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Quazacolt
post Jul 18 2011, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Jul 18 2011, 10:25 PM)
an expert photographer cannot take a good picture with a digital camera, no matter what angle he is trying to use, a good starcraft2 player can pwn a very good player with a membrane keyboard
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aiyoh major mistake, the same one as evo made doh.gif

while i can see pass that error and acknowledge the intention and analogy is good, an error is still an error. i guess i couldnt blame you both for not being photographers/into photography? try to spot the error anyways if you dont mind putting in the effort. good for future references anyways


Added on July 18, 2011, 10:31 pm
QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Jul 18 2011, 09:19 PM)
exactly. proton can still drive you around no problemo. why BMW? cuz its fking awesome.
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and just like cars, if a person is not into car and are into housing or maybe other hobbies, you preach how good a bmw is, can fly la, launch rockets la, that person also wont buy a bmw and will just buy a proton instead.

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post Jul 19 2011, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 18 2011, 06:33 PM)
well, after the rubber is peeled, whats left is a cheap plastic cover which, you know, you paid premium of over rm200 and that is what you get, sure feels bad lol.

that, and the teflon also fades pretty fast (3years or so) compared to most logitechs that can last you much longer, and they even have a tested and proven spec sheet (few kilometers of glide roflmao or how many millions of clicks etc) for each of their gaming series mices

razer on the other hand only provided fancy boxes, fancy design (LED bling bling! ill be the first to admit for falling for it) , and hella fancy marketing  doh.gif


Added on July 18, 2011, 6:35 pm

as a casual photographer who owns both PNS/SLR cameras, i find that analogy highly offensive because you're clearly mistaken on a lot of points. just checking: do you know much about photography at all?
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 18 2011, 10:30 PM)
aiyoh major mistake, the same one as evo made  doh.gif

while i can see pass that error and acknowledge the intention and analogy is good, an error is still an error. i guess i couldnt blame you both for not being photographers/into photography? try to spot the error anyways if you dont mind putting in the effort. good for future references anyways


Added on July 18, 2011, 10:31 pm

and just like cars, if a person is not into car and are into housing or maybe other hobbies, you preach how good a bmw is, can fly la, launch rockets la, that person also wont buy a bmw and will just buy a proton instead.
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then let me ask u this, in low light condition which is better?
how about fast shots especially for time-lapses?
there are a few more situations where SLR/ DSLR outperform P&S especially when the lenses come in for various shots...

just because u are a 'casual photographer' doesn't mean u know everything...
there is a big different between a hardcore photographer with SLR vs an amateur/ casual photographer with SLR...
casual photographer? stick to P&S if u are not utilizing SLRs the way they are meant to be...
^ might be offensive to some sensitive one but if u can afford it and it is ur money, continue getting SLR for P&S functions...
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post Jul 19 2011, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jul 19 2011, 12:17 AM)
then let me ask u this, in low light condition which is better?
how about fast shots especially for time-lapses?
there are a few more situations where SLR/ DSLR outperform P&S especially when the lenses come in for various shots...

just because u are a 'casual photographer' doesn't mean u know everything...
there is a big different between a hardcore photographer with SLR vs an amateur/ casual photographer with SLR...
casual photographer? stick to P&S if u are not utilizing SLRs the way they are meant to be...
^ might be offensive to some sensitive one but if u can afford it and it is ur money, continue getting SLR for P&S functions...
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remember what you've said:

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to me the best analogy of a mech vs membrane keyboard is cameras...
mech = SLR
membrane = digital cameras
digital are newer tech and cheaper but SLR remained as the high end ones due to their capabilities, build quality and image...


just so it may slip out of your mind, digital cameras do include DSLR.

hope that helps smile.gif
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post Jul 19 2011, 12:32 AM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 19 2011, 12:22 AM)
remember what you've said:
just so it may slip out of your mind, digital cameras do include DSLR.

hope that helps smile.gif
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sweat, so u are actually questioning my analogy to the point of how much i know about photography due to that?

ok i'll make it clearer for casual photographers like u who get offended by it:
Mechanical = single lens reflex (SLR) or Digital SLR (DSLR)
Membrane = The commonly found point and shoot (P&S) digital cameras. Most common people/ colloquialism use call them digital camera.

do note that digital P&S is much newer (since 2000ish) than SLR but experts were still using SLRs... only when DSLR started recently few years back...
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post Jul 19 2011, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jul 19 2011, 12:32 AM)
sweat, so u are actually questioning my analogy to the point of how much i know about photography due to that?

