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H.K. Lee
post Oct 9 2011, 02:47 AM

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guys..im totally new to all this investment stuff, still a student..but i have a question

why REIT instead of buying property and collect rent yourself?..i think you can avoid being tax for 10% by government, you own the property and you have the freedom to sell it at higher price. you also have the freedom to increase rent..for places like bandar sunway, you can easily squeeze 2k out of your tenants, and for low cost apartment (spectrum apartment), i saw people selling 160k (probably a leasehold)..my naive calculation (business not my major) estimate that's about 10-12% pa return..

the reason i can think of is low entry investment (lower risk) and more liquidity?..broaden my mind please, tell me what's the pros and cons..very interested since i have a few k to play around..

sorry if i've repeated the questions..

This post has been edited by H.K. Lee: Oct 9 2011, 02:54 AM
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post Oct 9 2011, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Oct 9 2011, 09:34 AM)
For me it's because of convenience and risk. I don't know if you've ever handled tenants or not, but it's a lot of work. You need to interview tenants, sign contracts, make sure they pay on time, make sure that they don't thrash your place, check to see that they pay their utilities bills and so on. If you get a bad tenant, you end up with a lot of trouble. Tenants can run away without paying rent, can damage your place. Non-paying tenants can be hard to evict etc.

As for risk, most people won't be able to afford more than a couple of properties to rent out. If you're having a hard time getting a tenant for a place for a few months, the hit you take on your returns is really bad. REIT companies will tend to have a broader range of properties, and so will always have at least some income even if some tenants leave.
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But dont you think the profit outweight the trouble you have?..of course there's must be a certain group that you would want to take as tenants (students, oversea students, or some working professional). plus people usually collect deposit of 2 months right?..i really haven't seen a real case before..

i agree with your second statement, because most people would buy a property using loan and hope that the tenants can cover up the loan..anything as long as you get positive cash flow..but i think that this type of investment should not go above a range..maybe 300k, i duno..because with this amount, you can always pool you money with your family and buy a few attractive places..

i don't mind the low return, since we are able to start it with lower investment cost, but i just dont like the fact that we have to pay tax for the earning when other people are happily collecting rent ever month..the gov should look into it because i think that's how the rich get richer..

and another thing, when the value of the property increase, you don't really earn the capital gain until they sell the property correct? so the question is, in what case you would be able to enjoy the capital gain? put it another way, in what situation do they will sell the property?

This post has been edited by H.K. Lee: Oct 9 2011, 10:08 AM
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post Oct 9 2011, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 9 2011, 10:29 AM)
Income/profit made from property rental also need to pay personal income tax one.
It is not tax exempted.

Pool money with family members? wait until dispute happens time, it is worst and complicated than reit.
This is not new, we can see many many cases brother, sister, even parent dispute with joint name property. Under joint name property, either one refuse to sign, the property is doom, cannot do anything.

I bet you haven't deal with tenant before.
Sometimes, depended on luck what kind of tenants you meet.
It is not the like rent out, trouble free, every tenant pay on time one especially those low cost one.

Working profession want to rent your low cost properties?
Shouldn't go beyond 300k?
what kind properties you can get with below 300K nowadays.

You need to maintain the properties, you need to pay the maintenance fee, lot of stuff, it is almost impossible nowadays to get a residential property that can have a net yield 10%, based on current pricing of property.
Commercial yes, may be, but not residential.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean reit is better than owning property yourself.
Both have its own advantage to the others.

Reit has one distinct advantage, you need money time, you straight away can get with 3 days, you don't need to do anything, sit back, wait pay check.
Owning property, has full control on the properties, but can be hassle.


Added on October 9, 2011, 10:35 am

You cannot avoid tax.
Rental income is not tax exempted.

Low cost 160k apartment can rent 2K per month? wow, this must buy then.

I only know 700k condo that rental is about 3-4k with fully furnished.
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i'm serious, come to sunway and ask the students here..but let's forget about it, it's just different in the investment style..

On the tax issue, if 10% is already accounted for, then personal tax is exempted right?..maybe i know what is the figure?..i don't understand how the gov will know exactly what is the amount you're earning from your property (they probably can check how you pay up your loan)..what if those rich people pay up in one lump sump?..

anyway, i read the news in thestar http://www.starproperty.my/PropertyScene/P...Scene/15494/0/0
so the singapore and hong kong REIT do not need to pay withholding tax, but people still have to pay personal income tax correct?..

and of course, my previous questions, when the value of the property increase, you don't really earn the capital gain until they sell the property correct? in what case you would be able to enjoy the capital gain? put it another way, in what situation do they will sell the property?




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