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post Aug 11 2011, 12:52 AM

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in again.

aiya.. reits already >10% of portfolio. looking to accumulate hektar. enough with arreit for now until it drops below my abp @ 85 tongue.gif
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post Aug 11 2011, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(CP88 @ Aug 11 2011, 01:22 AM)
Aiya. My abp price still at 0.92. You have a nice bargain at 0.85 rclxms.gif
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haha, at least we have the same reits thumbup.gif
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post Aug 11 2011, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Aug 11 2011, 01:01 PM)
I realise that I couldnt hold tight my reits for more than two quarters. *shame on myself*

No doubt the yield is OK (between 7-8% based on current price), but appreciation wise is slower than growth stock such as Maybank, Public Bank, Gab, Nestle, F&N, Bkawan, Lpi, Carlberg, Dlady, KLK, LPI, PPB, Bat, Jtinter etc.
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pana jie, i notice u type lpi twice. u must really like lpi tongue.gif
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post Aug 13 2011, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 13 2011, 12:42 AM)
Oh - STAREIT acquired the new assets for rental already? Hehhe - paiseh paiseh.. i gotta go check STAREIT's webpage  notworthy.gif
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im not sure, haven't been following stareit but last i remember they proposed an acquisition of 9 properties and so far completed one (Ritz Residences, maybe Hilton Niseko or Tanjong Jara next)

a sidenote, there was a major reshuffle n a couple of RPTs in the YTL group of companies at that period of time. and stareit still holds a chunk of starhill global reit. so the disposals were merely restructuring.. cash flow wise, shouldn't be that much affected.
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post Aug 19 2011, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Aug 17 2011, 11:12 PM)
Thanks jutamind and lytros for confirming and the detail explanation. Really appreciate them biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  Initially I thought, all the 0.86 cent will go to the IRB which if that's the case, then the dividend yield for SUNREIT will be pathetic. So now I'm all clear that they differentiate 2 categories of the total dividend.

Taking my entry price of RM 1.07 for SUNREIT. At 1.534 * 4 = 6.136 cents = 0.06136 cents of dividend per annum,

Thus, dividend yield = 0.06136 / 1.07 = 5.73 %.

Slightly lower than the EPF yield but of course higher than FD. Obviously, the calculation ignores the gain from capital appreciation which is irrelevant until you liquid the stock.
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Sunreit's yields .. well im sure u know, are way below par.

but their capital gains (in the past) are above par.

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post Aug 23 2011, 11:23 PM

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QUOTE(BrendaChee @ Aug 23 2011, 09:11 PM)
arreit declared dividend juts now....seems a bit lower than last year.

Profit also less. Anyone here know why?
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quoted here

The Trust’s total revenue for the current quarter ended 30 June 2011 dropped from RM16,824,586 to RM16,583,574, as compared to the same preceding quarter. Earnings before taxation also decreased from RM12,066,286 to RM10,903,339. The slight drop in total revenue was mainly due to an income of RM2,017,160 received as compensation from the compulsory acquisition of part of land of SEGi College, Subang Jaya by the Government during the preceding corresponding quarter.

The Trust's expenses incurred for the current quarter was higher by 19% as compared to the same preceding quarter, due to the higher term loan interest expense from the additional borrowing as well as the increase in the rate of manager's fee and trustee's fee from 0.30% to 0.60% and 0.04% to 0.05% respectively.

in short, their reason was last year's revenue was boosted by one off gain and costs have risen due to increase in manager's fee. mad.gif

on the other hand the valuation for their properties have risen (at least). rental revisions could be due.
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post Nov 16 2011, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 14 2011, 02:26 PM)
Already got good public transport nearby, I go to Pavillion via Monorail stop at BB Plaza.  tongue.gif Like I say, compared to CMMT (BB Plaza) & STARHILL Global (Star Hill, Lot 10), there are currently giving ~5.5% yield. So if Pavillion REIT is giving 6.5%, then the unit price will appreciate until the yield is similar, so 15%-20% capital gains. Just that we have to beware in the multiple things happening in 2013...  laugh.gif
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demm..
u have the same thoughts as me. applying for this IPO for likely capital gains of about 18% assuming it trades on a premium similar to CMMT/Sunreit
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post Nov 16 2011, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Nov 16 2011, 09:23 PM)
welcome back.  tongue.gif

but i won't expect it to surge up that much though.
because at cmmt and sunreit ipo price, yield is 7.2-7.5%.
but pavilion ipo price, yield only 6.5%.

