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 US stock discussion v4, Bulls-Bears HUAT AH!! Pigs get slaughter

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pinkdevil88
post May 7 2012, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ May 7 2012, 12:13 PM)
Pink, I am not pouring cold water or what on you. What does those fundamental data have to do with apple share price.
Even though the data fundamental data appears good, It doesn't mean those broadcaster and hedge fund cannot cook "news" simply just to lower AAPL share price.
Even all your data is true or valuation, doesn't mean trader and hedge fund can't make up some bad news to short APPL share price.
I don't see why you have to argue this.
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I am not buying for the next two months, macroeconomic factor dont bother me much as long as the company fundamentals stay intact. look at the next 2 - 3 years, i believe it will have an healthy grow. you can go for LEAPS to leverage on your investment as well.
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post May 7 2012, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(pinkdevil88 @ May 7 2012, 12:54 PM)
I am not buying for the next two months, macroeconomic factor dont bother me much as long as the company fundamentals stay intact. look at the next 2 - 3 years, i believe it will have an healthy grow. you can go for LEAPS to leverage on your investment as well.
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but you're replying /talking to traders. What they said is probably about next two months (I dunno). So I think you totally miss the point?
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post May 7 2012, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ May 7 2012, 12:56 PM)
but you're replying /talking to traders. What they said is probably about next two months (I dunno). So I think you totally miss the point?
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ok, even when are are talking about the next two months. what does a $400 share price mean?? It means there will be a market crash and no other counter will be safe and the only possible trigger will be a greece default, a spain bailout, or a war on iran. Other than that i dont see a $400 share price on AAPL based on the fundamentals.
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QUOTE(pinkdevil88 @ May 7 2012, 12:59 PM)
ok, even when are are talking about the next two months. what does a $400 share price mean?? It means there will be a market crash and no other counter will be safe and the only possible trigger will be a greece default, a spain bailout, or a war on iran. Other than that i dont see a $400 share price on AAPL based on the fundamentals.
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ok, sorry If i offended you. $400 or $500 I dunno. It doesn't matter to me. maybe I am just to busybody here laugh.gif
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post May 7 2012, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(pinkdevil88 @ May 7 2012, 11:24 AM)
If BAC is trading at $817, You will need $81700 to buy 100 shares.

If BAC move $1, you will only get a $100 return from an investment of $81700. Isn't this absurb from your point of view??

Think again and apply this to AAPL.
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why you keep hammering with BAC?
That is just a mere example. I don't use actual real data, OK. Don't bring a childish argument and sticking your guns on it.
Even a noob knows about $1 movement will gain little ROI on an expensive investment.
By the way, there are other more "expensive" stocks out there.

Apple is not a GOD stock. Even WB have none

http://www.gurufocus.com/StockBuy.php?Guru...ren+Buffett&p=0

More on WB+Tech

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/i...ow/13015192.cms
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/warren-...ok-shares/12610



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learn2earn8
post May 7 2012, 09:41 PM

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tis thread moves very slow yawn.gif many years ago, all talk nothing but lvs
the next few years trend will be aapl & bac, ie. 2 shares
maybe after few years, tis thread can talk about 3 type shares
fuyoh, tis thread is as fast as a snail & tortoise racing on the highway doh.gif
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post May 7 2012, 11:26 PM

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Actually I wonder why LVS is so famous here..?ermm. Almost every single pages, sure LVS will be mentioned at least once. I am not trader so I dunno about the specific reason
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post May 7 2012, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(zamans98 @ May 7 2012, 09:22 PM)
why you keep hammering with BAC?
That is just a mere example. I don't use actual real data, OK. Don't bring a childish argument and sticking your guns on it.
Even a noob knows about $1 movement will gain little ROI on an expensive investment.
By the way, there are other more "expensive" stocks out there.

Apple is not a GOD stock. Even WB have none

http://www.gurufocus.com/StockBuy.php?Guru...ren+Buffett&p=0

More on WB+Tech

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/i...ow/13015192.cms
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/warren-...ok-shares/12610
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You still do not understand the whole idea i am talking about the stock price and value. I say focus on the % of change. Do not look at absolute value gain. The stock price has no relationship with the possible future gain. It all depends on the future earnings. A stock price at $10 is not consider cheap compare to a $500 stock. Remember to take into account the number of outstanding shares

Remember what you posted??

QUOTE(zamans98 @ May 7 2012, 09:22 PM)

nobody knows.

why AAPL? Because it just shoot by 100 US$?
All depends on your risk appetite and total cash in hand.
Assume u got 10,000 $ in hand, u can get only 16 shares say at 600$
When Apple hit 615$, u earn 15x16 > $230 less charges etc.
Once economy starts booming, banking stocks are better bet.
Get Banking ETF ----> XLF or just plain banking stock like BAC

BAC 10$ x 1000 = 10,000$
Up by 20Cts, you make $0.20x1000 = 200$

BAC can even move back to $15, hence $5x1000 > $5000
When did i say AAPL is a god stock? I said AAPL is highly undervalue in relative to its earnings. WB refused to buy because he is not certain if AAPL will still be the market leader in 10 years time. Even I have no idea where will AAPL be in 10 years time. But i can be quite certain in the near future 2-3 years the growth in AAPL is still healthy.


