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post Aug 10 2011, 03:20 PM

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some results.. but not really usable I guess..

Note GT555m is 144SP/128bit type B2

Crysis 2 (Very High, 1366x768):
GT 555M: 41.6 FPS
HD6770m: 40fps

Call of Duty: Black Ops (Ultra/Extra, 1920x1080, 4xAA, 8xAF):
GT 555M: 42.9 FPS
HD6770m(1366x768) : 60fps

Mafia II (High, 1366x768, 0xAA, 16xAF):
GT 555M: 45.9 FPS
HD6770m: N/A

Starcraft 2 (High, 1366x768)
GT 555M: 46.4 FPS
HD6770m(1920x1080): Min:30s, Max 50s

Metro 2033 (DirectX 10, 1366x768, normal, AAA, 4x AF)
GT 555M: 39.2 FPS
HD6770m: N/A

Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (High, 1366x768, HBAO on, 1xAA, 4x AF)
GT 555M: 41.3 FPS
HD6770m: N/A

Need for Speed: Shift (All on/High, 1366x768, 4x AA, Tri AF)
GT 555M: 55.3 FPS
HD6770m: N/A
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post Aug 10 2011, 03:26 PM

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comparing AMD to Nvidia..

AMD is very overclockable.. thats why there is a big difference..

I wish to get stock results thou..
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QUOTE(jammerlee711 @ Aug 10 2011, 03:31 PM)
but apart from heat..overclock don't really have obvious downside ~ so, why not?
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going over factory default.. there must be a reason behind they do it this way?

overclock, heat, power consumption, reduced lifetime? hardware stress?
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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Aug 10 2011, 03:50 PM)
you mean why manufacturer set it to lower clock speed?

When manufacturer make a GPU / CPU of the same class (for example 5650, 5730, 6550, etc all with same SP), they are all made alike. They do internal benchmarking, those good quality chip will end up having higher default frequency. Make sense to reduce cost as well.

However, over the time of making the same chip, the process improved. Each chip can therefore run at even higher clock speed. But because there are still demand for low-end chip, they cant stop producing it. They cannot simply role out 5650 at higher default clock speed, although in many case it can run at 5730 speed. So, they still stick to its default clock speed.

Clever users _will_ take advantage of this. Not-so-clever user stick to its default.

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hmm.. I doubt current chip qualities are getting better. This factor is barring me from doing OC. and with the temperature in Malaysia, it just provides more heat.

For AMD's R&D strategy, they roll out low end chips and start building it up higher end ones. The quality of chips are supposedly getting better but no one knows how much they can take so they're built with reduced clock due to the fact its built in smaller chasis to accommodate the heat and power draw. I do OC my HD4570 too last time but it has its limits and one of my friend follow mine and his burnt but luckily still in warranty. sweat.gif

Nvidia's R&D strategy, they roll out high end GC models and slow downgrading into lower end ones. So most of the time the chips have their best potential and minimum OC chance. This would explain why your HD5650 can OC into as much as GT555m speed.

So I prefer to stick to its default if possible. Only OC when needed. Thats is why i prefer to see stock benchmark results rather than OC'ed results.. I wouldnt wanna stress my GPU all the time OC'ed to its max potential. Rather I'd like it to run at a safe margin let it last longer.

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Aug 10 2011, 05:28 PM)
How many laptop u've switched in the past 6 months?  laugh.gif
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laugh.gif I have some real good laptop history to start with for the past years..

idk, But as far as switching em, as long as I dont rugi but I get extra performance. Who would mind? rclxms.gif



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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Aug 10 2011, 05:34 PM)
there is absolutely no proof to say OC will shorten the life-span of your chip. it produces more heat, yes, but if you system can take it, there is absolutely nothing to worry about.

how do you know if your system can take it? monitor the temperature! if you are constantly getting 90C or so, please dont OC.

if not, there is really nothing to worry about.

all these unknown fear of OC are senseless. tell me how a chip/laptop will have shorter life-span if the temperature is still low after OC?  shakehead.gif

anyway, again, if you don't know what u are doing, please dont OC...  cool.gif
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You sound as if overclocking has no effect on systems at all. I've done it the correct way but I did not get any problem but unfortunately, GPU burnt happened to my friend. It depends on luck you see. Your system is designed to run on its on temperature. Therefore, they tend to set a safer margin for users. Only advanced users tend to breach it and maximize its potential. There is a risk in doing so and its lucky you have not had problem.