say the reit price adjustment is to make the yield reach 6%,
for cmmt/sunreit case, 7.2%->6% => 20%. therefore their share price surge around 20%
for pavilion reit case, 6.5%->6% ==> 8%.
therefore, i estimate it can only surge 8% after ipo.

just my view.  laugh.gif
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thanks yok, nice to see ur still going strong flex.gif

good view smile.gif i took the target yield to be around 5.5%. greater premium hehe
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post Nov 23 2011, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(soongkm @ Nov 23 2011, 06:53 AM)
Hi everyone on this forum, i'm new to reit investment, at this stage i'm doing some fact gathering.

Can anyone comment on these questions:

1) If i bought a unit of REIT at RM1 and the dividend paid at the time of purchase is reported as 7 sen.  That means i have a dividend yield of 7%, is that right?

Yes, gross yield is at 7%, but net yield after tax could be different.

2)  For example, 2 years later, if the price of the unit of REIT that I bought at RM1 goes down to 80 sen, does the dividend paid is still at 7 sen? 

Depends, if it drops to 80 sen chances are the dividend payout has dropped so the price will equally drop to reflect the "market expectation" of 7% (if it used to trade averagely at about 7% yield). REITS usually trade according to some sort of expected yield.

3)  If the answer to question 2 is yes, then if i buy some more of that REIT at 80 sen per unit, assuming the dividend paid per unit is still at 7 sen, that means my dividend yield is 8.75%, is that right?

Assuming it stays that way, then yes if excluding tax.

4)  So it means if the price of the REIT goes down, and assuming the dividend amount paid is the same, then the dividend yield % goes up? Is that right?

Yep, its similar to bond price movements and playing style, you try to lock in a high yield (oversold/underappreciated price), and aim for capital gains on top of that.

I would appreciate if all the REITs sifu here can comment on my questions here.

Thank you.
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post Nov 23 2011, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(soongkm @ Nov 23 2011, 12:27 PM)
Thank you very much on everyone's answers!  Just one more question (to see if I understand all the explanations correctly):

So if i bought at RM1, and dividend paid is 7 sen, that means yield is 7%.  Then if the REIT price goes down to 80 sen, then my dividend paid will mostly likely be 5.6 sen (but yield still at 7%), is that right?

Please comment.


Added on November 23, 2011, 12:38 pm

Hi all Sifus, need further clarification on this:

So if I am looking for a fixed income cash flow every year, then will the price movement of the REITs affect my annual income cash flow?

For example:

If I invest RM10k (on 10,000 units at RM1 per unit) with a yield of 7% p.a, I get RM700 per year.

If 12 months later, the price of the REITs per unit goes down to 80 sen, (my capital invested will have a market value of RM8k), but will the dividend that I get paid stays at RM700 like the previous year?  Or it will be at 7% on the RM8k?

Please comment, thank you!
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Yep, yield is at 7%.
But your train of thought is a bit off. Dividend paid won't be based on the expected yield, but rather the price will base itself on the dividend paid.

So it all depends on the distribution per share of the REIT. If it falls or is expected to fall, then price will factor it in, and drop to reflect the new yield.

E.g.: 7 sen yield on RM1, sale of property results in drop to 5.5 sen yield. Price will be expected to fall to about 78 sen. unless there are other factors like proceeds from sales to acquire a super high yield investment, then price will move to reflect that potential instead.

Circumstances will also affect the premium of the REIT. E.g.: Sunreit and CMMT, both big names have a lower average yield because their demand is strong and people are willing to pay a higher 'premium' (sacrificing yields) to own the stock. Personal choice.

Hope it helps. smile.gif


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