ok i'll make it clearer for casual photographers like u who get offended by it:
Mechanical = single lens reflex (SLR) or Digital SLR (DSLR)
Membrane = The commonly found point and shoot (P&S) digital cameras. Most common people/ colloquialism use call them digital camera.

do note that digital P&S is much newer (since 2000ish) than SLR but experts were still using SLRs... only when DSLR started recently few years back...
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what, i cant nitpick errors now or something? didnt know it had became a rule. my bad, i humbly apologize then.

ps: DSLRs and digital PNS are created around the same decade, in which both served different market needs

though when they were both in their early stages, it wasnt quite the case where by digital pns may be more advanced that the current available dslr or hybrid analog/digital slr to be more precise, to the point where the PNS would be more preferred

it was only until the early 20th century where both dslr/d pns are widely available to consumers where they start serving their own markets respectively, leaving the analog SLRs or even normal cameras (or polaroids) to serve the still available niche market.

tldr: using cameras as analogies for keyboards, or more specifically, gaming keyboards, in a specific game (read: sc2) is just as derp as it can get.


Added on July 19, 2011, 8:46 am
was expecting something, then again http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1963065

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post Jul 19 2011, 10:38 AM

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stay on topic man, do u realize most of the thread in lowyat sc2 is non sc2 related and more rage and grudge? Show some love, Quazacolt please refrain from ignite useless argument that is non sc2 related. I am bored of reading my favorite forum filled with rage from you. A metaphor is a metaphor! Seriously, try go teamliquid with ur attitute, you will be ban long time ago.
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post Jul 19 2011, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(mules @ Jul 19 2011, 10:38 AM)
stay on topic man, do u realize most of the thread in lowyat sc2 is non sc2 related and more rage and grudge? Show some love, Quazacolt please refrain from ignite useless argument that is non sc2 related.  I am bored of reading my favorite forum filled with rage from you.  A metaphor is a metaphor!  Seriously, try go teamliquid with ur attitute, you will be ban long time ago.
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pardon my immaturity for this, but "he started it first"
now that we got that out of the way, ill put it simple for you: it takes both hands to make a clap, whats an ignition without a burning medium, and/or a source of spark?

and rage you say? here letme demonstrate rage:
"f***ING BULLSHIT PEOPLE KEEP SPEWING BULLSHIT NONSENSE" etc.

get it? no? ill just put it out that i am perfectly calm and sane (if you can even call it that for browsing LYN sc2 sub forum), up to you to take it as you will.

and really, TL? why should i go there? give me a perfectly valid reason for me to waste my time going there.

lastly, FEEL FREE to report my posts that you deem offensive, and/or off topic/irrelevant/spamming including this very post here. although while doing that, i sincerely hope that you maintain an unbiased standpoint and report other offending posts as well.

that is all. i am done with this thread.
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post Jul 19 2011, 11:12 AM

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I use a Dvorak keyboard.

/troll
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post Jul 19 2011, 01:57 PM

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I Use HP standard p/s2 keyboard, come with super small size shift buttons too... rclxms.gif
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post Jul 19 2011, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE


Here shoot with something that can't event shoot in RAWRRRRRRR!!!!!
WINRARRRRRRRR


Added on July 19, 2011, 2:01 pm
QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 19 2011, 12:22 AM)
remember what you've said:
just so it may slip out of your mind, digital cameras do include DSLR.

hope that helps smile.gif
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Some people thinks that DSLR is not a digital camera laugh.gif laugh.gif RLOLMFAO!!!


^ ok what above is just for info for the previous flame lets get back on keyboard, sorry

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post Jul 19 2011, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Jul 19 2011, 11:12 AM)
I use a Dvorak keyboard.

