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divine061
post Mar 14 2013, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(tatagal @ Mar 13 2013, 12:12 PM)
Annie Lee was right. It is quite hard to give one number that suits everyone. As some suburb is cheaper than another, and the cost of travel depends on distance from where you stay.

Here is the ballpark figure.
Rental including utilities: 1 room ($200/week); An apartment ($500/week)
Mobile line + Internet: $600/yr
Insurance (medical): $100/yr
Food + groceries: $30/day
Travel (Bus + Train): $1800/yr

Note: Just a ballpark figure for reference only.
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post Apr 16 2013, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(KTCY @ Apr 16 2013, 02:50 PM)
Thanks again. And yes Nurse is in SOL list smile.gif
I will see how it goes. For me, my degree and profession is not in SOL list. Thus putting me as primary might drag the application.

And from IMMI web, nurses get priority processing. Thus putting my gf as priority and me as de facto partner.
Anyway, we will taking IELTS together and see how it goes. smile.gif
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Me an my wife did it using one application and we did it ourselves. We got the marriage certificate signed early for the PR application, but I used 'living together as de facto' for over a year to fulfill the spouse condition in our application. We did live together and have the same address for credit card bills, and that is all we submitted. No problem with the application, got the visa in four months with no questions asked.

Both of us needed to take IELTS but only one of us have to do the skill check. But that was a couple of years back too, so your circumstances might be different. Save some money for the application fees and we got the visa at the same time, so less trouble there for us.

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post Jun 17 2013, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(segamatboy @ Jun 16 2013, 09:36 PM)
Nursing. A reality check. Nurses working in countries with public health care better watch out. In bad time, many will be laid off when gov't balance the book
Sure OZ is huge .But much of it is uninhabitable due to climate and water availibilty
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Nursing is still very in demand. It shouldn't be too hard to find a job as a nurse. But prepare to work really hard, physically demanding and long continuous hours.. which shouldn't be any new if you are already a nurse in Malaysia. Pay is not high though, I heard senior nurse (more than 10 years+?) are still earning slightly less than first year doctor.


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post Jun 21 2013, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(nxtpg @ Jun 21 2013, 02:09 PM)
so how much r u getting there?

at least have to be rm300k p.a to be comfortable over there rite?
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The only advice I would say is, don't come to Australia for the $. Nobody should be talking about $ without knowing the personal circumstances.

If your household income is AU$100k and you are sending 2 kids to private school which cost AU$30k each, how much do you have left after tax? Probably not enough to even pay your mortgage. If your household income is $150k, which is supposed to be the benchmark for being rich in Australia, considering limited investment for tax deduction and the need for after school child care, how much is there really left?



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post Jun 21 2013, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(annielee @ Jun 21 2013, 05:19 PM)
erm..why private school ? public school should be good enough here.. in AU, which is why you guys migrated here..
if you are in OZ sending kids to private school..then imo, it wont be much difference in KL sending your kids to private school teaching AU syllabus..

dont forget the more you earn here, the higher tax you have to pay.. so no point earning the higher range of salary if you are single..
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I would think you would understand seeing that you are already here. There was just an article like a month or so saying the enrollment to private have raised and there is like 40%-60% of people who do send their kids to private school. If you think you should send your kids to private school in Malaysia, then you should do the same in Australia, there is no reason to compromise and downgrade.

People here either move to an address with selected public school or enroll into private school. I would think that people who chose to migrate here are people who care about their kids education, and thus belong to this group too.



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post Jun 21 2013, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Jun 21 2013, 05:28 PM)
Visited their public school and did saw their facilities and services is superb. Government funding in education is a lot i guess.
Even daycare have so many info which is  resourceful regardless the childcare system and children's education.
Its more like private school in KL...
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Houses with an address that can get you into a good public school are 20% or even more expensive then an address right across the street that can't get you into that good school. So it is really either private school or more expensive address. Or is it just Sydney?

