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post Aug 10 2011, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(livelifefull @ Aug 10 2011, 10:10 AM)
Wonder why people selling TZ so cheap at Iprop!!!! The Place at cyberjaya ady selling at rm530 per-sqft above for new development and not to mentioned about the sub-sale. I don't think TZ location is poorer than cyberjaya............
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Not everbody have holding power....
In fact i'm sure a sizeable portion of people buying zest are overseas property speculators. They will flip as soon as the property is completed. These people have no holding power, just looking to make a quick buck once the property is completed.

Sometimes even RM50k is enough for them to want to flip...
Further, the near and mid term economic outlook is bleak...
If this continues many people will lose their jobs and have no choice but to let go at whatever price...

So I pray the market crashes, people lose their jobs, economy tanks etc...then i go sapu....
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post Aug 10 2011, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(aramis888 @ Aug 10 2011, 06:57 PM)
I admire your optimism and your in-dept knowledge.
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I sense sacarsm...
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post Oct 4 2011, 01:16 PM

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I predict those that looking to flip/ cannot hold (or can hold no longer than 2 years) their Zest unit will not even see RM 400 psqft. Economic crisis is happening next year, new implementation of loan guidelines (based on net rather than gross income) and restrictions on owning 3rd property has already kicked in. Demand is already comming down and will continue to regress owing to the worse than expected economic outlook where another recession is very possible. Good luck to those that looking to flip/ cannot hold their uni....t
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post Oct 4 2011, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Oct 4 2011, 03:24 PM)
Holding power is not much concern for Zest.. bcos majority owners did not buy them more than rm350/sqft.. most bought between rm200 - rm300 /sqft...

Moreover, we are capable of putting 10% downpayment and servicing interest everymonth (as far as for me, I am servicing full payment everymonth).. currently we are servicing near to full amount...

I dont see fire sale on Zest...

For those low downpayment, DIBS and bought at high price, be worry for not able to flip..

Mati mati just rent it out cheap just to weather the storm..

if you r confident that your IM can sell at RM500psf.. I dun see y Zest cant go R400psf..
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i'm not talking about jew....I am talking about those who cannot hold....U think there is no property speculators for Zest? How you know? You did market research? I know a lot of people buy, buy, buy, but when comes to payment cannot pay/overleverage/need money for something else. 10% is nothing these days. Any tom, d*** or harry can come up with 20k.

FYI, USJ and Kinrara is different location and different market. One is matured, with ready built infrastructure while the other is up and comming....
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post Oct 4 2011, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Oct 4 2011, 03:38 PM)
No all TDC can come out with 20k... and I say Majority....

Well... Kinrara property doesnt look cheap to me...
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To speculators, what is RM20k when you can potentially make RM 200k? They will borrow the RM 20k + interest with a view to flip for the RM 200k.... Many also never factor in the impending 2012 recession....hence now get caught....they might want to unwind position a.s.a.p. even for modest gains....

Yes. Kinrara properties don't look cheap at all if you compare to USJ. Like I said, it is upcomming. If the development manages to live up to expectation, then all is well...if not then you will not get to see your RM 460 psft....
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post Oct 4 2011, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Oct 4 2011, 04:28 PM)
You say as though you really know how ppl did it with the 20k... good...
I glad you agree with me about Kinrara pricing... dont care mature or up coming... pricing in both areas are comparable...
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I know i would....
Comparable in what sense?
I said Kinrara is "up and comming" not yet the finished atricle yet. It carries more risk since it might flop. Where else USJ/Sunway is already developed. Pyramid is a runaway sucess, the collegues are raking in tons of students, the infra is already up and running....no wahtsoever yet for Kinrara...maybe in the future, "maybe"....no one can tell.....
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post Oct 4 2011, 11:31 PM

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Not to burst all yr balls but check out this sale for The Zest

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium_ForSale

Selling for RM 360k or roughly RM 324 psqft
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post Oct 6 2011, 11:56 AM

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what i'm trying to say is that you can sell for whatever price you want...you can even sell at RM 1 billion , it's up to you(it's a free market) or better still, form a cartel and tell every one of zest owner to sell only above RM 1 billion....but whether got people want to buy from you at that price is another story....
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QUOTE(ronn77 @ Oct 6 2011, 12:54 PM)
I think this mercury guy reminds me of his posting which he blast the SW thread claimed it doomed to fail and even those making 8k per household is not qualified to have good purchasing power and he's trying to sell his IM at ridiculous $100k above the market price. Wonder if he managed to sell his units now or still waiting for the very first call fm big fish?
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What i say makes sense. It's not to blast anybody and is taken out of context. That SW project doomed to fail is my personal opinion (and i'm still sticking with it) since someone ask if SW will suceed or not. Again, my statement is my opinion and my answer to his question.