/troll
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piano? lmao



Added on July 20, 2011, 12:51 am
QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jul 19 2011, 12:17 AM)
there is a big different between a hardcore photographer with SLR vs an amateur/ casual photographer with SLR...
casual photographer? stick to P&S if u are not utilizing SLRs the way they are meant to be...
^ might be offensive to some sensitive one but if u can afford it and it is ur money, continue getting SLR for P&S functions...
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i dont laugh at people who own dslr/slr with a normal photo shooting skill, well, i have to admit i do sometimes, but i would most probably laugh at people who is below platinum league and own mechanical keyboards just for starcraft2, because i dont have much ego in photo shooting as im not that interested in photo shooting, but i do admit i have some passion in starcraft2 and giving me this ego to laugh at people even though they are rich and own a mechanical keyboard without a good playing skill, i find myself stupid sometimes.

for people who find your analogy offensive, they are just afraid of people laughing of why they are not being making their hobbies to the next level by improving their photo shooting skill more when they have a good equipment, i find this reaction is very unnecessary because that is what u enjoy doing and some people just wouldnt understand how u feel about it, as i wouldnt ever understand how a bronze player would feel so good in playing sc2 with a mechanical keybaord, that justifies why i admit im stupid sometimes becuz i just cant get rid of my ego of laughing people who own mechanical keyboards even they dont play very good starcraft

QUOTE(fujkenasai @ Jul 19 2011, 02:00 PM)
^  ok what above is just for info for the previous flame lets get back on keyboard, sorry
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that video shows how slayers_alicia can pwn with a membrane keyboard (marauder), u failed to dispatch us from that analogy xD



ONE QUESTION, do all mech keyboards have macro key function??

This post has been edited by pepsi89: Jul 20 2011, 01:04 AM
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QUOTE(Sichiri @ Jul 19 2011, 12:12 PM)
I use a Dvorak keyboard.

/troll
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>Using this clusterf*ck of a keyboard
I seriously hope you guys don't do this
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post Jul 20 2011, 08:12 AM

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Speaking of mechanical keyboard, remember the days (Intel Pentium 1 and before) when all standard keyboards were mechanical, and people complained that it was too noisy so they made membrane keyboards as 'silent' keyboard so it went to become the standards of today?

Then now they brought back mechanical keyboards and sell them at RM200+ a pop.

haha.

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 19 2011, 10:51 AM)
pardon my immaturity for this, but "he started it first"
now that we got that out of the way, ill put it simple for you: it takes both hands to make a clap, whats an ignition without a burning medium, and/or a source of spark?

and rage you say? here letme demonstrate rage:
"f***ING BULLSHIT PEOPLE KEEP SPEWING BULLSHIT NONSENSE" etc.

get it? no? ill just put it out that i am perfectly calm and sane (if you can even call it that for browsing LYN sc2 sub forum), up to you to take it as you will.

and really, TL? why should i go there? give me a perfectly valid reason for me to waste my time going there.

lastly, FEEL FREE to report my posts that you deem offensive, and/or off topic/irrelevant/spamming including this very post here. although while doing that, i sincerely hope that you maintain an unbiased standpoint and report other offending posts as well.

that is all. i am done with this thread.
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post Jul 20 2011, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(Timber2k7 @ Jul 20 2011, 10:00 AM)
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Sorry i admit i am bias. Please come back Quazacolt.

Back to mech, i don't think a keyboard will help you jumping the ladder, i don't see myself flying either. Like a better mouse, the precision indeed helps and seriously a great treat to your fingers. It takes a day or two to get used to the heavier keyboard and the new pressure but once you get used to it, it is a good investment. A mech keyboard life is much longer too. Come on, it is indeed a better keyboard for rts players, why else progamers take the hassle to carry that heavier keyboard all the way to tourney even abroad.


my two cents
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QUOTE(pepsi89 @ Jul 19 2011, 04:15 PM)
piano? lmao

Added on July 20, 2011, 12:51 am

i dont laugh at people who own dslr/slr with a normal photo shooting skill, well, i have to admit i do sometimes, but i would most probably laugh at people who is below platinum league and own  mechanical keyboards just for starcraft2, because i dont have much ego in photo shooting as im not that interested in photo shooting, but i do admit i have some passion in starcraft2 and giving me this ego to laugh at people even though they are rich and own a mechanical keyboard without a good playing skill, i find myself stupid sometimes.

for people who find your analogy offensive, they are just afraid of people laughing of why they are not being making their hobbies to the next level by improving their photo shooting skill more when they have a good equipment, i find this reaction is very unnecessary because that is what u enjoy doing and some people just wouldnt understand how u feel about it, as i wouldnt ever understand how a bronze player would feel so good in playing sc2 with a mechanical keybaord, that justifies why i admit im stupid sometimes becuz i just cant get rid of my ego of laughing people who own mechanical keyboards even they dont play very good starcraft
that video shows how slayers_alicia can pwn with a membrane keyboard (marauder), u failed to dispatch us from that analogy xD
ONE QUESTION, do all mech keyboards have macro key function??
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most of them dun have macro keys...
the selling point for mech is the quality of the switches, the feel of it (especially the feedback which u can get with DT-35 membrane as well) and how long they last (superb builds)...

as for mech keyboards, they are not only for gaming...
they are a blast to type on (especially if u are writing papers and doing coding like me)...
those who actually got their ducky/ filco etc dun go sc2 instantly when they get it...
they are looking for things to type on as it feels so good for ur fingers...