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post Jul 4 2013, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(annielee @ Jun 21 2013, 05:19 PM)
erm..why private school ? public school should be good enough here.. in AU, which is why you guys migrated here..
if you are in OZ sending kids to private school..then imo, it wont be much difference in KL sending your kids to private school teaching AU syllabus..

dont forget the more you earn here, the higher tax you have to pay.. so no point earning the higher range of salary if you are single..
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So today, I found a second example that happened this year where people moved for child's education. The first example was someone who sold their place, rented in a good school catchment area while planning for a purchase near the new place. The timing was really bad as Sydney's real estate market is rising rapidly this couple of months (more so for good school areas), and they had to increase the budget of the new purchase month to month.

The second example today was that they bought a place 40 minutes away from the city by train. You can't really drive to city even in weekend as the only road out to the city are always jam, so it will take up to 40-60 minutes to reach city by car. The property was more then 1 million. I can get something with similar building condition (and possibly lesser price too) which is 15-20 minutes to the city, provided it is not in a sort-after school area. The good side though, was that their land was really huge.

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post Jul 4 2013, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(divine061 @ Jun 21 2013, 07:14 PM)
I would think you would understand seeing that you are already here. There was just an article like a month or so saying the enrollment to private have raised and there is like 40%-60% of people who do send their kids to private school. If you think you should send your kids to private school in Malaysia, then you should do the same in Australia, there is no reason to compromise and downgrade.

People here either move to an address with selected public school or enroll into private school. I would think that people who chose to migrate here are people who care about their kids education, and thus belong to this group too.
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Last year there were 308,613 students enrolled in government secondary schools, compared with 310,558 the year before, a drop of about 1 per cent, the figures show.
The number of students enrolled in private secondary schools in NSW was 196,243 last year, up from 192,613 in 2011, a rise of about 2 per cent.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/b...l#ixzz2Y3Yaez1L



So that is about 38.8% enrolled to private school .. hopefully that can set the expectation of more people right about education here in Australia.
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post Jul 4 2013, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Jul 4 2013, 04:09 PM)
Why enrol to private school? Is public school not good enough there? Do please advise as i'm bringing my children there soon. hmm.gif
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I thought I answered that ... there are good and bad public school, in most cases, the good ones are surrounded by houses with really high prices. Do more research and choose carefully. And also, prepare earlier, start registering once they are eligible. If your child is already 4 or 5 years old, be prepared to be at the back of a very long waiting list.

Perth might be different though....
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post Jul 4 2013, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Jul 4 2013, 05:20 PM)
Sorry, coz i can't retrace your reply on this.
Well, thanks for your advise. Seems my daughter will be turning 5 next year and would try to squeeze her into the public school which has good reputation.
Oh boy, i tot this issue only exist in malaysia, but now we're facing the same here
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No worries, just have similar worst case scenario expectation as you would in Malaysia for everything. You will be fine.

Another option is to sacrifice yourself and expand your search parameter, look for places 1 hour away from your work place biggrin.gif ... very common in Sydney as I can count with more then 1 hand of people who stays at least 1.5 hour away from work, some 2 hours even. That is Sydney for you, Perth probably won't be as bad.


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post Jul 4 2013, 05:32 PM

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btw, check for after hours child care support too.... that is also not a given. And year one starts at 6 depending on the month your kid is born in.
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post Jul 4 2013, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Jul 4 2013, 05:34 PM)
Perth is the same. People still spend 1 hour on public transport to get to work in downtown. But the good thing is you can leave on time!
In KL, i've being really tired on this. Work like a cow pay in peanuts....damn! rclxub.gif
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Again, don't take this as a given..... Australia are one supposedly one of the western country with the longest working hour...

I do receive emails during weekend and in the middle of the night and many ppl work till 8-9 every day too... Not as common as Malaysia, but it is not as rare as you think.

