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 FD rates in Malaysia, Which bank offer the highest FD rates?

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wodenus
post Jun 23 2008, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 21 2008, 12:32 AM)
I want to ask if the foreign FD rate published in the following URL:

http://www.pbebank.com/en/en_content/perso.../fcfdrates.html

Especially 1-month to 3-month tenure, are they guaranteed? Will I lose my capital?
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It might be interesting to watch the spread (ie. the difference between the selling and buying price. Remember you don't buy and sell currency at the same price. Usually if you buy a currency and then sell it immediately, you will lose some money, because the bank will always buy from you at a lower price than they will sell to you. This is another thing you have to consider. If the difference between the selling and buying prices (the spread) is 3%, then a FCFD that offers 8% will actually net you 5% (that's if the currency doesn't move at all.)

Different banks have different spreads, so that might be worth considering as well. Also with FC FDs you might be forced to exit at a bad time, ask them about that as well.

In order for an FC FD to work well, you must have :

(1) low spreads

(2) automatic, commission-free rollover

Then it might be a good deal (ie. your only risk is currency fluctuation.)

This post has been edited by wodenus: Jun 24 2008, 11:03 AM
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post Jun 23 2008, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(ultraviolet @ Jun 23 2008, 04:34 PM)
Public Bank now offering 11.18% FD rate....

Term and Condition applied....

interested can contact me....
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Sorry but why contact you when I can contact PB directly ?

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post Jun 24 2008, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jun 24 2008, 10:58 AM)
@billytong,
iYah... and what kind of free gift is worth that kind of inconvenience?! biggrin.gif
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Yea indeed.. mostly they give out cheap trinkets. I've never seen a gift worthy of transfer yet.

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post Jun 24 2008, 03:01 PM

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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jun 24 2008, 11:13 AM)
@wodenus,
I didn't know banks gave out gifts for FD deposits [oK.. I do know, but those are for rather big amounts; Citibank & GPS] - speaking of which, U know anyone who wants to buy a GPS?! *grins*
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Not one from GPS Bay lol smile.gif Garmin is the king when it comes to GPS smile.gif they're not giving away Garmins or I would have switched for sure smile.gif

Also it's a gimmick, after one year your maps are not guaranteed to be accurate any more unless you subscribe smile.gif



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post Jun 24 2008, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jun 24 2008, 03:02 PM)
@wodenus,
I haven't decided if I should take the GPS.  Since the additional CitiGold account isn't under my name, I won't be able to qualify for the reward points instead *gulps*

Thought I should get the GPS and then sell it, even for RM300 also is $ mah tongue.gif
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Good point, but I think it only costs about 300 new smile.gif but yea if you want to make quick money smile.gif


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post Jun 25 2008, 09:32 PM

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Simple calculation, let's assume both currencies don't change value.

You put RM50,000 in an NZD FCD at 8.3% p.a for one month.

You buy NZD at Rm2.51 each, you get 19,920.81 NZD.

At the end of the month you sell 19,920 NZD at Rm2.42 each, you get Rm48,207.

You lose 50,000-48,207 = Rm1,793.

You gain (50,000*8.3%)/12 = Rm345.83

So at the end of the month, you still lose over Rm1400.

Simple conclusion : you don't make money, the bank does.

So the UOB one-month 8.3% p.a. deal is not a good one (unless of course you think that the currency is going to depreciate so much next month you'll actually end up making tons of money smile.gif )

Put another way, the bank will charge you 3.58% to convert the money to NZD. The only way you will make money is if you put it in for at least one year. The one year rate is 7.70%, so you will make 4.12% per year if the currency doesn't change.

One year no-risk FD is 3.7%, so you will only make an extra 0.42% if the exchange rate stays the same. It's up to you whether you want to accept the risk or not. Just realize that you're not making like 4-5% more if the currency rate doesn't change, you're just making 0.42% more.


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post Jun 25 2008, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 25 2008, 10:02 PM)
If you think RM will depreciate against the targettd currency in the future then foreign FD is the place to be, yes, quite correct. You hedge against RM risk but also you exposure to the risk of the targeted currency depreciation. So it works both way so net gain or loss depends on the currency movement.
Yes, that's why it is meant for long term, one only will see the real and net effect over the long term. Short term wise, it is not advisable unless RM does depreciate significantly in short term. But currency market seldom move that big in short period of time, long term, yes, it depends on the particular currency country economy. Like Euro has risen from 3.6 to now 5.1 against RM since Euro started, or AUD has risen from 2.7 to now 3.1 in less than 2-3 years time.

One thing, commission or spread is not as high as that (3.58%), one can get discount on the counter published rate, just like counter rate today form UOB is 2.5150 2.4340, so spread is 3.3%, but if you are investing RM 50K, it is quite norm and possible to get a rate like 2.5050 or something lower eventually below 3%.


UOB OTC (on-demand or OD) rate is 2.4240. I don't think they will give you the TT rate if you're not doing a TT.

QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 25 2008, 10:02 PM)
Also DCI is also a place that can do conversion to put in foreign currency FD which enable one to convert at much better rate.


However good the rate, the difference between risk and no-risk will probably never be the 4-5% that it appears at first glance.

QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 25 2008, 10:02 PM)
Yup, it is plain not wise if one first/initial intention is only want to put 1 month FD in NZD to get the 8.3%, then convert back to RM after the maturity.


If there's a forced conversion they're almost cheating people already smile.gif

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post Jun 26 2008, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Jun 26 2008, 01:19 PM)
just curious what u spend until 2k+ monthly is not enough.....


House loan, car loan... more than 2K already. smile.gif

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post Jun 26 2008, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Jun 26 2008, 11:17 AM)
only 0.1 - -" wasting time to talk even
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Well if you're comparing no-risk and no-risk, 0.1% of Rm100,000 is Rm1,000 smile.gif

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post Jun 27 2008, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Jun 26 2008, 05:41 PM)
100k 0.1% is 100 la ~ ur math failed tongue.gif


LOL so it did... doh.gif

QUOTE(dr2k3 @ Jun 26 2008, 05:41 PM)
u should use food instead.....i've no idea whats the price is 20 years ago...but 10 years ago when im student...the price of food is not much diff than now....only increase by duno how many %

even if food rise 200% in 30 or 40 years.....u will still have alot spare


Price of food is artificial, it's government subsidized. Some parties are calling for an end to govt subsidies cos they're "bankrupting the country". So if they get voted in, the country will be rich but the people will be poor smile.gif that might happen yet, so food prices might get very expensive. Still that's the least of your worries because housing is going to be even more expensive smile.gif if you have a house already then fine, but you're still going to have to go somewhere to get food if they're not within walking distance.


Added on June 27, 2008, 12:12 pm
QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 27 2008, 11:24 AM)
Any FC FD can be auto-renew until you wish.


That is true, but are they going to exit and then re-enter ?

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post Sep 18 2008, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jun 26 2008, 06:24 PM)
@dr2k3,
Just what do U mean by low liquidity?

@jeff_ckf,
Y look at me?  Not v pretti also tongue.gif
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post Jan 7 2010, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(nicholas88 @ Jan 7 2010, 07:42 PM)
Hi, I would like to know how do they calculate the Fixed Deposit?

According to this site:
http://hlb.com.my/qa/ir/irfd.jsp

If duration - 1 Month (min RM5,000)
Interest Rates p.a. - 2.00%

So, how much would I get?

Actually i'm just a student, but got 5k spare in my bank doing nothing. So, just wonder if I should put in FD.
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5000*0.02 = a bit more than RM100 a year (because of compunding.)


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