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post May 8 2012, 12:08 AM

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my memory is bad, if not mistaken hmm.gif
in v1 lvs was below $20, we were all laughing that it cannot go higher
in v2 lvs went above $20, we stil laughing & expect it to drop
in v3 we all did not laugh anymore as lvs went above $40

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fast forward today, the usa forumers have picked up lots of TA & FA skills since then. though their macroenomic analysis may be displayed in v5
they now choose the most powderful stock of all, aapl cool2.gif
imo, they forgot that a stock need to go many hurdles 50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 500 & etc
so they did not look for those hidden gems rclxms.gif they prefer argument rather than kok-peration

QUOTE(foofoosasa @ May 7 2012, 11:26 PM)
Actually I wonder why LVS is so famous here..?ermm. Almost every single pages, sure LVS will be mentioned at least once. I am not trader so I dunno about the specific reason
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Between April 2011 and April of this year, Berkshire shares lost 2.4% of their value, while the market gained 2.8%. In and of itself, that disparity isn't a huge deal. But when it's the tail end of three years' worth of lagging performance -- during which the fund advanced 32% while the market gained 60% -- shareholders have to start asking some tough questions.
http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post.aspx?...3d-159887f27ad2
http://business.financialpost.com/2012/05/...-year-in-a-row/

come on guys, lighten up, can u guys find jar jar binks
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2012...st-image/51940/

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post May 8 2012, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ May 7 2012, 11:26 PM)
Actually I wonder why LVS is so famous here..?ermm. Almost every single pages, sure LVS will be mentioned at least once. I am not trader so I dunno about the specific reason
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LVS now is my ex. She's not pretty anymore over 50. Eventho she made me so much money but I've decided to divorce her so that I can keep my other half.

Now, looking for another LVS-like stock.. brows.gif


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post May 8 2012, 02:43 AM

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I have just switched 75% of my AAPL options to 2014 $800 calls, as i believe the catalyst to push the share price higher will come somewhere at the end of 2012 to the beginning of 2013, with the sales report of iphone 5 out in Q1 2013 and also the ipad sales maturing. Plus I am looking forward to the introduction of Ipanel before 2014 hence my decision to switch over. Will take profit on the 2013 700 calls when the share price breakthrough $700. To those who believe AAPL is a copycat company producing imitation product, please continue to short AAPL in the long term and we shall see where will we be end of the year.
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AAPL will continued be sold off ever since earnings. Get ready to ride it down. wink.gif
Short is the new game in town. whistling.gif


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post May 8 2012, 11:15 PM

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Looking to buy on dip around 12750 smile.gif



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post May 8 2012, 11:16 PM

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Cool -200. Can close triple digits or last minute buy up hmm.gif
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post May 9 2012, 04:14 PM

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My current gambling positions +73% sweat.gif dog jones still neither here nor there
disca $2.80 now $4.5 +61% exited
bwld $7.10 now $4.61 -35% cut loss liao
sxci $10 now $20.5 +105%
lulu $19.20 now $14.05 -27% cut loss liao
dltr $12.16 now $14 +15% exited
tsco $98.50 now $95.82 -3%
hlf $68.74 now $56.02 -19% cut loss liao
aapl $560 now $568.18 +1%
dell $16.18 now $15.82 -2% swing trade fail, went below support line, cut loss
bac $8.2 now $7.75 -5% swing trade fail, went below support line, cut loss
mu $6.52 now $6.24 -4% swing trade fail, went below support line, cut loss
dia $11.60 now $10.15 -13%
dltr $102.83 now $101.6 -1%

QUOTE(learn2earn8 @ May 7 2012, 10:57 AM)
I am quite surprise tat the unknown, untested & inexperience Hollande won  shocking.gif
though it was a narrow fight, tat Hollande defeated Sarkozy by 52 per cent to 48  hmm.gif
didn't the french learn from the obama administration with high unemployment, sluggish growth & etc doh.gif
since France rejected austerity and elected a tax-and-spend socialist president, they need to bear the consequences  nod.gif
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...nquish-him.html

maybe its the thinking of the new western generation  blink.gif be lazy & expect lots of welfare handouts
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/job-disabili...Y3Rpb25z;_ylv=3
The problem is those on disability rarely return to work..... very few incentives for getting off the disability rolls, which pay an average cash benefit of $1,100 per month..... They are not encouraged to go back to work 

