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bryan5073
post Mar 7 2012, 07:33 PM

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Why do REIT stocks in Malaysia have such low volumes?

Is it a problem for you guys regarding liquidity?

Wanna start invest soon, and REITs seem like the safest stocks to start with.

I was told retail REITS (CMMT, SUNREIT, PAVREIT, HEKTAR) are the safest, what say you?

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post Mar 7 2012, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(jeenhao @ Mar 7 2012, 08:39 PM)
What I mean is, almost all (I think is all) REITs are raising price since last year Nov and Dec... I wonder if the price will drop later. My question is... Is this a good timing to buy REITs?
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I think during uncertain times, people tend to move their cash to safer assets, and reits are some of the safer assets. That's why they've been on the rise.

Plus some more, like somebody said earlier, reits have been under our local media coverage lately.

So perhaps these 2 factors has caused the rise in price of reits.

Correct me if i'm wrong
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post Mar 7 2012, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(jeenhao @ Mar 7 2012, 09:19 PM)
I think it's right... Sad that I didn't start investing last year... But I guess it isn't too late?  unsure.gif

Will the price increase in the near future?
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Haha beats me. I also haven't started to invest yet coz no $$$ sad.gif But i've been learning a lot wink.gif

I guess we really missed the the dip last August...

That was a great time to go shopping!
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post Mar 7 2012, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(jeenhao @ Mar 7 2012, 09:38 PM)
Let us buy some REITs now  biggrin.gif
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Haha sure, u go buy first la, I still need to accumulate some cash... sad.gif

Let me know how well they do wink.gif
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post Mar 8 2012, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(hmn @ Mar 8 2012, 08:37 AM)
Why 500units. You got free brokerage fee is it? wink.gif
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For OSK, the minimum brokerage fees is RM28 or 0.4% of what you gonna pay, whichever comes first. 500 units means only 5 lots, means the RM28 charged up front, it's gonna take some time for the stock to gain back the 28 for you...

QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 8 2012, 09:32 AM)
Everybody was panic sad.gif

I think many of us have stop-loss strategy, e.g. If price drops by 10%, sell!
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Sell then buy some more units at cheaper price! Right?

QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 8 2012, 10:52 AM)
Liquidity is still low, and size of reit is not large enough, not many investors know.
Unless one is talking about investing a few millions onwards, one should have any problem of liquidating for the liquidity issue.

There is not such thing of safest. All are subjected to different kind of risk due to individual properties sector and portfolio.
It is better to study briefly what are the properties they are holding, what is the gearing ratio etc. instead blatantly said safer or safest.  smile.gif
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Thanks cherroy, hope people gets more informed and excited about REITs, really like them. In terms of safety, I've checked that REITS have one of the lowest beta among all stocks, everyday move also move a bit only (unless there's news la) wink.gif
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post Mar 8 2012, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(apagranpa10 @ Mar 8 2012, 12:06 PM)
Sorry, as there's no one in this world could possibly time the market right 100%. So I took your question as "you will open an trading account with osk soon. Any Reits counter which is still worth buying/undervalue at this time?"
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So what do you think? Is there any?
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post Mar 8 2012, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(apagranpa10 @ Mar 8 2012, 12:26 PM)
Suggest to start from looking at those priced below their Nav. Which counter is more to personal preference.
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NAV = Intrinsic Value right?
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post Mar 8 2012, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(apagranpa10 @ Mar 8 2012, 01:17 PM)
Nav= Net Asset value. Derived from the property valuation of each individual Reit. You will hv to do more homework to get to the intrinsic value.
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I know how calculate Intrinsic Vale but dunno how to calculate NAV. They're more or less the same, right? I think NAV is given in most of the financial statements of the companies right?

