Was reading the newspaper when I came across this. 



Aww... Hell, how do you upload pictures from your pc?

Came across this on the newspaper.

PS: Thank you Duke.

I think you missed out a takeover and subsequent revamp of management. Plus I do not understand why he did not include a salary increase clause in his contract and chose to rely on the words of a management team lead by Mr and Mrs Epic Swindle.

In short, RM was promised something by a management that got replaced. New management does not feel obliged to fulfill old management's promise. RM did not protect himself with black and white. Agree to disagree. Adios. No ones fault except for RM's agent.

Liverpool fans are once again being criticised for living in the past. I disagree. If anything we know about our past which is more than I can say for the majority of Man Utd fans I know. Before I continue, I need to add that I've been a Liverpool fan for 22 years now and I am still guilty of reminiscing. I still talk about Shankly and how he laid the foundations for our great club turning us from 2nd division fodder to European champions. I still support the fight for justice on behalf of the families of the victims of Hillsborough as do former managers like Rafa Benitez who attended the last anniversary at Anfield, shedding a few tears in the process. I continue to read biographies of former legends like Phil Thompson and Tommy Smith. More recently, I still recall every second of Istanbul and how despite being 3-0 down at half-time to the mighty AC Milan, our fans never gave up and instead of sulking, they banded together to give us a haunting rendition of YNWA which sent shivers down the spine of Johan Cruyff and converted Maradona  into a Kopite. Yes, maybe we do live in the past but it's better than not knowing we have a past. How many Man Utd fans today even know about Busby or the Munich Air Disaster where the promising Duncan Edwards was lost?

I do not know where anyone got the idea that Liverpool fans are deluded into thinking we'll win the Premiership this season. Level headed fans like me know that the process will be a slow but steady one and challenging for the Premiership will be a bonus, not an expectation. King Kenny has not even been in charge for a whole season and Man Utd fans criticising his outburst after the Stoke game need to note that unlike a certain red nosed Scot, Kenny didn't pick on a specific referee which is why the FA didn't punish him. Also, he didn't just complain and whine. He spoke to our new owners before meeting with referees chief, Mike Riley to have a discussion over decisions that have gone against us over 4 games, not just one. He has also said in his interview that more dialogues between clubs and referees need to be encouraged. I find it hard for anyone to disagree. There are other positives like our massive new sponsorship deals with Standard Chartered and Warrior Sports, plans for a stadium expansion/relocation, commercial deals especially in Asia, an academy which is finally churning out fine players like Martin Kelly, John Flanagan, Jack Robinson and Jay Spearing, thanks to Rafa Benitez. Also, we're debt free now and although we've been accused of splurging, few note that we've recouped a huge chunk of what we've spent through the sale of players like Fernando Torres and Raul Meireles. Our nett spent this season is abour $30 million which is the amount most Premiership clubs spend. It may not happen in the next couple of seasons but happy days aren't too far away as John Henry and Fenway group have just started building a strong foundation on which we can build success on.

Finally, we may talk about our past but it is this past that defines why we are fans of Liverpool. Some may say that we are deluded for even daring to think that we'll match the mighty Man Utd. Well guess what, our faith is the weapon most feared by our enemies. The lyrics to our anthem, YNWA, tell us to have hope and to walk on in the face of adversity and even though we may be living in the shadow of our more illustrious rivals, it makes my support that much stronger. Man Utd fans sing about glory but what when the period of success stops? Liverpool fans are organised despite the lack of "glory". In Malaysia alone we have splinter groups like MyRAWK (Malaysian Red and White Kopites) based in the Klang Valley, Liverbird Supporters Club Malaysia down south and the official Malaysian branch of the SOS (Spirit of Shankly), not to mention the LSCM. Why did we even bother with all this? Having met fans from these groups I can tell you that it's because of our past and so be it if we are criticised for living in it. Shankly, Paisley, Fagan - these are names that we will continue to talk about. Hillsborough is a plight we'll continue to highlight until the truth is out and justice is done. Istanbul is an occasion we'll continue to mention because it has gone down in history as one of the greatest comebacks in sporting history. Forgive us for having a meaningful past.

