn't understand is you, not others. This post has been edited by sootienann: Jul 27 2015, 10:12 AM |
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Jul 27 2015, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 27 2015, 10:13 AM) Assuming 100k FD at 4%. as I already said , 100k windfall is a one-off. I wont be withdrawing the FD principal to pay for car monthly installment.Interest that can generate for you with car monthly repayment 1875. (as compared to pay off in cash) 1st year second month, you left with 98,125 that can generate 4% third month, left 96,250 Second year, you are left with 77,500 that can generate 4%. In the final 5th year, the interest will be so little as you are left with 10K in the FD. The further it goes, the less interest can be generated. So you do not generate 4K per year from the 100K. In fact, the final 5th, the interest can be generated is less than Rm400. |
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Jul 27 2015, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 27 2015, 10:18 AM) I think i know what are they talking about. Take loan 100k say 5 years. Put 100k into FD at 4% for 5 years. The FD principal and interest cannot be touch. Then pay off the car loan using salary. EXACTLY ! ITS SIMPLE SCENARIO AND SIMPLE MATH. YET TOO HARD FOR MANY PEOPLE TO GRASP. |
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 27 2015, 12:18 PM) Non finance trained people will find it very hard to grasp the concept of Time Value of Money. u could reinvest the yearly interest payout to get compounded returns.let me explain: Lets say I put RM100K in a 12 mth period FD at 5% p.a, one year later my profit is RM 5,000 and a ROI of 5%. Yay! Happy right? Then If I withdraw it out and do nothing... in the second year the annualised return becomes 5 / 2 = 2.24% p.a. but the profit still remain 5%. 3 years later, the ROI is still 5% but now the annualised return is (5)^(1/3) = 1.71% p.a. 4 years later, the ROI is still 5% but now the annualised return is (5)^(1/4) = 1.5% p.a. So you see, in real finance, we take in the concept of time and the cost of doing nothing is factored in.... hence we say Time is Money, we really mean it... mathematically! So, if you put in FD and wait and time the market.... you will lose your annualised return (we called it Internal Rate of Return, symbol is xIRR). Back to the question of taking a HP versus buying cash. Usually, HP interest rate of 2.8% to 3% when converted to effective interest rate (aka Time Value of Money concept) will be around 5.0% p.a. (xIRR) If you take the loan instead of paying cash and used the money instead to put your cash in FD @ 4% p.a. = you are a sor hai! If you take the loan instead of paying cash and used the money instead to put into real investment and say get 10% p.a = you are a W1NN4R! Understand? Xuzen This post has been edited by sootienann: Jul 27 2015, 12:34 PM |
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jul 27 2015, 01:39 PM) QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jul 27 2015, 01:31 PM) I salute everybody who take their time and patient to show mathematical calculation to educate a forummer here, despite his rudeness. You guys are conclusion:For me, I don't waste time on such people. I hope he continue to practise what he "believe" and let banks make his money A ) buy a bmw with 1.38% interest rate or B) take a car loan and put your money in ASB This post has been edited by sootienann: Jul 27 2015, 01:46 PM |
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