It seems nowadays many parents decide not to vaccinate their babies and children, at all..

I wonder any parents here have similar thought and why do u feel so?

some links i found stating the "ingredients" of the vaccines...

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circul...i/mmr_ii_pi.pdf
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circul...combivax_pi.pdf

and some statement i read online



So what do u think?



This post has been edited by sbux: Sep 7 2011, 12:05 AM

For me....I gave the necessary ones. I didn't give Xander the optional ones like chicken pox, pneumeccocal & rotavirus. I didn't want him to be given too many jabs in a short period of time.

Even the last few jabs..I was worried as they were linked to autism. However, I decided to go with it. I really really prayed very hard....and kept on looking for any side effects of the jab.

U see, having doctors as ur SIL and BIL is not all good.. SIL gave me this huge reaction and told me "not to believe what internet says..." She don't even have a FB account and do not know how to go online..

Then BIL asked me what jabs i wanna give, at that time, baby was 2 months old and i was clueless.. so i just told him... EVERYTHING that is necessary la..

Guess what... I sort of lost count on what jab my baby took!
One thing for sure is she took pheumococcal and rotavirus and the usual dtap.

whats the last few jabs u refering to?

me and my wife still thiking of whether to give our baby rotavirus vaccination, i have done little research and apparently this vaccination is in the recommended list by the WHO, CDC and etc in the immunization program

guess we have to go ahead, anyone of you know how much is the vaccination cost?

Rota is around rm150 pertime taken twice.
But older bb no need wohh.. I wanted to gib my bb at around 6th mth, my paed says too big de no need

This post has been edited by mIssfROGY: Sep 7 2011, 03:26 AM

thks for the info

ya, i have read some information said the last dose must be before 8 months old, there are 2 types of vaccine, one is 2 doses and another is 3 doses if i not mistaken

I've decided to give my baby only the necessary ones... Like I take my baby to Govt clinic and whatever mentioned in the book, I will give!

sbux...the jab that i was worried most was the MMR jabs. I even delayed the jab by about 1 month...coz i was worried about the side effects.

just give the recommended and necessary vaccine for your beloved baby.

if can afford, you can go for optional vaccine.

remember, prevention is better than cure. hope nothing happen to babies when we want to save money from vaccine. at the end, they suffer the most if not given proper/recommended vaccine.

Yaya me too. Heard that bb with egg allergies shdnt jab coz can die? Anyone can confirm? Wah when i heard this, guess i need to feed himm eggs be4 his 1st birthday to check to make sure

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Added on September 7, 2011, 12:42 pmAh yaya u r rite got 2 n 3. Not sure the diff.

This post has been edited by mIssfROGY: Sep 7 2011, 12:42 PM

sometimes it's not about the money. I find that it's too much to put into a baby's system..even though it's called a vaccine. And like sbux said....there's lots of ingredients in the vaccine...some contains mercury and so on..so just imagine...you give 3 vaccines....the amount of mercury is injected into your baby's system.

So what are the necessary ones?
I was highly recommended by the paed at DSH to give him pneumococcal and rotavirus.
I guess I'm not going to take it.

Come to think of it, I did not take any but still here asking questions also after 20+ years living..

And btw, where can I send my son for the vaccinations besides DSH? Does normal paed clinics have it the same?

normal GP have the vaccines and its much cheaper than DSH. Who is your DSH paed? Mine is Dr Soh.. she is not bad...

actually, if this vaccines have harmful ingredients, why do the WHO still recommend babies to take them?

Dr Soh too..
Normal GP, are u refering to those normal clinics?

Normal GP is those clinics u see everywhere... usually they have it..
call and ask first. Definitely cheaper than DSH.

Okie...thanks for the pointers...ur baby get the vaccinations at GP clinics?
I was quoted roughly RM2k for 3 jabs from DSH at 2, 4 and 6 months.

2K? What jabs are these lar? I only spent about less than rm 80- 150 per jab. The jabs that i took is the mandatory ones that is required by our health ministry.

Thats why i said DSH cut throat lor...Actually I also not so happy with Dr Sussana Huam, my wife's gynae.
Dr Soh, my son's paed, quote me around RM600++ per jab...

Ur kid's jab, where was it done?

I went back to where i delivered..a maternity clinic along Setapak..Klinik Sarmukh.

thank you phythia79, i guess u just saved me nearly half the amount i supposed, and thought reasonable to be paid....

anyway, anybody around PJ or Damansara mind to share where is the best clinic for these vaccinations ?

i only know 2 at Damansara Utama, but not sure bout the service and charges yet.

I think for the mandatory jabs .....from birth till 18 mths..in total i spent more or less RM1K

below is the schedule for the mandatory ones and recommended ones. http://www.huggies.com.my/immunization-sch...e-malaysia.aspx

Haha... I tell u what.. My gynae also Dr Susanna. She is fine la.. but a bit brief.. She finish my C-sec within half an hour.. LOL...

