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post Sep 24 2011, 03:01 PM

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good time having some potential REIT blush.gif

guess is like for divvy part only? sweat.gif

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post Sep 30 2011, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 30 2011, 02:10 PM)
Unit trust fund = equities = shares.

They are the same.

I do not why there are perception out there UT /= shares

You put money in UT, UT manager takes your money to buy shares.
UT = shares.
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assume that people thought they misunderstanding on the Unit Trust true meaning..

Unit trust is just passing your money to some "proffesional" people to invest for you.. buy shares for you...


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post Sep 30 2011, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 30 2011, 02:15 PM)
and charges you 5% + 1.5 annual management fee....  tongue.gif


Added on September 30, 2011, 2:16 pmand bare zero risk of losing money....  whistling.gif
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haha thinking of if u pay that 5% money for your own trading fees is better than let people earn your money.. laugh.gif

you could decide on your own.... sweat.gif

Panamy nice price... wub.gif
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post Oct 12 2011, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 12 2011, 12:10 AM)
I'm still waiting for Midvalley REIT lah!  yawn.gif
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midvalley got REIT soon? hmm.gif

HLE research paper...

Pavilion REIT plans on RM800m M'sian IPO
as soon as next month through a property trust. At RM800m, The Pavilion IPO would be Malaysia's fourth-biggest share sale this year, after offerings by Bumi Amada BHD, UOA development bhd and MSM malaysia BHD.


So what's in your mind?

interesting high interest yield counter? hmm.gif
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post Oct 12 2011, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 12 2011, 12:37 AM)
already talked about it years after years, still tak jadi.....yet. maybe those directors just purposely mentioned it to attract buyers to buy their company shares. yawn.gif
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mind to tell me which one is midvalley counter? lol..

never know that midvalley counter is exist.. doh.gif
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post Oct 12 2011, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Oct 12 2011, 10:24 AM)
I don't trust Pavilion, the shops there majority bleeding money.
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kinda agree, the tenant theres is keep changing.. close and close and close...

the buying power there is not that strong... hmm.gif

but guess that it won't affect REIT? since they are just only rent out the shoplet... and contract...
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post Nov 3 2011, 03:44 PM

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althought these days CI keep showing negative... REIT holders got no panic sell at all...

seems like it is a very defensive sector.. no matter how worst the market going..

thought can get some discount price REIT blush.gif
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post Nov 10 2011, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(yummydummy @ Nov 9 2011, 11:15 PM)
hi to all sifus

im still new but not gonna ask much because will do some research and reading by myself first before asking a bit more

need suggestion here..
got any best suggestion online platform..not too complex..

Hope u guys can help
really appreciate

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have you apply any bank broker service?

Bank will provide their own platform .. nod.gif
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post Nov 11 2011, 10:31 AM

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my first REIT.. ARREIT.. saw the dividend average 8%.. not bad
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post Nov 11 2011, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(jutamind @ Nov 11 2011, 10:55 AM)
ARREIT has been in the down trend for the past few months. does it indicate the future lower earnings from its property portfolios?
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heard the company lost his CIMB as tenant...

so guess that it will be in discount price? it still has a strong support at 0.85 hmm.gif
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post Nov 12 2011, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Nov 12 2011, 11:12 AM)
Arreits apparently made some mistakes to purchase some very low yield properties just not too long ago, now intends to sell out.

Don'T u think it is rather a poor decision of their management ?

Or rather it is purely due to some unforeseen circumstances.
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I can't understand about this bro.. blush.gif

Mind to share more?

From my understanding, if low yield property will generate high yield income.. guess it should be the advantage for them to hike up... Since the dividend yield is still around 8%.. if the price goes down.. how much it could go?


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post Nov 12 2011, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(robinlim @ Nov 12 2011, 12:34 PM)
Low yield properties means lower rental yield return from tenants of that properties
Hence income will be affected
I think that's what SKY taikor meant

I'm more concerned on the degree of impact on the income due to the loss of CIMB tenancy
If it's substantial and can't get back the tenancy in time
Income distribution will be affected
Hence resulting lower DY

I just bought ARREIT @ 0.865 btw due to price drop  sweat.gif
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notworthy.gif thanks for the answer bro..

hehee..

1 question.. why are you choose to buy ARREIT at first? hehee.. because of the consistent dividend yield that they provided? hmm.gif


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post Nov 13 2011, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 12 2011, 03:54 PM)
There are 2 type of gearing ratio out there, some using debt/equity, some using debt/asset.
We can't say which one is right, as both are right.  biggrin.gif

The more important thing to look at is the underlying of its properties portfolio.
The main risk come from its properties owned.

To answer your question, I would say MY reit mostly leverage is reasonable and yes, some a bit high leveraged,
But we have to consider some of them are giving about 7-8% yield.
So it is like reward vs risk.

The one low leveraged is Stareit, but some said not exciting, so there is always 2 front of opinion on leverage.

I use neither, 30% vs 50% in actual fact, sometimes, cannot conclude much out of it.
As long as they are not over-leveraged.

