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N1ck
post Mar 28 2012, 05:56 PM

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Hello, Ive been having fatigue for some time and the fatigue is getting worse. I can't go through a full day at university without wanting to go home and sleep.
I get around 7 to 9 hours of sleep during the night plus around 1 hour of sleep during the day. If I don't sleep during the late evening, Ill feel headaches, brain can't work.
I have enough energy to exercise, however strainous exercise such as jogging for aroung 20 minutes or heavy muscle training will make me feel very tired the next day, 40% of the time Ill get sick with a sore throat.

Besides that I get sick alot. Around October to December last year, I got sore throat multiple times and during that duration my fatigue got worse.
Now I still get the occasional sickness but not as bad as last time but the fatigue is terrible.

I went for a blood test and everything came back normal except low neutrophil count and high HDL cholesterol
Other blood range was normal.

Diabetes, kidney function, lipid profile, liver function, thyroid, serology, urinalysis came back normal.

I don't know where to go now. Most people think its nutrition. My GP recommended me to take multivitamin + pro-biotic. I have been taking them and it help slightly but the problem is still there.
My diet is normal. Rice + wholemeal bread + vegetables + fruits + chicken. Pretty balanced. Could be better but I'm sure its of higher quality and more balance than most of my friends and I seem to be the only one missing class due to fatigue.
N1ck
post Mar 28 2012, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(Tham @ Mar 28 2012, 10:07 PM)
Definitely not your diet nor nutrition.

" ..... except low neutrophil count. "

" Besides that I get sick a lot. Around October to December last year, I
got sore throat multiple times and during that duration my fatigue got worse.
Now I still get the occasional sickness but not as bad as last time but the
fatigue is terrible.
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Based on this this and your description of your symptoms,
CFS immediately comes to mind, with the possible cause being
infection with EBV, CMV, HHV-6 (all herpes family) or Coxsackie.

What is your ESR and eosinophil count ?

The causes of CFS are multiple and controversial, but the herpes
family, typically EBV and CMV, are long suspected culprits.

Read my posts here :

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/51493...post__p__494131
XMRV (xenotrophic murine leukemia virus) has also been implicated, but
it appears to be due to lab contamination.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/33585...post__p__445863
Go to any Chinese medicine store, and buy a few packets of
this 800-year old classical herbal formula, Bu Zhong Yi Qi Wan
( 补中益气丸) . This should improve the symptoms.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/33585...post__p__445703
To knock out the virus, try a good olive leaf extract, particularly
Oliceutic-20 by Nature's Plus.

http://www.iherb.com/Herbal-Actives-ARA-La...Caps/21530?at=0
More on CFS.

http://www.longevityhealthcenter.com/chron...ibromyalgia.php
As lauric acid, which is converted to monolaurin, has antiviral properties,
take two tablespoonfuls of virgin coconut oil a day as well.
I am taking it to fight TB, as well for general health support.

http://www.examiner.com/nutrition-in-sacra...IxdDwB3BxN3L7Ig

http://www.helpofchinesemedicine.com/tcmfo...hongYiQiWan.htm

http://www.earthclinic.com/CURES/chronic_f...e_syndrome.html

http://www.coconutdiet.com/cfsfibro.htm

http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/treat/T22089.html
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Thank you for your help. Could be EBV. I had some of the symptoms

Neutrophil is 48% normal range is 49-69 Thus mine is low.
ESR is 4 MM/HR normal range is 0-10
Eosiniphil is 1% normal range is 0-6

If I take coconut oil and the Bu Zhong Yi Qi Wan, and the olive oil extract. Short term is enough right?

Sorry edited mistakes

This post has been edited by N1ck: Mar 28 2012, 10:45 PM
N1ck
post Apr 1 2012, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Apr 1 2012, 01:33 AM)

N1ck.. you just need some supplement (multivitamin) with ginseng extract to boost your energy.. take in the morning.. and i will look into your lifestyle instead.. no qs about the "exercise" but more to when you do it.. and i will look at your sleeping pattern as i do think you have some sleep problem.. more like "disturbed" sleep to me.. do you sleep with other ppl? i dont mean any harm.. i just know if there is as i want to check if you have snoring problem as it seems to be the case.. again.. more info needed for further diagnosis.. but that is where i will start rather than coming with some bizzare virus or illness... i will rule this out first.. and your blood "result" looks normal to me.. a slightly low neutrophil does not cause any alarm.. it might be you are sick when you do it or something.. i will also see your diet in this case.. just in case you lack certain stuff.. and hence my recommendation for multivitamin with ginseng for your case.. and i will also look at other illness you might have.. inherited or not.. and how is your health "condition" since young.. to me.. you might have a weaker body since young... any other health conditions? and.. where are you now? as in compare to your hometown.. is there a change in "environment".. as i think that might also be a cause of concern.. more info needed as usual...