Her charges are a bit expensive but waiting time not long. So i guess its fine.

Where did i took my baby for jabs?

My BIL's clinic. Pay for cost price which i can't reveal.

My friend took her daughter to TMC for jabs. the normal Dtap, rotavirus and pheumococcal. RM 600++...

the jabs that are expensive..are the recommended (but not mandatory) ones like rotavirus and pneumocccal...which makes me wonder..are the creator of vaccines making big bucks on these?

Well, I can only consider Dr Sussana Huam average at 6 out of 10.
I will not engage her anymore in future for my 2nd baby.
IMO, she's not as good and as caring as what many had previously posted and recommended here and in other forums.

During our normal antenatal check-ups, we normally arrive early at around 8am and wait 1.5hours to see her.
But her check-ups are super quick, only around 5-10 minutes.

I find it quite irreasonable but somehow, I kinda dono what to ask her during each visits.
So its just: go in, lie down, check BP, scan the tummy, say everything ok, go out, take weight and urine test, pay bill, go home feeling blur.

And her charges ain't cheap or average, I can say, on the high side. Imagine 5mins earning RM80 for consultation and RM120 for procedures. zzz
No wonder she's carrying a Chanel 2.55 handbag

As for my wife giving birth, it was more absurb.

My wife experienced waterbag leakage on that morning 7am, but no contraction or pain at all. Just a little water leaked.
Initially I did not pay attention to it, cos she was all normal and walking about feeing nothing and it was 10days earlier than the EDD.
But when her second leak came at 7.30am, we decided to go to DSH just in case.

Upon arrival and checking, my wife was admitted to the labor room at 8am.
Dr Sussana came at 9.30am, check my wife's cervix openning and it was only 1cm. My wife insist with her that she wants to go for natural birth.
She said ok, but while checking my wife through the vagina, suddenly alot of water came out. Within 5mins, she said my baby's head is pressing against the umbilical cord and his heartbeat is dropping, thus we need to go for emergency c-sect ASAP.
The whole scenario was just like inside ER, nurse and doc running here and there, checking this and that.
In the end, the Doc brought in some papers, and both of us was left with no choice but to dully sign the operation forms etc.
Exactly like TVB.

And at 9.45am, my wife was sent upstairs to be given anaesthetic.
I asked the nurse if I can go to keep all our bags in the car before entering the operation theatre, she said ok, cos it will take sometime for the drug to come into effect. I went down to the parking lot, kept all the bags in the car, and went back up to change clothes.

But I didn't even had the chance to take off my shoes.
The nurse told me: Eh, your son already born lah, go downstairs have a lot at him!

I was sooooooo STUNNED! The whole process took only 10mins from the minute I left for the car park.

After a whole day of hoohah...my wife and I both suspecting that the whole emergency drama was staged.
Just a guess.

"It was 9.30am in the morning, and as u know, Dr Sussana's patient queue is LONG! and doing the maths, each patient roughly pays RM150-200 for each consultation.
My wife opted for natural birth, and that's gonna take alot of time from the Doctor, as she will need to be constantly around the patient to monitor how things are developing.

So, who in the world will be so stupid to choose to earn only partial of the RM3500 natural birth fee, rather than at least few thousands from attending to patients, whilst getting a higher bonus from an emergency c-sect?

If her average attending time to each couple is 10mins, she will lose around 30 visiting patients minimum that day itself."

I consulted my other friends and asked online regaring waterbag burst cases.
Mostly, it takes around 5-12 hours for the mother to be in labor and deliver naturally after the 1st leakage.
That's why both me n wife are suspecting that the sudden breakage of the bag and drop in baby's heartbeat was done on purpose.

Total bill in the end was RM8900++ for the delivery and 3d2n stay in a single bedded room.

And during the last postnatal check-up, Dr Sussana Huam said to my wife: You are doing fine, you don't have to come to see me anymore, good bye!
Chop chop, bill come out at RM345, with some antibiotics for the wound.

Who said first cut is the deepest? lolz....

So, did you opt for both jabs?

nopes. coz it was supposed to be given with or after the other mandatory jabs...which i find it's too much for a baby/infant to handle during his short months/ year coming into the world.

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Added on September 9, 2011, 10:50 amsounds so traumatic! I would also wonder if it was staged.

This post has been edited by phythia79: Sep 9 2011, 10:50 AM

yea...wifey so disappointed cos she was so anticipating a natural birth experience..hehehehe...

anyway, back to topic, the 2 additional jabs, is it ok if we don't take it? any consequences?

my wife's opinion is that since this rotavirus and pnemococcal vaccine is relatively new in the market, we cannot disregard the side effects in the future of the baby, say, 10 or 20 years down the road.

