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Huey_nee
post Aug 14 2011, 11:35 PM

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I am 27 too, and am currently in the first year of fast track PhD program in IPTA.
Although I have one year++ industrial experience before I further for my degree, 3.5x CGPA, searching for a job is not easy, especially when applying for the 'gender-bias' position.
In Malaysia, the route after PhD is only academic and some (very very few) companies which specifically asking for phd holders. Anyway, since all IPTAs are 'competing' to be APEX (research uni), it won't be hard to find a lecturer job after your phd, or so I heard...
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post Aug 15 2011, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(seanwc101 @ Aug 15 2011, 12:11 AM)
So you work 1st before you started study bachelor degree? Do you aim to be a lecturer after phd? Do you have teaching experience? Hope you don't mind to share.

Where do you study? Actually you can get a sponsorship or scholarship quite easily if you're doing research-based masters in IPTA.
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Yes I worked after my diploma thinking that "diploma is enough for me, I don't need to further study anymore", but the real world prove me wrong (sort of, but do bear in mind most of my diploma coursemates who never go for degree are doing great in their job now, so I think it's people problem).
I did not aim to be a lecturer, it's just seems like being a lecturer is the only resort when you get a phd, in Malaysia. There's near zero company out there which is really looking for a phd holder, because they require more of experience than academic qualification. Plus, the companies do not have enough resource to support their own employees to conduct research, so normally they will look for MOU/MOA with universities to conduct the research for them, with some agreeable payment and resource.
I don't have teaching experience in front of a class, but I do have a lot of 'teaching' experience among my coursemates...lol

This is a 'soalan cepu emas' whenever I asked about 'PhD vs Work' to my prof/lecturers/etc:"What do you want to do/be later?" The pattern of answer is: If engineer - degree is enough; If lecturer - you need phd nowadays; If you want to proceed phd - set your mind to become lecturer...

I would like to recommend you this comic: http://www.phdcomics.com/, just to give you some idea what's the postgraduate/phd life is...
QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 15 2011, 08:34 AM)
TS,

There are AGE DISCRIMINATION in Malaysia.  So, unless you are looking for a job that NEED your Phd, why would ANYONE hire a 30 years old fresh grad with NO EXPERIENCE??  In fact, your CV / Resume will be thrown to trash can without a look because people will ASSUME that you want high salary.

THINK carefully...

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Added on August 15, 2011, 8:38 am

seanwc101,

If NOT, why people do IT??  That is COMMON SENSE..

For FUN?? A person could use that TIME and MONEY to travel around the world or do something else...

And, please DO NOT give me BS about wanting to learn more.  At this day and age, a person could self study almost everything.  The ONLY DIFFERENCE is you get a piece of paper by going to a university.

Now, if a person is NOT CAPABLE of self study, that person has NO BUSINESS doing a Phd.

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I second that.

For seanwc101 - That's why I was in the same struggle/dilemma too after graduate from Degree. Even if I go out now with a Degree's cert, I still have to fight with fresh grad who is younger than me or the same age group who has much more working experience than I am.

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post Aug 23 2011, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(seanwc101 @ Aug 15 2011, 09:52 PM)
Not sure about that. Hopefully some lecturers can answer that.

I do agree that postgrad is mostly needed in ipta/ipts in this country. So If you planning to work in this country, you'll probably become a lecturer? Seems like no choice. Or you want to work abroad which has more choices for phd holder?

Thanks for the link. Now I know the real meaning of PhD... laugh.gif
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For the salary wise - IPTA has a standard rate, but I heard my uni (universiti malaysia perlis)'s salary is slightly higher than other IPTA. IPTS depends on the institute itself, different IPTS has different rate (my lecturer told me this)

Future prospect, honestly I gonna see where my fate/jodoh will bring me LOL. But mostly probably will go academic, there's no other way that I see.

QUOTE(krizalid88 @ Aug 15 2011, 09:57 PM)
yes, you are totally right..even if doing post phd also still need a lot of instruments to do research.
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It depends on the topic your're working on and the scope, and also the research funding.
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post Aug 23 2011, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(seanwc101 @ Aug 23 2011, 02:20 PM)


Added on August 23, 2011, 2:29 pm

In Unimap, we can apply lecturer post with masters degree or need phd qualification? Just wanted to know.
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It depends on the post vacancies, and it should be applied to all uni too. Of course, PhD will be an added advantage.
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post Aug 24 2011, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(seanwc101 @ Aug 23 2011, 11:59 PM)

Added on August 24, 2011, 12:01 am

I've read  in this forum that some universities only wanted min phd qualification for lecturer position.
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Yes, some, especially APEX uni (RU aka research universities). Anyway, if you choose academic route, getting a phd is kind-of a must and sooner-or-later thing. THEN another few decades of fighting your way towards assoc. prof., prof etc... yawn.gif

IPTS (not sure how many, but some) hires lecturers with Master's degree, at least some of my friends are (who is not a phd yet)


Added on August 24, 2011, 4:40 pm
QUOTE(pleasuresaurus @ Aug 24 2011, 03:24 PM)
Ur taking the MyBrain15 program aa mate?
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MyBrain gives below 3k. Uni SLAB/SLAI usually provides that amount of money.

This post has been edited by Huey_nee: Aug 24 2011, 04:40 PM
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post Aug 25 2011, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(bashlyner @ Aug 24 2011, 10:45 PM)
My research field is related to Information Technology and Education, the research involve study and developing an Adaptive E-learning System.

I cant tell you what I actually have to responsible for since I just started my PhD this month and they haven't bank in my money because they need time to process it.
Here is the list of requirement and KPI for me as stated in  their offer letter:

Tuan dikehendaki:

1) terlibat dengan aktiviti penyelidikan di Universities yang dipilih;

2) menghadiri kursus yang ditetapkan oleh Universities bagi tujuan peningkatan sahsiah

And the KPI are same as statedthe brightspark website


Two of my friends already pursue their study for 6 months and according to them you need to attend a course regardless you are BrightSpark candidate or not, other than that no extra course or seminars required by BrightSpark unit so far. Most of the time you'll deal with your supervisor, your supervisor is actually the one who ask you join seminars or any courses, as well as assist in supervision at the Bachelors and Masters Level, if he busy he probably will ask you help him.

All the other KPI related to publication have to be followed strictly since nowadays IPTA keep competing in publishing papers.

That's all I know so far, hope it'll help you, my advice is get a good supervisor.
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Yes truly agree of that. In fact, you really need a good supervisor if you want to pursue PhD (according to my supervisor who had the supervisor from hell when he did his phd). It's kinda a matter of life and death if you ask me.

My lecturer told me about this BrightSpark programme too, I recommend my friends who are doing their postgraduate research in UM to consider it, but they say there's a long list of terms and conditions.

 

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