For TZ, to summarize, anybody can sell their unit for whatever price they want. I can sell mine for RM 500k or you can sell yours for RM 2. I have also mentioned that those cannot hold on to their unit (Property speculators, people who overleveraged/people who need money, etc) will let go their unit at whatever price as long as he does not lose money. The example might or might not be of a person that is deperate to sell. That's all folks.
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post Oct 7 2011, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(gamenoob @ Oct 7 2011, 10:21 AM)
As much as I share the enthusiasm of getting max possible return, I just hope Zest don't end up like Endah Promenade... goreng to sky high by some owner and agent that at the end, went into correction that no one want to admit that see the price drop later with no buyer... and those buyer have shift attention away...

Other more fairer seller ended up cant sell their unit at a more appropriate price after the hoohaa...

Some of these agent are just trying to realistic and honest and asking such to ban them are nothing more than childish thought. You can be greedy but stay on the logical path.

So they have also learned a lesson on not making a one time kill...Its not good for your potential buyer if such history to repeat...
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Well said... those that still think they can "push the price up" by just yelling and screaming their prices, refer to the example above....

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QUOTE(hakon @ Oct 26 2011, 09:48 AM)
Imagine you going out to buy a mini Cooper. Then you join a club. And then all of you shiok sendiri and want to sell your cars for 500k each. It probably is too high but you are in a club and all of your are enthusiasts and each thinks that you want to get 500k for your cars.

Is that wrong? I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Why should the rest of the world try to comment and dampen your spirits. If the rest have nothing good to say, say nothing...
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ahahah. That's like saying if you see a group of people jumping off from the top of a 30 storey building, then you join the "club". And then you wait your turn and jump off a 30 storey building. And you see nothing wrong with that!!??? ahahahhaha this is the funiest statement to date.ahahaha thumbup.gif wink.gif


Added on October 27, 2011, 1:10 pm
QUOTE(Pos86 @ Oct 26 2011, 04:10 PM)
Pai,

I'm a firm believer in market forces but its disappointing to see certain quarters that are trying too hard to push the market beyond 460psf and some even resort to calling a ban and boycott of agents/sellers that are going below their "valuation". Such acts I despise to the core and I can see that most of the buyers are young and amateur speculators. There's no point in putting in a list of people who support the targetted psf - just let the market force do its job.

As I've said it before, this is quite a dense development and I can see a number of young IT Joes that are desperately trying to make a killing off this investment. If I were an owner of this, I'd be worried since there are a lot of young/immature investors in this, and it will only take a market turmoil to wipe them out. Once IT Joe loses his job/retrenched, with sky-high BLR and maintenance fees to pay, will he be prepared to cushion this fallout? Remember, its 720 units.

Just some points to ponder. Don't intend to hurt feelings. Thanks.
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Don't worry. As far as i know, valuation for property also depends on the last transacted price of property within the vincity. SO e.g. if someone sucessfully bought a unit of Zest at RM 380 psqft from some poor smuck who need to sell urgently (willing buyer - willing seller basis), the valuation of RM 380 will be used as a bench mark, plus minus. Plus don't be fooled by them into believing that there are no property speculators/ flippers in the Zest. There are more of them than you think you know. These people will sapu a few lots and upon VP will let go even for only a small profit because they have quantity.

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post Nov 1 2011, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(Pos86 @ Nov 1 2011, 11:04 AM)
Covillea,

I'm devastated by your comment. If you may please trace back my comment about certain quarters that are try so hard to push up the price of this property, and some resorting to name calling and ban all the agents / sellers that are selling below the targetted psf.

People posted negative views? Running down the Zest? You mean people that disagree with your outrageous target psf? Grow up a bit. You really sound like an amateur joe desperate for a kill in the currently hot market. Genuine investors will believe in value and would not be shaken and in turn, make such silly comments about people having hidden intentions.
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Zest owners must think there are many "water fish" in M'sia who will just blindly hand-over their hard earned money to buy their over-priced condo. I say let them be. Just don't listen to them and don't even bother buying any of the Zest condo. There is A LOT OF ALTERNATIVES around which will give you MUCH BETTER YIELD both in terms of rental and capital appreciation. For own stay i recommend you buy the older double storey terrace house in BK 5 for around the same price (or maybe cheaper if you can nego). At least there is room for capital appreciation and its landed. I really find them amusing....so let them drive the price up however they wish...but just remember don't play their game, as i mentioned there are a lot of alternatives and as buyers you are KING!!! Not them!! They play on your terms, not the other way round... doh.gif
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QUOTE(Pai @ Nov 1 2011, 02:39 PM)
My exact thoughts..........well except for Tmn Desa........  wink.gif
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I tot you have vested interest?
You should be rebutting what we say, no? Or flame me?
Or are you the more sensible one? wink.gif
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QUOTE(darthvest @ Nov 1 2011, 04:52 PM)
I think Puchong area has more young graduates (local ones especially) looking for home to stay, not so many expats.
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Local grads stay wif parents...wanna buy property also parents will advise to buy landed not high rise coz landed appreciates more....although more expensive but local grads got parents to help pay downpayment.....
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QUOTE(wee1030 @ Nov 1 2011, 04:53 PM)
The time will come definately !!

