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TSrickyro
post Aug 6 2011, 08:50 PM, updated 15y ago

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Hey guys... Guess what happened to my Gen 2 today... The airbag just burst all of a sudden when I was trying to find parking LOL! It cut my finger a bit and there was loads of smoke inside after it burst.

I am really disappointed by the quality of the car to be honest. How can this happen!! I am grateful to be safe and sound after this accident.

Just a Proton Story of the Day smile.gif
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post Aug 6 2011, 08:52 PM

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ur car produced on which year?
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post Aug 6 2011, 08:53 PM

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how old is your car actually?
if it's old and u didn't recheck it regularly....it could either didn't deploy at all or like your case...pre-mature eject
most ppl dn't really care checking it since it's expensive
it's not the brand's fault...it's our fault for not checking it

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post Aug 6 2011, 08:54 PM

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why you didnt bring your gen2 for checking and parts replacement few months back? Proton got issue call back for proton gen 2 and savvy which have some issue on steering that might cause air bag suddenly pop out and hon faulty.

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post Aug 6 2011, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(SKY233 @ Aug 6 2011, 08:52 PM)
ur car produced on which year?
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I think it's 2005...

QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 6 2011, 08:53 PM)
how old is your car actually?
if it's old and u didn't recheck it....it could either didn't deploy at all or like your case...pre-mature eject
most ppl dn't really care checking it since it's expensive
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Since 05-06 like that... But I just sent it to Proton for service the other day... Don't think the check was done...
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post Aug 6 2011, 08:54 PM

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Ts, last time u kena recall to chg "clock spring" or not ? hmm.gif
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post Aug 6 2011, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(rifles @ Aug 6 2011, 08:54 PM)
why you didnt bring your gen2 for checking and parts replacement few months back? Proton got issue call back for proton gen 2 and savvy which have some issue on steering that might cause air bag suddenly pop out  and hon faulty.
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Oh really? Did Proton issue a Gen 2 recall?
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post Aug 6 2011, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(rickyro @ Aug 6 2011, 08:55 PM)
Oh really? Did Proton issue a Gen 2 recall?
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yes bro, recall has been made last year i think.

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post Aug 6 2011, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(SKY233 @ Aug 6 2011, 08:54 PM)
Ts, last time u kena recall to chg "clock spring" or not ? hmm.gif
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I don't think so... They just serviced my car by just changing the oil usually


Added on August 6, 2011, 8:58 pm
QUOTE(megahertz @ Aug 6 2011, 08:56 PM)
yes bro, recall has been made last year i think.
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But now that it has happened... Will they still entertain me? sad.gif

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QUOTE(rickyro @ Aug 6 2011, 08:55 PM)
Oh really? Did Proton issue a Gen 2 recall?
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http://paultan.org/2010/10/08/proton-gen-2...r-clock-spring/

Do read it here bro.
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QUOTE(rickyro @ Aug 6 2011, 08:55 PM)
Oh really? Did Proton issue a Gen 2 recall?
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ya.they got issue the recall for that "clock spring" .Even newspaper and lowyat.net got, too bad my gen2 is not in the list,you can check at proton website last time by key-in your car chassis number.
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post Aug 6 2011, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Aug 6 2011, 08:58 PM)
Too bad... I wasn't around that time...
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post Aug 6 2011, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(rickyro @ Aug 6 2011, 08:54 PM)
I think it's 2005...
Since 05-06 like that... But I just sent it to Proton for service the other day... Don't think the check was done...
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thn it's quiet old
and no ...proton dn't do the checking
because they also know it's expensive
if u really want to check...if they found have problem....would u replace??...it's very expensive
so that's why most ppl will just leave it like that..leave it to luck