if the americans vote for laziness & more welfare handouts in nov2012, all bets are off & gold seems interesting 
but for now, I assume the americans will follow the uk & german path to austerity, its painful but necessary  tongue.gif
looks good as dog jones still hovering 133 to 127 even with all the current negative news, gonna be a bumpy ride
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My current gambling positions +128%  vmad.gif below 200% gonna be a bumpy ride for the month of may
disca $2.80 now $5.4 +92%
bwld $7.10 now $5 -30%
sxci $10 now $21.6 +116%
lulu $19.20 now $14.05 -27% cut loss liao, opportunity cost gone, now $19.05 -0%
dltr $12.16 now $14 +15% exited with puny gains, opportunity lost gone, now $17.4 +43% 
tsco $98.50 now $96.48 -2%
hlf $68.74 now $56.02 -19% once sighted bounce up with doji, then gonna get some puts
aapl $560 now $565.25 +0% dissapointing shortsqueeze. oh well, win some, lose some  laugh.gif 
dell $16.18 now $15.82 -2% swing trade fail, went below support line, cut loss 
bac $8.2 now $7.75 -5% swing trade fail, went below support line, cut loss
mu $6.52 now $6.55 target exit $7.5 +0% enter for volume buying due to cheap, but not expect it to up much
dia $11.60 now $10.45 -10%
dltr $102.83 now $101.87 -0%

danmooncake, for now, the selling machine is consider tame  tongue.gif they need to sell more, ie. below 12500
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post May 9 2012, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(pinkdevil88 @ May 7 2012, 11:42 PM)
You still do not understand the whole idea i am talking about the stock price and value. I say focus on the % of change. Do not look at absolute value gain. The stock price has no relationship with the possible future gain. It all depends on the future earnings. A stock price at $10 is not consider cheap compare to a $500 stock. Remember to take into account the number of outstanding shares
why keep posting on the things that is simple to comprehend? Its all a given (fact). Please post something new to understand.
u keep assume that I'm stupid.

Ok la. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(Myoswee @ May 8 2012, 11:15 PM)
Looking to buy on dip around 12750  smile.gif
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Looks like my Buy The Fxxxxxx Dip (BTFD) price is not too bad

Lets bounce tonight laugh.gif
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post May 11 2012, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(Myoswee @ May 10 2012, 02:07 PM)
Looks like my Buy The Fxxxxxx Dip (BTFD) price is not too bad

Lets bounce tonight  laugh.gif
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yea. loaded up some Chinese stocks.
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post May 11 2012, 11:59 PM

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My current gambling positions +92% sweat.gif since euroweenies problem stil uncertain, loaded more stocks instead of options
disca $2.80 now $4.5 +61% exited
bwld $7.10 now $4.61 -35% cut loss liao
sxci $10 now $22.1 +121%
lulu $19.20 now $14.05 -27% cut loss liao
dltr $12.16 now $14 +15% exited
tsco $98.50 now $99.11 -0%
hlf $68.74 now $56.02 -19% cut loss liao
aapl $560 now $569.95 +1%
dell $16.18 now $15.82 -2% swing trade fail, went below support line, cut loss
bac $8.2 now $7.75 -5% swing trade fail, went below support line, cut loss
mu $6.52 now $6.24 -4% swing trade fail, went below support line, cut loss
dia $11.60 now $10.05 -13%
dltr $102.83 now $103.35 -1%
disca 50.91
bwld 86.19
disca $4.50 Call Options Expiring Friday, October 19, 2012 strike price $50

QUOTE(learn2earn8 @ May 9 2012, 04:14 PM)
My current gambling positions +73%  sweat.gif dog jones still neither here nor there 
disca $2.80 now $4.5 +61% exited
bwld $7.10 now $4.61 -35% cut loss liao
sxci $10 now $20.5 +105%
lulu $19.20 now $14.05 -27% cut loss liao
dltr $12.16 now $14 +15% exited   
tsco $98.50 now $95.82 -3%
hlf $68.74 now $56.02 -19% cut loss liao
aapl $560 now $568.18 +1%   
dell $16.18 now $15.82 -2% swing trade fail, went below support line, cut loss 
bac $8.2 now $7.75 -5% swing trade fail, went below support line, cut loss
mu $6.52 now $6.24 -4% swing trade fail, went below support line, cut loss
dia $11.60 now $10.15 -13%
dltr $102.83 now $101.6 -1%
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QUOTE(learn2earn8 @ May 11 2012, 11:59 PM)
My current gambling positions +92%  sweat.gif since euroweenies problem stil uncertain, loaded more stocks instead of options
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Sell those near term cover calls...to get some cash flow or sell those out of money puts. wink.gif


Added on May 14, 2012, 5:16 pm
QUOTE(Myoswee @ May 10 2012, 02:07 PM)
Looks like my Buy The Fxxxxxx Dip (BTFD) price is not too bad

Lets bounce tonight  laugh.gif
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Will wait for more bulls to be slaughtered. Need more blood first... brows.gif

We all know what happened to last Friday after surprised announcement by JPM.
Let's see if the banks are going to lead to another downfall of the world financial market. I won't be surprise if there's more to come after JPM.



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