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post Oct 8 2005, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(etsuko @ Sep 30 2005, 10:28 AM)
Robert Kiyosaki's advice is that if you want to do safe investment, then you should be looking at Mutual Funds (MF).

My dad actually has someone to help him manage his MF or stocks for him while he's working. He also explained to me that there are brokers or dunno what do you call these people that advise you to buy/sell certain stocks in the day. Your returns might not be as high as these people because they help alot of people trade.

Imagine you're a broker with 100,000 in your pocket and your job is to find potential stocks to invest. Your returns are higher with that huge amount invested whilst giving back the small profit gained by people who gave you money to help invest.

Hope that makes sense.

I'd actually like to know more about Mutual Funds and Stocks.

Like, can I just leave the Stocks inside and assume it will always generate revenue for me even though I don't buy or sell more?
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wrong! robert said...no to unit trust and mutual fund....
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post Oct 8 2005, 01:56 AM

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vincecyc,

mine to show us your portfolio?....need to know your skill...
hope you dont mind...coz i only believe ppl tht also invest rather than manage...

dude i think 8% is not good..20-30% sound better..since it is unit trust, it is risky, why not get more risky?...20-30% possible or not?

by the way where to search for company yearly dividend record? i think they sure got data base about this right?

This post has been edited by 3den: Oct 8 2005, 10:59 AM
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post Oct 8 2005, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Oct 8 2005, 04:06 PM)
Please do not post stupid thing.
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sorry...just wanted to get more ppl ideas...i will delete it.
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post Oct 8 2005, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(vincecyc @ Oct 6 2005, 01:40 PM)
first sorry 4 late reply cause i quit busy

for assasin problem i oredi PM  assasin( sorry for silly question)

like i say b4 mutual fund and unit trust is the same

doremon here post a good question

All The ASB, ASW, ASN, ASM maybe more all is different fund type belong to Amanah saham same company,

they are good, dunno why so good market down market up also give 10% and ubove reurn I wonder where they get the money from??
( dun argue of it)

some only open for BUMI, if you r not hard to get, and have limit per person should be 100K depent on fund,

i will have to find more info about it,
because my business partnership unit trust com is not Amanah saham

if you can get hold of it, get it, last time i want to get but close oredi.
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are you a bumi..?if you r not then you can only buy ASW.
the rest i believe for bumi only.
i think the investment is somewhere 200K(not sure).
the saham for bumi is not closed yet..only for non-bumi...
i think not many bumi holding the saham...coz they sell it when they need money...
so there are plenty still can be buy for bumi...
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post Oct 8 2005, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(Assassin @ Oct 8 2005, 08:53 PM)
so what you mean is non-bumi better go elsewhere. smile.gif
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err..coz the ASW saham for non bumi already habis jual....non bumi holding tight to their share dont wan to sell....coz the dividend is good.

well, what else can we do?....the most profitable n secure unit trust/fund is not availble to us....sad.

cry.gif cry.gif ......need to find other kangtauh(investment).... cool.gif

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post Oct 9 2005, 12:29 AM

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err... i think it is better buy stock than buy than MF/UT...

here is my point of view.....
1. i prefer everything under my control. I choose what company i think the best. of course must do your homework before buy.
2. I will take all the profit rather than few %...who knows how many percent MF earn from our money.Why this is important?....bcoz in MF....I will taking the total toll on loss..but i am not taking much % from the profit...it is better:

high risk=high profit (Stock)
high risk=low profit (MF/UT)

for me MF/UT is they use our money to invest...if they manage to get profit
they will divide x% to everyone...and increase few 0.0X cents...

But if the investment lost, our money burn...we might not able to get % profit..and our unit per share drop like hell..we stuck..cant sell the share.
if you notice unit trust price wont go up too high too fast..but it will drop like hell...it take very long time for them to grow....and they usually have a saturation point.

why MF grow slow? bcoz unlike the stock...the value of stock increase due to the value of the company...
where MF/UT bussiness is to help you to manage you fund...their value is not based on their company value....
but is based on the investment that they have invest. They collect all the money they can get(from customer)...and start to invest in many area...
others stock...other ppl bussiness....
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post Oct 9 2005, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(AdrianA @ Oct 9 2005, 12:18 AM)
I've been hearing alot of about dividends....what are they anyway? What i know is that its something like basically giving you free shares or money for owning some of its shares. But does it matter much if a particular share gave high dividends but doesnt really appreciate much?
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hmm....dividens is like interest calculated in %.

example...you invest RM1000.

if the anual dividend 10%..your profit=1000x10%

dividend is profit that you get from investing in the company. when you buy share you actually own a small pcs of the company...dividend is like our payout by the company.the higher the net profit the higher % of dividend loh.

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post Oct 9 2005, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Oct 9 2005, 08:51 AM)
Or you can say stocks are managed by you and to whatever companies you want but mutual fund is managed by the bank to a specific group of companies they want to invest to.

Basically, the bank is doing what you guys called division of risks (discussed earlier) by investing the money to several different companies. So, if you invest in the Mutual, the bank will do it on behalf of you.

Am I right?

I think Mutual Fund has the same risk with stock because it's status is based on stock exchange too. The only difference is the maintainance, if you are expert enough to do analysis on stock market and invest on your own, you do not need to invest on Mutual, however, like newbie and people who are not pro, investing on Mutual Fund is safer because the bank will help you to decide which to invest to.

i think it's still same game but different ways to play it.
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well if you r not confident with yourself making decision ....MF is your choice loh..
why not buy a bit cheap share around RM1-2....look for good company background
i think this way you learn more rather than playing with MF.

there is plenty of online real time stock exhange game....you will see why i say stock better than this MF.

there is other thing call Opiton trading....biggrin.gif even better!
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post Oct 9 2005, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(p4n6 @ Oct 9 2005, 03:09 PM)
NOt just the confident but the time to do all the research.
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make money where got easy way....need time and effort.... sweat.gif
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post Oct 4 2006, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 4 2006, 02:06 PM)
Just to share today news about Swisscash
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...0816&sec=nation
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hohoho HYIP scammer...
but how they get caught?
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