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divine061
post Nov 12 2013, 07:56 AM

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What is wrong with higher tax bracket? It just means you are getting more income, and I'll always welcome more income and pay more tax any day. Furthermore, there are so many ways to legally reduce tax and it is not uncommon to reduce it by 60%-70%.
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post Nov 12 2013, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Nov 12 2013, 09:26 AM)
BS. Income has nothing to do with taxes. Its purely a function of supply and demand unless yr on min wage. Im surprised someone like u fail to get something simple like that yet aspire/is working for ib. To put it simply to u so u can understand, an investment banker in SG will earn ALOT more than an ibanker in aus simply bcoz SG has a demand for these ppl as a financial hub.
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ib = investment banker? Me? When did I mention I am/was/will be one? What does demand for a specific job have to do with personal income taxes anyway.


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post Nov 12 2013, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Nov 12 2013, 09:52 AM)
The more the demand the less the supply = the more the pay. The inverse holds true too. Its simple basic economics!
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That is a different topic. Complaints about high taxes and complaints about pay scale in different country, and you can continue arguing about cost of living here as well...

What I was referring to was just working in Australia. If you decide to work here, why complain about paying more taxes, the more tax you pay, it just means the higher income group you are in. Tax is already part of the package of working here, so view it as a whole and make your choice whether you want to work here based on the whole package and stop complaining about it.

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post Nov 14 2013, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Nov 13 2013, 10:01 PM)
Hey, try Redfern in Sydney.
Real interesting neighbourhood
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Redfern went through gentrification for a while and it is not as bad as it used to be anymore.

Penrith is too far. Don't go Hurstville, there are only Chinese there. Come to Northern Beaches where I live tongue.gif
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post Nov 14 2013, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(naleh33 @ Nov 14 2013, 10:54 AM)
Though Penrith is far, that area is quite nice. They have a big WestField shopping mall there and the house price is still quite affordable and there is a train station which you can take to CBD anytime. If you buy your first house, you may even entitled for regional relocation grant.
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So you said it, it is a different and remote town biggrin.gif

Lane Cove is great, for IT, Lane Cove / Ryde are rather central to anywhere you work.
GreenJellyBean: What area you working in IT?
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post Nov 14 2013, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(GreenJellyBean @ Nov 14 2013, 01:44 PM)
Please guide me, yoda.

Haha, but I do not see the point to go in group. Got group discount meh tongue.gif The less who knows, the better  laugh.gif
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It is not safe there if you are alone. Get one punch and you can be dead. Software developer will be really really hard. Not my field, but good luck.
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post Nov 14 2013, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(GreenJellyBean @ Nov 14 2013, 02:01 PM)
why would anyone punch me? unless I refuse to pay after patronizing LOL.

Well, lets hope I get lucky on the job hunt
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post Dec 3 2013, 07:44 AM

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QUOTE(robertchoo @ Dec 2 2013, 05:41 PM)
Again i don't know what you mean by boring. I don't find living in a farm outskirts of major towns in australia as interesting at all. I've lived in a huge house where i have to drive 10 min just to buy groceries and its quiet and dark as hell at 8.00pm with barely anyone.

Btw  it is much easier to save the money need for downpayment on a sgd 300k hdb in sg as compared to aud 300k house in aussie due to lower taxes and lower cost of living
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I live in the suburb 20-30 minutes away from the city, but the supermarket right next door closes at 10pm. There are 5 supermarket within my 1 km radius that closes between 10 to 12am and tons of restaurants that closes late as well. Like a couple of them just right opposite my place which we visit after 9 all the time. 8pm? You might still see people queuing to get food sometimes, how is that quiet?


QUOTE(frontierzone @ Dec 2 2013, 10:22 PM)
We have topics that discuss jobs in Singapore and Australia actively, so I take that these are the top 2 career destinations out of the country for Malaysia. In terms of Australia, as mentioned it is a hot spot, but what about New Zealand? We aren't getting much talks about New Zealand when it's relatively close to Australia as well. What makes Australia preferred than NZ?
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A lot less in opportunities and wages. NZ is good for travelling, much harder to survive if you wanna work there. A lot of people come from NZ to get work cause they can't find it there. Not that bad if you like it there and manage to get a job, not for me though. Sydney is more similar to KL and it is not cold here at all.
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post Dec 8 2013, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Dec 7 2013, 08:58 PM)
Architecture consider not bad. I suggest you can work as freelance in drafting drawing for council approval ex. house design.
Many architect dun wanna work in the firm and work as freelance here for time freedom. Each council drawing approval cost $1.5-2k. Just like 5-8 piece drawing only, if 10 house u design for 10 client, not bad for a freelance earner.
Now, they're really high demand in this area.
If you wish to come, suggest you apply for PR since architecture profession still in SOL list.
Apply thru sub-class 189 or 190
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You sure? There are really lack of originality in most of the houses here. They are mostly project houses with standard design which doesn't need architectural design. From what I heard, architecture is low paying and struggling, that is probably why they goes for freelance as they can't secure a permanent job. My view is from an outsiders view though.



