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dreamer101
post Aug 14 2011, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Aug 14 2011, 07:59 AM)
I am not looking for a specific branch of philosophy. Is there a philosophy 101, where all beginners start, i.e, an introductionary course?
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http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/linguistics-and-philosophy/

Deadlocks,

They are ALL available FREE from MIT over the Internet...

You can find those from Princeton and Harvard university too...

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post Aug 14 2011, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Aug 14 2011, 08:12 AM)
Are there no traditional classrooms for philosophy in Malaysia?
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Deadlocks,

Why do you want LOW CLASS education when you can get WORLD CLASS education from MIT, Harvard, and Princeton??

Philosophy is THINKING about THINKING...

Why do you need a classroom to THINK??

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post Aug 14 2011, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Aug 14 2011, 08:42 AM)
Because I prefer human interaction, not that I insisted on choosing questionable quality of education, of course.
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Deadlocks,

Do you MEAN that YOU are NOT a human being?? YOU cannot interact with YOURSELF?? YOU cannot QUESTION yourself??

Philosophy is THINKING about THINKING. That also mean the ABILITY to see / think from more that ONE POV. Nobody can do it for YOU. YOU have to be ABLE to QUESTION and DEBATE and look from multiple POV. Including ONE that is TOTALLY opposite your current POV.

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post Dec 31 2012, 01:43 AM

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TS,

4 levels of wisdom:

1) I know nothing

2) I know what I know but I do not know what I do not know

3) I know what I know and what I do not know

4) Go back to (1)

How do you teach the blind the color of red??

Do you know what you do not know?? If not, how do you find your blind spot??

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post Dec 31 2012, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Dec 31 2012, 08:18 AM)
Yes, Dreamer. I know, that I know, that I don't know. But if you know, do let me know, so I'll know what you know, and what you do not know, and so will you, to me.
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Deadlocks,

Only YOU know what you do not know. Nobody else can do it for you.

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P.S.: I had told you.

If a person CHOOSE only to look towards the left, the person will never know what is on the right side. Look at your own posts and biases. What you had chosen to IGNORE and hence incapable of seeing??

If you are BLIND and somebody tell you about the existence of color of red, will you CHOSE to INVESTIGATE or IGNORE??

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post Dec 31 2012, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(ohsome @ Dec 31 2012, 01:15 PM)
Hi Dreamer,

Do you mind elaborating point number 4? Does it mean that once a person has achieved level 3 he would realize that what he knows is relatively negligible to what he can learn from the world?

Thanks.
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ohsome,

Yes.

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post Dec 31 2012, 10:37 PM

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http://www.amazon.com/Zen-Art-Making-Livin...l/dp/0140195998

TS,

I am reading this book.

From: this book, Page 488.

To improve your learning capacity

1) Focus: Remember your purposes. Concentrate on why you want to learn

2) Open: Admit that you do not already know, and accept that it is okay

3) Reflect: Gain confidence by recalling what you have already learned.

4) Observe: Increase your awareness. (Improve your capacity to perceive process and distinguish differences )

5) Model: Take advantage of other people's experience

6) Act: Practice, practice, practice.

I am following Zen. I consider all those Philosophy 101 and stuff is too limiting.

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post Jan 2 2013, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 1 2013, 12:20 PM)
If you have read carefully and understand, not only did I have professed and acknowledge that I indeed know nothing, and intend to seek in response, I have also CHOSE to be AMBIVALENT, unlike your claims that I am merely being biased. That is of course, until you point them out, and I already knew which one will they be, and I have already prepared the answers for them.

And I am indeed blind, if that satisfies your inquiry. And I understand that no matter how I attempt to understand redness, it will not be the same as actually seeing the colour. Except that there is a twist:

I proceed with the attempt.
If there is nihilism involved, I will avoid reading it. I am sorry, and no offense. It is the only philosophy I have bias against. It may sound like an insult to you, but to be desire-less is, IRONICALLY desire itself, or more accurately, a desire to achieve nothingness because "something-ness" has its risks of sufferings. I am absolutely taken aback when similar philosophies like these regard desire as something to be discarded only for the mere reason that it will inevitably lead to suffering, instead of also addressing the joy, happiness, victory, and glory that also can be achieved via the existence and the path of having desires.
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Deadlocks,

<< It may sound like an insult to you, but to be desire-less is, IRONICALLY desire itself, or more accurately, a desire to achieve nothingness because "something-ness" has its risks of sufferings. I am absolutely taken aback when similar philosophies like these regard desire as something to be discarded only for the mere reason that it will inevitably lead to suffering, instead of also addressing the joy, happiness, victory, and glory that also can be achieved via the existence and the path of having desires.>>

You are caught in DUALITY. You ASSUME that there is only 2 ways.

A) Desire

B) No desire

Why?? The goal of Zen is to transcend DUALITY.

You are BLIND but you DO NOT BELIEVE that color red exist.

Dreamer

It is VERY SIMPLE.

You have 2 choices:

A) You are BLIND and hence you DO NOT KNOW that color red exist or not.

B) You are NOT BLIND and you know that color red does not exist.

Is it (A) or (B)?

You could not say that you are BLIND and color red does not exist. That is level 0 thinking.

The best that you can say is you are BLIND and you DO NOT KNOW whether color red exists. Only in that case, you reach level 1. You know that you know nothing.

1) You either know or do not know Zen.

2) You could choose to believe that Zen is useless without knowing anything about Zen.

What do you choose??

By the way, this the attractiveness of Zen. It forces you to THINK BETTER.

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post Jan 8 2013, 03:21 AM

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QUOTE(Materazzi @ Jan 5 2013, 11:46 AM)
Where to learn zen?
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Materazzi,

http://www.101zenstories.com/

Try this to start...

QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jan 6 2013, 10:26 PM)
To transcend duality? Only if that is true. If you're saying that this transcendence is about understanding and accepting the existence of both results of desires: pleasure and suffering at the same time,  yes, I believe in it, and as a matter of fact most philosophies and wisdom in life expects you to prepare your life for it.

However, if it keeps defining this "self-transcendence" as a form of "escapism" from desire itself, then I'm sorry. That isn't ZEN. That's just a coward's way of living by attempting to escape from the existence of reality.

And to respond to your other query:

I am BLIND, and DO NOT UNDERSTAND how and what the colour red is, although I have heard of it.
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Deadlocks,

<< That isn't ZEN. That's just a coward's way of living by attempting to escape from the existence of reality.>>

<< I am BLIND, and DO NOT UNDERSTAND how and what the colour red is, although I have heard of it.>>

You admitted that you BLIND. You DO NOT KNOW Zen. And, you DO NOT KNOW how to transcend DUALITY.

So, how could you tell what is and isn't Zen??

You just simply DO NOT KNOW.

Unless and until you FULLY ADMIT that you DO NOT KNOW. You cannot learn anything. You are still stuck at DUALITY. You are at level 0. You do not know that you know nothing.

http://www.101zenstories.com/index.php?story=1

Dreamer

P.S.: To escape from or go to something is to ASSUME that something is good or bad. Now, if nothing is good or bad, WHY there is a need to escape from or go to to begin with?? It simply is.

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