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 Buying Gold As Investment V3 - $1950?, Gold rush brings windfalls and warnings

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post Sep 19 2011, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(trencher10 @ Sep 19 2011, 05:26 PM)
You know, I wonder why we can't use gold as capital for investment in general market devices, WITHOUT converting it to fiat currency.
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Because gold is never a medium of trade/exchange.

When you go to restaurant to eat, can you pay with 1g or 2g of gold?
Can be pay with 1kg of gold when you buy a house time?
When you make credit card payment time, can you say to the bank, I pay with 10 g of gold?
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post Sep 19 2011, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(trencher10 @ Sep 19 2011, 05:46 PM)
Ay, there's the rub!
Why can't I pay someone with a unit of exchange that does not lose its intrinsic value?
Modern fungibility and divisibility be a curse!
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Gold doesn't lose its intrinsic value?
Gold doesn't have a value at all.

Its value is based on fiat money system, aka how much you will pay to own the gold.
Ain't you see gold price now is USD18xx or 1900?
Its value is coming from or based on fiat money. whistling.gif

You can lose money with gold as well.
Last time 1kg of gold can buy you a bungalow.
Now 1kg of gold is not even enough to buy you medium 1000 sqft apartment.
Tell me how it is not losing "value"?

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post Sep 19 2011, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(getsmart @ Sep 19 2011, 09:56 PM)
I'm just guessing here, not a financial expert.
I think the reason is because we cannot create more gold but we can create more houses, cars, grow more food.
Imagine there is only 1oz of gold in the world which can buy 1 chicken ... then the chicken become 2 chicken.
So now 1oz of gold can buy 2 chicken is it?
Fiat currency or gold is good as long as it increases at the same rate of growth.
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You get hit the nail on its head, why gold cannot be used as medium of trade/exchange.
That's why gold was ditched as medium of exchange.

If there is 1oz gold, which can buy 1 chicken.
Now you grow another chicken, there is no more gold, nobody can buy from you, you cannot make a sales, except 1 chicken.
So you grow 10 chicken also no use, nobody has the gold to buy.

If later on, 1oz of gold can buy 2 chicken, why I want to grow 2 chicken in the first place, I better of with 1 chicken, I get the same amount of gold.

If my 1oz of gold can buy 2 chicken tomorrow, why I buy today? I wait for tomorrow that I can buy 2 chicken.
Wait, another day I may able to buy 3 chicken, I delay further.
No chicken is sold in the process.
Economy died down.
You hinder the growth, due to scarcity of gold.

Fiat currency is good if central banks are prudent enough to control the inflation and control the money supply according to the needs of economy.
As long as there is self-discipline on money supply, it serve good to all.
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post Sep 19 2011, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(spikyz @ Sep 19 2011, 10:08 PM)
there always silver bro. wink.gif

any they making a smaller denomination of silver nowdays. even 5gram of silver bar is available in malaysia
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So try out restaurant or supermarket, see they accept or not... tongue.gif
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post Oct 6 2011, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(hongchai888 @ Oct 6 2011, 04:35 PM)
My fren work as finance consultant told me the gold price will fall below 1300 latest by tomorrow, which I dun give a damn by seeing the market now.
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Gold price will fall below 1300, by tomorrow?
You friend really is CONsultant? biggrin.gif
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post Oct 7 2011, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(hongchai888 @ Oct 6 2011, 04:35 PM)
My fren work as finance consultant told me the gold price will fall below 1300 latest by tomorrow, which I dun give a damn by seeing the market now.
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The "tomorrow" due today,
where is the 1300 as predicted by the CONsultant? yawn.gif

Many people here wait 1300 until neck also long already. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 10 2011, 03:40 PM

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Please do not post non-related issue to gold discussion.
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post Oct 22 2011, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(GoldChan @ Oct 21 2011, 05:40 PM)
from all my reading, until 2001 we are starting to run out of oil.
In the period prior to 2001, there are still plenty of oil, so you can focus on growth such as property , stocks, etc.
Economy need oil to grow. period.