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post Aug 6 2011, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 6 2011, 08:59 PM)
thn it's quiet old
and no ...proton dn't do the checking
because they also know it's expensive
if u really want to check...if they found have problem....would u replace??...it's very expensive
so that's why most ppl will just leave it like that..leave it to luck
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Oh, so even replacement of the clock spring will be at my own cost?
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post Aug 6 2011, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 6 2011, 08:59 PM)
thn it's quiet old
and no ...proton dn't do the checking
because they also know it's expensive
if u really want to check...if they found have problem....would u replace??...it's very expensive
so that's why most ppl will just leave it like that..leave it to luck
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Bottom line it is not the consumer's fault.
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QUOTE(rickyro @ Aug 6 2011, 09:03 PM)
Oh, so even replacement of the clock spring will be at my own cost?
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this one u can try your luck at proton SC...if still ok...they will exchange for free
since ppl above said have recall
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post Aug 6 2011, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 6 2011, 09:06 PM)
this one u can try your luck at proton SC...if still ok...they will exchange for free
since ppl above said have recall
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just made a call to proton and they said they will do it for me FOC
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QUOTE(ben83 @ Aug 6 2011, 09:03 PM)
Bottom line it is not the consumer's fault.
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it is actually
if the airbag is install in good condition...no recall...no problem
if it pre-mature deploy and didn't deploy at all
we could only blame ourself for not checking and replacing it regularly
if i'm not wrong airbag have an "expire date" as well...after 2 year(i think)..need to replace already
and it's RM2k each....do u want to replace it??
which is why SC didn't check it...and we just leave it....leave it to luck...if lucky, it will deploy when accident despite after the 2 years


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QUOTE(rickyro @ Aug 6 2011, 09:08 PM)
just made a call to proton and they said they will do it for me FOC
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including the airbag???...thn good...go for it

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post Aug 6 2011, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 6 2011, 09:09 PM)
it is actually
if the airbag is install in good condition...no recall...no problem
if it pre-mature deploy and didn't deploy at all
we could only blame ourself for not checking and replacing it regularly
if i'm not wrong airbag have an "expire date" as well...after 2 year(i think)..need to replace already
and it's RM2k each....do u want to replace it??
which is why SC didn't check it...and we just leave it....leave it to luck...if lucky, it will deploy when accident despite after the 2 years


Added on August 6, 2011, 9:10 pm
including the airbag???...thn good...go for it
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I hope so... Will bring it for a check on Monday
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post Aug 6 2011, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 6 2011, 09:09 PM)
it is actually
if the airbag is install in good condition...no recall...no problem
if it pre-mature deploy and didn't deploy at all
we could only blame ourself for not checking and replacing it regularly
if i'm not wrong airbag have an "expire date" as well...after 2 year(i think)..need to replace already
and it's RM2k each....do u want to replace it??
which is why SC didn't check it...and we just leave it....leave it to luck...if lucky, it will deploy when accident despite after the 2 years
Replace or not, pay or not, it is the customer's choice but it is the service centre's duty to inform.

The airbag problem of older Gen2 is known problem & Proton already announced the recall for 2008 and older models.

http://www.mmail.com.my/content/51622-gen2...o-recall-proton
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post Aug 6 2011, 09:25 PM

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Read my case;

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1636137/+1060
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post Aug 6 2011, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(ben83 @ Aug 6 2011, 09:23 PM)
Replace or not, pay or not, it is the customer's choice but it is the service centre's duty to inform.

The airbag problem of older Gen2 is known problem & Proton already announced the recall for 2008 and older models.

http://www.mmail.com.my/content/51622-gen2...o-recall-proton
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ya..this one got recall
but other brand like toyota and perodua sometime also got inform
but their user also didn't replace it cuz it's expensive and got report also it didn't deploy or pre deploy
each is around 2-2.5k each for p1 and p2...toyota ones are more expensive
which is why car theft like to steal it
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post Aug 6 2011, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(Conroe @ Aug 6 2011, 09:25 PM)
did they repair your Gen 2 FOC?
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 6 2011, 09:31 PM)
ya..this one got recall
but other brand like toyota and perodua sometime also got inform
but their user also didn't replace it cuz it's expensive and got report also it didn't deploy or pre deploy
each is around 2-2.5k each for p1 and p2...toyota ones are more expensive
which is why car theft like to steal it
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Now we are talking about Proton. Expensive or not, it is up to the customer to judge although for Gen2 it should be replaced for free.

Every 2008 & older Gen2 sent to Proton authorized service centres for car service, the airbag problem checking/replacement should be in the checklist. Otherwise we expect to see & hear more of this problem.

