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post Mar 13 2006, 11:10 AM

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i dont know whether i should post here or kopitiam, but anyway...........
I have recently invested in this Swisscash mutual funds, invested 1K USD wink.gif wink.gif
just to share with you all with this website. Any comments are welcome!!!

surf the website for more information smile.gif http://www.swisscash.biz

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post Mar 15 2006, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Mar 14 2006, 02:30 PM)
I don't know why people invest in funds they don't know or don't understand. And then they complain when the fund disappears. Swisscash is probably just another HYIP.. that's not investing, that's gambling smile.gif the office is not a proper office -- it's a virtual office.

http://www.yourcityoffice.com/contact_us.php

Whoever heard of a mutual fund operating out of a virtual office ? smile.gif

Also, look at http://www.swisscash.biz/web/asc_financialteam.aspx

There are three females, three males. But there are five male names and only one female name LOL smile.gif
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sorry wodenus, can you provide us more facts instead of opinions. Btw swisscash is not a HYIP. Well, at first i too wasnt too convinced to invest into swisscash but after doing some researches, i invested smile.gif my referal invested 10K USD and now she took back RM100K+ from the bank. She even has a bank slip which clearly written where the bank transfer the money and who. If you think Swisscash is a scam, do you think it is possible for them to open an account in a bank under swisscash? Im sure the bank will check through their existence 1st as the bank themselves would be very afraid in involving with all these scams. and also for your information, Swisscash has this sms system which is very effective. If there is any new investor who joined under you, sms wil notify u within 2-3 mins.

and also, if this is a scam, do u think they are able to pay u the return right on time? until now, no one has ever complaint about not getting paid or the paid is not on schedule. alot of people had already invested in swisscash already. If u really think it's not convicing, u can try 100usd / RM380 in swisscash 1st. Well isnt it's better than putting in your bank right? shakehead.gif
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post Mar 15 2006, 08:03 PM

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Okay, here are a few facts :

(1) Fact 1 : They're operating out of a virtual office.

(2) Fact 2 : Some of their female staff appear to have male names.


For your fact 1:
you cant say that their office are virtual office unless u have actually been there.

Fact 2 : the photo of the staffs in swisscash doesnt necessary resemble the team.

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Just because you make money doesn't make it legitimate. Ponzi schemes make money for the earliest participants too.


well then can u tell what ponzi schemes from the past that had a professional website? paying money on time? and provide sms services?

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Read the post carefully. Nowhere did I say it was a scam. I said it was probably a HYIP.

Your previous post indirectly telling us that sc is a scam. Well anyhow, now i will assume u do not think it as a scam. For your information, Swisscash is a NON HYIP. HYIP can give you double or even triple of what swisscash is now offering.

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If I wanted to make money that badly, I'd be dealing in drugs or porn. The returns are way better  I'm definitely not putting my money in a company that appears to be lying to me.


dealing drugs and porn are illegal and unethical but swisscash is not. Please,give more logical answer if u want next time.

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Gravity,

You said you had done your research. So please tell us,

1) Under what market condition, you will lose money.

2) Under what market condition, you will make money.

3) What is sales load for this fund?? Is it front loaded or back loaded??

4) What is the annual management fee for this fund??

5) What do this fund invest in??

6) What this fund does not invest in??

To achieve that kind of return that you are talking about, someone has to take a very significant risk.

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U can refer to the website. I researched about the company existencem and had seeked advise from some professional investors, who are my relatives and friends. They told me it's worth to try as what they provide is possible in an offshore country. For your info, they too had already invested. smile.gif smile.gif
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post Mar 16 2006, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Mar 15 2006, 08:58 PM)
In conclusion, my best guess is either you work for Swisscash or you have no idea what you are getting into.

If not, you would had answerred my questions...  What is the wisdom in investing in something that you cannot explain in a simple fashion to someone else??

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Erm Dreamer, please do not misunderstand and jump to the conclusion. I was busy during the time i was posing my previous reply, and if i had explained, i would basically repeating things that are same with the website, BECAUSE I READ FROM THE WEBSITE too. I only investing in SC, What i did is the things that are needed to do for an investors and what i know is also things that an investors should know. It doesnt mean that i have to know everything for that particular business. What u asked was what do they invest, and what do they dont blahblah. If u do wanna know then u should go READ what their website write. And yes, i did alot of researches before i invest. I have search thru the web to seek what they claim to be, seek advises, analyse the pro and cons, the profitability and the risk. Sorry if i say something wrong.

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bet the satement above is the accurate answer. 

Mr Gavity, please

1) Do more research if your want to invest your money into this type of "investment".

2) Do more, more, EXTRA, EXTRA, EXTRA 1000X research before inviting other people into this kind of thing. Do not even suggest anything that you are no 100% sure.
Mr jalut, please. have you ever heard of high risk high return? Can u find any invesment that is 100% safe? Even if u put your money in the bank, financial crisis could happen anytime. Who knows what will happen in the next sec.

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After reading some replies here, I can't help but agree to the fact that the "investment" offered by swisscash.biz is highly questionable.

