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TSkimchoo
post Sep 3 2011, 08:11 AM, updated 15y ago

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first of all, ths is my first post in lowyat.net and i would like to share with u bout my egpu setup. tongue.gif
however, i just roughly go through everything and if u find that it is interesting, pls find attached web link for more detailed information.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-sof...xperiences.html

my machine
laptop: dell vostro v130
cpu: intel i5 470um 1.33ghz (ultra low voltage)
igpu: intel hd graphics
egpu: gtx 550ti (second hand item, 89au)
diy vidock: PE4H+PM3N (around 100us)
driver: Verde 275.33 + nando's nvam.inf (modded nvidia optimus driver)

parts needed for ths egpu setup:
1. (DIY Vidock) PE4H+EC2C/PM3N
EC2C is for express card slot
PM3N for mpcie slot
http://www.hwtools.net/Adapter/PE4H.html
2. a power supply
3. amd/nvidia graphic card
nvidia(fermi) + intel 4500MHD/HD/HD3000 + modded nvidia optimus driver = gaming with laptop internal display
nvidia fermi desktop card: GT4xx, GTS4xx, GTX4xx, GTX5xx

here is my laptop with egpu + internal lcd, testing with crysis 2. sorry for poor skill and video quality, i just simply captured.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jIb2jurRIU

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however, the performance is lower if compared to desktop setup due to the the bottleneck effect of my cpu (1.33ghz) and some sort of bla bla pcie connection, pls find the attached link for more detailed information. anyway, thank you so much for giving me ths chance to share my experience with lowyat-ian and sorry if there is any inconvenience made. tongue.gif

This post has been edited by kimchoo: Sep 3 2011, 08:58 AM
CzarXVII
post Sep 3 2011, 08:15 AM

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So cool.. drool.gif drool.gif


Added on September 3, 2011, 8:16 amroughly how much it will cost for egpu setup??

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TSkimchoo
post Sep 3 2011, 08:27 AM

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em... i bought the diy vidock parts (PE4H+PM3N) around 100US included postage from taiwan . the gtx 550ti i bought it from ebay, second hand item and it costs me 89AU. anyway, it is much more cheaper than the ordinary Vidock : D
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post Sep 3 2011, 08:46 AM

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kimchoo: ur lappy doesn't come with any GPU? just intel HD only? so total how much u spent?
TSkimchoo
post Sep 3 2011, 08:52 AM

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yeap, no gpu but the intel HD graphics. around 100us for that diy vidock parts and 89au for gtx 550ti .
pandera999
post Sep 3 2011, 09:09 AM

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gt ppl sell this at garage sales if not mistaken.. external gpu...
so ts, how ur gaming performance then? heat? kinda interest to noe oso.. XD
TSkimchoo
post Sep 3 2011, 09:44 AM

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oh ya , someone selling the real Vidock in garage sale. it did boost the gaming performance few times if compared with just igpu alone like intel hd graphics in my vostro v130. em.. playable framerates in crysis 2 with "very high" setting and maxed out setting in bulletstorm even with 2x anti-aliasing. and my notebook cpu is quite hot actually, hitting 80c semetimes : D . anyway, u cant expect very high performance from my egpu setup, the intel i5 ulv might be the one that slowed everything down. haha
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post Sep 3 2011, 09:55 AM

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and the PCI-E x1 as well...
TSkimchoo
post Sep 3 2011, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(astria @ Sep 3 2011, 09:55 AM)
and the PCI-E x1 as well...
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yeap!! exactly ! rclxms.gif
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post Sep 3 2011, 10:09 AM

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One thing I dont like about DIY Vidock is that it looks kinda messy, and its hard to find and buy PE4H+EC2C/PM3N in my area here. I dunno whats that.