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post Aug 13 2013, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 13 2013, 03:07 PM)
Hi guys, finally got job confirmed. Thank God it's on! Start work next monday. Got it less than 3 weeks. Pay is better than i expected.
Thank you guys who really give the courage and support. I owe u guys.
For people who is still applying a job, don't give up. Discipline urself like applying at least 5-10 jobs per day and call them after sending.
You're not far away
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That is great, congratulations.
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post Aug 14 2013, 09:34 AM

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It will be hard for you to get a loan with 3 month contract only, unless you have a huge deposit from Malaysia, you probably can leave it for now. Not a lot of people are using FHOG now that it is only limited to new building. New buildings here are very badly built and high risk of not completing and completed totally different from the initial spec.
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post Aug 14 2013, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 14 2013, 11:44 AM)
Well, i'm not on 3 mths contract and its permanent.
FHOG is limited to new building only when Labor Party continue to rule.
Yeap, some building were badly built due to workmanship they used. Some worker's bad mood or after quarreling with their wives, affecting their daily works...LOL
If u knew that, then u better don't buy it. Plenty of options out there.
If the builder delivered the house to u with different specs, don't accept it. Ask them to rectify and charge for liquidated ascertain damages. They'll compensate the lost.
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It is the lost of time that you can't get compensation over. Just don't have the mindset that Australia is supposed to be a developed country and everything is fair here, then you are fine. Remember to do your due diligence and be extra careful.

It is just that there are far too many cases of things turning bad here. And far too many people just put their trust on developer blindly. They just make the purchase, did the payment as requested, and only when it comes to completion date, then they went on site and realise they paid too early too much for the wrong thing and asked to wait another 12 months for completion.


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post Aug 14 2013, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Aug 14 2013, 03:49 PM)
Interviewer not even mentioned my age nor i don't mentioned to him either. Honestly they don't even ask me to let them glance my degree or certificate.
They just ask me wat i do back home, wat project i involvve, any kids or how long i'm here. The whole interview taking like 30mins?
They intro their company and the whole process seems i only talk 5 mins only. I actually dunno what am i doin there and sit there just listen.
Few days later, they call again for meeting up another boss. Talking with angmoh GM and also less than 15mins, come back home and sleeping at noon.
Another day later when i was sleeping at noon, they called saying confirm my employment. Start work monday, getting my biz card and uniform....(Uniform?!?)
I worked so many years never wear a uniform before in a construction company...LOL
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You must have a good resume. Probably an exact fit to the job requirement and they doesn't have many other candidate to consider smile.gif. The wage range could be one of the reason too tongue.gif . Fast forward a year from now, you will be in much much much better position with your here as well.


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post Aug 18 2013, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(Pete the great @ Aug 18 2013, 03:54 PM)
What about accountancy? Is it hard to find?

After 7 years and earning $70k is not exactly the dream job for a migrant who is IT grad. Rental already cost about 20k a year. And we haven't included tax, transport, food and others.
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$70k is not low, even with 10 years experience in IT, there are a lot of people getting such rate. It depends on the type of IT work and the role you are in though. It is like people getting rm3k - 4k after 10 years in IT in Malaysia, there are more of them out there that you think.

And if the family is on a dual-income with $70k each, you are already better off almost all people here.

The only thing is that when you migrate, you start of from the ground again. Like working in Malaysia and trying to get a property using that money, is really hard. And when you are comparing it to people that started at 22/23 yo here, you will feel that difference. But with the skills, experience and the correct attitude, you'll catch up pretty quickly though.

And really, I don't think you should change your lifestyle just because you moved here. If you have a decent job but became frugal only after you moved here, I would really question your reason on why you want to sacrifice that way.

As for me, I still eat out every day and shop when we need it cause I don't compromise on food and household items are here to stay, so why not pay more for quality, which is what I would do back home anyway. However, I drive a cheap car, but my car in Malaysia was even older and cheaper.

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post Aug 18 2013, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(Pete the great @ Aug 18 2013, 05:44 PM)
Its low considering that graduates in Australia start pay is 60k. Aiyah cannot compare to malaysia lah, in malaysia cost of living here is much lower. Yes cars in malaysia is expensive but food here is still comparably cheap. I have lived in cambodia, trust me, malaysia is still cheaper in terms of food and rental.

