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post Sep 6 2011, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(shithappens @ Sep 6 2011, 01:31 PM)
just got mine done...kevin's a nice chap and very informative with sharing experiences about the product....thanks buddy for your time

i'll provide a more detailed feedback in the next few days...overall the most noticeable is the muffled vibrations and noise while going over bumps or potholes.....let the foam cure a bit more and i'll access the other improvements then

to the other 3 customers (u know who u r) there...a friendly shoutout...was nice meeting u all

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got my new sportage done yesterday. did not take to long to get it done
the foam has not really harden yet, but after taking out from the basement, the immediate improvements where there. the improvement below are notice directly after the foam was done

it was quieter, less stress over holes, noticeble improvement in comfort levels and the car felt more compose. Handling did improve.
For the amount i paid its was already worthwhile for the upgrade even with the barely harden foam

i guess in a few days time would be even better. Did not have any drawbacks, was thinking twice of doing it at a competitors place but this satisfied my needs at way lower price. i


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post Oct 4 2011, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ Oct 4 2011, 07:03 PM)
I highly recommended his foam smile.gif If you guys want to try, please contact him and I'm sure you won't regret. The price is very reasonable and product works just as good as Autofoam (which charges cut throat price).
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I can concur on the product quality, really good and a bargain price. I am even more please that Kevin is getting it done on a better place now, more professional. With the pricing and the gentlemen behaviour, kevin product is just superb. At the price he is charging it for its just a no brainer upgrade even for old cars.



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post Nov 5 2011, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(Roger89 @ Nov 3 2011, 11:00 PM)
I owe the seller a review and now that it has been one week already, this is a review I have to make. I will try my best to give an unbiased one.

Pros:
- Improvement in areas of soundproofing. E.g All the noises from tyres, vibration, road, exhaust that were previously amplified through the hollow chassis are now dampened.
- Slight improvement in chassis rigidity if any. This could be placebo effect btw.

Cons:
- One week after, I had the opportunity to remove the excess foam sticking out of the holes near the exhaust (with rear tyre removed). Mind you, these were not removed by the installer (couldn't access?). I felt it in my hands and there were soft! I could dent it with my fingers easily and the dent stayed there. At that moment I doubted how such foam strength like that could stiffen up the chassis. No doubt chassis foaming does help stiffen the chassis, but much of it depends on the density (measured in kg/cubic cm or lb/cubic inch). Unfortunately, this product is disappointing in this area.
- The chassis foam used is a product also used in the construction. Any claim of "designed for automotive use" is pure marketing hype.
- They are not fire retardant class B2.
- I think the price is not THAT reasonable. You could obtain the product for self DIY at a fraction of the cost (assuming you're handy).

I understand that my review my be short-lived, but I hope this gives another picture to the all favourable reviews found here.
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It think its good to have unbiased review. Keeps the product fresh and unbiased

on the fire retardant thing i am not sure what is the specs for B2, but after i did my optra, the excess, quite a fair bit just drop on my exhaust metal. It was on the exhaust for a better part of 2 weeks. the foam just blacken without catching fire. My regular mechanic saw the foam and told me about it. Looks very much like a fire resistant material to me. It just blacken the area without spreading to the other parts of the foam. Also it did not catch fire

On the pricing i guess there will never be a price that reasonable. everybody want as cheap as possible. I do see some people on low yat selling the foam for rm75 per bottle. He tends to sell to each user 4 bottles. You can look him up in the automotive garage.

Maybe diy is better, but as i guess it was not so as you chose to do with kevin. Willing seller willing buyer

However I would like to know to where can i buy the foam that is cheap to be fair in supporting your statements. Would be nice to know there are always alternatives out there to get it done by yourself
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post Nov 8 2011, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(IceCube @ Nov 8 2011, 12:14 PM)
Pm-ed. See you soon.
DIY if they have the knowledge, need alot of trial and error but, once you inject wrongly into the chassis, either too much or too less, you cant remove or top-up anymore. Then you will regret and money down the drain also.