The way I see it. Overclocking stress the chip more for the way its designed. When they limit it to that core clock, I'm pretty sure something is done on the chip itself. Marketing strategy. I dont understand why they would wanna roll out lower end graphics when they're all based on the same chip and capable of achieving higher end speeds. From factory chips are produced and not all are identically same. Im sure AMD or Nvidia did testings on the chip before assembling it and setting up their clock speeds. And from there, I see good chips get to handle higher clock speeds while not-so-good ones get lower clock speeds. And from there comes out the variant.

I did some OC on GTX260m on G51VX before. I end up having artifacts and GPU failure. Bluescreen everytime I tried to play game. But lucky again its still under warranty. You might say Im not doing it right? But I have had stable performance and problem free until 1 month plus later it started. I guess its just my bad luck again.

Like you've said.. How do I know if my system can take it? While same question goes to you.. How would you know if your system can take it? and how long can it last?

For me, I guess its more of a luck.. if you OC but you dont get problem. Means you've got a good hardware. Whereas some people just get faulty laptops upon purchasing

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rather then laughing your ass off to my stupidity, why not provide some useful info for me to learn eh? whistling.gif

p/s: you have agreed to transfer 2k for me right?

Lee can be witness for it. lol.
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post Aug 10 2011, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(cowithgun @ Aug 10 2011, 06:55 PM)
How can it got burnt if watch over the temperature?
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Its around 80 degrees IIRC.. IDK man.. its running prolong 80 degrees causing it to burnt? bad chip? You tell me

I dont see cases where GPU is burnt right away after overclocking. It only happens after usage..

QUOTE(cowithgun @ Aug 10 2011, 06:55 PM)
This is precisely what I tried to explained. Those lower end chip is the SAME chip but with lower default clock and voltage. It's hard to design a new chip and expensive to manufacture different chip for each model. So, all chip with same SP are basically same chip. They do the testings like you say, higher quality chip will run at higher speed. Keep producing the same chip with same nanometer (nm), the process became mature. More % chip will be able to run on higher frequency. But will nVidia or AMD simply stop producing 540M and produce only 550M? No, they will still produce both.

That is why some lower end card can run at higher frequency and stable.
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Even producing the same chip with same nm, the chips will not be perfectly tuned to the speed wanted. Therefore, they tone down to lower frequencies which leads to lower end graphics. But when you OC, do you risk having the chip over-work and result in problems?

QUOTE(cowithgun @ Aug 10 2011, 06:55 PM)
Artifacts and BSOD are indication that you should not run it at that frequency. Lower it. Why it was OK 1 month ago? Beats me, graphic drivers? Games? Temperatures? Voltage? People are getting artifacts, BSOD even if they not OC.
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Artifacts and BSOD did not occur for the first month. Again, I have no idea why it would work for the 1st Month but fails me after that. I dont recall upgrading its drivers. Temperature wise, you should know GTX260m dont run cool? for me case averaged around 90 degrees. sometimes it reaches 100 degrees which I'll then stop gaming. This leads me to thinking that OC does have prolonged effect, its just a matter of time when it start showing problems. Like wise People do get artifacts, BSOD even they dont OC. Luck is not on their side. Unfortunately, I OC-ed my GPU and problem arises. I guess you cant really blame me for that. Its becoming a subjective matter for different users.


Added on August 10, 2011, 7:32 pm@cowithgun

I think its kinda pointless we argue. laugh.gif

We had different experience and our thinking is kinda diff. No point telling each other whos right or wrong? We both have our own stand.

