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 [REVIEW] Sony MH1 – The Best Kept Secret by ClieOS, LiveSound™ hi-fi headset/Smart headset

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post Jul 5 2011, 12:48 AM, updated 12y ago

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http://www.head-fi.org/t/632892/review-son...est-kept-secret
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Right when MH1 ‘LiveSound’ was first announced over a year ago by Sony Ericsson (*now ‘Sony Mobile’, after Ericsson sold its share of the company to Sony early this year), I wasn’t really paying much attention to it – Why wouldn’t I, or any audiophiles in that matter? After all, it is just a “headset” by the company’s smartphone division in Eupore, not from the famed headphone team in their Japan HQ. The bias kicked in and soon I have forgotten all about it. Fast forward to a couple of months ago, I was offered a chance to review the recently released Sony Bluetooth headset for Android, the MW1 ‘Smart Wireless Headset pro’, and find myself very impressed by the sound quality of - not only the BT unit itself, but also the IEM it bundled with. It turns out to be the shorten version of MH1 adapted for the BT headset. I immediately know it is an IEM that deserved to be reviewed as a standalone product before I can review the MW1. It will help to complete the story of MW1, and really give credit to the EU team that developed the excellent sounding headset.


Sony Ericsson MH1 in bulk packaging from DX.

Spec
Driver: Closed 5.8mm dynamic transducer
Nominal Impedance: 15Ω
Frequency response: 1Hz-20kHz
Max input power: 67mW
Bass sensitivity: 125dB/V @ 40Hz
Mids sensitivity: 115dB/V @ 1kHz
For Android smartphone:
Music controls: play,pause, next/previous track
Volume control: up/down



Accessories and Build Quality
Normally I’ll start by talking about the packaging in this section of the review, but since I didn’t receive the full retail packaging, I thought we will skip that part. Accessories wise, you will get a shirt clip and 4 pairs of silicone single flange eartips (S, 2xM, L).

The IEM comes with 4mm wide flat cable in asymmetrical length (J-cord), and the Y-splitter is made in such way that cable must be looped behind the neck. While the cable itself is indeed durable and tangle-free as advertised, it is also a bit cumbersome and microphonics – good thing that the shirt clip helps to manage the issue to an acceptable level, but they are not completely gone. It would have been much better if it uses the smaller and oval flat cable found on Sony’s own XBA series of IEM. The cable is basically the only real complaint I have against the MH1, otherwise I would have been absolutely happy with it.



The included eartips are an improved version of Sony’s own Hybrid style silicone eartips that first appeared on EX700 and still used on the latest XBA series. The bore is just a tiny bit wider which results in lesser hinder on sound transmission while the flange has been extended for a more secured fit. Like the original Hybrid, these should have been sold separately as accessories as well, but unfortunately they are not.

Just 3 inches (or 75mm) underneath the left earpiece is the remote and mic. It has volume control as well as play/pause button (or to receive and hang up call) that should work with most of the current Android smartphone and tablet (*see next section for more detail). There is also an extra ‘smart’ button for assigning extra function, but unfortunately it only works with Sony own Xperia series of smartphone.


MH1 LiveSound (top) and MH1C Smart Headset (bottom)

Variation and Confusion
Bear with me here in this section as it is quite important if you are interested in getting a MH1. Let’s begin by explaining two standards used in making the 3.5mm TRRS plug on headset – OMTP and CTIA (both are organizations for mobile standards). For OMTP, the TRRS plug is wired as [Left-Right-Mic-Ground] (from tip-to-sleeve); for CTIA, the TRRS is wired as [Left-Right-Ground-Mic]. Since OMTP was initially endorsed by Ericsson (and Nokia, which still uses the OMTP standard), all of their cellphone, including those under the Sony Ericsson branding, uses this standard. It also got adopted by a few other cellphone manufacturers as standard before mid 2011, such as LG, Motorola, Sony and Samsung. In mid 2010, the OMTP organization transitioned itself into another organization (the WAC, if you are interest to know), and the OMTP standard for headset was subsequently being phased out by most manufacturers within the following year (* it takes time to sell off old models) in favor of the CTIA standard. Part of the big reason for adapting the CTIA standard might be due to the fact that it is the standard used by Apple on their iDevice, which represent a big share of the headset market. Standardization demands from political groups (i.e. the EU) also played a role to push for one headset standard that will work on both Android and iOS, as well as most dumbphones (except for Nokia, which doesn’t like to play with other for now).