DIY is fun sometimes but not for chassis foaming. Lots of precaution have to be taken care of. At first we also thought it was easy but no, people who sell DIY bottles are putting words like air, "any average joe can DIY" , you guys can  try but be extra careful as its no turning back. The amount of foam going in is also crucial. The type of foam also crucial. But with 4 bottles for RM75 each would end up RM300 , i also charge you RM300 for a complete job.... then DIY also same price but with all the risk involved.
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For chassis foaming i think DIY is bad, don't get me wrong sound proofing diy is superb. I advocate DIY you get to understand your car better and there is no shortcut being done. But with chassis foaming one mistake, sorry non reversible. Sorry but here is where i advocate AUTOFoam philosophy
One time application, Life-Time Performance.

Sound proofing can take out redo, throw away or add some more. Leave this part to the professional. if you read the other forums there are number of people having issues after the foaming has been done and there is nothing they can do except sell the cars

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post Dec 6 2011, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(thefryingfox @ Dec 6 2011, 08:25 PM)
i think the gentleman already mention this to you - if somespots are missed, you can come back and re-foam it.

On the topic of KL auto smile.gif, i too have area's which were left unfoamed ( undercarriage package). Reason why - i went to IceCube for some silencing of road noise and the was a requirement to remove my front fender. When i opened my fender, i saw hollow section of the undercarriage beam that was STILL Not foamed.

Desmond, i know ur here and i know u will remove the fender and COMPLETE your foaming on my undercarriage smile.gif eventhough it has been 3 months since i came for foam smile.gif
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i think in general both vendors are in the habit of missing out things. Only human i guess.
I do feel icecube needs to improve on his technical skills or pay more attention to the foaming.

he did one of my cars, foam the a-pillar without inspecting the air flow. Screw up the noise floor of the car. Since then had to spend about rm750 just to get it close to the original noise level. Still i feel its not up to my pre-foaming level in terms of noise level. Just because of his mistake of not noticing things had to fork out more money to add it more sound proofing as recommended by icecube for his solution of fixing the problem

till this day i think its really stupid all in i paid Rm1050 to get a condition worse before i did the foaming. SHould have the save the money and not bother to do the foaming at all

i do agree sometimes it does pay to go a more knowledgeable person when doing foaming or even soundproofing as my experience has thought me twice with 2 different cars done at Icecube's place.

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post Dec 7 2011, 08:53 AM

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i am well aware of the expectations of the foaming process. In total i have spend 4K at Icecube place for 2 cars. so I know what to expect for each process

the way my car was design is the noise from the engine travels via the A pillar to the C pillar and then to the boot. Once the A pillar was done, what happen was the noise from the engine become very loud, noise from the road became very loud, and noise came from the boot area.
So we treated the fenders that help, then the back area with the spare tyre and then the firewall. All this sound proofing help to lower the noise floor quite a far bit. Before the sound proofing the sound was really unbearable.

However when i compare the noise floor with a sound pressure meter in my car and my friends stock car bought at the same time. My car is slightly nosier by 1dB. So cut the story short my car modified with foaming is 1db noiser than stock car moving thru the same road.

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post Dec 7 2011, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(DSV4600 @ Dec 7 2011, 02:52 PM)
From what I read from the last 2 messages, we need to lower our expectations on the product? From what was advertised, the product promised to improve handling & reduce NVH.
Now end-users are claiming we have to lower expectations (win some, lose some) to get better handling but a noisier car? Seems like false advertising...

Furthermore, why does a person need to pay more for additional soundproofing when the foam is expected to reduce noise levels, although not by much, because the seller is unable to ensure all areas of the chassis is foamed completely & correctly?
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Perhaps it was not install properly or just done wrongly. If the foam did not reduce noise levels i would have been fine. It did the opposite it made way worse.

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