If me, i'll buy Vidock...although expensive a bit...
joanneway
post Sep 3 2011, 10:10 AM

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accumulate the dust only.
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post Sep 3 2011, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(joanneway @ Sep 3 2011, 10:10 AM)
accumulate the dust only.
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Anyway, its a good attempt, and at least we get to play some high end games on our old lappy... biggrin.gif
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post Sep 3 2011, 10:21 AM

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true also.
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post Sep 3 2011, 11:44 AM

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laugh.gif it look nice if not look messy... the wire make headche...
kizwan
post Sep 3 2011, 02:46 PM

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eGPU Configurations
A. PCIe x1 link.
This setup only require one PCIe x1 port. This can be either mPCIe port or ExpressCard (34mm/54mm) slot. There are two flavors of PCIe x1 link setup:-
  1. Raw PCIe x1 link setup.
    Any notebooks can support this setup. However, eGPU will perform worst on any pre-Sandy Bridge (SB) notebooks with this setup. This is because of the PCIe x1 bandwidth on pre-SB notebooks is only 2.5Gb/s at each direction (5Gb/s concurrent). eGPU will perform better on SB notebooks because PCIe x1 link speed is 5Gb/s at each direction (10Gb/s concurrent). However, SB notebooks can only utilized this using newer PE4L v2.0 or PE4H v3.0 which will be available soon (Jan/Feb 2012).
  2. PCIe x1 + Optimus = x1.Opt or x1.2Opt
    Opt=Optimus will provide PCIe data compression which boost performance over PCIe x1 link. Optimus only possible if your notebook have either active Intel GMA 4500MHD or Intel HD Graphics or Intel HD 3000 or Intel GMA x3150 (e.g. Asus Eee PC 1015PEM netbook) iGPU. Combination with either of these iGPU & Nvidia Fermi (Nvidia GT4xx, GTS4xx, GTX4xx & above) desktop graphic card, you will be able to do x1.Opt setup. x1.Opt will provide way better performance than raw PCIe x1 link setup. It's equivalent to PCIe x2 link setup & on certain games, way better. You also will be able to get acceleration on internal LCD but the performance will almost half because graphic card need to transmit the frames through PCIe x1 link, the same link which notebook use to transmit data to eGPU for processing. The PCIe data compression provided by Optimus will reduced/eliminate any lags during gaming. You will get full performance if using external monitor (~80% compared to desktop).

    SB notebooks chipset support PCIe 2.0 5Gb/s x1 link. The performance is equivalent to PCIe 2.5Gb/s x4 link. The PCIe 2.0 5Gb/s compliant kit will be available soon (Jan/Feb 2012).
B. PCIe x2 link.
This setup require two PCIe x1 ports. This can be either combination of ExpressCard + mPCIe slot OR two mPCIe ports. x2 link setup only possible with either of these combinations:-
  1. PCIe port#1 & port#2.
    OR
  2. PCIe port#3 & port#4.
    OR
  3. PCIe port#5 & port#6.
You can use AIDA64 software to check the PCIe port numbers, for example:-
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Remember, the PCIe port(s) that is/are reported "Empty" doesn't means they are available physically. You need to check them yourself. mPCIe port(s) usually located at the bottom of your notebook, in HDD/RAM compartment. For ExpressCard slot, you need to connect, for example, ExpressCard to eSATA/USB adapater to know the ExpressCard PCIe port number.

This is an example of x2 link connections; PCIe port#1 (WWAN) & port#2 (WLAN):-
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This setup provide performance equivalent to x1.Opt setup, except the internal LCD support/acceleration. External monitor is a must for this setup since notebook doesn't have compatible iGPU to project frames to internal LCD. You can use either ATiAMD or Nvidia graphic card for this setup.

C. PCIe x4 link.
This is rare setup. This setup require 4 PCIe x1 ports; PCIe port#1 + port#2 + port#3 + port #4 OR PCIe port#5 + port#6 + port#7 + port #8. Only some notebooks have PCIe ports arrangement that can support this setup, e.g. Dell Studio XPS 1645.


NOTE: x2 & x4 link setup are not possible on SB notebooks due to hardware/BIOS limitation.