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post Dec 9 2013, 06:55 AM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Dec 8 2013, 05:00 PM)
Most of my friends in Melbourne are Architects and I have to agree that the pay is very low compare to other professional jobs but it also depends which company you working with. They mostly deal with high rise building and apartments and not really into landed house.
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Yes, high rise building, which means they are employed and associated with larger companies. My previous reply was towards the lack of chances here in Australia if you wants to go freelancing, which I believe your argument supported too.

And naleh33, as I did mentioned, property booming and architectural work are totally different. Properties that change hand are second / third hand properties. Even if they buy it to knock down and rebuild, most people goes for project homes with standard design which does not require an architect. Even with customization, they are minimal that just require a draft man.

The pay is probably average/on-par compared to other professionals here locally, but low in the sense that, I would think in Malaysia, architect commands a higher then average salary locally. That being said, if you manage to find a job, it is still all good.

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post Dec 9 2013, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Dec 9 2013, 09:48 AM)
You're right. Architect here doesn't earn much coz they're living in a damn kampung place and dun wanna go for big city! Draughtmen here earning better than architect.
I saw architect like chiplak here, always bullied by supervisor. Some can't stand the pressure, so work freelance lor.
Those house design you're saying are those big company using copy and paste design to sell and build. very dull design but better than KL which majority house are uniform.
What i'm saying here is the private client who wish to build their own house at their own land. These ppl dun like the unifrom design out there. You get wat i mean?
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I understand what you meant. And I am just saying that in my knowledge, the demand for architect built houses are very very little. Almost all people goes for the templated design.

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post Dec 17 2013, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(kazarboys @ Dec 17 2013, 09:35 AM)
what is the average rental per week(just want to rent a room or getting the whole apartment or house is cheaper)?
how much will it cost if i were to use public transport(per day)?
Any advise on the tax, not very sure about the tax i need pay?
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Varies and the range is huge. Like in the inner city, there are places that 8 people cram in a 2 bedroom apartment. For just yourself, you can get $400 per week on a decent location and condition, and newer ones even in the suburb can be $500 - $600 for 1 bedroom. Or if you just want a room, it shouldn't be too hard to get one for $200-$300, almost half that if you share.
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post Dec 17 2013, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(kazarboys @ Dec 17 2013, 09:51 AM)
Did not expect the rental was that high to rent a room. since 200 -300 a week which mean 800 - 1200 a month just for rental and what about transportation (using bus) what the rate?
So say suppose my salary is 50k per annum (haven deduct tax). will it be enough for me to survive there?
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Just yourself? Where are you working? Transportation is expensive too. For me, I don't see a point in spending time on travelling just to save on rental, but if you want, you can get place that is cheaper and travel an hour each way to work. Which is very common.

50k is definitely enough to survive. We eat out most of the days and spend less then that (as in less then 100k for two people). And we still shop often, go overseas etc....
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post Dec 17 2013, 11:12 AM

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PR is resident for tax purpose. What raw material? Food? Eating in and cooking doesn't really save us much, especially when there is a wife that buys a $200 cookware every couple of months. Vege and meat aren't that cheap either to start with.

There are people with single income and a family that survive for less then $50k. If it is just yourself, you'll be able to save and eventually get enough for a deposit on a house if you are disciplined enough. So, survive? Really? Don't think it will ever be that bad.
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post Mar 20 2014, 07:31 AM

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QUOTE(tishaban @ Mar 19 2014, 10:32 PM)
That's not answering my question. My question is more towards cost of living ie. how much do I need to maintain the same level in Australia vs. Malaysia. Some of the calculators on the internet show that cost of living in Sydney/Melbourne/Perth is double that of in an expensive part of KL. I've been to Sydney, Melbourne, Perth but only as a tourist over several weeks and those places are expensive.

I don't make RM300k but if we truly need double the salary to maintain the same standards then it does look pretty daunting...
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It is hard to compare, the average quality of living and life style in both countries are different. To some people, hiring a stay in maid is essential, so if you put it in that perspective, there is no way the quality of life is better in Australia.

Say if you are starting from absolutely zero, then maybe, if you are single, probably AU$60k is comparable to RM60k per year.

And to be honest, to me, living in KL is a lot more expensive then living in Sydney. It will be too long to describe, but you'll notice it if you stay in both places long enough.

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post Mar 20 2014, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Mar 20 2014, 02:53 PM)
Find that quite hard to believe as a student who lives in ACT after growing up in KL and has travelled to Melbourne and Sydney, and even Perth, Brisbane, and Gold Coast years ago.

Of course I don't live in Sydney so I might not have the full picture but feel free to elaborate.
When we talk about costs like these (and ignore FX rates) we also need to account for relative salary. It's much higher in Australia. In KL a grad might get 3,000 monthly if lucky (plenty of evidence on this forum that many get below that even in what's seen as high performing industries, and Jobstreet will confirm this), which translates to 36,000 pa. Let's ignore SOCSO, EPF, and taxes for now. A Sydney or Melbourne grad can easily get 60,000 pa, sometimes 80,000 pa. We're talking service industry and not working in mines or oil fields. You may want to account for maybe 25% taxes since the starting taxes for income above AUD 18k is around 17-20% if I remember correctly. Even then it's 45,000 to 60,000.

