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post Dec 11 2005, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(Pix @ Dec 11 2005, 02:38 AM)
great review ! and at least you're giving cons..! most ppl who just bought an amp will be giving only pros, they're so biased...

thx !
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QUOTE(chapree @ Dec 11 2005, 02:55 AM)
Awesome review man!
Hope you can post more, when your collection grow!  thumbup.gif
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thanks pix and chapree! well I was just being honest about how I feel about my purchase.. and that's what reviews are for, no?

QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Dec 11 2005, 02:59 AM)
Great review nerd! But I have something to point out.

I think you are missing the point of tube amps when you say that the clean channels are too soft. For me I love the clean sound where the valve starts to breakup, so perhaps you should try pushing the gain knob a bit and see if you like the sound too? Otherwise try the Boutique amp model, I think that's the "cleanest" of all amps modelled and won't 'breakup' easily. thumbup.gif
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Thanks! smile.gif

Well that was my initial experience, max gain with Clean Boutique as most of the time I'm using the Mesa or JCM800 modeller.. so I have experienced that breakup sound at loud volumes. I don't like the sound it produces. smile.gif

As for the clean boutique, it's clean but still gain-ey at max gain. But I'd say it's the best clean sound along with the Tweed amp. I'm using Tweed as my main clean sound now, like the bluesy feel to it. smile.gif

QUOTE(Pix @ Dec 11 2005, 08:05 AM)
ledzep, you like CLEAN sounds when the valves start to BREAK UP ?
for me (and many others), that's called CRUNCH.
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it's true i don't really understand how a clean sound is "SOFT". You mean the attack of the note is not dynamic enough ? Or the sound is just too low ? Because with 30W, you can't have a clean (with unbroken up valves) sound very loud... just live with it. As long as it is good, it doesn't matter if it's not loud...
I tend to play 90% of the time using the lead channel, modifying the amp gain and the guitar tone & volume when needed. I don't care much about having a clean channel actually... unless i'm using my pedals (which i'm not so far... too lazy). I'm just fine with a slightly crunched tone instead of pure clean bright channel.

(note for nerd : never agree with LedZep, even if you're doubting tongue.gif tongue.gif )
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Yeah it's crunch indeed. But crunch is not my forte. wink.gif
When I mean "soft" it means that the overall volume, it sounds too low. the note dynamics are pretty good, excellent even.
Pix, so are you saying it's normal to have a lower volume on cleans on a tube amp? But I haven't really tried it at maximum volume and maximum output (at the power selector) but I think the sound should be fine. It'd better be coz if I get a gig in college this amp will be my companion.
Yeah I play 90% lead too.. as my main songs are Metallica. But I'm also planning to learn some clean songs with this.. that's why I prefer a clean bright channel. smile.gif

This post has been edited by nerd: Dec 11 2005, 09:27 AM
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post Dec 11 2005, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(nick_drake @ Dec 11 2005, 10:44 AM)
u can't avoid that little overdrive on the clean channel, cause vox meant it to emulate the way the amp works in real life. well, playing a clean amp with the gain maxxed isnt really ideal. but then again, setting the gain to a point where everything starts to clean up, will result in a softer sound , relative to ur other hi gain setting.

yes, i do experience this, but i was nvr really too picky on my amp. seldom bother abt a really clean channel too, and i do like the raw crunch and overdrive biggrin.gif .  (nerd, don't listen to this, u'll be fine with that clean setting)

so, only 3 of us got ad30s? i thought they were poised for world domination.
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yeah I guess so. but I'm cool with it. I saved a preset with my favorite clean, the tweed with the treble and midrange turned up and bass and gain turned down.

I think they won't be poised for world domination until they add the Roland Jazz Chorus and a dedicated clean volume control tongue.gif

QUOTE(Pix @ Dec 11 2005, 12:14 PM)
nerd... i don't really understand... you put a lot of gain on your clean setting,  but low volume ? that should be the opposite : volume knob at maxxximum, and then you only increase the gain so you have a decent overall volume.

furthermore, don't say your amp is a tube amp because it is not true : your amp is a solid state amp with a tube in the pre-amp section. breaking up that particular tube is OK for more distortion (that can be discussed), but for the cleans and crunch, it is usually agreed that it shouldn't breakup. (in a tube amp, the tubes that are meant to break up are the ones in the power amp section). The main impact of your tube in the preamp is to provide a good and warm dynamic attack (here also, that point is subject to discussion..). Actually I don't care about theory, i'm totally turned on by my Line6 Pod, so I'm convinced your amp is Da Bomb too !

tweed amp should modelize the sound of the Fender Bassman, Fender DeVille and Peavey Classic... way to go, dude laugh.gif
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I never said mine was a tube dude.. I just asked about the softer cleans on tube amps generally in my previous post. smile.gif .but then the AD30 does share the characteristics of a tube like what drake said. It's a tube preamp stuck in the poweramp section. So it has that break up at high gain on the clean channel.