ExpressCard (34mm/54mm)
(Source: www.expresscard.org)
Comparison between CardBus & ExpressCard. Only ExpressCard useful for eGPU.
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eGPU vs. PCI space
eGPU will require 256MB of PCI space for it to work. TOLUD register defined available PCI space on notebooks. On some notebooks, TOLUD register is set too high which means there is not enough PCI space for eGPU. In this situation, the only way you can get eGPU to work is by reducing RAM to 2GB/3GB of RAM. With more RAM, eGPU will be detected but with Error 12 in Device Manager. To know the value set in TOLUD register, you can use Device Manager; set View to "Resources by connection" & expand the Memory tree; like this:-
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The first PCI bus with 8 digits memory address is what you're looking for. In the above example, the firs PCI bus with 8 digits memory address is 0xA8000000. The calculation is simple:-
0xA8000000 = 2818572288 (dec) bytes = 2818572288 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024 = 2.625 GB

As long as TOLUD is equal or lower than 3.25 GB, you will have no problem using eGPU & 4GB or more RAM. You can use this table for quick calculation:-
  • E0000000 = 3.5 GB
  • D0000000 = 3.25 GB
  • C0000000 = 3 GB
  • B0000000 = 2.75 GB
  • A0000000 = 2.5 GB
Usually, even with low TOLUD, you can get Error 12 in Device Manager since the PCI space are, let say, scattered. For this, you can do PCI compaction using eGPU Setup 1.x. USD 25 license fee will be impose if you use eGPU Setup 1.x software with eGPU kit from any supplier other than HIT (Harmonic Inversion Tech).

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QUOTE(kimchoo @ Sep 3 2011, 09:44 AM)
oh ya , someone selling the real Vidock in garage sale. it did boost the gaming performance few times if compared with just igpu alone like intel hd graphics in my vostro v130. em.. playable framerates in crysis 2 with "very high" setting and maxed out setting in bulletstorm even with 2x anti-aliasing. and my notebook cpu is quite hot actually, hitting 80c semetimes : D . anyway, u cant expect very high performance from my egpu setup, the intel i5 ulv might be the one that slowed everything down. haha
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You can easily supercharged the ULV processor using ThrottleStop.

Anyway, kimchoo DIY eGPU setup is x1 link with Optimus which is better than PCIe x2 setup. With PCIe x2 setup the eGPU will perform roughly 80% from it actual capability. There is several video on youtube. You'd be surprise how well it perform on PCIe x2 or PCIe x1.Opt (with optimus).

This post has been edited by kizwan: Jan 19 2012, 03:01 PM
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post Sep 3 2011, 03:02 PM

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That's good news bro......cool...
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post Sep 3 2011, 03:53 PM

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oo..this is nice..

at least people who cant afford to buy good laptop to play games can use this DIY method and still be able to play new games witout a problem
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post Sep 3 2011, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(viruz019 @ Sep 3 2011, 03:53 PM)
oo..this is nice..

at least people who cant afford to buy good laptop to play games can use this DIY method and still be able to play new games witout a problem
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It seems so complicated and hard to look after.
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post Sep 3 2011, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(Ikmal91 @ Sep 3 2011, 06:43 PM)
It seems so complicated and hard to look after.
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Actually its simple provided your notebook support it. Looks messy due to cabling and TS use internal PCI-E connector instead the one provided by the notebook via PCI-E port.

Anyway, its great to see some local scene involve with egpu/vidock setup. Provided with decent laptop and external gpu, can easily reach 15k+ 3dmark06.
The difference with egpu and vidock is, vidock provide internal case including the wiring / jumper board in order for the card to operate. Plus, the setup automatically be remembered for the gpu used, plug and play. (not sure on egpu) (credits to ComputerCowboy from notebookreview)
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Attach some setup from egpu (GTX470) + VAIO Z (Intel HD + GT330M) by notebookreview user, yuuma.
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I can say its neat, and its like PMD approach which use by Sony for the flagship model, the new Z.
I love seeing this kind of technology. Its currently testing on Thunderbolt port, instead of already support port PCI-E.

This post has been edited by Miyabi: Sep 3 2011, 08:55 PM
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post Sep 3 2011, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(Miyabi @ Sep 3 2011, 08:49 PM)
Plus, the setup automatically be remembered for the gpu used, plug and play. (not sure on egpu) (credits to ComputerCowboy from notebookreview)
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Not true for all notebook though. This depend on BIOS & system configuration/design. Plug n play on one notebook but not that easy on another. This is true for both VillageTronic's ViDock & DIY eGPU. As long as there is enough PCI space, ViDock or eGPU will work. Many notebook have higher TOLUD & not enough PCI space.

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