There are a few reason as to why I have doubt in this "fund".

1) The CFO of swiisscash. For someone who is able to perform such miraculous investment across different markets, he sure has a very low profile and I couldn't find out more about this person besides a lawyer sharing the same name with him.

2) Interesting fund to have. For a fund which performs so well, I do not see it being listed on Fortune Investor Guide 2006. Aside from that, the return by Swisscash.biz can be said to have beaten the S&P 500 by a huge margin (the best performer recorded between 2004/2005 is TKF - Turkish Investment Fund 71.3%)

3) Lack of details. Comparing to well known funds such as Vanguard (One of the 10 largest funds in the world), swisscash.biz offers awfully little details such as management fees, expenses ratio, yields and etc.

Lastly, I can't help but think the website is very nicely done to attract people who are interested to invest but lack the alternatives to do so.

*I am not trying to say what's right or what's wrong since you have already laid down your investment, you can always consider an investment as good when you can go to bed every night without any worries at alll*


thx geminist i appreciate your comment smile.gif those are good pieces of information. Although i had invested, but i do love to learn. smile.gif
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post Mar 16 2006, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(jalut @ Mar 16 2006, 10:01 AM)
doh.gif Haiya Gravity... You clearly misunderstood what I said. What really meant is 100% to the legality of the investment scheme. So far nobody is confident enough that Swissbank is a true and legitimate type of investment. They even cannot provide the detail where they actually invest the money and managed to give such high return compared to any investemnt scheme that are proven to be legal.

There is a difference between "doing the right thing" and then later "doing the thing right".  smile.gif
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blink.gif okie, i get your point. Then do you have any better investment to intro? thumbup.gif
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post Mar 19 2006, 03:07 AM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Mar 19 2006, 01:38 AM)
they arent that PROFESIONAL if they had already invested into this
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Yes they are profesional. My relatives had been managing in this kind of funds for a large company for the past 10 years. i forgot what was the company's name. If u are interested to know then i can ask again. smile.gif
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post Mar 20 2006, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Mar 19 2006, 01:03 PM)
Gravity,

Do you understand the difference between a Professional Investor and a Professional fund manager??  We are talking about professional investor here.  A professional and successful investor is rich and the person will not be working for anyone other than himself/herself.

BTW, I am not a professional investor. 

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Erm, sorry about not mentioning that she involved in investment on behalf of her company. She actually manages the funds and decide on the investment for her company.

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post Apr 2 2006, 05:00 PM

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sorry, it's been a long time since i last posted here. I was quite busy with exams and with swisscash back then.
Anyway, my aunty did invested 1K usd in swisscash. Yes, it's true that i may be risky to invest in such a thing, but do remember the term, high risk high return.
i had get back 10% return and had already TT into my account. Most of my friends had already invested after i show them the statement.
The payment is extremely accurate and efficient. It just take 2 working days for them to tt the money into my account, and the sms system is true amazing too.
i know all of you will doubt my points as im an investor too. Well, if i were u, i will doubt too. But u will never know if u dont even try to look into swisscash right?
what i told to my friends who still doubt it, is to invest 100USd and let it grow slowly. It's much more better than putting into your bank right? Let's say If something seriously happen. What u lost is mostly your RM500. In your life, how many Rm500 will u earn? If what swisscash offer is true, u may lost something much more than RM500.
To be frankly, the 1st time i invested in swisscash, i had NO confident at all, u can say im not a rational investor or what, but for me, i just dont wan to miss this oppurturnity. Think about it guys blush.gif blush.gif
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post Apr 4 2006, 02:02 AM

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QUOTE(mobiusone @ Apr 3 2006, 11:12 PM)
one word...scam
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Mr mobiusone, please do not say it is a scam until u have solid proof on it. Dont provide false facts to the viewer pls. For those who are interested in swisscash, feel free to pm me. I am willing to share those who are more open minded than those who only listen to the one sided story.
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post Apr 4 2006, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(mobiusone @ Apr 4 2006, 10:28 AM)
huge rewards comes with huge risk,you had to accept it.

Find a way to stay away from rotten stocks.
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Yes, indeed, if u cant take the risk, then it's better for u not to invest. but in swisscash, your risk is actually getting lower and lower. The time u got back your 10%, your risk remain 90% and the time u got back 50%, your risk will left another 50.

If it is a scam, do u think they will pay you that efficient? To be frankly, the 1st time i withdraw the return, i felt so surprised as the process is really fast. It only takes me 2 business day for the money to bank into my account.

Yes, u may find alot of malaysian and singaporean investors flooded the page. It is because for the south east asia region, it grows from sg and to malaysia.
i have another point. okie, to open an account in bank as a company, Im sure that the bank will investigate the background of the company right? If swisscash doesnt exist, why did the bank approve? Swisscash is making millions and wont the bank feel weird if its doesnt exists? think about it. Swisscash is one of the project under swissmutualfunds. Think yourself as the creator of this "scammer", do u think u will make another professional website like swissmutualfunds did, and at the same time manages swisscash? do u think it's possible for them to maintain it? They even have to manages database, investing and updating the performance of the company to us at the same time. It merely impossible for a group of 5 to manages such a thing.

