Exactly.

You are correct. I don't like it but a lot of people like it very much, it is like music, everyone has different taste. But still for someone looking for more input, here are mine.

If you use left eye to put on viewfinder, then you have very little space for your fingers to move the 2 dials. Now I understand why rangefinder and rangefinder style camera like X1000 and Fuji X100 put the VF to the far left, that's to give more room to the fingers.

The 2 rear button (including the play button) is partially block by the LCD screen, so every time you press them you are actually pressing the LCD screen too.

The strap ring on the right, it block your index finger and middle finger. It is OK if you don't use the 2 dials on top or you shoot with LCD screen only. Else you will find it quite annoying. You may need to buy some plaster.

Now, the button to turn on Live View shooting, why put it there and which finger should I use to turn it on and how? Thumb? Index finger?

Buttons are very cramped and navigating the menu will accidentally trigger something else. I have the problem even I have lady like fingers.

The above comment is from someone who has used serious compacts such as Canon G11, Fuji X100, Sony Nex 5N, Panasonic GX1, Olympus EP3 and Fuji X-Pro1.

But at last I want to say, if you enjoy it, don't hesitate to own one of it! Different people has different needs and requirements, I am just trying show my views. I have read a lot about OM-D online and was surprise how little they talked about the ergonomics and even surprise when they say "it feels good on my hand"... Looks like I am the dinosaur, haha.

We are having better and better phones, TV, computers and even refrigerators so there will always be better and better cameras. However, waiting for them is not fun. Haha.

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Added on April 25, 2012, 8:00 pmHaha, not feeling bad, just wanna add more input online so people can search and read them, that's what we do all the time, google for review and user experience, haha.

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Added on April 25, 2012, 8:03 pmOk, one thing to be fair to OM-D is that the shutter is brilliant! It is almost silent!!!

This post has been edited by samsungfreak: Apr 25 2012, 08:03 PM

lol, if front element got water need to wipe before shooting if not can see in picture lar. haha

Very hungry lar, don't post food lar please, ahahaha.

+1 for 20m f1.7! SLR primes quality on compact camera size body!

I also prefer black if all lenses have black version. But with some lenses like the 12mm and 45mm only in silver, I will have to pick a silver to match them or else it goes back to the same feeling I have with white canon L lenses on black body. Haha.

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Added on May 9, 2012, 9:18 pmYes sir, all m43 lenses are automatically corrected in Lightroom. You don't need a profile to correct it like Nikon or Canon that we are used to. It is "forced correction", compulsory, cannot turn off and already apply when you look at your picture.

This post has been edited by samsungfreak: May 9 2012, 09:18 PM

From my experience, lens correction may make the face better but not most of the time. When u use very wide focal length, if face appear near corner and border and you have it corrected, than face become very long and stretched. On in the other hand the uncorrected version will be better!

I forget to say that even tough you cannot turn off the auto correction for m43, you can still adjust the distortion effect in the MANUAL tab. Just try the effect on screen and see which one better.

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Added on May 9, 2012, 11:23 pmEveryone has their own favorite. I will say skip the C3, pick the Nex 5N instead and get lots more (better grip, etc). Nex 5N + 18-55 is a good combo. I have one although I have to admit that they really look ugly and unbalance. But strange enough, it feels good on hand and on practical use. Even with very little buttons, I find it very easy to navigate. Fuji X100 has lots of buttons and dials but poor implementation so it become more difficult to control.

I wrote a short review on each mirrorless system here, you can check it out
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=51235360

This post has been edited by samsungfreak: May 9 2012, 11:23 PM

C3 and 5N same sensor performance. C3 is a lot bigger and marketed as lower end Nex. The highest end is 7. So 3, 5 and 7. C3 will be replaced by F3 soon. 5N comes with more features (such as touch screen). From my experience, rarely got people choose C3.

I think girls hate the look of Nex with 18-55, esp when with hood attached.

I own GX1. And the biggest problem I have is that everyone will asked, "Why do you choose Panasonic and not OM-D or Nex or Fuji or ..........." LOL. And then if you say GX1 rocks, they say ,"Mehhhhhhhhh..." and then if you say OM-D sucks, they say "You something wrong!".

There used to be a negative 1 star review in Amazon which is very long and detail
http://www.amazon.com/Olympus-OM-D-E-M5-In...howViewpoints=1

And yet everyone reply and ketuk him 9 9. Now the review is gone. It is either he give up and delete it himself. Or Amazon and Olympus deleted it ... you know for what reason.

The Reasons why Panasonic Screw Up

The reasons why Panasonic screw up (more when compared to Sony or Olympus or Fuji, etc) is because they always make a stupid decision in the last few years. For example.

1. They released a legend camera, the GF1 few years ago. Everybody love it and talked about it (the respond is like X100 and OM-D of today). Then they do stupid thing. The release GF2, took away all the buttons and make the user use the touch screen. Then they do something even worst an release GF3, a consumer grade camera... The GF1 users just go zzz... It is only GX1 that is a real replacement of GF1 that we are waiting for.

2. If GF1 is the legend camera. The Panny 20mm f1.7 is the legend pancake lens. It is light. It is compact. It is fast and it is very very sharp!!! It is the kit lens for GF1. So it is a legend combo. And yet what Panasonic did? They replace the legend kit with the mehhh kit lens, the 17mm f2.5. Now it is indeed smaller and more compact(but 20mm is small enough), it is not fast and it is not that sharp! Even until today, it is still the kit lens.

