Apr 29 2012, 06:19 PM
QUOTE(pokwang @ Apr 29 2012, 05:53 PM)
No, I mean where are those people you claim said that Chelsea did not park the bus against Barca. As far as I can see, nobody (Chelsea supporters or otherwise) said what you claim they said - that Chelsea didn't park the bus. Perhaps you can point me in the right direction?
BTW, since you didn't answer me last time, I'll ask again. According to you, did Chelsea park the bus in the 1st leg at SB, since they maintained the 4-5-1 formation throughout that match? If yes, are you suggesting that a 4-5-1 formation is parking the bus?
BTW, since you didn't answer me last time, I'll ask again. According to you, did Chelsea park the bus in the 1st leg at SB, since they maintained the 4-5-1 formation throughout that match? If yes, are you suggesting that a 4-5-1 formation is parking the bus?
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What is the point of this park the bus vs defensive tactic argument? What are you guys trying to achieve?
IMO park-the-bus is just another term of defensive tactic, it just carries more derogative term. That's why the term is a bit sensitive towards fans of clubs who employ the tactic, but ultimately there are more or less the same. Oh, there is also positive term for ultra-defensive tactic being coined around too nowadays. Remember the word 'pragmatic'? All these are just word play la.
It is certainly not about formation. For me, no matter if they employ 10-0-0, 4-6-0 or 4-5-1, as long as their system is set up just to stop opponents from playing, that can be considered ultra defensive, or bus/titanic/airbus parking tactics. Hence that was exactly what Chelsea employed.
Cant you guys just agree with that? That Chelsea was on the pitch just to stop Barca from playing? That they were ultra defensive? That they were being pragmatic? That they have the moon to be their GK?
Like neohardcore said, no matter what we say, in the end Chelsea won. So why bother arguing?
Finally people need to stop with this definition thing la. I've seen many such discussion here in Football Lounge. Definition of this and that la. Criteria on how to determine batter manager/player la. People need to understand that the criteria being put up are also OPINIONS i.e however correct that opinion may look, it is still an opinion, hence it can be both correct and false, until some empirical study is done on the issue. People need to accept that people have different opinions. Respect it, if you don't want to accept it!
IMO park-the-bus is just another term of defensive tactic, it just carries more derogative term. That's why the term is a bit sensitive towards fans of clubs who employ the tactic, but ultimately there are more or less the same. Oh, there is also positive term for ultra-defensive tactic being coined around too nowadays. Remember the word 'pragmatic'? All these are just word play la.
It is certainly not about formation. For me, no matter if they employ 10-0-0, 4-6-0 or 4-5-1, as long as their system is set up just to stop opponents from playing, that can be considered ultra defensive, or bus/titanic/airbus parking tactics. Hence that was exactly what Chelsea employed.
Cant you guys just agree with that? That Chelsea was on the pitch just to stop Barca from playing? That they were ultra defensive? That they were being pragmatic? That they have the moon to be their GK?
Like neohardcore said, no matter what we say, in the end Chelsea won. So why bother arguing?
Finally people need to stop with this definition thing la. I've seen many such discussion here in Football Lounge. Definition of this and that la. Criteria on how to determine batter manager/player la. People need to understand that the criteria being put up are also OPINIONS i.e however correct that opinion may look, it is still an opinion, hence it can be both correct and false, until some empirical study is done on the issue. People need to accept that people have different opinions. Respect it, if you don't want to accept it!
i quote matyrs statement here.. n my thought is similar as him. if u ask me whether 4-5-1 formation is parking d bus, i'll say it subjective. how the team applying it during the match. the formation is ultra defensive no doubt, n the team playin that formation can choose to defend and counter, or just defend. judging on how chelsea was playin during the first leg, sorry to say n no offense, i dont c chelsea trying to attack at all, rather hoping for a mere luck n chance to counter attack. that is why chelsea stat is 1 shot on goal, n also a goal. so based on that i define it as parking the bus.. coz all the tym chelsea wat chelsea did was defending.. but honestly there r no specific definition for the term ''parking the bus''.
to make thing simple, u can compare how real madrid playin defence and counter wit chelsea.. madrid defend incredibly but when they counter, u can c even their backs r going up to support. but chelsea, no, they did do that, only 1-2 players going forward others remain firmly at the back.
lastly i wana say, was all this even matter? whats wrong for me or others that think chelsea did park d bus. it is subjective to everyone n how the want to put it. frankly i hate the way chelsea played against us.. i wishes for more open game.. but the strategy works for chelsea n they won. so just ignored wat we think bout chelsea formation, how they play, just go ahead n win the final.
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their fan mostly very anti barca.. btw im a bit concern bout this new season, seems all other teams in Europe power up kaw2... this year CL will be tough..
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