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post Nov 10 2011, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(nendo_2008 @ Nov 9 2011, 08:54 PM)
hello everyone,i would like to know that which perform the best for 2years tenure
there are few equity fund that im interested
1)Public equity fund
2)Public focus select fund
3)Public singapore equity fund
4)Public asia emerging growth fund

or any recommended funds for the medium long term
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hi bri, u can refer this site for their performance..

http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application...formancenw.aspx

BTW for the fund you mention above, just my 2cents, best is PFSF public focus select fund, im not so clear bout Public singapore equity fund & Public asia emerging growth fund cz its too new n hard 2analysis. btw IMHO, pick the fund have perform more than 10 years..

there are many good perform fund too, such as

public saving fund,
public growth fund,
public regular saving fund,
public small cap,
public dividend select fund,
public islamic dividend fund,
public islamic select enterprises fund,

diff ppl got diff risk tolerance..so pick the fund based on ur risk tolerance! icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 22 2011, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(anglee82 @ Nov 22 2011, 01:36 PM)
when PB justnow...a agent was there to promote this fund said my 100k put into FD is pointless

if i want to invest 100k..but the initial 5%service charge ==5k is alot...is this normal for all kind of funds??

if i invested 100k...roughly how much can i earn in 3-5 years? ( i know the market goes up and down)
but based on average rate and rough figure onli..by sifu expectation

will this PBGSQF cause losess? like example  i invested 100k...4-5years later market down...i left 70-80k only??

do i nid to make monthly payment/addition invesment??

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JUST IMHO..

he is right, u put 100k in FD is pointless..inflation rate always high than FD rate..

pb charge 5.5% for initial service charge. almost all pb series fund charge 5.5%.

invest in unit trust is mid to long term investment, mean at least 5 years & above, nobody cn tell u how much u can earn in 3-5years.it may generate a loss too..its all depends economy.

PBGSQF is a new fund, so nobody cn predict its future performance.. bt just for your information, some pb series fund generate 10-15% return pa in past 10 years no matter good or bad time.

u can do monthly payment aka DDI/DCA, bt its not a mandatory..u can pay lump sum at 1 times n wait after 5 years only check ur fund performance..

there are a lot lot info u cn get from a gud pb unit trust consultant...request for master prospectus, QFR report, etc..u must understand whats is unit trust 1st b4 buy..
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Added on November 22, 2011, 3:47 pm
QUOTE(NicJolin @ Nov 22 2011, 08:41 AM)
whole market collapse?

PBADBF lowest currently in the past 52 weeks

PFA30F same case as well
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 22 2011, 08:48 AM)
I believe broader market is heading for a downward trend. Most of the equity funds are in the hit!
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market collapse mean that oso a gud time to enter market right? bt no mean v blind blind go enter market now la..
nowadays i feel a lot speculator in KLCI, 2danger for us (slow/small fish) enter this market n let speculators(fast/big fish) eat us.. shakehead.gif
short term bull market(b4 election), long term bear market(after election)??? hmm.gif
just my 0.00000002cents


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post Nov 22 2011, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(l3iTi @ Nov 22 2011, 04:07 PM)
wat if anglee82 split the 100k investment into two?
initial setup, put 1k
after setup only dump the balance 99k

so only will be charged 5.5% on the 1k only.
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u pandai bank oso pandai de ma..haha.no such way 2do.
btw nt advise he lump sum 100k 1 shot la..slowly slowly invest la..if nt once die 100k fly liao..

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post Nov 22 2011, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(anglee82 @ Nov 22 2011, 05:39 PM)
1st thank you desertkids for the pointer

wow...10-15% return per anul? for 10 years?
that means 10k per anul so after 10years can take back 200k?(plus capital)?

reli new to Unit trust...scared to PB salemen want to profit so abit scared to ask much...will take ur advice and look for pb unit trust consultant.

last question...is it wish to invest now during this time..even  the PB salemen talking abt market heading down which i hv no idea..
i tot going down means bad....but this PB salemen said now gud time  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
nope...it seem eveytime u invest or put money into the fund they charge 5%
but if u take money out no charge
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ur welcome..u cn get more than 200k in 10 years time if based on their history performance la, bt it just history, future nt necessary will give u same return.

all salesman will ask u invest no matter now is gud or bad..just a joke conservation below..
salesman: now is bad time, all share price drop, u cn buy now cz u gt more unit at lower price!
u: u gila kah! now bad time u ask me buy! later it drop non stop i ma die!
salesman: now time very gud, every share go up, u cn buy now cz u no nd woli its performance!
u: u gila kah! share price already up till ceiling liao,u ask me buy now then later it drop i ma die!