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Life have been great until 2nd year of university. I was very active, could go parting after class. Sure I sleep alot but thats because I did not get much sleep during the night. If I had 8 hours of sleep in the past, I would not have to sleep in the afternoon. No known health problem except a higer tendancy than usual to get sore throats when I was younger.


I take multivitamins, as I said they help but they just help abit.
I don't think I snore but I would not know as I sleep alone. Ive gone on holidays with people before, they don;'t comment on my snoring so I guess no snoring.
How do I know whether I have disturbed sleep. I have trouble sleeping until around 11.30 pm other than I don't think I have any problems.

The thing is I doubt the need for supplements. IMO a normal person should is able to last a whole day without supplements unless his or her diet sucks.
I know lots of people who can, why can't I. And even with supplements, I still feel tired and sick.
N1ck
post Apr 1 2012, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(Wolves @ Apr 1 2012, 04:50 PM)
as i say.. i not really keen to post smile.gif however.. i will try a few more stuff here.. from the description.. hmm.. you seems ok in childhood.. i cant say for sure.. i want to make sure you belong to which "body".. this is more holistic and bogus.. but i find that it does help in things others cant explain.. first.. you scared of hot more or you scared of cold more.. if you eat durian or those heaty food.. how your body reacts? what abt coconuts and the "cold" ones.. does it affect your body.. and your palm of the hand.. normal? usual hot or cold? my suspect is you belong to the heaty one.. or warm in this case.. to make sure.. if you eat a lot of keropok and durian and fried stuff.. you might feel body heating up and easily get sorethroat after that.. this is just a guess.. so like i say.. i would prefer an "interview" to dig info but i cant.. lol.. this part is useful to "tune" your body towards a more balance body and hence reduces stress level in your body.. and i think your condition is stressed related in a way.. ok.. time to put on my western medicine cap smile.gif

first.. i would like you to have two diary.. if possible.. one is your food diary.. write down in brief what you ate.. amount.. i want a week minimum.. or if possible two or more weeks.. just write down and dont look back.. after the "end".. one week or two or whatever you decide.. then you open and look back and see.. see how balance or unbalance it is.. i am not gonna tell you how to see first as my experience tells me if i tell you what to look for.. your psychological brain will "adjust" your food to make it look perfect.. and the longer you do.. the better we can see if its ok or not..

second.. a sleep diary.. i want you to write down.. when you go to sleep... and when you wake up.. if you ever ever ever wake up and realise it.. write down.. if for example.. got to bed at 9pm.... then by 10 still awake.. you jot down as well.. and by 11 still not yet sleep.. jot down as well.. and so on.. like i say.. as long as possible.. naps included.. i want to know the "total" a day.. starting from say 9pm till 9am... and i want you to record how easy or hard to "fall asleep"... and if disturbed.. or not.. i know you tend not to remember.. this is when having a good gf to sleep with you is good tongue.gif but i guess not possible at this time in your case.. but.. if you do ever remember or wake up half way... jot down.. and if can ask friend to help.. try to sleep when they can sort of see you.. like in living room for a nap... a nap more than 2 hours is prefered and see if you indeed snore or not.. as usual.. just record.. dont look back..

the two above method is a suggestion you can start.. its just a suggestion.. not a must or anything.. and its just my opinion.. there is a few good doctors around.. they might differ in view.. but if i were to give advice.. this is the two things i want to see first.. hope the others can give input.. as for supplements.. i will hold myself from suggesting first.. until i establish your body type.. but if i cant.. i will go for a multivitamin plus ginseng.. pharmaton and proviton is in malaysian market.. its a good choice.. and cod liver oil if your lipid profile is ok.. its both to boost immune and reduces stress... minimum is i will focus on vitamin b complex.. namely vitamin b1, b2, b3... and of coz take in the day.. as early as possible.. erm.. what else.. i am only thinking with 10% capacity as i dint sleep much and really having a very stressful day so far.. so pls do add in some other comments... let me see.. oh ya... activity level.. when you do exercise.. i would put that together with your sleep diary.. i think so far that is it.. its gonna take some time to adjust.. esp when i cannot see you in person.. so.. this is my opinion.. and i believe most doc will raise their eyebrow with my suggestion as all these are more of an alternative than mainstream for them tongue.gif but i guess they might see the rationale i am doing it.. i dunno.. malaysian practice is kinda... well.. weird and i am even weirder but my style is usually weird in a lot of ppl's eye smile.gif over and out..
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Alright I will keep a diary. Ill write down what I ate, sleep as you mentioned and also my condition throughout the day)

BTW my bowels have not been good lately. Stool does not seem normal, should I go see a specialist?
Actually my stools have not been normal for almost half a year I just did not bother but its getting worse now small hard stool, sometimes even soft have to strain to pass lately. I think this could be the cause of my condition.

 

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