yr 2009  : ~RM230 psf
yr 2011 Oct : RM420 psf

= 5.5 psf/month

so mathematically (450-420)/5.5 = 5.5 months !!!

Does it really so hard to reach ?? tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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LOL...why stop at RM 420 psf. Da Men is selling for RM 700+ psf during launch. Zest should also be the same. So should sell at RM 700 psf so RM 700 X 1100 sqft for std unit = RM 770k....
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QUOTE(Covillea @ Nov 3 2011, 10:49 AM)
instead of looking at target market, we can look at it from a different perspective:

can we buy a similar condo like the zest at RM420 psf - RM460 psf at the same location?

even new terrace houses at BK 9 is selling at RM750k - RM800k.

cost of houses have really gone up significantly.
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Can. Zen, Atmosfera, OUG got another few developments all below RM 420 psft.

No need buy new terrace. Old terrace only cost RM 400k. Add another RM 200k renovation and you have a spanking new house still cheaper than new development.


Added on November 3, 2011, 11:01 am
QUOTE(Covillea @ Nov 1 2011, 06:06 PM)
guys, why is everyone arguing it's expensive?

already hsbc & ocbc willing to give rm420 psf valuation, so why's there still a debate?

are we saying the valuation is wrong?
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Bank value at that amount doesn't mean people will pay that amount.

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QUOTE(mrPOTATO @ Nov 3 2011, 02:56 PM)
Ok, help mercury shop for his dream property.. here is a bargain, Save rm200,000 from yr 600k budget smile.gif

user posted image

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...k_House_ForSale

only rm330,000 & FREEHOLD !!
My colleague said its ugly but u only spend rm100,000 CASH on renovation to pretty it up !  biggrin.gif 

What u get ...

14 x 55
Kitchen extended
770 sf
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1. http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...k_House_ForSale. This one lar. Put another RM 200k in and you have a spaking brand new one.

2. All i'm saying is if they are prepared to pay that kinda amount i.e. 460 psqft there are so many other choice, not necessarily bandar kinrara.

3. Zest for own stay ok. For rental is gonna be a big problem. You will have to compete with rental of double storey house (in rental terms which is much cheaper than Condo), Bukit Jalil condos (Savanah, Vista Commonwealth, etc), Puchung (Setia Walk, etc) in addition to each other (720 units). As such I can see the rental market is very competitve and population of Puching, although big, are not known to be a rental heaven (like MK, Damansara, etc). Meaning most residence in Puching are mainly home owners not renters. As such many units will be empty.

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QUOTE(mrPOTATO @ Dec 11 2011, 10:28 AM)
Wah, many owners here frm overseas, looks like many capable & accomplished residents here next time. Livelifefull, u r the king of the road haha...
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This is actually not a good thing. Many owners frm overseas means many rental advertisement will appear. Many rentals advertisement apprear means more chances of africans and middle eastern people comming to live. Hece bringing the prestige and value of the peoperty down.....
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QUOTE(wee1030 @ Dec 12 2011, 04:11 PM)
real bargain and fact transaction is 2 diff at the end..... biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  u go petaling street buy thing they also say real bargain but at last u will get the real price !! there is not fault to push to 460 psf as buyer will ask for lower price. But honestly saying from the photo of patato taikor the Zest has very nice looked and colour scheme. The only 2 things to worry is the quality of build material and how the maintainence down the road.. for flipper then this 2 factors is not their concern la.
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Flipper all separuh mati now. Banks only can lend against NET income plus the borrowing cap on 3rd property really killed the market. Property flippers are shaking in their pants now....
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QUOTE(eugene jk @ Dec 12 2011, 05:51 PM)
dont think flippers are heart sinking, as Zest was not bought at ridiculous pricing.... if were to hold abit longer, still managable.

looking at the delay of SW, others almost complete props are atmosfera, koi and zen (no news), there is still hope for subsale.

mind explain how the NET income plus work and affect the subsale?
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Banks now base homeloans on NET salary as oppose to GROSS salary previously. Means less and less people will qualify for loans (due to high expenses and other commitments especially investors) hence less and less people are incline to buy subsale properties especially with no waiver in S&P, Stamp Duty, etc.

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