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post Dec 1 2011, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(soulzerowen @ Dec 1 2011, 08:32 AM)
may i ask china and hong kong will up too? and izzit europe debt solved?
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China and HK market rise a lot today...HSI rise 5.80% and HSCEI rise 8.52% so far...
Euro Debt issue won't be solved so soon...this rise is caused by China cut bank reserve requirement, I guess...
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post Dec 2 2011, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(soulzerowen @ Dec 1 2011, 03:57 PM)
SO IZZIT TIME TO FISHING? - -
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This might be short term bounce smile.gif
DCA should be the safer way at this volatile period.
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post Dec 5 2011, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(mtsen @ Dec 2 2011, 11:53 PM)
good one, put in DCA and forget about it.  cash out next year before election smile.gif
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Hehe...DCA is good for long term, but we still need to review our portfolio periodically smile.gif

From experience, stock market will be good before election and will be corrected after election.
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post Dec 13 2011, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(guanteik @ Dec 13 2011, 12:01 AM)
I noticed if I invest directly from PBEBANK or DDI, I am being charged 5.5% service charge. If I invest through PMO (AI transaction), I am being charged 5.25%. I am aware that there is a RCA campaign till somewhere in March 2012 for those who uses PMO to invest, but why DDI still being charged 5.5%?

Anyone noticed and found an answer for that?
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I thought the 5.25% promotional service charge is only applicable for PMO?
RCA is different from DDI.
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post Dec 14 2011, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(guanteik @ Dec 13 2011, 09:29 AM)
DDI = 5.5%
PMO = 5.25%
PBEBANK = 5.5%

DDI is supposed to be charged 5.25% instead, right?
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Do you subscribe for the e-statement?
The promotion is only applicable for e-statement subscription.
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post Dec 15 2011, 09:11 AM

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Changes on fund name:
Public Islamic Balanced Fund -> Public Islamic Mixed Asset Fund (PIMXAF)
Public Islamic Asia Balanced Fund -> Public Islamic Asia Tactical Fund (PIATAF)
Public Global Balanced Fund -> Public Tactical Allocation Fund (PTAF)

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post Dec 17 2011, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(moon yuen @ Dec 15 2011, 10:17 AM)
thanks, I will try find it rclxms.gif


Added on December 16, 2011, 10:15 amfrankly, I can't find detailed report from Public mutual...

Only got the quaterly review
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The detailed report refers to the annual report? You can download from Public Mutual Online. You must have the access to download them.
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post Jan 3 2012, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(johnnywzm @ Jan 2 2012, 03:23 PM)
anyone had any idea how long it took them to update the data in UTConnect? I'm really new here. I sell a fund to a customer on 15dec2011.
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UTC Connect does not show you about your customer, but only your commission.
You need to have CAMS if you want to see your customers' investment. You should be able to see 15Dec transaction in CAMS now.
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post Jan 10 2012, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Jan 9 2012, 10:07 PM)
can you share with us why overseas funds has not recovered while local funds has recovered? why has this happened? and keeping this in mind, is DDI a wise choice or are there better alternatives? let's not beat around the bush. treat this as me sitting in front of you asking you for an answer.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Unit trust fund price is according to the share market movement. Global share market is not so good recently, especially after the Europe debt issue, but local share market is still strong. I personally guess that is because of the coming general election.

One example is, HSCEI (main benchmark for China fund) is around 10,000 now, but it was around 20,000 in year 2007, when both PCSF and PCIF launched around that. Back to local market, KLCI is still 1,500 now, and it was also less than 1,600 when it reached peak in year 2008. If you invest in PCIF since it's launched, even with DDI, you might still suffer from loss.

DDI is a wise choice, but it's not the best, definitely. DDI is to average your buying price, but not necessary pulling down your buying price. DDI is suitable for people who has not much time to monitor the market and wish to force her/himself to save some money. It might prevent you from investing big lump sum when market is high, but not help you to earn the most.
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post Jan 11 2012, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(cubicc @ Jan 11 2012, 01:53 AM)
Well said, Mr. Lee. Not many people realise that the FBM KLCI can be speculated, especially when 30% of all local counters share are owned by PNB by default.

At the same time, most investors assumed all of Public Mutual funds which involved China, are basically investing in either Shanghai or Shenzen SE, but in actual fact, the investment is neither in A, B or G shares but H. Excellent quote on HSCEI. I assumed you do read Public Mutual's QFR if you are not an agent.

As for DDI, the general idea is to ensure client average out their units purchasing price, "optimising" clients ROI instead of "maximizing" it, which would expose client investment to greater risks.

No rubbish smile.gif . Correct me if I am wrong but I assumed you would have been a least, an Agency Manager by now.
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Yes, KLCI can be speculated easily now, as our EPF is the largest fund in the stock market. EPF plus PNB, can have a significant control on the index.

So far, the main portion of china fund is still H shares, so looking at HSCEI is the most appropriate, but at the same time, still need to look at Taiwan index, TWSE.

