Hello guys,

I have a Charade Espri with a 1.0L stock engine. I m looking for a suitable engine to change as the current engine does not have enough power when my car is going up hill (my speed drops drastically when accelerating uphill).

Anyone have any idea what engine (EFI engines) I can transplant and still meet the JPJ requirement and how much is the cost?

Thanks!

This post has been edited by mrsenza: Jul 13 2011, 12:30 AM

Probably you can go and overhaul the engine.
Cheaper and no need to worry about JPJ.

Overhauling wont increase the engine power, will it? Because i did bring it to a mechanic before, he said no overhauling is needed, but the car is really lagging and feels very heavy when going uphill, as i have mentioned

This post has been edited by croydon: Aug 16 2011, 10:18 PM

Choices for you :

1. Charade Detomaso 1.6 N/A
No issues with JPJ, plug n play including the wiring, dashboard, engine mounts, engine. Fuel consumption not too bad if you drive decently

2. Toyota Starlet 4efte 1.3 TURBO
Mountings have to be nice. Wiring all can be matched but not plug n play. Good value for money. Power is there. Fuel consumption better than option 1 if driven off boost

3. Espri 1.3 EFI engine... no point

4. Charade gtti 1.0 turbo - doesnt fit. mountings dont match at all

5. Myvi engine / YRV 1.3turbo - mounting and wiring all hard to match. waste of money

6. Overhaul ur engnine - waste of money.

7. Bolt on turbo... not available for ur carburetor engine. However, the g11 charade model has a Carb Turbo. And not many people in the country actually know how to tune the carb to the turbo. This is suicidal



So your best bet will be option 1 or 2.

As for option 1, it'll be cheaper to convert. And the car is much more driveable, and comfortable

Option 2.. powah

Wow, sifu of charade! Really thanks for your information and advise!!!
Appreciate it bro!

i'd go for 4E..

1.0 - 1.6 hard to pass JPJ, best is to get the 4e-fte, sure can pass, and halfcut quite cheap

eh no sifu lah =.=!

Stormlcc, I've been there done that.No issues no hassle. Old ori engine is a 993 cc and the 4efte is 1331cc and it's well over 30%. This puts the 1.6 endorsement in the same category during jpj and puspakom inspection. no questions asked

Detomaso 1.6 is nice. Better buy halfcut since u also need the rear disc brake. The problem is jpj.
Endorsed from 1000cc to 1600cc is 60% but no problem. Just make sure ur brake disc can grip + dont turn left/right when emergency brake. Other than that no problem. The only problem on ur meter , catalythic converter light on all the times. If u want to endorsed this car just give me a call/sms. I have detomaso club friends which is already transplant and endorsed.

very unlikely the catcon light will be on all the time unless something is not right. It's a totally plug n play and no wire mix and match needed. You will also have to replace the entire fuel tank that comes with the halfcut.

Whoever that tells you above 30% cannot upgrade is seriously bullshitting. The 1.6deto is a nice engine if left stock. Not easy to find performance parts for this engine unlike the 4e

Wow, I really appreciate all your replies!

Now the only thing left is the pricing.

Does anyone knows the rough estimate of the price for the engines or halfcut mentioned above?

I m on a quite tight budget.

Thanks!

1. DETOMASO

Halfcut - 2.5 - 3k
Labour 1.5k
Timing belt, water pump etc - RM1k

Endorsement depending on the runner. He has to go for PG10 letter, surat kawal selia, etc


2. 4EFTE
Halfcut 3k - 3500
Labour 2k - 2.5k inclusive of mounting fabrication and wiring
Comsumables (belts waterpump) 1k
Exhaust to 2in - 2.5in - 500>?
alot more

Dont say bs.It dependa actually.
Wira 1.5 cant endorsed if u transplant evo engine. Is it bullshit?

Same thing happen if u transplant evo on wira.cat con always appear. Unless u have cat con on ur car. Nowadays modified car dont used cat con.

Just transplant the engine, i have a friend who have detomaso can do the endorsed part, check ur brake system, gurantee pass. I can give his contact number. But do a transplant 1st.

U can join charade club to know the details.

putting an evo in a wira cant endorse is definitely not bullshit because it's written in black and white on the JPJ site that its not allowed to do so. It is also written that you can go beyond 30% for endorsement on non proton wira/satria/waja cars. Again, people saying not being able to do so is pure bullshit. I would appreciate if someone actually tried and failed and come tell me in the face. lol

Conclusion? They just listen to rubbish people telling rubbish stories before going to te jpj portal and read themselves

This post has been edited by ThunderGod_Cid: Jul 13 2011, 05:02 PM

wooo....don't be hyped up, nobody is suggesting it can't be done, it's just a bit harder, it's not like the good ol' days anymore, duit kopi is getting more expensive. seriously even 1.2 datsun 120y can plunk in SR20 and can pass, but the amount needed for under table is quite huge. and also it depends which part of town u go check in puspakom, some places easier, but some is almost impossible

yeah, no more over 25% power up for proton others than perdana, even using pg10+money u will fail...money is useless no matter how...perdana already 2.0cc...so perdana can power up until 2.5cc...

but this restriction is not for others model...like ppl said, nissan/toyota 1.3 can bolt on sr20, and pass jpj easily.

money thing is going around if u dont have a confident to pass the inspection like absorber fail, brake fail or anything else...but if u really confident that nothing will goes wrong in the inspection, u can do it by yourself, no big money involved. but if you fail the test, sure dizzy to fix it and come back for 2nd test lor...

This post has been edited by joefbi: Jul 13 2011, 05:32 PM

Are u mean that wira 1.5 to evo 2.0 can be endorsed? Are u sure man? I give u one wira with evo + 1000 can u endorsed it? If yes, i will send my housemate car to you. If fail u need to pay double amount. Wanna bet?

Better u check 1st lor. Many2 years ago can lor. Even 1.3 can Used 2.0 engine many2 years ago.

If u can, there are plenty of wira evo come to u for sure!
Nowadays only 1.8 putra, satria,wira or perdana can endorsed to 2.0, that is y there are plenty wira user sell their car and buy perdana and transplant + endorsed.

I havent been to the portal lately. Was it stated that proton 1.3 cant go to 1.8 already?

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Added on July 13, 2011, 6:09 pmjust checked. didnt state so .


btw,
if 25% - 29% you do not need PG10. Only if above 30% u need. If 25% - 29% u need surat kelulusan aka kawal selia. There is also no longer a need to go all the way to Putrajaya to get this anymore


This post has been edited by ThunderGod_Cid: Jul 13 2011, 06:09 PM

rarely now hear 1.3 to 1.8...only 1.5 or 1.6 to 1.8...but not 2.0 for sure...
yes, surat kawal selia if over 25% and not pg10...my mistake, i guess surat kawal selia is the same thing as pg10..hehehe...my bad.

gagak, in this case we are talk about upgrade others than proton bro...
we all know wira cannot endorse to 2.0 anymore...but not for others model...
like this case, daihatsu...so, stick to the point...hehehe