haha!!! so u must noe the timing, gud or bad time urself..u cn 5 some good utc that cn advise u very wel de.
bro wongmunkeong is a very gud advisor in financial, try ask him..i learn a lot from his post n blog 2.

btw there r 2type of pb utc, 1 is sit in bank, 1 is outside salesman..i prefer outside salesman cz their service better.. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 23 2011, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 22 2011, 07:44 PM)
er.. AngLee82, based on 10 years stats if the calculations are done now, PB's & PM's equity funds return's ranges from about 10.6623%-14.2944%pa CAGR using PM's FPAdvisor. HOWEVER, please note that this figure (CAGR) is highly dependent on which year the calculation is run - eg. in a dip (end 2008) or during high run (eg. 2011) - the 10 years stats ending 31/12/2008 will show a range of about 6.1203%-9.12%pa CAGR.

Take a peek at both the files uploaded here and compare. Thus, the 10%-15%pa return on average for 10 years you're expecting may not be too realistic.

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As for your PB Salesman saying now = good time, when going down.. it depends..
If U are doing lump, it ISNT good.
If U are doing value / dollar averaging, ok ar.
Best Qs to ask yr salesman are:
a. What are U doing yourself now?
b. Can see your track record?
c. What is your entry & exit plans? Why like that?
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hm.. DesertKid, U like my "signature" eh? Have me met before?
eh - dont lar say i'm a good financial advisor, i'm just sharing my own views, tested approaches and stats. Afterwards one of the big kahunas here come after my butt leh tongue.gif
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hi wongmunkeong..i like ur post n signature 2much..haha.so i curi it 2use.

QUOTE(kparam77 @ Nov 22 2011, 08:14 PM)
its ur money, and u must ask Q as more as u can until u get the clear picture.

THE MORE U ASK, THE MORE KNOWLEDGE U WILL GET.

UT like stock, buy cheap, sell high for profits,  either u wait for really cheaper price or apply DDI to average the price.

if market down, the unit price will cheaper. when the market recover, the unit price will higher and u can make profits.

buy cheap, is not mean u can buy any funds. u must reasearch/analize/  the fund risk factor  n the fund past performance.
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thumbup.gif buy low sell high.same with stock. bt UT not really gud for buy low sell high, cz da fluctuation not so high, if u in n out 2frequent, only utc & pb earn ur money..some more pb apply a rules that if u switch within 90 days u will get charge duno hw many % of your switching amount o..
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post Nov 23 2011, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(soulzerowen @ Nov 23 2011, 03:33 PM)
i wanna to ask why i buy public foreign fund ... example ... i buy on 23/11/11 but the price i get is 25/11/11 price? but i buy pb foreign fund i buy on 23/11/11 i get d price is 23/11/11 price?
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forward pricing rule.u buy 2day, u get 2ml price..not 2day price.u shud ask ur agent better.he/she shud tell u b4 u buy this fund..
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post Nov 23 2011, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(soulzerowen @ Nov 23 2011, 03:59 PM)
ya, i knw ur mean..i buy today i will get 2morrow price from public mutual fund price rite? but now i buy today i get two days after public mutual fund update
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Erm, then maybe they wait for oversea market closed only calculate that day NAV,just my 0.0002sen...bt ur pb foreign fund can get same day price bt public foreign fund get 2 days late, so weird..i nvr encounter this problem b4 too. maybe some pb utc here cn answer u later. sorry i cnt help u..
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post Nov 23 2011, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 23 2011, 04:32 PM)
er.. sorry ar bro, i serong a bit a Q
Y the need for "faster" pricing update?
IMHO, we're dealing with mutual funds, not gold spot price or KLCI futures, where time is measured in seconds and profit/loss is measured by per tick or even half-a-tick.

It's like getting onto a cruiser / easy rider bike and expecting it to perform/move like a Japanese sports bike tongue.gif
The flow of time and profits/losses are very different... ohm...  laugh.gif

Just a thought - apologies if i accidentally stubbed any toes  notworthy.gif
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bt i think it just a consumer mindset la..he buy 2day mayb he saw 2day price is lowest in the history..bt after 2 days it mayb diff story.
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post Nov 24 2011, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(l3iTi @ Nov 23 2011, 11:37 PM)
yeah...but it's open for invesment via EPF fund...
so wondering whether to start one...

another question is, if invest via epf, can we do DDI from epf account also?
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u need fill in form to invest thru epf, every 3 month 1 times..n nd c ur epf saving enuf o nt.. thumbup.gif just my 0.0002sen
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post Nov 25 2011, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(soulzerowen @ Nov 25 2011, 08:44 AM)
be agent so good... only 2.75% charged... not like us 5.5% ... so suffer
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if u tink like tis mayb a bit risky..let say u join as agent to enjoy this 2.75% commission, then sure u will ask ur family member n frens buy frm u too. bt after 2-3years u may not enuf 30k quota/boring in this line, then pb mayb nt allow u 2renew ur utc lesen. by that time all ur customer(family member/friends) will direct to ur upline n ur upline wil enjoy da bonus..
just my 0.00002sen...

QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Nov 25 2011, 08:53 AM)
aiyo bro - be agent gotta pour in $100+ to $200 pa for agent cost & system/software cost AND must keep bringing in sales qouta of >=$30K pa for equity funds.
Not everyone can be "self sufficient" to hit that $30K equity funds sales even with priming from family members (assuming all via EPF to Equity funds only).

Thus, since it's a biz, why not TALK and NEGOTIATE with your agent lar for "better value" since U know them numbers liao.
Keep in mind, agents also get a 0.2% pa of TOTAL LOADED UNITS VALUE HELD BY CUSTOMERS and other perks like trips, incentive bonuses if hit $xxx,xxx, xxx etc.

Mind U, i've never tasted any of those except the 0.2%pa heheh - i'm not a million roundtable sales agent mar.
Bottom line - go lar talk & nego with yr agent - they sure want long term wan, especially if U DIY most of the things yourself and they just submit for U tongue.gif Heck, with the PMO (Public Mutual Online), U can DIY everything EXCEPT EPF --> Mutual Funds only.
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agree to u bro, bt pb got rules that agents cnt give service charge discount o..if they noe it ur agents will get disqualify.
i tink if da agent is ur family member then they onli will tk da risk do this, else i doubt will they do it 2u..
btw agents oso nd makan de ma...they nd 100k every month onli cn get 2750 commission, as long as their service is gud then pay them lo.bt mk sure da fund they recommend really earn money la.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 29 2011, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(Ash_9 @ Dec 29 2011, 03:59 PM)
Hi all,

i need some advise on unit trust matter. I had invested some amount into my fund and i got this email from the agent.

:Pls be informed your bond funds u have invested with us is now making a 3.7 growth @ 666.83 profit as at 12/10/2011 closing price.

Meanwhile, would like to suggest to average down your cost by placing additional investment of 40% of your initial investment. The market sentiment is very volatile for the last quater of 2011. The initial cost was 0.6066(NAV) when invested at 1sy quater of this year. The latest NAV of this fund is at 0.516. Thus, with this additional investment it will lower down the cost of 0.6066 as well. It will also helps the investor to breakeven  the profit when the NAV surges.

Can anyone pls explain me abt this and your advise pls.
I appreciate for your time. Thanks.
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when u start buy ur fund? its NAV during ur 1st investment?
ur agent state that ur fund making 3.7% growth @ 666.83 profit..wats it mean? since u earn y stil wan u invest more to lower down ur cost?
if u feel uncomfortable with top up, just tell ur agent u dun wan top up, cz he cnt simply say wan u top up then u nd top up..mk it clear better.
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post Dec 29 2011, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(Ash_9 @ Dec 29 2011, 04:26 PM)
desertkids:

this is what my agent emailed me. Im not really sure what does it means...
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ur agent even not call u out for discuss/explanation 2u?

based on da little info i get above..

ur agent wan u invest more into the fund u buy..because the NAV per unit price is lower(0.516) compare to 0.6606(assume ur ori NAV when u buy) which means u make loss now! tats y i curious y ur agent say u make gain?
so assume now u make loss..u cn minimize ur loss by lowering ur total investment cost,look at exp below

ur initial investment - 10k
ur initial unit - 10000/0.6606 = 15137.75 unit

ur current investment value(if u sold now) - 15137.75 x 0.516 = 7811.08 (u loss 2.2k)

so if u top up another 40% of ur initial value now(4k)
new invest unit - 4000/0.516 = 7751.94 unit
total unit in hand - 15137.75 + 7751.94 = 22889.69 unit
so ur average price per unit is 14000/22889.69 = 0.6116

so ur agent mean u invest more now so u get gain more if da NAV rise more than 0.6116.

sorry the info i get from you is very limited so i duno assumption above is right or not.

Another assumption i can mk from ur statement is...
ur fund is gain since u buy the fund. but current NAV is lower than NAV of Q1..so when u buy more unit at this low price, mean even da price get fall again ur loss oso not tat significant cz ur average value per unit is lower.

just my 0.000000000000002cents.. thumbup.gif
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post Dec 29 2011, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(Ash_9 @ Dec 29 2011, 05:19 PM)
Hi,

I am staying in overseas so, she just emailed me. Anyway, if i loss, why did she told me that i get 3.7 growth@666  profit as at 12/10/2011?
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hi, as i say i duno much about your investment(when u start,initial nav,total invest)..so i oso duno ur fund is earn or loss.
bt the main purpose of ur agent's email is ask u to top up to lower the average cost of unit. her point of view is good for u since constantly investment is good for long term investment. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Jan 6 2012, 02:41 PM)
on this remark, help me understand why Public China Ittikal Fund with DDI since 2/1/08 monthly is still negative (23.60%) as at yesterday's price? Average price is 0.2168 vs current market price is 0.1656.