I am not agency manager, but only a normal unit trust consultant with no ranking. Sometime, high rank people might not be interested to know so much, as they are more focus on sales smile.gif I do this for my own interest, so still no rank after so many years smile.gif


Added on January 11, 2012, 11:00 am
QUOTE(howszat @ Jan 10 2012, 10:02 PM)
Yes, but if and only if you believe the fund (ie. it's investment objectives) has a future.

If you don't know or have no idea or is not sure or have never thought about it or anything else apart from believing the fund has a future, DDI is a lousy idea.

It is even worse if you did it because your agent convinced you to do it.
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For sure, if the fund has no future, no matter what's your investment method, you will still suffer from loss.
In my case, I compare the investment method regardless of the fund's prospect, just compare the method. DDI is a wise choice, as nobody can time the market. And again, it's not the best choice to get max return.

To invest in anything, for sure we have to understand how the investment works and we have to spend some effort to study which fund has good prospect and suitable for your portfolio. This is prior to what method you want to adopt. If you have failed in this step, sure no matter what's your method later, you might still be failed. This applies to stock investment or even properties investment.

Again, you have to understand it before you invest any. So, don't just do investment decision by listening to those agent or so-called consultant (even I myself is an unit trust consultant smile.gif ). Unless you have engaged some professional financial or investment adviser who is independent from the investment companies, but he gets rewards directly from your pay.

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post Feb 16 2012, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(Felice821 @ Feb 16 2012, 11:17 AM)
Need some advice. It's time for me to withdraw another round of EPF for PM. I wonder which fund is OK to go for it. I'm currently holding:

PIX
PIF
PSF
PIttikal

Should I reinvest back to the same fund or invest into new fund? If invest into new fund, what fund is good? I got in mind but donno how feasible it is.

PBF
PGF
PAGF
PDSF
PSSF

Btw, I got PIttikal holding, can I re-invest it since it's not open for investment but it's under EPF scheme. And also if I did not perform DDI last time, can I start DDI for those is not open anymore?
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Sometime holding too many different funds will cause trouble especially when you want to switch. Most of the funds you are holding now are moderate risk, unless you are going to get a high risk fund, else, I don't see the need to get another fund.

PITTIKAL now is only opened for EPF investment. You can top up using your EPF, but DDI is not available for EPF investment.
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post Feb 29 2012, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Feb 29 2012, 02:31 PM)
Just do some switching today from equity to bond fund through PMO.
Although we can choose which fund to transfer to, but we can't key in our current fund account no. there, and end up, now got 2 same fund but different account.

Like this lagi pening kepala???

Anyone had same situation as mine?
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If the switch-to fund is your existing fund, your switching will be into your existing fund ONLY IF your existing fund has same agent, scheme and jointholder as your switch-from fund.

If your equity fund and bond fund both also having same agent, same scheme, and same jointholder, and still switched into different account, you should raise this up to Public Mutual.
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post Feb 29 2012, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Feb 29 2012, 02:44 PM)
aaahh....

my equity don't have any joint holder, but my bond is...

Is that the reason? wink.gif . Like this how to accumulate all my money into 1 bond fund only, except repurchase and buy back?

Agent and scheme is similar.
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Your equity fund does not have jointholder, but your bond fund has. Means that the equity fund is owned by you, but the bond fund is owned by two persons. Surely, the units cannot be switched into a fund which has different owner. Public Mutual treats these two funds having different owner.

You can repurchase and buy back if you want to make them into 1 account, but this is not so worthy, as you need to pay service charge again. (Unless your bond units are low-loaded units and you don't mind the 0.25% service charge)

Another way that you can explore is, transfer the unit, but I am not too sure if this is fine in your case. You can confirm with Public Mutual. Transfer fee will be RM25.

Anyway, just to share my thought. There is no must to put all your money into 1 bond fund. Most of the time, even we want to switch back from bond fund to equity fund, we may switch it separately, basically to average the price. So, unless both your account having small amount like 1-2k, else, you may remain the money in 2 different account.


Added on February 29, 2012, 3:10 pm
QUOTE(guanteik @ Feb 29 2012, 03:01 PM)
Be very careful when you want to do switching! This was the first time I did switching after the below *stupid* rules. I had fund-A with regular investment (DDI). I wanted to switch to another fund. After switched, those investment made past 90 days were being charged extra per the below rules due to the DDI.

So if you want to switch, probably you may want to reconsider switching, just sell the fund off.

•Switching of loaded units may incur switching fee (of up to 0.75%) which is deductible from the redemption proceeds. The net proceeds will be processed into the "switch to" accounts based on the NAV per unit at the close of the business day: For switching request made within 90 days of the date of purchase of units/switching into the fund, a switching fee of:
- 0.75% or minimum RM50 per transaction will be deducted from the redemption proceeds for switching from equity/balanced funds.
- 0.25% or minimum RM50 per transaction will be deducted from the redemption proceeds for switching from bond funds.
- RM50 per transaction will be deducted from the redemption proceeds for switching from money market funds.
For switching request made after 90 days of the date of purchase of units/switching into the fund, a switching fee of RM25 per transaction will be deducted from the redemption proceeds. 