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QUOTE(jammerlee711 @ Aug 10 2011, 08:50 PM)
@smon:
we are in the same budget level...want to get great laptop but only want to pay the least money

@cowithgun

i like the"Again, you are speaking without any logical explanation." =P
i wish to overclock my gpu but i don't know the trick ...can teach??
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use MSI Afterburner if you wish to overclock..
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post Aug 10 2011, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(simon3041 @ Aug 10 2011, 09:13 PM)
and of course show me the score for gt555m b2 version...  laugh.gif  after oc it...
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I do not have GT555m with me eh bro.. haha.. why not you sponsor me then I show you?
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post Aug 10 2011, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(simon3041 @ Aug 10 2011, 10:09 PM)
hahaha lol.. wait someone do it...  laugh.gif  hahaha... my wallet is too thin lol..  laugh.gif
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my wallet thick.. but all hutang and receipts.. haha..


Added on August 10, 2011, 11:23 pm
QUOTE(htpkevin @ Aug 10 2011, 10:38 PM)
if ask for sponsor why still ask for GT555M hehe, ask something at least GTX460m hehe brows.gif
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I shall be modest.. GT555m is good enuf.. I wouldnt mind a GT540m also.. haha

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post Aug 11 2011, 08:44 PM

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Malaysia sets all come with subwoofer priced at 2799 with i5 proc, 3699 i7 proc and BD Rom
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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Aug 11 2011, 08:35 PM)
^ I thought u need topup RM200 for that. hmm.gif
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If you are referring to my price speculation. Its wrong.. tongue.gif


Added on August 11, 2011, 8:49 pm
QUOTE(cynical66 @ Aug 11 2011, 05:22 PM)
Ladies & Gentlemen, Boys & Girls, Children of all ages..

I proudly announce to you (for those dunno if already out anot)..
N45SF-V2G-VX013V(Black) Intel i5
- RM2799
N55SF-S2043V (Black)
i5  - RM2799
N55SF-SX047V(Black) i7 - RM3799
IS OUT NOW AT IPOH!!!!
Just got price & spec from my supplier
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which shop can see see eh? got display units?

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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Aug 12 2011, 11:08 AM)
yapu... how u knw?? @@
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There is prob only one famous Uni in Perlis which is UniMap? or UUM only..

I have a few friend there too..
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post Aug 12 2011, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Aug 12 2011, 11:39 AM)
UUM at Kedah


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Yea!If the price is really can drop til tat level,i gonna dump away the deposit i paid to the shop.
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Techhypermart sometimes sell stuffs really cheap.. its a good website to check out.

They sell HP carepacks at a very low price.. prob lowest I've seen.
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QUOTE(AlexLai @ Aug 13 2011, 10:35 AM)
I'm getting an Choiix AirStash instead.
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Nice cooler with HDD dock rclxms.gif

performance tested?
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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Aug 13 2011, 12:07 AM)
I'm planning to mod my U2 with 2 Artic cool F-12 fans (suggested by AlexLai) hehe~
Wanna try too? The cooling will surely be better~
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artice cool F-12 Pro?
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post Aug 13 2011, 11:11 AM

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I think Redcom is pretty good in their stock.

And in Ipoh, You need to know which shop to go other than yik foong..

PC depot is a good choice as well..
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QUOTE(Duckies @ Aug 13 2011, 11:36 AM)
Haha..if N55SF stock comes before i go back to USM then i buy lo,if not N53SV  smile.gif
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YikFoong has a Asus Booth, they are quite updated. Did you try asking them?
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QUOTE(Duckies @ Aug 13 2011, 02:36 PM)
Where?I know Redcom got 2 shops..one selling hardwares and 1 selling notebooks but i didnt notice the Asus Booth.But i dont prefer to buy from Redcom or Pcdepot.No bargain one when i bought my gaming rig casing last time.
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I dont rmb if its 2nd floor or 3rd floor.. its at a corner in between the red com shops. Its authorized Asus seller. Its not really a shop but more like a big booth that displays all asus products.
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Its definitely a SATA III supported lappy.

Its intel's sandy bridge comes with HM65 chipset supporting SATA 3

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