3. The Panny 14-45mm is the original kit zoom lens for their early cameras. This lens is sharp from wide to tele. The best m43 standard zoom to date. And you already know what they did. They replaced it with a mehhhh 14-42mm. The new one is sharp at wide but not at tele.

4. And they bundle all their GX1 with the new 14mm and 14-42mm.... zzz... no body only kit available for sale... zzz...

5. Almost every camera they released has a new and different battery... and all of them have very poor battery life!!!

But don't get me wrong. I am a Panasonic GX1 user. I don't like any of their kit lens so I have to sell them off (see how anal Pannasonic is). But I really love this camera. I do have complaints on it such as loud shutter, poor LCD screen.... But for me it is by far the best serious compact after using G11, X100, Nex 5N, X Pro 1 and OM-D. I felt so relieve when I found this camera. It is not prefect yet and I don't expect GX2 can fix any of that (usually they will make their replacement model worst based on what happened to GF1) but for now, I am really happy with it. But to be fair, we can't expect X200 or X Pro 2 or Nex 5M will fix their weakness too. Looking for what you can get now is better to wait for the unexpected future.

HAPPY SHOOTING EVERYONE!

I have no experience with Pentax and Samsung, did they screw up? Anyone can write something to share? haha.

This post has been edited by samsungfreak: May 10 2012, 06:28 PM

Esp when cameras are designed by engineers and not photographers. And the specification written by marketing people... The need to protect a line from another line...

You are not alone when it comes to ergonomics. I believe, if what happen next is same as the X100, people will soon wake up and start talking about the negative side (instead of just all the glowing review, "the best ever", "can't go wrong with it" that we have right now).

This camera is so good on paper in everything, tilt screen, touch screen, 9fps, high ISO performance... I really have high hope on it... but then you hold it... right strap triangle poke you... try to push the 2 rear buttons, half of the force is used to pushing the LCD screen... try to find how to turn on the Liveview shooting, then only found it somewhere near the hump and I wonder which finger should I use to press it... the LCD screen is so big that there are not much space left for the buttons. The buttons so cramped and when you navigate you end up pressing something else... if you shoot with left eye, the 2 dials will be somewhere in between your eyes, LOL and you have your fingers there controlling the dial... haha. And there are so little people talk about this.

If there is one thing I love about it, is the almost silent shutter which I hope my GX1 has... my GX1 shutter sound like something broken and need to be repaired. hahaha. But again, if you really enjoy your camera, no need to listen to what other people (like me) say. This is the best part of photography today, we have lots of choices!

That's exactly the reason why negative comments need to be published and make available to the potential buyers considering it. The internet is for information sharing and both positive and negative must be published and told. It cannot be so one sided like the paid promoters such as dpreview and other online "magazine" and all the bloggers (such as Steve Huff) who get commission selling cameras at Bhvideophoto.com and Amazon.com. They almost like everything, they are paid for it. They glamorized the positive and swept the negative under the table.

http://www.mu-43.com/f42/omd-disappointing-ergonomics-25416/

Even Kai of DigRevTV have something to say about it on youtube which I think is more unbias than others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlngvkBxLME

People will rush into something and woke up later. It is call mania (happens in stock market, in real estate, in toys...). I am one of them, rushing into X100. Everybody talk good about it that time. Everyone who dare to talk bad about it will be banished (remember Galileo talked about the sun as the center of the earth?...). But after sometime, people become more realistic and start talking about the real downside. So as Fuji X Pro 1 now. So will be OM-D E-M5.

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Added on May 10, 2012, 9:04 pmp/s What I hope potential buyer will do is read about what people are talking on the ergonomics and then go to a shop or borrow one from a friend to experiment yourself. Don't spend RM3k (or even RM4k with the kit lens) and regret later unless you are very very rich.

This post has been edited by samsungfreak: May 10 2012, 09:04 PM

Yes, as long we are able to enjoy the camera we bought, we deserve it, not matter what is the brand/choice! At the end, it is us who use it.

25mm also can mar.

You very extreme lar, one so short, one so long. Why not another prime like 45mm? 20 + 45, wuhah! buy 2 and still around the same price as 25mm.

How about 12mm The floor so wet with your drooling. But I am very sure you need one of the wide angle zoom 9-18 or 7-14. Both are very highly reviewed and trust me, picking one is damn difficult if money is not a concern!!! Sometimes too many choices are not a good thing.

The 7-14mm is one of the legend lenses of m4/3. Scary part is that it is more expensive than Canon EF-S 10-22mm (wide for APS-C) and EF 17-40mm (wide for FF) which I cannot swallow.

One of the reason why I prefer m4/3 is that it is the only compact system that have a wide angle option, ops, not one, but two. And two also very very powderful! Fuji don't have. Sony don't have. Don't know Samsung got or not, let me google goggle. haha.

Update: Samsung don't have wide angle zoom. Widest is 24mm FF equivalent in a pancake.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_NX_mount

This post has been edited by samsungfreak: May 11 2012, 02:38 AM

RM1,380 is the cheapest price for Panasonic 20mm f1.7 you can get in Malaysia (after asking many shops).