Now I can observe (anecdotal, not fact or statistics) there are plenty of things that cost the same nominal units of money in either country. A restaurant meal (MYR 30 or AUD 30). A suit jacket. A house or apartment unit (~500k).

Now the Australian salary starts at a much higher base. Assuming equal growth, equal performance, comparable economic conditions blah blah the Australian is gonna have a much higher pay in several years' time. Who is better off?

$7 sounds cheap for fast food. Is that location highly accessible, or is that price point common, or is the portion big enough, i.e. will many people be able to enjoy $7 meals too?

$20 for a proper shirt sounds like it's been discounted quite a bit and in KL you can also get 3-shirt or 2-shirt specials all year round for quite cheap, quality stuff. Where do you shop in Malaysia? We have some of the cheapest goods around the region and it attracts so many people from Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand.
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How do you find cloth in KL that is RM50 or less that is quality? Last time I went back, I only manage to find heavily discount cloths at that price, and the choice is only a handful. Most stuff are 100 or 150, and I do wonder how Malaysians can afford this when I won't want to spend that much.

But anyway, I never think one should decide to migrate here cause of money. Don't be expect to be be much better off or much worse off financially after you move here. There a lot of other factors that should matter more to you personally.


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post Apr 16 2014, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(elvenchou1987 @ Apr 16 2014, 09:27 AM)
Hi Guys,

Any network engineers working in Australia? Looking for a network engineer position in Australia with 3 years experience in Singapore. Already equipped with a valid working VISA in Australia and have been applying around for the past few months but without success.

Any tips or recomendations?

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Where you looking?
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post Apr 16 2014, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(elvenchou1987 @ Apr 16 2014, 10:44 AM)
Hello Divine,

Looking at Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Brisbane and even Perth.

Are you holding the position yourself or you are a headhunter?

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Where are you now? I might or might not be looking to fill a vacancy.


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post May 4 2014, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(Value-Price @ May 4 2014, 08:22 AM)
I graduated in 2012 and start working in 2013. Anyone in the engineering industry will tell you that is tough to get a job in 2012. If you google "engineering redundancy", there is a lot of big consulting companies making redundancy in 2012 and 2013 (post-mining boom). Number wise, out of 220 graduates, only 30+ managed to secured a job. Only 5 of them are international students.

In regards to economic prospect, Malaysia is certainly better than Australia (in Civil & Structural Engineering at least). The problem with Australia is people are being paid too much and their productivity & talent does not justified their paycheck. That is precisely why all the car manufacturer shut down their plant in Australia. There is no real economic output from Australia. The only thing that keep Australia afloat now is education and migrants bringing in money to Australia.

Due to high cost, many of the large consulting companies outsourced their work to their overseas office. My charge-out rate per hour is AUD 220. My colleague in Malaysia (graduated from G8 unis as well) have a charge out rate of RM 100 ringgit. This means that he is "6 times more cheaper than me". Hence, engineers in Australia nowadays seldom do the design work. They only do the client facing role and package the work to be sent overseas. Working in Australia hampers my technical development. You only do project management and simple technical calculations for small projects. All the big and interesting stuff was designed overseas. 20 years from now, Australia won't have a strong engineering workforce (*discount migrants from overseas).

As if why Malaysia or Asia collectively is better, I will reserve that for my next post. Running out of time, need to head out for dim sums with friends. TA.
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I concur with you that the job market had never been easy in Australia. and I understand your perspective and agree that from what you see, there are limited opportunities here in Australia.

Asian do focus on technical skills, but to me personally, I don't value it as much. Reason is as you stated, it is easily replaceable with cheaper labor elsewhere. If you are only comparing Australia and Malaysia, the things that really counts are innovation and research, which Australia is in front my miles. Though from the world standard, Australia is way behind many Asian country, Europe and US. Food for thought..



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QUOTE(thecontrails @ May 8 2014, 11:44 AM)
Hi, greeting to all, have read through the comments here, which are very useful, thanks.
Would like to seek opinion about working in Australia.
Currently working in Malaysia but got an offer as engineer in a quite sizable project management & consulting company in Australia. The job is related to my profession, gratefully. However, the position title offered is of course lower than what I am currently having, but it doesnt really matter, right? The question is, to take up the job or stay put...The salary is offered is not fantastic, but according to people I talked to, enough to survive with some saving. 
Would like to listen to opinion / view, what motivate you guys live in Australia? The more balancing life? Heard also about the life in Australia is not as rosy as thought. Not saying Malaysia is great, but one can still live comfortably here.
Should I take up the chance and give a try? Relocation is not really an issue for now as married with no kid yet. Besides, what will be the consequence if the working visa is processed but didnt go ahead to work in the end? If accept the offer, can the company take any action?
Dilemma, hope you guys can shield some lights...
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Come here work for a year, work and holiday, don't like it? Then go back. Ain't that easy? I don't see you could lose out financially or in experience, unless there are some other personal reasons.

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