No more oil then economy grow will slow down. The only way is to print $$ to support the economy, to keep politician elected, to keep things going until suddenly everything collapse. As long as they print $, gold will go up. Up to maybe USD5000/oz. in 2014-2015
everything sucks, stock, property, etc. Even precious metal sucks especially if you have brought at USD49/oz or USD1900/oz for gold

For gold to go down,
a) some of the printed $$$ must disappeared quickly. To do that while having your government elected etc is almost impossible.
so inflate or die.


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Economy slowdown is not because lack of oil.
Economy slowdown is because people are spending beyond their meant last time, now payback time.
There are enough oil around to support the economy.
We don't face any shortage of oil even during oil peak around USD150.
There are enough untapped oil for the rest 40-50 years without much problem, just how oil price dictated whether people interested to dig out those untapped marginal oil field, deep sea one.

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Economy slowdown is not because lack of money around.
Economy slowdown is because people have no confidence to put the money into work.
Trillions of cash are sitting at sideline, in bank account that yield zero interest.
Even Apple alone has 70+ billion cash reserves, and many other big corporate has significant cash level, even locally, most well run company has ample of cash level generally.

Print money is to push the economy going, but corporate only willing to expand if they have confidence about the future growth.
And confidence cannot be built instantly through money printing.
Money printing inflated price and pushing hard on those idle cash to do something, in theory go to buy asset, investment, or expand the business due to cheap funding, but we have the result, corporate still want to have cash sitting idle due to previous fear of 2008 crisis.

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post Oct 24 2011, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(FrancescoTop8 @ Oct 24 2011, 06:07 PM)
Yes.
Gold used to regards as safe haven besides USD and Swiss Franc.

But suddenly investor regard it as a risky asset.
Perhaps due to very high allocation in ETF/paper gold.
In ETF investor can easily bought and sold the gold easily.Its like stock.
And as the nature of stock which is very volatile, the same goes to gold.
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Gold is over-crowded and fill with lot of short term trader, speculator, ETF, and many treat it like a stock now.
See how people everyday eager to know what is the price of today, as same as people look at stock price.


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post Oct 25 2011, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(Moshpit @ Oct 25 2011, 09:20 AM)
Actually, central bank in the world are the big buyers for gold. If US keep printing more money, the price of gold will increase. This central bank are now slowly selling off their USD currency for gold.
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There is no new QE at the moment.
Unless we see QE3, then yes, every hard asset price will sky-rocketing again.

Gold is not a consumable item, gold amount in the market will become more and more only.
So central banks buying using USD while on the other hand gold mining keep on supplying, as long as there is balance in between, price won't go too far.

Gold price is dictated by fear, inflation expectation, and money that willing to park in gold.

Gold price highly will increase over the long term, but whether the increase will able to offset other asset class, and give decent return, still rather unknown.

We had loss decade of 20+ years for gold as well.
We had booming and magnificent run from 2005 until now.
So future will be how, still rather unknown.

It depends on how economy situation unfolding.
If economy recover well, and central banks around the world start to raise back interest rate and suck back in the liquidity, gold price may not perform well.
If economy still troublesome, which lead to central banks opt for QE, then we may see another round of upside.

Whether central banks buying or not, is not a big issue on this, it is economy situation, liquidity and general investment community expectation on it.

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post Oct 27 2011, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(potenza10 @ Oct 27 2011, 04:07 PM)
Gold is a long term investment..and u can consider it like an insurance to ur monies.value of monies will drop from time to time due to inflation but not for gold.its a real protector.so, keep it as long as u can.just withdraw for your profit when the price is right, meanwhile hold ur capital.
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Gold doesn't must insure you against inflation.
In fact, for the past 30 years, it showed low correlatiom hedging against inflation.

We had period of gold price stagnant for 20 years and inflation has been double, triple or more exactly price has escalating more than 5x, 10x in the past 20 years, while gold price was little change throughout the 20 years period.
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post Nov 12 2011, 01:47 PM

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Please open a V4 for further gold related discussion.

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