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English Clubs Arsenal Street Talk, 25 August 2011 | 0240 | UDI v. ARS

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post Aug 14 2011, 02:33 AM

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Lol I wouldn't say this performance was unexpected. If it stays like that its going to be a long hard season.....
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post Aug 15 2011, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(jonathan1986 @ Aug 15 2011, 11:25 AM)
No, i don't need the chill pill. If you followed closely the whole saga, you will know this is a fking joke. Of course i know what is the buyout clause. Definitely, let me ask you back, Would the fkerlona sell fabregas for 35M pounds if the situation is reversed??? OH NOT TO MENTION 25M payment and 10M later on!? Go check goonerblog, if what they reported its true.. Apparently Rosell already released the details.

Also, im glad hes gone, like this gunner said in other Arsenal forum... but he sums it up quite well. Cesc can rot on barca bench.. never a legend, great service only. Period.
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Your argument is a little moot IMO. Don't forget that Fab would consider no club other than Barcelona and that affects his value significantly as well. Come to think of it 35m isn't a bad deal after all. The reversed situation would only be valid if Fabregas were to consider no place else but Arsenal.

We would no doubt have gotten 50 - 60 million for Cesc had Cesc kept his options opened triggering a bidding war. On the surface it appears that we have the power with 5 years more left on his contract but on hindsight it was actually Barcelona who was given the initiative by none other than Cesc himself as he wants to leave and considers no other club than Barca.

35m is decent business if you take the whole situation into perspective. Even if lets say if Real or City comes in with a 100m bid it will still be useless. We can accept the offer but Cesc himself could still refuse to enter negotiations.

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post Aug 15 2011, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(jonathan1986 @ Aug 15 2011, 02:24 PM)
Losing 25M? Descent? You serious? Yea Cesc would only bent for Barca.. but telling his Spanish lovers and media "the only club i will go next is Barca ONLY" really dont help... Like you said, it only blocked out healthy competitive bidders. Cesc should have kept his mouth shut, and let the club that groom him, which is arsenal, have the upper hand in nego. If not, then just play till your contract finish.. and before dont commit for long term if you really dont plan to stay long. Whatever it is, openly stating your preference of your future club can only be deemed as you trying to engineer a move away. Enough said.
and if this is true, it will be even more of a joke. the 10m add ons even depend on cesc's performance next season. Nvm bout the few Ms, really, just rot on the bench.
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And based on what we lost 25m? The way you are valuing Cesc at the moment without taking into account external factors is a joke.

35m IMO is quite a fair price like I mentioned considering he only and only wants to go to Barcelona. What Cesc should have done and not done is another matter altogether but fact is from Arsenal's perspective 35m is actually decent business.

Sure Arsenal can reject Barca's offer and ask them to try again a year later but have you considered the circumstances we would face for the rest of the season? Would you want a disinterested player playing half heartedly on the pitch? Would you want a disruptive influence in the dressing room? Another alternative is Arsenal can play hardball with Cesc himself and let him rot on the bench and reserves. But will you want to do that with a player who takes 120k a week from your wage bill? Just to play in the reserves?

QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Aug 15 2011, 06:31 PM)
It's never easy to squeeze more money from a deal where there's only one bidder and the player wants to leave. Sure, everyone would like a 80M windfall like C.Ronaldo's depature to RM but it's a different issue here. No other team would even want to join the bid war because everyone knew Fabs will not consider anywhere apart from his home team.
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Exactly.

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post Aug 19 2011, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(SilentSerpent @ Aug 19 2011, 12:16 AM)
waffak man, now looks like traore is going out on loan to QPR. nice. just fcking nice.

but he may have other plans, i guess. gibbs is doubtful. traore might be loaned. unless he wants to play verminator at LB, this might indicate he's buying...?