Now that we have learned about the two standards, let talks more specifically in MH1. When MH1 was first announced, it was named ‘LiveSound’ under the Sony Ericsson brand and complied with the old OMTP standard. But when Sony bought out Ericssion’s share of the company and began to introduce their own Sony Xperia brand of Android smarphone, they start to adapt the CTIA standard on all their headsets. The new MH1 (*referred as MH1C, ’C’ is short for ‘CTIA’ presumably) is then renamed as ‘Smart Headset’ to differentiate itself from the old ‘LiveSound’ version. It was supposed to be a fairly easy and clean transition, but unfortunately it isn’t. Some of the new MH1© with CTIA wiring is still being sold on various part of the world under the ‘LiveSound’ moniker while other parts of the world already use the new ‘Smart Headset’ moniker. One thing for sure, if you see a MH1 with an old Sony Ericsson logo on the side, it is the OMTP version and not compatible to the newer Android smartphone. If it only has Sony logo stamped on the side, and being referred as ‘smart headset’ or with model name MH1C, then likely it is the new CTIA version. However, the only sure-fire way is to check with the seller for compatibility. In the event that you have acquired the wrong version for your cellphone, don’t despair – an inexpensive TRRS smart adapter will allow OTMP headset to work on a CTIA cellphone (and vice versa). This is by far one of the smallest I have found, and has pretty good build quality: Here.


MH1 and MH1C is close to identical on the outside.

Last few notes on this topic: (1) CTIA plug is compatible to almost all typical 3.5mm TRS socket, meaning you should be able to use the headset as typical IEM on any mp3 player (i.e. iPod, Cowon, Sansa Clip, etc). OMTP plug on the other is not compatible to most 3.5mm TRS socket and only sound normal with the TRRS smart adapter mentioned before or when you pressed the call button on the remote. (2) Given Apple iDevice also use the CTIA standard, you can use the MH1C on any iDevices as well, but the volume control and smart button won’t work. Only the call button is functional.

Just for fun, I ordered a pair of MH1C from DealExtreme and see if it is legitimate or not (*I also have the real MH1C sample directly from Sony). It turns out to be the real deal and it is the newer CTIA version as well. From the lack of packaging however, I’ll say they were probably taken from a full retail Xperia smartphone package (*some of the higher end Xperia smartphone come with MH1 as stock) and sold as a standalone product. Still, given I only paid less than $30 for a pair (retail is around $80), I’ll say it is well worth it. However, do note that even though I have received a real MH1C, it doesn’t mean you will too. Similarly, you can find a lot of ‘bulk’ deal of MH1 / MH1C on eBay, which may or may not be the real stuff. So buy it at your own risk.

Sound Quality
The IEM was given over 50 hours of burn-in before the review. At first, the bass can be a bit boomy while the presentation is more upfront than it should. In time, bass will settle down and the sense of space will improve. I do recommend a minimum 50 hours of burn-in (100 hours if you can) with MH1, but it is not mandatory. The IEM will sound good out-of-the-box - burn-in just tightens up the overall presentation and resolution.

The overall sound signature of MH1 is warm and sweet, while well balanced in all frequencies. Bass extends down to 10Hz and hits with really good quantity and quality. Not the fastest or biggest impact around, but nothing to be ashamed of even among bass monster. Mid is sweet and right in the butter zone to give the right balance of intimacy and texture while still maintains a good sense of layer and space. Treble extends up to the very top, but it is more about smoothness than it is brightness. While analytical listeners might not find the sparkle or crispiness to be enough for their taste, it still however compliments the mid and bass impeccably and doesn’t feel lacking in anyway. Soundstage is rather good. By no mean the best of the best or endlessly large, it does portrait width and depth in a very 3D, well layered and resolving manner within its own confine.

What I have noticed as I listened to MH1 during the course of evaluation is that this is an IEM that truly has bare minimum weakness in overall tuning. In fact, it excels in almost any genre I can throw at it – Pop, Alternative Rock, Vocal, Folk, Country, and even Classical – just name it. Granted it might not be the best at every genre, I will say it has some of the most consistent performance across the board… Okay, may be Electronic can use a bit more sparkles, but that’s about it - and it is not to say Electronic isn’t enjoyable on MH1 at all.


MH1 LiveSound (left) and MH1C Smart Headset (right)

Verdict
As I have mentioned before, the only complain I have with MH1 is its cable. I just wish that it was less awkward, which would have made the IEM a smashing success. Beyond that, it is a fully capable IEM that can actually compete easily with IEM that cost 3 times its original price, right at the edge of top-tier category. Even Sony’s own XBA-4 is not that far ahead of MH1. If you are like me, please put aside your bias against headset and give this a try. If you can get a real MH1 with those $30 bulk deals, it would be an absolute steal – much like the craze over ADDIEM (Apple dual driver IEM) a few years ago, except this is much better sounding and an even bigger bang for the bucks. I’ll wholeheartedly recommend it with a Sonic Diamond [4.95 / 5].

*A big thanks to Sony Mobile for the MH1C sample.

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Freq response, 1Hz-20kHz?
OMG! laugh.gif

And 2 sensitivity ratings, one for each driver....haven't seen specs written this way. And pretty high I might add.