Nice write up, Duke. IMHO, living in the past is different from reminiscing/cherishing the past. I agree the history defines what a club could become today, but is that all? Liverpool won 18 championships before the 90’s and where do they go after that. Most people here keep talking about the past like a gazillion of time, until it becoming like a comfort pillow for them when thing not going the way it should. Rafa brought Liverpool to 2nd place, but how did Liverpool fare the season after? There’s nothing wrong reminiscing about the past especially incident like the Hillsborough incident because it’s different. Different because it involved lives, different because it’s a tragedy. Man Utd still mourning the lost the Busby Babes.

When you said you still recall every second of Istanbul, it’s normal. Same goes for me when we played Munich at Nou Camp, but many people here keep talking about it on and on and on as though it just happened yesterday. It was rewinded time after time until it became plain, nothing but just a plain talk. Another example is, when Liverpool beat us 4-1. Everytime when there’s argument, the same point being talk about. 18-5? Every freaking season when Man Utd won the league, the answer to that from Liverpool fan is 18-5? And it stops when we won the 19. Where do you go from there?

Past is something you should not forget, but it is not something that you should cling to. No offence, but I see a lot of forumer here tend to do the former. Good write up, keep it up and I hope my replies do not invite any flames here.

this is the article that Duke replied

Liverpool fans need to stop living on past glories
http://football.thestar.com.my/story.asp?f...football_latest

But some of our fans comments dont help either.''This year the kops will be champion''  etc but i would like to think that the majority of liverpool fans are intelligent and realistic in aiming for top 4 not the league title.As for manchester utd fans post on the star,try to talk some sense and stop embarassing the genuine fans of your club.

Anyway liverpool wishes all of us Happy Malaysia Day 

http://www.facebook.com/LiverpoolFC

I love how kenny cant help himself and has to take part in training

DukeRed,

I have no words to describe how grateful and happy i am for all your love and passion towards Liverpool, your comments , especially the reply for The Star article. The same i have and each and every year, i believe we could do something better and if that has failed, at least i take the positive facts for the season and move on.

To simplify, current season, target has to be Champions League football. It doesn't matter to me who wins the title. The best team always does that..

Thank You Rotuham 

ya im new here and just trying to get my bearings on this forum lol
ive been a big liverpool fan since i was a baby 

also i live in a small city in the UK called Liverpool
maybe you`ve heard of it? 

i hope to stick around here as it looks like a very good site.

all the best NJ

@Duke Red cheers Bud.

im not from malasyia  but please dont hold that against me 
i was born in a very very small island in the mediterranean sea called malta
but lived in liverpool most of my life 

is that your tattoo? bloody nice one dude.

we shall easy beat spurs i reckon 2-1 to the red men

its good see some cool fans from across the sea`s in malasyia - respect   from liverpool

8 of us Liverpool fans  kept singing YNWA in the last 10 minutes( even though half of them don't even know the full song ) in a bistro full with Manu fans. YNWA!!!

I hear calls for gerrard getting louder and louder.Hmmm,whatever happened to selling him if a right price comes?

I just received a text message from a fellow Reds fan who said "Bro, im officially joining City's fan club from now on".
What a mo*on, traitor, betrayer! Useless piece of twat!

This loss was embarrassing and painful but we'll just have to keep marching on.

''Remember the pledge by Shanks.

Always support the team, no matter how bad they are playing.
If the team is doing badly, cheer even louder as they need your support more.

If a player is struggling, sing his name louder and more often as he needs it.

If the opposition are the better side and perform well, appreciate it and
give them the credit they are due. ''

At the end, the fans sang the YNWA anthem totally changed my whole impression of the defeat.

We lost because the refree was clever to "Kill" our game with 6 Yellow cards in the first half. this is the work of the bookies in my opinion. i believe nobody will believe this but "buying" the refree is the best way to dictate the flow of the game. Taking off Adam is the best way to cripple us, wat more about Skrtel which is the only player tat can stop their strong wingers. Some of the yellow can be just be a caution. Anyway, this is an eye opener for Steve Clark and KD to tidy things up b4 we meet MU and Chelsea.
Lets move on to the next game and FEEL THE TROLL.