Of course there are customers that never send their Gen2 to authorized service centre for car service after warranty period, but this is a separate matter.
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QUOTE(ben83 @ Aug 6 2011, 09:46 PM)
Now we are talking about Proton. Expensive or not, it is up to the customer to judge although for Gen2 it should be replaced for free.

Every 2008 & older Gen2 sent to Proton authorized service centres for car service, the airbag problem checking/replacement should be in the checklist. Otherwise we expect to see & hear more of this problem.

Of course there are customers that never send their Gen2 to authorized service centre for car service after warranty period, but this is a separate matter.
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I just sent my car for service just over a week ago at Proton Service Centre. They only did some regular maintenance
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QUOTE(rickyro @ Aug 6 2011, 09:50 PM)
I just sent my car for service just over a week ago at Proton Service Centre. They only did some regular maintenance
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That is why Proton is not doing good enough to prevent more of such cases from happening on loyal customer's Gen2 (sending their car to authorized service centre despite warranty expires).
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QUOTE(ben83 @ Aug 6 2011, 10:00 PM)
That is why Proton is not doing good enough to prevent more of such cases from happening on loyal customer's Gen2 (sending their car to authorized service centre despite warranty expires).
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They just got to do a good job for me then...
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 6 2011, 09:31 PM)
ya..this one got recall
but other brand like toyota and perodua sometime also got inform
but their user also didn't replace it cuz it's expensive and got report also it didn't deploy or pre deploy
each is around 2-2.5k each for p1 and p2...toyota ones are more expensive
which is why car theft like to steal it
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2~2.5k is cost for replacement dual air bag?
how about if i just ask them to check? will be charge ?
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post Aug 7 2011, 01:13 AM

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Not too sure. Will keep you guys updated on Monday
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Aug 6 2011, 09:09 PM)
it is actually
if the airbag is install in good condition...no recall...no problem
if it pre-mature deploy and didn't deploy at all
we could only blame ourself for not checking and replacing it regularly
if i'm not wrong airbag have an "expire date" as well...after 2 year(i think)..need to replace already
and it's RM2k each....do u want to replace it??
which is why SC didn't check it...and we just leave it....leave it to luck...if lucky, it will deploy when accident despite after the 2 years


Added on August 6, 2011, 9:10 pm
including the airbag???...thn good...go for it
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its actually 10year and not 2 year sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

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QUOTE(rickyro @ Aug 6 2011, 09:38 PM)
did they repair your Gen 2 FOC?
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Actually i went to PSC once the recall is announced and they noted my car's details and told me that they need to order the part,once it arrived they'll call me to get it replaced but they didn't call me even after 3 months plus of my last visit.

During the 4th month,my airbag deployed by itself.

I guess for my case it's different from urs because i've already went to PSC and they've key-in my claim for order the part but my airbag successfully deployed by itself before they call me.It's clearly their fault.They have nothing to argue other than just replace all of the involved parts for free of charge.I didn't pay anything.

Since u didn't notice the recall and u've called a 3rd party mechanic to remove it,i'm skeptical whether they'll do the claim for u but i would just advise u to try talking with them.Gd luck.

QUOTE(rickyro @ Aug 6 2011, 09:50 PM)
I just sent my car for service just over a week ago at Proton Service Centre. They only did some regular maintenance
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I think u should blame on u first because u didn't even knew about the recall,it was on news,papers and few local automotive web/blog/forum.If u notice it,im sure u've voice it out on ur last service or get it done months ago.2ndly the mistakes on PSC as well for not being concern enough to check through.
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post Aug 7 2011, 08:19 AM

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Did your steering cracked once the airbag was deployed? If I were you, might as well install a steering without airbag. Other cars... airbag saves life but this... It might take away your life. Imagine the airbag being deployed when you're cruising in the middle of the highway. Seriously dangerous.
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Aug 7 2011, 08:19 AM)
Did your steering cracked once the airbag was deployed? If I were you, might as well install a steering without airbag. Other cars... airbag saves life but this... It might take away your life. Imagine the airbag being deployed when you're cruising in the middle of the highway. Seriously dangerous.
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This one so scary.. sweat.gif , sometime 10000:1faulty we cant avoided, depend on luck.
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QUOTE(Thrust @ Aug 7 2011, 08:19 AM)
Did your steering cracked once the airbag was deployed? If I were you, might as well install a steering without airbag. Other cars... airbag saves life but this... It might take away your life. Imagine the airbag being deployed when you're cruising in the middle of the highway. Seriously dangerous.
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I don't think ur suggestion make much sense.
It has been reported through the mass media that the clock spring (airbag rotary coupling) need to be replaced and TS unfortunately not aware of that.