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If Traore leaves we simply have to buy IMO. And also that will spell the end of Traore's Arsenal career. Even with a shortage of defenders, left back in particular Arsene is still not willing to keep/play him. Pretty much says it all.
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post Aug 20 2011, 11:44 AM

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Guillem Balague says Chelsea are getting very very close to Modric and Mata. Well done Arsene. That is another boat we look to have missed. I was really hoping Arsene would just ask Nasri to feck off and bring Mata in. Oh well....
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post Aug 20 2011, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(ssmuhd84 @ Aug 20 2011, 11:54 AM)
I still believe that Nasri will extend his contract with Arsenal.
Since the departure of Fab, it could give him place to play as playmaker of which his fav position.
He just been influanced by the fxxk media.
Whatever is it, Wenger still need to select him, in order to give a big boost in Arsenal's midfield.
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If he does extend his contract then he has a long way to go to win over the hearts of Gooners once again. I am still a bit sceptical though about giving him Fab's position. His passing and vision obviously isn't half as good as Cesc. However he does offer something different where with his dribbling he could draw defenders towards him and take them out by leaving them on their backsides thus freeing spaces for other team mates but my biggest worry is his tendency to drift in and out of games or go completely missing. Happens too often for my liking. And I'm sure you won't want your play maker going AWOL most of the time.
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post Aug 21 2011, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(hakimix @ Aug 21 2011, 07:05 PM)
Just because Squillachi is old doesn't mean he's experienced. Why don't you list Silvestre too as he's experienced according to you. How many mistakes have Squillachi made that cost us?How many have we conceded last season? Does Squillachi improve the team? Ok Vermaelen,Nasri,Arshavin,Hleb and Eduardo is good buy but did he build on that? No, instead he put some weak players to play with those signings.

For goalkeeper position we are settled now with no Almunia and Szcesny as our goalie. Just have to cross fingers that he will be fit all season. Miquel is what? 18? Is he ready yet? I don't think so thus we need reinforcements at the back as clearly we don't have enough able bodies when the season drag on.

And that's just his signings. What about his excuses? What about his tactics? Can't even win Carling Cup, choke on February-April seasons after seasons and much more. Did he try to improve on that? Nope instead just hope for the best by playing kids and giving excuses when we lost. Even our top 4 spot which is his only ambition (and not challenging for title) are in danger now.
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I agree that old doesn't mean experienced but to say Squillaci is not experienced and Silvestre was not experienced is ridiculous no matter how you look at it. They have probably won more domestic leagues and been in more Champions League matches never mind in the finals than most can ever dream of.

You can probably argue they were past it when we signed them but to say they are not experienced is way wide of the mark.
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post Aug 21 2011, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(hakimix @ Aug 21 2011, 10:21 PM)
Ok so maybe I worded that one wrong but my point still stands. Is he as good as he was 7 years ago? Maybe he's already past it by looking at his performance last season. That's what you get when you buy based on price not on quality anymore.

Wenger is only successful during his first 8 years. Then what? The second 8 years as you can see we only have 1 trophy to show off. If you include those pre-season trophies surely you're deluded as it doesn't mean anything. But hey even we can't win the worthless cup this season right?


Added on August 21, 2011, 10:27 pm

Yea right just reward underachieving players with more money just like Bendtner and those youth players. And we wonder why they are not motivated to play. That's why our wage bill is quite huge even though we don't have that much star players to pay to. Then people said we have no money because of the stadium even though we sold all the houses in our former ground. Might as well stay at Highbury if Emirates is such a money-sink. Hey we can't even fill our new shiny stadium with people now so what's the use. No one want to watch kiddie tippy-tappy football that is just frustrating to watch.
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I think you meant more along the lines of experienced doesn't necessarily mean quality wink.gif


Added on August 21, 2011, 10:51 pm
QUOTE(HateFakers @ Aug 21 2011, 10:29 PM)
FYI Arsenal is the 3rd richest club in the world just below Manchester United and Real Madrid  sweat.gif
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Being third highest earner doesn't necessarily mean you're third richest in the world dude.



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