By the way, between the 2, which is more important to look at for REITs?
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post Mar 8 2012, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 8 2012, 01:59 PM)
Dude - on an online stock trading platform, U shd be able to see NAPS (Net Asset Per Share).
IMHO, U can roughly judge whether a REIT's market price is at lelong by how much VS its NAPS
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IF market price $0.70 per unit of share VS NAPS of $1 = nice.. gimme gimme (assuming it's D/E is > 0.6 and ROE is consistently >7% to 8%)
IF market price $1 per unit of share VS NAPS of $0.50 = bah...
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Erm... Both my OSK188 and CIMB itrade also didn't show NAPS leh... What platform are you using?
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post Mar 8 2012, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Mar 8 2012, 02:29 PM)
HLeB
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Great...... shakehead.gif
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post Mar 8 2012, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 8 2012, 09:03 PM)
Why want to buy now? The price is high or stable. And div time is over.
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Ya wait till the market dip like last august wink.gif
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post Mar 10 2012, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Mar 9 2012, 02:17 PM)
OK, now  I understand  biggrin.gif

Net Asset Value = Total Assets - Total Liabilities

In many balance sheets, this number is equivalent to Shareholders' Equities; but in the case of REITs, it is known as Unit-holders' Fund.
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REIT is an Investment Trust so it's like a Unit Trust listed in the stock exchange, very much like Closed Ended Fund (icap). Correct me if I'm wrong tongue.gif
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post Mar 12 2012, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(apagranpa10 @ Mar 12 2012, 11:08 AM)
Should be more similar to an Open ended.
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But it's listed on the stock exchange wo, how can it be open ended leh?
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post Mar 12 2012, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(apagranpa10 @ Mar 12 2012, 04:50 PM)
biggrin.gif seriously i was not pulling your legs. i was confused too. rclxms.gif
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Haha. Open ended is usually for unit trust which have limitless units where managers can keep adding units to it. Closed-ended is for stocks listed on the exchange where the units is limited and it's subject to supply and demand. When less people want the stock, price will go down. If many people want the stock, price will go up. wink.gif
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post Mar 16 2012, 10:00 PM

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SUNREIT down 3 cents, CMMT down 6 cents. These two are the most steady REITs in the market. Does today drop indicate the increase of investors' risk appetite into riskier stocks now that global sentiment has improved?
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post Mar 16 2012, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 16 2012, 10:05 PM)
Not related, the price drop is just last min sales come in that send the price sudden downwards pressure.
Monday may go back up one.


Added on March 16, 2012, 10:06 pmIf sentiment improved, and worldwide economy improved further, reit price should go up, not down.
Economy good, property sector booming, good rental demand, better rental rate as well as appreciation in reit underlying properties value. Those are positive factor for reit price.
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Thanks cherroy. So now means that sentiment is not too bad and not too good, right?

Since somebody claim Sunreit drop in price is due to recent news which I assume is the refurbishment of Sunway Putra Place using 200mil, isn't it actually a good thing? Why price drop? Or it's just temporary? Don't understand market psychology... rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(gloryyan @ Mar 16 2012, 10:37 PM)
Sunreit needs lotsa money refurbishing its malls. Check the last few days' news
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But it's for the better future wo... I heard it's 200million right?
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post Mar 16 2012, 11:29 PM

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So, sunreit drop 3 sen coz need to fork out $ to refurbish mall while CMMT drop 6 sen coz will issue rights.

Jeez, don't anybody goes for long term value investing no more?
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post Mar 17 2012, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 17 2012, 12:05 AM)
Today drop is just a sudden last min move by some investors, do not take 1 day trend or price movement especially a last min move to conclude anything.
The drop CMMT of 6 cents is just a last min transaction, all day long it did not transact at this price.
Point taken blush.gif

So in the long run, if the global or local economic condition recovers (or at least no crisis), reits price will go up steadily right?

*Axis Reit were once RM1.++ and now it's RM2.7!

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post Mar 19 2012, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 19 2012, 03:36 PM)
Currently there are 15 Reits in KLSE

Just a funny thought, is there anyone here buy all the 15 Reits?

I did a quick calculation, it needs less than RM20k to have all (assuming you buy 1,000 shares each).

Which is better?

A) Buy all 15 M-Reits at 1,000 shares each, or,

B) Choose 3 Reits (could be more, or less) & focus on buying more later.
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I think buying all the reits would over-diversify already. It's against Buffett's philosophy already - too many stocks, cannot focus. Besides, buying so many reits at one go would cost a lot of entry fees (is this the right term? tongue.gif).

Minimum cost for CIMB is RM12 for one stock so RM12 x 15 reits = RM180!

IMO, focusing on the reits' industry looks like a better option, say if one chooses retail reits or healthcare reits, which are IMO very stable reits. Office reits, last time I read, aren't doin well coz occupancy rate is very low, especially in Klang.

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