Yeah I made a mistake, what I really meant that, when I just bought the amp, I maxed out the gain and straight away changed to a clean amp and found the distortion. After much tinkering and with drake's help, I managed to tinker around and find a clean, usable amp. BUT.. the overall volume is still pretty low. And THAT's my main gripe about the amp. smile.gif

And yeah, I think my amp is Da Bomb too! tongue.gif

QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Dec 11 2005, 12:27 PM)
Well, for me crunch also refers to the sound a cranked Marshall produces, crunchy clean is what I call it. thumbup.gif

nerd, yeah it's strange that they didn't model the Roland Jazz Chorus too. The Roland Cube has an amazing clean channel. thumbup.gif
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Yeah that's what I heard too.. but then you gain some you lose some I guess. At least at that price.


Okay that aside,

Today I really got to test the true colours of my Vox AD30VT. I brought it to a jam session in my cousin's house in Taman Tun. He lives in a bungalow so we could just crank up the damn volume. I played the Vox with all the volumes maxed, and the voltage selector about 1-2 bars from max. Hell yeah, we created havoc.

My cousin has his LTD MH-50 hooked up to a Zoom GFX-5 and a Kustom KLR16 and I must say, it really stood on it's own against the Vox. Impressive lineup. Very impressed with the Zoom mainly. It's wah effects are really awesome and the modelisation is really good. Okay, we're here to elaborate the Vox not my cousin's setup. tongue.gif

So anyway, with those settings maxed above, and my MH-50 cousin on lead (he's better than me but he's 2 years younger! sad.gif) we began to jam Enter Sandman, Fade to Black, Nothing Else Matters, For Whom The Bell Tolls, Master of Puppets and Wherever I May Roam. I switched between playing rhythm with another cousin, and used the Tweed for my clean and the Numetal for distortion.

Paired with the "Higain" amp modeller on the Zoom, we really managed to create a deep, growling sound. Not really Metallica but I would say that was one of the heaviest sounds I've heard. Palm muted riffs sound extremely good on the Numetal setting.

When playing For Whom The Bell Tolls, I sat out as my other cousin took my place in playing rhythm. That, combined with the Zoom again, really created this roaring thunderous sound that could bring down the whole house. In the harmonics part of Fade to Black, the two guitars blended in flawlessly.

When I got to the clean parts in Master of Puppets and Fade to Black, I used my CH1 Tweed Preset which I stayed up until 2am to tinker, and I got a pleasant surprise.. it sounds pretty much okay, very gig-able. So I guess only on lower power outputs the volume problem occurs.

But, question is, how often do you get to blast your amp like that? At lower power outputs it still.. to put it plainly.. sucks.

So, even after a jam session with the Vox.. the verdict is..

Disappointing, but very much usable cleans at low output.

Very sweet, but not sugar cleans at high output.

I shall increase my verdict to an 8/10.

This post has been edited by nerd: Dec 11 2005, 11:46 PM
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post Dec 11 2005, 10:33 PM

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sorry, double post

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post Dec 15 2005, 05:13 PM

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Pix, I think u'd better talk that over with thewhacker.

No offense to thewhacker. smile.gif
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post Jan 4 2006, 10:47 AM

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no problem pix. smile.gif

how about we create a seperate thread for Vox owners?

It could be titled : Vox : Relentless Pursuit of Tone!

Over there, all the Vox users can post their Channel Settings or talk about getting the perfect sound..
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post Jan 4 2006, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(nick_drake @ Jan 4 2006, 01:02 PM)
other than that, its a pretty sturdy amp. traces of plastic everywhere, but the front metal grille really gives it a sturdy reaffirmation that it can hold up, just dont treat your amp like you're a rockstar. hehe...it wont make you one anyway. i dont mind sitting on it, i use it as a stool too sometimes. tongue.gif
There we go... im done. smile.gif a little abrupt..
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if i use it as a stool during my jam sessions, i will feel my ass burning coz of heat from the tubes escape from the grilles. tongue.gif
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post Jan 8 2006, 01:30 AM

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@ ledzep

the line jack on our amp is a line in or line out? you connect the amp to your com from there?

 

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