•For Mutual Gold & Elite Members, the 18 and 30 switching entitlements valued at RM25.00 each can be used to offset switching fees incurred. For eg; if the switching fee incurred is RM75.00, a switching entitlement of RM25.00 can be used to offset the switching fee, thereby unitholder only incurs RM50.00 on this switching transaction.
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You can make use of your agent...ask him/her to calculate how many units are more than 90-day old and do partial switching instead of full switching.
This is the way I advice my customer to do. No point to pay that RM50 just for that little units.

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post Mar 9 2012, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Mar 9 2012, 09:45 AM)
(1) possible happened. thx for ur info.
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If EPF is "real" bankrupt, I think the funds also won't have much value smile.gif
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post Mar 12 2012, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(MSS @ Mar 10 2012, 04:13 PM)
PM can do online like internet banking?.
When I ask consultant, he said cannot.
It's true?
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You are able to do online via Public Mutual Online, but to apply Public Mutual Online, you need to be an existing customer of Public Mutual.
Means that, you need to invest via an agent/direct under Public Mutual before you apply for the Public Mutual Online.
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QUOTE(robhinhood @ Mar 21 2012, 01:15 AM)
hi all investors,

this is my current investment profile. i started public mutual investment since late 90's. most of my investment is done through EPF withdrawal scheme.
my biggest dilemma now:

1) sell all and buy into bonds or just leave it as it is?
2) sell all and return $$$ into epf and get 5% (estimated) interest rate (compounded interest)
3) not very well versed with bonds, i have selected a few bond fund in mind, but after reading the prospectus...  rclxub.gif
PIEF   PUBLIC ISLAMIC EQUITY FUND
PAIF   PUBLIC ASIA ITTIKAL FUND
PFES   PUBLIC FAR-EAST SELECT FUND
PDSF   PUBLIC DIVIDEND SELECT FUND
PIMXAF PUBLIC ISLAMIC MIXED ASSET FUND
PIDF   PUBLIC ISLAMIC DIVIDEND FUND
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What is the triggering point that make you thinking to sell off?

Remember, don't sell unless you decide not to invest in public mutual anymore. You should choose to switch instead of sell off.

Bond fund is low risk fund compared to those equity funds that you're having. However, bond fund return is similar to EPF dividend, it is only a temporary parking for your money, but not for long term.
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post Mar 22 2012, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(robhinhood @ Mar 21 2012, 10:17 AM)
you know, mid life crisis do exist in guys...  tongue.gif

i still have about 15 years of working life, before i make my first EPF withdrawal for age 55.

i will consider switching, instead of selling all of it and park to EPF.

some of the funds i listed in my post, has doubled in $$$, some has 50%-60% profit ratio. i started very early, hence i can see the growth... but not at the pace that i want.

all my gains are in paper, i need to sell/switch to realise the gains.

KLCI is in unchartered territories, we have NEVER reached this high. what happens after GE13 is anyone's guess... since my funds are equity based, i can be exposed to unnecessary risks, therefore i am planning my exit now...

i re-read some of the bonds prospectus, again, some of the returns are almost on par with EPF, some are slightly better.

i did a calculation using 5% as an estimated EPF annual return rate, the compounded effect is tremendous... especially, if your current EPF saving is huge. this got me thinking, bonds or EPF...  rclxub.gif
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Since you have 15 more years to be 55, I believe you still want to continue investing in public mutual using your EPF. So, you can switch them into bond fund instead of selling. Yes, bond fund has return similar to EPF dividend, but this is temporary parking for future use. Market is cyclical, it won't be high for the next 15 years, you might switch back to equity fund when the market is low. Since bond fund has similar return with EPF, there is no harm you keep it in bond fund.

Just my opinion, you should start to exit 5 years before your 55. This should be real exit.
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post Apr 10 2012, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Apr 10 2012, 12:26 AM)
for agents advising, promoting or recruiting online via blog or forum, betcha your last pennies that the unit trust companies mentioned here will take disciplinary action and so will FIMM, all it takes is an complaint letter.


Added on April 10, 2012, 12:41 am
what FIMM or the UT companies want is for investors and UTCs to go via the right channels rather than some informal online forum discussions.
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Agents cannot promote or recruit online, but we can always discuss about unit trust investment online...I don't think they can stop people from discussing this topic online...Nevertheless, internet is a source of information nowadays, but investors are advised to consult the UTC before you place their investment.


Added on April 10, 2012, 4:12 pm
QUOTE(sovietmah @ Apr 10 2012, 11:31 AM)
damansara perdana public mutual got open tomorrow?
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Tomorrow is public holiday...none of the branches will open...

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Apr 30 2012, 11:40 PM)
amazing! but two of these funds were not performing so well though...
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Dividend declared does not necessarily mean the fund is performing well smile.gif

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