Swiss mutual funds registered the company back in 1948. My upline who is owns a company in HK told me about this. When he wanted to register his company last year, he had to register as richmound 2005. He cannot backdate the year.

Our CFO, michael mansfield had actually gave a talk to the sg team, and that's why the sg team is so confident in swisscash. again, if u see alot of swisscash website with those dreamkaya team, they are actually some malaysian or sg swisscash group. well, i can open one website to promote swisscash too right? Sometimes when things turn out to be good, people somehow will think that it is impossible. But in fact, what swisscash offer is true. My upline had already get more than 300% from her return within one year. she invested 10K usd and had got back about 80K usd thumbup.gif . Believe it or not, u have to come see her personally, she will show u everything. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Apr 4 2006, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Apr 4 2006, 04:35 PM)
Gravity,

Does that means you admit that you work for Swisscash??

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Well, of course. i had told about it in the previous page right? If i wasn't in swisscash, will it be possible for me to know and understand swisscash now? if u dont try, u never know..

for those who wan to check out the mothersite ( swissmutualfund) u can find the link in swisscash.biz

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post Apr 4 2006, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(jalut @ Apr 4 2006, 07:39 PM)
Gravity,

You still didn't answer my question.

Did your your "so called professional investor" sister invested her company's money in Swisscash?

If yes, how much? What company she work in? (You can PM me if you doesn't want to publicly stating the company's name)

If no, WHY? Since Swisscash can provide such high return how come your sister's company didn't invest in it.
If you are really honest in this thing please answer the question.
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please, can u show some respect to people? she indeed is a professional investor. She had been investing in all kind of investments, eg, properties, shares etc. She's is my auntie, not my sis. I havent seen her lately, as u know it is very busy as an investor. She is working in prudential if im not mistaken. and she invested 10K usd which is RM38K.

Logically, it's already hard enough for ppl to believe in this. Do u think it will be easy to convice a whole company to invest in it? besides, in swisscash, the maximum sum is 100K USD. if it's more than that, might as well they set up their own company right? tongue.gif
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post Apr 5 2006, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(klww2001 @ Apr 5 2006, 12:11 AM)
hmm this swisscash is interesting but some how i don't buy it. you're right higher the risk higher the return. but the way you put it is like a sure make $$$$.

how much have u invested and if you're the staff of swisscash how come only your aunty invested? i am sure u will go borrow money from bank, uncle and aunties, etc..etc.

why not post some image of the statement to make us better understand it.
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I had invested 1Kusd, and im a referral of swisscash, not really a staff. Why only my auntie invested? it's hard to say, for somebody, they will be afraid to lose their money in investing high risk investment. But for ppl who dare to take risk, they will have higher return. As for my auntie, she is willing to take the risk of losing her 10KUSD. As I had said in the previous post, if u invest for eg, 100usd, what u lose if anything happen is only that 100. But if u have miss the oppurturnity, what u miss is much more than the 100. smile.gif

and for investing, of course u cant throw all your capital into one type of investment right? we have to diversify the investment and porfolio.

what statement do you want me to post? the bank statement or anything else? smile.gif

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post Apr 5 2006, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(jalut @ Apr 5 2006, 01:21 AM)
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Could you explain why it is hard enough for ppl to believe in this?

I believe that it should be very easy to convince people if the investment is indeed legitimate.
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Oh, what is your 1st impression when i share with you swisscash? what i got mostly is negative feed back, which means people just doesnt believe there is such a good thing. or in another word, people thought that it's too good to be true, and that's the problem

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what kind of market does this swisscash invest in?

and what is the minimum capital for starting a swisscash account?


the money swisscash got, will be invested into Equity funds, Forex, commodities, Hedging and alot more. you can read it from the site. Basically the site shows how does the company operates. The minimum capital is 100usd.

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post Apr 5 2006, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(mobiusone @ Apr 5 2006, 10:06 PM)
if thats the case,then swisscash is a hedge fund,take a look what i posted in my previous post
and the minimum capital is 100usd?
hedge funds' minimum capital is at least 10k usd.
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that's why swisscash is here to open for us, small investors. swisscash does not only invest in all these funds, but they also in properties and businesses.

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i thought u were saying that swisscash itself is a mutual fund ? and now u say that it is investing in equity funds ? then i might as well invest straight to that fund...


if u have a few hundred thousand of usd and u are a professional investor, feel free to invest then.

i advise you all to read what the website write before jumping to the conclusion and to prevent any more misunderstanding. >> Sc

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post Apr 6 2006, 02:17 PM

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Alright, let's put aside swisscash!

anyway, all of you here invest in stocks? any recommendation? rclxms.gif
experts had analysed that recession is coming in 2 or 3 years time. If anyone wanted to invest. It's time for now, huat all and then sell all before 2/3 years time. laugh.gif

 

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