Public Mutual agents come come explain. 4 F ing years and still negative 23.60% with DDI!!!!  vmad.gif  vmad.gif  mad.gif  mad.gif  rclxms.gif
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may i noe y u want invest in PCIF initially? not other fund? objective?
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QUOTE(Seremban_2 @ Feb 1 2012, 11:21 AM)
Can a non bumi buy Islamic one?

My agent didn't recommend to me and invest Public Mutual Select Fund till now no return. making loss.  sad.gif
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everybody oso cn buy islamic fund..unit trust is for long tern, mean min 3 years..i tink u shud jz buy it less than 1 year so u onli c it mk loss..be patient n doing DDI monthly..u wil c ur return slowly in coming years.

btw got public mutual select fund?are u sure? smile.gif
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post Feb 1 2012, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(Seremban_2 @ Feb 1 2012, 12:16 PM)
Sorry Bro, It is Public Mutual China Select Fund.

I do DDI every month and agent send me report showing I am making loss.  doh.gif

Like FD is better than public mutual.
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public china select fund..IMHO..better do switching to stop your bleeding. take more stable n old fund like PRSF/PDSF..or aggressive fund like PSMALLCAP/PAGF..those fund performance not bad...

FD = low low risk = low low return and it always lose to inflation rate..

QUOTE(Aurora Boreali @ Feb 1 2012, 12:42 PM)
Lol, don't listen to agent. I bought a new fund last time according to agent's advice and it's still in the red. That was 2 years ago. I saw that it wasn't going anywhere on the 4th month and switched everything to Public Bond. Good move on my part.
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normally i wont buy new launch fund..i only pick the fund that perform more than 10 years..
some of the agent don't give you the right advice..but it's better if you can analysis yourself than just listen to your agent, cz its your money nt agent money, they wont care u r making loss or earn sometimes..

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post Feb 1 2012, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(kparam77 @ Feb 1 2012, 04:18 PM)
bond fund less commision for agetns.

ask him why no recommend for bond. did u ask him abt bonds?

yes, non bumi can bays islamic funds.

select fund? which 1?
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i tink he didnt ask wat is bond fund..
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 1 2012, 04:46 PM)
min 3 years?
buy less than 1 year?
will see return in coming years?

The fund (China Select) was launched around 2007, now 2012, almost 5 years already.
What is the NAV now vs its initial launched NAV?  whistling.gif

There is no such thing long term must make money, 3 years can make money, more than 1 year can see the return.  doh.gif
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if who say doing investment sure untung then they definitely bullshit u!!!except our PM that annouce the SARA 1M fund that can gv u 20% pa return..

i say will c return when he didnt mention what fund he is buying. There are no fund cn give u guaranty return in how many years. the reason i ask him keep for 3 years & above is to calm him down when c market fall.(i duno when he buy his china select fund) Do u tink a market will keep on going down for 3 years & above?

im nt dare 2say sure c return in min 3 years..bt wat i noe is in 3 years time market sure wil go up n down..y u mz quit when da market is down n nt wait for it go up again..

fund selection n analysis is very important for investment..i keep my investment portfolio for more than 5 years dy..i nvr panic when market down n hapi wen market up..
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Feb 1 2012, 05:04 PM)
I always think there was some incentive given to agents for promoting long investment periods. Seems for every year you are still invested, they will get commission from your investments. Up till 7 years I think or is it lower now?
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ya they wil have incentive as long as ur money stil wif their fund house..up til ur money stil with them..cz every yr pb wil charge u min 1.5% management fee ma..
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post Feb 1 2012, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Feb 1 2012, 05:13 PM)
Then previous this statement is bullsh#t ?
Joking only.  smile.gif
Market will keep on going down for 3 years above?
Market cannot down for more than 3 years?

Nikkei has been going down for more than 20 years until now.

S&P 500 after 10 year still making a loss until now.
Nasdaq only 50% of its 2000 dotcom bubble.

China SSEC from 2000 until 2006 did not make a gain.

Not to mention 10 years of 1.5% management fee already can mean nearly 12~15 gone even if without the fund making a loss.
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ok..u right..bt market stil gt up n down in tis 20 years time, compare to 20 years b4 it stil show loss..bt in tis periods they stil gt divident/unit split..list/delist of chip stock..

if frm ur statement say after 20years stil mk loss.then wats da meaning v invest in mutual fund/share market since v noe it mk loss every year?

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