Added on July 20, 2011, 2:51 pm
QUOTE(mules @ Jul 20 2011, 10:26 AM)
Sorry i admit i am bias.  Please come back Quazacolt.

Back to mech, i don't think a keyboard will help you jumping the ladder, i don't see myself flying either. Like a better mouse, the precision indeed helps and seriously a great treat to your fingers.  It takes a day or two to get used to the heavier keyboard and the new pressure but once you get used to it, it is a good investment.  A mech keyboard life is much longer too.  Come on, it is indeed a better keyboard for rts players, why else progamers take the hassle to carry that heavier keyboard all the way to tourney even abroad.
my two cents
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mech's switch life is said to last 10x longer than membrane...
a mech = rm 300...
a membrane = rm 20 (basic one)...
if u can afford it upfront, no reason not to =p

pop over to the mech keyboard thread in the hardware subforum and compare with the gaming keyboard thread...
u get ur answer on which is the better keyboard easily...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Jul 20 2011, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jul 20 2011, 02:49 PM)
most of them dun have macro keys...
the selling point for mech is the quality of the switches, the feel of it (especially the feedback which u can get with DT-35 membrane as well) and how long they last (superb builds)...

as for mech keyboards, they are not only for gaming...
they are a blast to type on (especially if u are writing papers and doing coding like me)...
those who actually got their ducky/ filco etc dun go sc2 instantly when they get it...
they are looking for things to type on as it feels so good for ur fingers...


Added on July 20, 2011, 2:51 pm

mech's switch life is said to last 10x longer than membrane...
a mech = rm 300...
a membrane = rm 20 (basic one)...
if u can afford it upfront, no reason not to =p

pop over to the mech keyboard thread in the hardware subforum and compare with the gaming keyboard thread...
u get ur answer on which is the better keyboard easily...
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thnx for the info
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[attachmentid=2342764]



Features:

* STARCRAFT® II DESIGN
* Beautifully crafted with artwork from the game.
* MASTER THE GAME
* Labeled keys and one-touch macros grouped intuitively for quick access.
* MACROS BY RACE
* 3 race-specific macro layouts for Terran, Protoss and Zerg.
* EASY TO USE
* Assign 20 one-touch macro buttons with custom commands.
* CUSTOMIZATION
* Remap every key for a custom experience with the SteelSeries Z Engine software.
* ANTI-GHOSTING
* Anti-ghosting capability allows for 7 simultaneous keystrokes.
* FULL FEATURED
* Equipped with two USB 1.1 ports as well as a standard keyset for everyday use.
* COMPATIBILITY
* Compatible with all versions of the StarCraft® II PC Game.

Try SteelSeries Zboard Bundle: StarCraft II
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Macro keys are actually not allowed in Starcraft II ladder if I'm not mistaken. I remember that Grubby, or somebody else (quite sure it's Grubby) advertising this and it was under heavy flaming. So no, If you want to get better in SCII, using a keyboard with custom macros is not the way, and it's also illegal.
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QUOTE(ckmultimedia @ Jul 21 2011, 06:04 PM)
[attachmentid=2342764]
Features:

    * STARCRAFT® II DESIGN
    * Beautifully crafted with artwork from the game.
    * MASTER THE GAME
    * Labeled keys and one-touch macros grouped intuitively for quick access.
    * MACROS BY RACE
    * 3 race-specific macro layouts for Terran, Protoss and Zerg.
    * EASY TO USE
    * Assign 20 one-touch macro buttons with custom commands.
    * CUSTOMIZATION
    * Remap every key for a custom experience with the SteelSeries Z Engine software.
    * ANTI-GHOSTING
    * Anti-ghosting capability allows for 7 simultaneous keystrokes.
    * FULL FEATURED
    * Equipped with two USB 1.1 ports as well as a standard keyset for everyday use.
    * COMPATIBILITY
    * Compatible with all versions of the StarCraft® II PC Game.

Try SteelSeries Zboard Bundle: StarCraft II
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troll keyboard lol

steelseries 7G is good tho

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