Yeah that is true. I have a PR but its like I am waiting for it to expire. I am wondering why do I have to go there and struggle to find job for half a year, if I am lucky I find a job that is not my vocation. What is the point for me? I know, people scold me because I don't try. But I wonder if its worth the risk because not one of the story of my friends who migrated there came out success.

I am not saying my job is decent, always got disatisfaction but going to Australia to work? After hearing the nightmare stories, I dunno.

But there are big sacrifices to make if I were to go...like I really miss the food here, the familiarity here, my family at most, my gf who refuse to follow.

I lived in Australia 10 years ago...but the Australia yesterday is no longer the Australia today. The whites are not so friendly anymore. There used to be a time when I sit down at a tram stop or a train station, some friendly Aussie would come by and strike a conversation with me about politics, economics, religion and life. No more, no more, I get very angry looks, as if telling me why are you here? to steal our jobs?
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Fresh grad does not get $60k, especially not for IT.
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post Nov 5 2013, 07:06 AM

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QUOTE(ladyhat @ Nov 4 2013, 11:18 PM)
Thanks for sharing your experience, I think you are definitely not too late to be there, congrats on the move, I am sure it's the best for the family too.
I too was giving myself many reasoning that my country is not bad after all, but when my children arrived, I have to stop hoping here but opening my eyes, taking my calculator to estimate where would all of us be say 15 years from now, and how much i can provide and how best I can provide by then, it surely not looking hopeful then. Anyway I will need to get my assessment done first, I guess being 40 my points will be lower, but will give it a try.
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I'm probably repeating myself, but I don't think people should migrate here because of their off spring. Just send them overseas when they are older, there are plenty of places in the world to choose from. Even if you move to Australia, your child will probably end up in UK or USA anyway, which is what is happening here now. And education here is not cheap, it could just be a "Sydney only" situation, but people who can afford it sends their kid to private school, and for any professional who migrates here because of your children's education, you should be in that group too. We just had a look on the school fees, year 1 cost 14k per annum and it gradually increases to 24k on year 12. That is excluding the fees for uniforms, out of school activities and stuff. And yes it is very common to send kids to after school tuition/classes too.

Think about yourself and what you want to achieve. What really makes you happy and strive for that. Your kids will be good if you spend enough time with them and being the role model to educate them. Australia or Malaysia, it is the same. And migrating at 40 years old is not uncommon, a lot of people does that. I personally won't do that unless I am in huge trouble in Malaysia, but I won't discourage you either. Reason being, I feel like earning MYR to support an AUD lifestyle is really hard. I did work in Malaysia for almost 5 years, and I am still playing catchup now after being here for 3 years. I am not really worse off then most people here, but I think I would have achieved more if I started in Australia instead of Malaysia, and I still want that to happen. 10 years of catching up will be too hard on me psychologically though.

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post Nov 6 2013, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(ladyhat @ Nov 5 2013, 02:07 PM)
What's the main difference between a public and a private school there? 14K to 24K per annum ain't cheap at all. That's something good to know.

I thought of just send them overseas when they finished high school too, that will be the story 15-18 years from now, then I calculate...with inflation factored, supporting a kid for 3 yrs including fees and living expenses in either UK, Oz or US then could be easily 1mil, 2 kids 2mils, haven't add in our own retiring plan... I don't think my current investment is going to support an easy sail through that and I only have most 20 yrs to work. One key reality is our currency is really not competitive, years of hard work to save 1mil could easily be used up like that because after converting it becomes one third.

I think most of us will need to spend some catching up years mainly because of ringgit dsadvantage, but you guys who landed earlier would have less to go, I regretted for not making my move earlier too, to go now when Oz doesn't look that promising today means more checks I need to weight in.
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Look into a suburb that you want to stay, look at the school ranking, check the waiting list to get into the school, look at the property price and you'll know the differences.

If you really want to move here, just do it asap. Even if it is just applying for PR and decide later, it doesn't really cost that much doing it yourself right? Or is it a lot more expensive now....


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