This weekend, Denai Alam is launching Maple Terrace..30x80 ....

I dont understand how you can get nett build up of 3125 is the building is only 25x60?

FYI, the buildup information used in marketing in many occasion is not the same as the buildup used in negotiating price with sub-contractor. Secondly and normally, landscaping will be outsourced to other company. The sturctural cost would not differ much, but the materials used do...I&P Alam impian offers quite decent materials.

No need to argue about the G&G or F&G, as all these are terminology. At the end, you have to evaluate the best option that you are comfortable with. Some people even claim that G&G must be with clubhouse, so there are really a lot of different expectation. Also, nowadays, the really legal G&G is those with strata title....so in this case, I believe Idaman Damansara also not G&G technically.But do we care? not really. Everyone can also install their own security system, but again up to individual....an extreme analogy, I saw a kancil witha LCD TV installed in the car, but still seeing many BMW and Merz without a TV.....So, in term of LCD availability, Kancil won, but BMW and MErz can install those easily.......on the other hands, it is not easy for kancil to be modified to have some of the features offeed by BMW..

Secondly, on the guard, they are all human, so, it might be good now, and might not be good next year....

So, back to TTDI and I&P Alam impian, I am just trying to point out that difference of offering:

1. Alam Impian is Individual title, fence up, proper guardhouse, people who move in expected to pay for the security (of course, at later stage, there will still be people who are not paying up, this is human).

2. I&P can be converted to G&G, firsly, need to install the fencing, then setup the guardhouse and get consensus from majority of residence.

Apart from that, both are the same as far as security is concerned.

There is substantial risk when your security guards got gun.....of course, you will also enjoy the benefit as the defence system is expected to be better.....

Tell this to the American....

I think it wouldn't take too long to sell it off...anything sold more than 90% within a month is considered good. We cant just benchmark to those "sold out in3 hours" thing everytime...

WEll...you are right than not many developer offering such house size..I think a 2S 25x80/85 is better than 3S 20x70 which might offer similar builtup/////

I think the school factor is not really significant as the distance is not short actually....another point which might not be relevatn nowaday is that the y are using sand brick ..well...too many houses are using sand brick now...so...this might not be a factor anymore.....

Congrats....

Yes...clay brick for partition wall is by default....who knows when the industry will eventually start moving for full sand brick.....at this point of time, only really applicable to medium to low cost house

I think this pentas (1&2) layout is very decent indeed.....decent size MBR and all common area (living and dining)....I have seen some other 25,26 width house with a lot of wasted space.....and eventually, the house doesnt look roomy.....

Fromo what i was told, the 24x75 will be around 720k-730k. Only the corner house or end lot will be 3S as the rest will be 2S.

Anyway, let's see.

Well, the price can only be confirmed when they release it. The good thing is that, normally they dont increase the price during the launching like MS

But this is will be the second last link house project within TTDI AI. The rest will be semi, bungalow, condo, shop lots, etc.

launching price cannot keep increasing at the same rate as this is not sustainable. Currently, the cheapest property (link house) in AI (overall) is already more than 5xxk.

There is no commercial element, school, retails, clinics, markets, etc .... so itself in the next 2-3 years at least, will be still pretty isolated as housing estate. These factor and better landscaping will need to be improved further. I&P should have launch some apartment and condo, if not smaller house or townhouse, to attract more people....not everyone can afford a 500-600k house. At least, if they do so, the development would be faster....

I&P marketing is really bad and their planning is not proper.

I dont understand the logic of them keep launching bigger houses within Alam impian. If you look at the price, for a totally new area, the price is not getting cheap anymore. Either you offer bigger house to attract people to move in or you offer smaller house targeted at those who wanted landed but cant afford other area. They should focus on another aspect of development. They have decent house but not really good at marketing. I remember registered a couple of time, but every new launch, they never inform me at all via sms or email.

UFO, i agree with you in general. What i am trying to point out in addition as following:

1. Selling bigger house or Small house with security / landscape -- assuming same price

This is the option that I&P need to consider seriously. As you already pointed out clearly. We have to ask this question: Do you want a 22x75 with G&G (without clubhouse) or 24x80 (without G&G) assuming the price is the same? Well, the important thing is not what you or me think but rather what is general the market wants (majority).

