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 Arsenal Street Talk, 21 September 2011 | 0240 | ARS v. SBY

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post Sep 20 2011, 09:48 AM

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Actually the 8-2 demo job by Man U has more damaging effect to the players & the team..more than some ppl wanna admit. Okayla, even if we lose 50-0 also it's still only 3 points lost..good if U look at it that way..but can U imagine the psychological effects it has on the players morale ? The rest of the world is gonna remember that day & it's gonna be used against us every time.. I can imagine EPL commentators using that in every commentary from that day onwards... It's the same as losing 21-0 in badminton, getting lapped in a race, losing 6-0 straight sets in tennis... mental.. & it's gonna take a loooong time to heal..

This season I'll just take the wait & see approach la.. of course la it's very early in the season...but things dun look good .. I bought both Arsenal's jersey this season, one had RvP printed on the back... & I wear them even after that Old Trafford disaster... Good luck to us all...
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post Sep 20 2011, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(rosicky_return @ Sep 20 2011, 09:15 AM)
ohz.. how come.. meaning tonight dun need to wake up at 2.30?
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there's probably gonna be streaming links on last minute if we're lucky. i dunno

just keep your fingers crossed
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post Sep 20 2011, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(tenno @ Sep 20 2011, 09:48 AM)
Actually the 8-2 demo job by Man U has more damaging effect to the players & the team..more than some ppl wanna admit. Okayla, even if we lose 50-0 also it's still only 3 points lost..good if U look at it that way..but can U imagine the psychological effects it has on the players morale ? The rest of the world is gonna remember that day & it's gonna be used against us every time.. I can imagine EPL commentators using that in every commentary from that day onwards... It's the same as losing 21-0 in badminton, getting lapped in a race, losing 6-0 straight sets in tennis... mental.. & it's gonna take a loooong time to heal..

This season I'll just take the wait & see approach la.. of course la it's very early in the season...but things dun look good .. I bought both Arsenal's jersey this season, one had RvP printed on the back... & I wear them even after that Old Trafford disaster... Good luck to us all...
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then friends also will mock u

like the international team mates sweat.gif
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post Sep 20 2011, 02:01 PM

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Carling Cup :-

Łukasz Fabiański, Johan Djourou and Kieran Gibbs all need 90 minutes and all start, as does Marouane Chamakh, who will partner Park Chu-Young in a potential return to the 4-4-2.

Elsewhere, Carl Jenkinson and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain both impressed for the Reserves last week, and will offer a dangerous attacking threat on the right. On the left, Ryo Miyaichi’s lack of fitness means another chance for the experienced Yossi Benayoun. Francis Coquelin and Emmanuel Frimpong will anchor the midfield.

The bench is packed full of Reserve team talent. Second string skipper Ignasi Miquel starts the game, but with Sébastien Squillaci still missing, Daniel Boateng is included. Miyaichi, Nico Yennaris, Chuks Aneke, Oğuzhan Özyakup, Sanchez Watt and goalkeeper Emi Martínez make up a list of exciting replacements.

The action gets underway at 7.45pm.

Fabianski
Jenkinson-Djourou-Miguel-Gibbs
Chamberlain-Frimpong-Coquelin-Benayoun
Chamakh-Park

http://younggunsblog.co.uk/2011/09/team-ne...p-philosophies/?
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post Sep 20 2011, 02:22 PM

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why must djourou play?he is very uncapable
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post Sep 20 2011, 02:36 PM

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i said already, last season, the season before and this season i also lazy to say liao. the root of the problem is arsene wenger
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post Sep 20 2011, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(vandetta_10 @ Sep 20 2011, 03:22 PM)
why must djourou play?he is very uncapable
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At least AW giving him a match for him to pay back his mistakes in the previous game maybe? One last last chance considering he did quite well last season.
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post Sep 20 2011, 02:42 PM

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i rather Squillaci play instead of djourou! too bad...
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post Sep 20 2011, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(Walaoeh! @ Sep 20 2011, 03:42 PM)
i rather Squillaci play instead of djourou! too bad...
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Although it's not right to compare player abilities, but that's a wrong decision there bro playing Squid than JD

This post has been edited by arsengal: Sep 20 2011, 03:02 PM
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post Sep 20 2011, 03:30 PM

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It's played tomorrow at 2.45am for Malaysia time right?
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post Sep 20 2011, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(bone_me @ Sep 20 2011, 02:36 PM)
i said already, last season, the season before and this season i also lazy to say liao. the root of the problem is arsene wenger
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I also been saying this many times, AW has to leave the club. Lazy to say it anymore

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post Sep 20 2011, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(bone_me @ Sep 20 2011, 02:36 PM)
i said already, last season, the season before and this season i also lazy to say liao. the root of the problem is arsene wenger
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post Sep 20 2011, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(Walaoeh! @ Sep 20 2011, 02:42 PM)
i rather Squillaci play instead of djourou! too bad...
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ohz... Squillaci is preferable?...
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post Sep 20 2011, 03:41 PM

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lol...................., i didn't noe we have an echo in this thread.


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post Sep 20 2011, 03:54 PM

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Aint sure man. But I felt AW should put Miqual instead of Djourou on the bench for any EPL game.
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post Sep 20 2011, 03:58 PM

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eh.. last season Djourou was brilliant toward the end of the season.. so many people praised him somemore...

only 2 matches.. he become scapegoat liao...

if TV5 and JD20.. it will works.. or TV5 and LK6 also can.. just that JD and LK cant play together cos both of them dun know how to organise defend line...
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post Sep 20 2011, 04:00 PM

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our defence calamity has been there for a long time now.

in fact i believe that our back line starts to deteriorates not long after the invincible season.
gallas+toure was mediocre at best. our left back(clichy) is weak too.
that is worse when we never have a decent goalie for a long period after seaman and a bumpy maddie jens.

hope to see vermaeleen+per flourish in commanding the line. smile.gif
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post Sep 20 2011, 04:53 PM

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I'm also lazy to post points to gain everyone's support.