But DSH Dr Soh was so angry and even raised her voice to state the importance of this 2 jabs when we said we don't want to give it to my baby boy.

That's why I am considering to have him vaccinatted somewhere else.

Is it ok to have them at normal GP clinics?

Yesterday I enquired at Klinik Mediviron in Damansara Utama, they have it. And price is cheaper by more than half to what Dr Soh quoted.

My only concerns is that, if the Klinik is not so popular for baby vaccinations, would the vaccines be stored maybe too long and might expire?

Or there is no such thing as fresh and stale vaccines ?

I think it's uncalled for the doctor to be angry. My son's paed (which i take him to when he's sick) did suggest to give him the pneumoccocal but he said it's totally up to us. I think it's still the parents' decision if they want to vaccinate. Doctors are there to advice. Which raises the questions the margin of profit they are earning (which you then said that the other clinic priced the jabs at a lower price). I read somewhere on the internet..in the US..parents questions the effects of all vaccinations. However, I do believe some vaccines are important (like polio) as there were many deaths before the vaccines came out.

If you choose to give the optional ones..you can just have them at normal GP clinics. Of coz you have the right to ask them for you to check the box to see the manufacturing date and expiry...just to be safe. If you are worried, just go to a slightly cheaper paed, which i'm sure is popular among parents compared to normal GP. If normal GP..probably you can go to Taipan, USJ...klinik Lan & Wong. The doctor there is Dr Loo (who is a relative of mine)..i'm not sure how much he charges but i can assure you, that you can ask him questions and he'll answer as frankly as he can...before you decide if you want to vaccinate or not. Sometiems it's best to ask an expert rather than layman like us for quesiotns like fresh/stale vaccines..shelf life etc.

Thank you phythia79, at present calling each and every clinic around my area to enquire about tha availabilty of the vaccines..

I can tell u from the cost price my BIL charged us, doctors is earning damn dog a lot...

haha, so you meant these kind of prices?

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/vfc/c...-price-list.htm

Same here. Other extra jabs not necessary. In fact, I'm thinking to expose my kid to chicken pox as early as possible to let them hv d antibody.

Hi. My baby just turned 1 month old.

It is advice-able to go to KK for the compulsory vaccinations and optional ones at a private clinic?

KK doesn't allow 2 jabs in 1 month.
On the other hand private asked me to either do 2 weeks of each other or take 2 jabs in 1 day.

Sounds so confusing and risky. On the other hand, going to KK will save me thousands which can go to education, food, etc.

my baby is 4 months old now. took 2 jabs in the same day on her first vaccination. no problem

brought her for jabs in private paed

why did you get 2 jabs on the same day?
from what i understand if it is at a private clinic/paed/hospital, they'll combine so that there will be less visits and jabs for the baby.

I opted for private fully. It is expensive but since my babies are preterm I prefer to have the same doctor who delivered them monitor them for complications caused by vaccines

They took 2 jabs and one oral in a single trip on month 3, 5 and 7

Take the compulsory vacc in KK and the optional ones in private clinic. Save the money!

yup.. that is what I will do.
the savings can go to good quality food for the baby

KK is pretty good nowadays. Just that if you're not breastfeeding, they might nag you for a bit. Both my son went to KK for vaccinations.

Vaccination schedule for children is pretty much the same for Malaysia and some other developed countries. You can compare them by finding this online. They are safe la. I have my baby all that is listed according the schedule.

Actually, my feeling is that if you child is not vaccinated, then they should not be allowed in daycare/schools because there is risk that they spread those diseases around to other kids who have not had a chance to be vaccinated yet.

thats exactly the reason. less visit, less fear for the baby

my wife and i are scared of going to kk for jabs given the current pandemic situation. sakit dompet

never doubted safety issue as we went there for pregnancy check ups and jaundice check for baby.
just curious about the timeline for vaccinations.

did you take the optional vaccinations as well?

No. My mom looks after my sons... Why do I waste money on extra vaccines

less prone for that sickness.

imagine your son sick for 1 week, medicine & doc visit cost you how much?

not to mention have to take day leave for that.

It really depends on individual. My eldest son always sick whenever teething and after going for vaccination while my younger son had none of that at all.

That is what I did too. Tried to complete all compulsory + optional vacc as per recommended by doctor. Hopefully they suffer less due to certain sickness in future.

vacc for sure

vaccinate for sure

most good docs won't accept patients unless they vaccinate

Hi. We nvr visit goverment hospital during pregancy, thus no red book.

So any chance if we can still take jab at KK?

red book i think you refer to mother book.

for baby we use baby book.

not to vacc, worry babies cant handle the side effect

ohh ya baby book

wife delivered at private hosp, baby still can go KK for free vax?

Should be able to.