2. This is a township development with more than 1200 acres (even though 200+acres was sold to Naza), there are still 1000 acres. Not that i dont support mid end market, but from a township development, it is important to have diversity. So, it is important to also cater for slightly affordable house (townhouse or smaller link house, 300-500k) to push the market mass and step up the development rate of Alam Impian. Bear in mind that Alam Impian is not a commercial township, not a manufacturing, not retail, but mainly a residential area. If not, they really need to create more niche in their product to attract upgraders. Setia Alam on the other hand have lot of variety of house cater for different market and different needs..also now started to pull in more commercial factor. Both Alam impian and SA actually started about the same time frame (just a couple of years gap).

In fact I&P house is pretty good in quality and certain areas are better than NAza TTDI, e.g. car porch area, common pedestrain walkway....

Just feel pity they didnt realise the change of the buyers and keep on doing things that they are doing. Look at Kinrara Residences, a quick project just shortly about 1.5 years ago, already chalking up hundreds of unit in sales....while I&P still taking their own sweet time. I&P normally offer decent house size with decent quality and also their projects are mainly freehold. If you cant understand what people want, you have to influence and create the market

This post has been edited by spydermind: Feb 1 2012, 09:05 AM

Being guarded and fenced up with single entry, by itself already help out a lot.

This post has been edited by spydermind: Feb 2 2012, 01:44 PM

No offence to anyone but what is the reason for contructing an islamic school at this point of time. ...is it the MOE decision or it is I&P.....?


I think focusing on common amenities first are much better instead of islamic school or chinese school...as these sort of amenities can come in later. You simply dont want people to associate a big town ship with such identity at this stage of development. Further that is the entrance into AI, perhaps building commercial there are better and then reserve a better or quiter land for the school (any school).


BY the way, the population in AI is not enough to sustain the school and parents staying out of AI need to pay 1.2 per trip to send their kids...also there are already plenty of schools within shah alam, kota kemuning....

dont know who's idea is that to have such a planning...putting a school and a mosque right at the entrance ? I think it is better to have this sort of amenities somewhere in the middle or towards the side, so that it will be more convenient for local people to go these area. That is already a very narrow entrance to a certain extend......

This post has been edited by spydermind: Feb 8 2012, 10:09 PM

That is about 2 yrs ago....30+% is normal over that period. Even before 2007/8....many housing project experiences 15-25% increase (after completion) ...that is very common in fact.

The build up is big but I wonder how they squeeze it in......

To get 3273sqft, they need to build 25x65, so left with 20 ft??

Any indication price? and number of unit?

It does really mater the build up stated...most importantly, when you walk in, you should be comfortable about the space, allocation of space and utilization of the space

for the past 1.5 years, it is very obvious that AI TTDI sales is moving faster than AI I&P despite the fact that AI I&P has better accessibility, location (within AI), bigger lake, more establishments, bigger house, slightly better built quality, slightly better overall quality (e.g. the car porch material and the common walkway).... in fact the price also slightly favorable towards I&P.

Design wise, it is very subjective.......Landscape is also rather subjective to make a big difference at this point of time.

So, it is left with one single biggest thing (apart from the marketing which is also very pathethic, a 13 yo boy can do a better web page design e.g, also even i registred a couple of time, there is no emial or call or sms to me for new launch.) :Security (G&G ) ...


This is a typical failure in understanding what is required or what is on top of the mine of buyer.

the letter clearly mentioned Guarded ....and there is a big difference.

To be honest, it is not fair for people to sign this. Extreme case, if the committee wants to charge 500 per month, do i need to pay just because i sign this.....

I am not here to argue, but sometimes, really too many loopholes here and there....really hard to find a decent solution....

In this case, who knows there might be people against the idea of fencing up the place (block their accessibility) or divert them to walk longer distance to certain place.....dont be surprise...


seriously 65/-75% agreement is consider low, in USJ or PJ, Puchong, kepong, i heard the local authority want more than 80%-90%

House+car=$$$$$$

This post has been edited by spydermind: Apr 27 2012, 11:46 PM