Here is a good write, hope you guys can spend some time reading:

http://www.thegunninghawk.com/2011/09/20/w...e-got-it-wrong/

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Those of you that read my articles here on The Gunning Hawk, or follow me on twitter (shameless plug: @JjeffPatterson), know by now that I am never shy about leveling criticism when I believe criticism is due. Our football club has given me a never-ending supply of these topics since I began my daily segment back in June.

When I read through the comments left on this blog and others, the call that has been getting ever louder over the past few years has been for Arsene Wenger to leave. People who want to seem him leave don’t seem to mind if he’s fired, resigns, or has the locks at Emirates changed behind his back, they just want him gone, sooner the better. Many people have worried that giving Wenger a full season will lead to relegation.

I’m here, right now, to tell you how wrong you are.

Firstly, this isn’t an “Arsene Knows Best” piece. More precisely, it’s a “Nobody knows better at the moment, so why not Arsene,” piece. If you think the way to turn this ship around is to behead the captain, and hold it aloft as a trophy, you have lost the plot every bit as much as you claim our manager has.

The biggest reason that Arsene deserves to stay for this season is simple: His players still believe in him, wholeheartedly. They want to play for this man, and they want to vindicate him. They don’t want to be the squad that lets the legendary Arsene Wenger down, and that is something that will motivate them when all else fails.


Think about it. This is a time when it would be so easy to speak out against Wenger, to get caught up in the maelstrom of criticism being levied at the manager. But there is not one Gunner, current or former, who believes Arsene should be fired. They may question his methods, but never question whether he is the right man for the job.

This summer has been a hell for Gooners, it has been a hell for the manager as well. The manager was adamant that the club keep it’s stars, and it’s easy now to see why.

Arsenal appear to be a very mediocre side without Cesc Fabregas, lacking organization both in attack and in defense. It’s clear now just how much of a general he was in the middle, because we have yet to find any sense of order in the midfield since his departure.

My personal instinct tells me that Arsene is a company man, who has not been adequately supported by his bosses. Hearing him say he is accustomed to hell on earth, so going to hell in death will be no problem for him, shows me a man who is tired of being the fall-guy for an organization that is asking him to do things which are impossible.

Being able to compete with the Chelsea’s of the world on a shoestring budget and a youth policy was an ambitious and laudable ideal, it truly was. It doesn’t seem realistic when these rich clubs are popping up over night.

It’s one thing when there are 4 or 5 clubs in the world spending this way, as it was when the Youth Project was conceived, but now its 8 or 9 clubs, and surely there are more on the way. It’s a much more difficult proposition when the Manchester City’s of the world are filling their squad with the “Noah’s Ark” mentality (2 star players for every position).

Arsenal lost out this summer on Juan Mata, Phil Jones, and quite possibly several other big names that will never be confirmed. Heads need to roll, for the way this summer went, and I believe it starts higher up than Wenger. I don’t feel like getting into a naming game, but the people who have asked Arsene Wenger to stay competitive year after year, while also asking him to weaken his squad year after year, are the ones Gooners should be angry at, not the man who’s done his best to hold it together.

But he can’t do it alone. Right now there is a call, from pretty much every corner of Gooner Nation, for a defensive coach to be brought in, and it should be done without hesitation. The players themselves are asking for a defensive coach to be brought in, personally, I’d love for Martin Keown to return. Our defending has been abysmal, really for a couple seasons now, and the one big criticism I have for Arsene is that he hasn’t brought anyone in sooner.

Unfortunately, I also think there needs to be a shakeup in his coaching staff. The majority of Arsene’s staff has spent more than a decade in his service, thats far too long to be without fresh influence from the outside.

Basically, there is no one behind the scenes telling Arsene what we are screaming at our televisions each matchday. That must be fixed as soon as possible. The landscape of world football is changing quickly these days, and the clubs that are successful are the ones who adapt the quickest. Arsenal are stuck in the past, and it’s killing us.

To conclude, I believe that Wenger should have this season, the chance to right the ship. He CAN do it. If this season ends up as the disaster so many are now expecting, Arsene can safely be removed then, because this club will be in for a Liverpool-esque shakeup.

Those of you who feel Wenger should be fired immediately would be wise to remember that different doesn’t always mean better, and a change in manager to fix the squad can easily have the exact opposite effect, leaving the club much worse off than they were in the first place.

As I said in the beginning, it’s not a matter of Arsene knowing best, it’s just that right now, there is no one who knows any better.


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post Sep 20 2011, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(kimhoong @ Sep 20 2011, 04:53 PM)
I'm also lazy to post points to gain everyone's support.

Here is a good write, hope you guys can spend some time reading:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


yup good article to read up.... AW is still the man for the job but he just need to psyche up the mentality of the squad coz the players still believe in him
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QUOTE(rosicky_return @ Sep 20 2011, 03:58 PM)
eh.. last season Djourou was brilliant toward the end of the season.. so many people praised him somemore...

only 2 matches.. he become scapegoat liao...

if TV5 and JD20.. it will works.. or TV5 and LK6 also can.. just that JD and LK cant play together cos both of them dun know how to organise defend line...
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Got the same feeling.
But when you already at Arsenal for 7 years (IINM) and you still repeating the same old mistakes, it only make you like a clown.
Take for example Eboue.
He is freaking awesome when at RB during his early years until Sagna arrived. He then become fans scapegoat but he works hard till fans acknowledge him back.

JD20 needs to work back to earn our trust. At least he can starts from Carling Cup. Till then I still think he is a clown on the field.

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