Why using debt/equity? But not asset?
Both set have their arguement, and both can be right as well.

The one over-leveraged one is individual owned properties.  laugh.gif
Consider a person earn 3-4k month with little saving/asset, but can get a loan of 200k. 
Don't know how many 100-200% leverage...  laugh.gif

I more care about how they are financing, how the debt level is and vs their properties portfolio.
If they are using little borrowing to buy poor quality asset, this is not good as well.
While if they highly leverage but owning prime location properties, then it is better than above mentioned.

If refinancing freeze, properties sector crash, cannot get tenant, both crashed together, but the one with prime property has better chance of survive.
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A person earn 3-4k is more advisable to debt/equity? As it is same with you are owning the property if you invested in REIT. Too bad I not even in the range of 3-4k.. I am in 2k range..

So actually I am more into debt/equity now.. Any advise ? Actually I got no debt.. but thinking to borrow loan to invest in REIT which can get me 7-8% dividend...

Actually this is just more look like you use credit card to swipe something you want.. But this is just apply on I borrow loan to buy REIT that I am interested in.. After I clear all the debt, the REIT stock are my passive incomes...

This might be stupid thinking.. But try to correct me please.. Learning stage.. Hope to get more ideas by reading all the senior comments.. to get a better path for my future.. notworthy.gif
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post Nov 14 2011, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(tohca @ Nov 14 2011, 06:46 AM)
That's an interesting thought. Yes it surely is great if we can all chip in our thoughts on this idea. Few things that come to mind is:

1. What is your cost of borrowing? What if the cost of borrowing go up (unless you are on a fixed interest loan)?

2. Repayment of your loan would usually be monthly, while dividends are at most every 3 months, some every 6 months. So how do you plan to service the loan?

3. While the reits so far have been quite consistent on their performance (yield), risk would be if your reit don't perform to  expectation.

4. Perhaps if you spread your reits to 4 or 5 perhaps it may lessen the risk. Or perhaps to buy some Singapore reits too to balance up, but then it may not work out if you need to withdraw your dividends to service your loan due to currency exchange losses which may be quite significant.

I am also thinking about this, but not sure if this venture will pan out. So guys, please share your thoughts.
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1. I have company bank who can offer me some low rate interest rate is around 5%.. It is a fixed loan..

2. If you plan to service the loan, you must at least have a stable income (salary) to pay your loan.. Every month like how you pay your housing loan, car loan, credit card loan. It is just like the loan let you owned something, after you clear all the loan. The thing owned by you.

3. I will mainly concentrate on MY REIT first.. SG one still not in concern...

hahahaa in my opinion.. I just want to pre-have something who will force myself to get something first... heheee.. one of the motivation who i can give myself.. work hard pay off the money then you owned it when I am 30years old plus?

p/s: I am still 21 this year.. hehhee tongue.gif 9years for a loan is just like how you owned your car! hahahaha


QUOTE(fuzzy @ Nov 14 2011, 09:42 AM)
1. You are right. It is probably the cost of borrowing. And since we are borrowing for investment, that means it is most likely a personal loan and I honestly do not think you will get a low low interest ones.

2. This. Monthly payment have to be taken into account thus one have to be able to service the loan, which means the amount that you can loan is also limited.

3. It is one thing for REITs not performing to expectations, one have to take into account what if they do not even give back enough to cover your loan + interest for profit. If you take away those and you only make say 1% profit, is it worth that risk to loan say, RM30K for make RM300?
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1. No matter the interest high or low, as long as it is affordable. I will grab it. Hehee.. Depend on your risk appetite bro.. blush.gif

2. Building is hard.. hahaha thats why I have to start from small wealth build too...

3. Okie, for this question.. Let's say if the REIT is not working good and keep on stable generate me above 6% above divvy.. I guess I will bear this risk and bet on it... tongue.gif


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hehee above is my stupid thinking.. any better way ? rclxms.gif you are welcome to suggest me...
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post Nov 16 2011, 10:13 AM

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wow.. ARREIT price hike up... -.-
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post Nov 16 2011, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Nov 16 2011, 10:16 AM)
I bought 1000 share of TWRREIT at 1.23, I also don't know why :/
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tower REIT?

hehee.. that one seems nice too cool2.gif
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post Nov 16 2011, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Nov 16 2011, 10:44 AM)
Ya, but at 1000 shares, bit no point right. The brokerage fee itself already put me in red lol.. but sigh, just hold it la..
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laugh.gif aiya.. bro.. this 1 is just like FD.. sikit sikit lama jadi bukit~~~ brows.gif

i also slowly collecting... tongue.gif
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post Nov 16 2011, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(simonc @ Nov 16 2011, 07:42 PM)
Would love to see REIT get designated. LOL
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you love to see everywhere designated... hahhaa new joke of the malaysia SC lol tongue.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 17 2011, 11:53 AM)
ARREIT 86c SOLD OUT liao

Now got money also cannot buy liao tongue.gif
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i bought at that price that day
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CMMT price in red... cool2.gif

nice oh blush.gif

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