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 Public Mutual v3, Public/PB series funds

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skiddtrader
post Feb 1 2012, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 1 2012, 04:46 PM)
min 3 years?
buy less than 1 year?
will see return in coming years?

The fund (China Select) was launched around 2007, now 2012, almost 5 years already.
What is the NAV now vs its initial launched NAV?  whistling.gif

There is no such thing long term must make money, 3 years can make money, more than 1 year can see the return.  doh.gif
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I always think there was some incentive given to agents for promoting long investment periods. Seems for every year you are still invested, they will get commission from your investments. Up till 7 years I think or is it lower now?


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post Feb 1 2012, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(desertkids @ Feb 1 2012, 05:07 PM)
ya they wil have incentive as long as ur money stil wif their fund house..up til ur money stil with them..cz every yr pb wil charge u min 1.5% management fee ma..
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WOW! I thought only for a limited time after the initial investment.

So you mean to say as long as I'm always putting my money into the fund, the agent also got a cut for as long as I stay invested? doh.gif

I'm tempted to ask my siblings to stop their contributions so that they don't pay to a useless agent that don't service them at all. Maybe they can exit and re-enter with a different agent. hmm.gif
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post Feb 1 2012, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 1 2012, 05:13 PM)
Then previous this statement is bullsh#t ?
Joking only.  smile.gif
Market will keep on going down for 3 years above?
Market cannot down for more than 3 years?

Nikkei has been going down for more than 20 years until now.

S&P 500 after 10 year still making a loss until now.
Nasdaq only 50% of its 2000 dotcom bubble.

China SSEC from 2000 until 2006 did not make a gain.

Not to mention 10 years of 1.5% management fee already can mean nearly 12~15 gone even if without the fund making a loss.
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post Feb 1 2012, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(desertkids @ Feb 1 2012, 05:25 PM)
ok..u right..bt market stil gt up n down in tis 20 years time, compare to 20 years b4 it stil show loss..bt in tis periods they stil gt divident/unit split..list/delist of chip stock..

if frm ur statement say after 20years stil mk loss.then wats da meaning v invest in mutual fund/share market since v noe it mk loss every year?
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I think cheeroy's view is that investment that is based on markets cannot be predicted to be high or low after certain periods of time. If the periods are specifically chosen then it can show high gain if using another set of figures it can show losses.

For example using 10 year projections as a base, if you bought UT in 1998 after the financial crisis, you might got a very good gain in 2008 just before the crisis hit again.

But fast forward 1999 to 2009, your investments might not show any gains.

2000 to 2010 might show gains.

So cheeroy's is against ANY sweeping statements that might be used to 'convince' potential investors of the investment.

Most agents tend to concentrate on the 'gains' but never the potential losses or very heavy losses that might occur in a particular year.

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post Feb 1 2012, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Feb 1 2012, 05:51 PM)
Dont cut off the nose to spite the face.

The "lousy" agent gets 0.2% PER YEAR (yup U read that right) of loaded funds held only - ie. bond fund units that was never switched from equities will never be part of the loaded fund (KPARAM & TRANSIT, pls correct me if i'm in lalaland)

The cost of EXITING all funds and RE-ENTERING with a different agent will cost yr siblings:
5.5% for equity funds via cash
3% for equity funds via EPF
0.25% bond funds

Why lar? Just stop putting additional $ in and start, if wanted, with a better advisor.

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Thats a good suggestion.

Do you mean 0.2% of every penny we put in per year to a equities fund? So if my family invested RM25k per year, he gets 50 bucks from my investments every year for not doing anything?


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QUOTE(desertkids @ Feb 1 2012, 06:03 PM)
yup..if u not satisfy with your agent service. just stop invest with him bt no nd take out da money la. EXCEPT u really hate da agent until u feel worth to pay another 5.5% service charge.
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Yeah I forgot abou tthe service charges... doh.gif

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post Feb 1 2012, 06:57 PM

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FWAHHHH! 0.2% per year from the total units * actual price?
Now I know why so many agents around. sweat.gif

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