Then how about those Persona/Saga BLM/Exora/Myvi users with airbags equipped?
Anything with defect need to be changed, apply to this case as well. Changing to steering wheel without airbag will not solve the problem.


Other brands did recalled their cars as well for quality issues, we couldn't blame the manufacturer if owner did not return to rectify the problem.
To TS, I'm not pushing all the blame to you as you not aware of the news but sometimes bad luck does happen and unfortunately it fall on ur head this time.

If it just clock spring + steering airbag alone, the cost of the 2 spare parts won't be above 1.2k.
The driver airbag alone only cost around RM950 in retail price, after discount it will be less than that.

If the service centre advisors kind and smart enough, they should be able to help you claim the parts.
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QUOTE(LittleBear @ Aug 7 2011, 11:48 AM)
Please refer to this thread: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1636137/+1060*

Read and see the comments posted by Conroe... As you can see, when the airbag was deployed, the steering cracks & the cracked hard plastic could possibly hit your eyes. Don't you think its risky & dangerous when the airbag is deployed that way?? It seems PROTON did not design the steering well to cater for proper air bag deployment.
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have u ever been behind the steering wheel of BMW tat his driver airbag deploy?

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QUOTE(LittleBear @ Aug 7 2011, 12:22 PM)
Holy shiat!!... even BMW have cracked steering when airbag is being deployed?
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every car manufacturer designing a car which is safe until god want to show what he can do.


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post Aug 7 2011, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(LittleBear @ Aug 7 2011, 11:48 AM)
Please refer to this thread: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1636137/+1060*

Read and see the comments posted by Conroe... As you can see, when the airbag was deployed, the steering cracks & the cracked hard plastic could possibly hit your eyes. Don't you think its risky & dangerous when the airbag is deployed that way?? It seems PROTON did not design the steering well to cater for proper air bag deployment.
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I was lucky enough that the plastic didn't hit other parts of my body. I think the airbag deployment was fine. I hope that my case is justified by proton and will give me a full repair to it. If not, I'll just install a racing steering with a horn and that is it

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QUOTE(LittleBear @ Aug 7 2011, 11:48 AM)
Please refer to this thread: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1636137/+1060*

Read and see the comments posted by Conroe... As you can see, when the airbag was deployed, the steering cracks & the cracked hard plastic could possibly hit your eyes. Don't you think its risky & dangerous when the airbag is deployed that way?? It seems PROTON did not design the steering well to cater for proper air bag deployment.
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There are so many possibility of how an accident occurred due to the impact direction.
Will steering wheel crack or bent? Does the legs of drivers actually bang the dashboard lower, steering shaft?

I guess you don't really know the car design well, and I dun think u shouldn't comment much by just doing some simple reading.

To TS, even new airbag/rotary coupling won't cost much, roughly 1k with installation?
Your life is worth more than that. You will appreciate the airbag if it deploy for good reason in the future. It may save your some teeth, a scar on the face, etc.
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QUOTE(LittleBear @ Aug 7 2011, 06:05 PM)
The airbag prematurely deployed there. No accident/impact was involved thus a steering wheel under proper conditions shouldn't crack like that when airbag is being deployed.
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It's all in the design of airbag to have a weak seem where it will split and break for the airbag to deploy, this applies to all airbag in all cars.

Please note the extremely short time frame that the airbag must deploy to offer it's protection, hence the force is great and given the method of deployment, plastic parts will fly...

Airbag is considered as a secondary safety feature, hence it's the last hope , a few cut on ur face is consider less damaging than a crack skull.



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