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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Jul 4 2011, 11:35 PM)
Freq response, 1Hz-20kHz?
OMG!  laugh.gif

And 2 sensitivity ratings, one for each driver....haven't seen specs written this way. And pretty high I might add.
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2 sensitivity ratings, Macam hybrid kah? micro-dynamic + micro BA haha smile.gif I ask SE this on their FB page hope they can provide good awnser.


Added on July 5, 2011, 1:47 amAppple IEM 5Hz to 21kHz 23Ω, while Live Sound 1Hz-20kHz 15Ω. The more cover range the better phone rite? Low 1hz it is bass? 21kHz high kah?



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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Jul 5 2011, 01:44 AM)
2 sensitivity ratings, Macam hybrid kah? micro-dynamic + micro BA haha smile.gif I ask SE this on their FB page hope they can provide good awnser.


Added on July 5, 2011, 1:47 amAppple IEM 5Hz to 21kHz 23Ω, while Live Sound 1Hz-20kHz 15Ω. The more cover range the better phone rite? Low 1hz it is bass? 21kHz high kah?
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The UM Merlin custom has 4 BA and 1 dynamic but I don't see 5 different sensitivity ratings.

1Hz is bass, but that is ridiculous. An average human can hear only down to about 20Hz, and for special some probably lower. 21kHz is quite high. We can't hear it, but can sure annoy a dog or a cat. The wider the IEM can cover generally the better. However, it's not as simple as that.

The sound of a violin for example, is actually a very chaotic mash of different frequencies, producing one distinctive sound. So is everything in the world like the human voice, foot steps, door knocks, dog barks, flowing water, the click of a mouse, the tap of the keyboard, the hush of a wind, everything. Imagine a single IEM driver trying to produce the sound of one violin, and then add to that a singer, and then a few cellos, and then a piano, and a double bass, and then a clarinet, add some drums and a saxophone as well. See how complex it can be?
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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Jul 5 2011, 03:09 AM)
The UM Merlin custom has 4 BA and 1 dynamic but I don't see 5 different sensitivity ratings.

1Hz is bass, but that is ridiculous. An average human can hear only down to about 20Hz, and for special some probably lower. 21kHz is quite high. We can't hear it, but can sure annoy a dog or a cat. The wider the IEM can cover generally the better. However, it's not as simple as that.

The sound of a violin for example, is actually a very chaotic mash of different frequencies, producing one distinctive sound. So is everything in the world like the human voice, foot steps, door knocks, dog barks, flowing water, the click of a mouse, the tap of the keyboard, the hush of a wind, everything. Imagine a single IEM driver trying to produce the sound of one violin, and then add to that a singer, and then a few cellos, and then a piano, and a double bass, and then a clarinet, add some drums and a saxophone as well. See how complex it can be?
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we cant hear below 20Hz or above 20kHz..
but that doesnt mean we wont hear the difference on how frequency below 20Hz and above 20kHz affects what we hear.
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Jul 5 2011, 10:43 AM)
we cant hear below 20Hz or above 20kHz..
but that doesnt mean we wont hear the difference on how frequency below 20Hz and above 20kHz affects what we hear.
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Meh, I doubt that few milimeters driver were able to move at such low frequency. This is more marketing.
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Jul 5 2011, 10:43 AM)
we cant hear below 20Hz or above 20kHz..
but that doesnt mean we wont hear the difference on how frequency below 20Hz and above 20kHz affects what we hear.
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Yeah sure, I am not disagreeing that fact. Though being a good IEM isn't about having the best of the extremes. Liek I said before, even if it can do 1Hz to 40kHz, It won't be a good one if female vocals sound like males and pianos sound like they have pillows stuffed in them.

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design macam ortofon eq7 hybrid with jays cable.

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Jul 5 2011, 11:53 AM)
Meh, I doubt that few milimeters driver were able to move at such low frequency. This is more marketing.
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Lol crazy specs... would it be better than our Triple driver IEM? Which has MUCH INFERIOR specification.
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+1 for the spec

Wondering if BB can use it hmm.gif
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Well, technically, the spec about the sensitivity is correct. However, that is only applicable in the real-world when the 2 drivers are to become two separate IEMs. When those two drivers work together in a single housing, exiting the same sound tube, the real value would be a single number.

Having two numbers like that makes the specs seem more spectacular than they really are.
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design macam ortofon eq7 hybrid with jays cable.
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QUOTE(walabies @ Jul 5 2011, 07:05 PM)
Lol crazy specs... would it be better than our Triple driver IEM? Which has MUCH INFERIOR specification.
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Shure SE535 triple driver Frequency Range 18Hz – 19kHz, LiveSound F-response 1Hz-20kHz


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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Jul 7 2011, 04:37 PM)
Shure SE535 triple driver Frequency Range 18Hz – 19kHz, LiveSound F-response 1Hz-20kHz
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possibly 1-20kHz at -10db..
with only something like 400 to 10kHz at 0db..
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Check this up man smile.gif http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...0#entry44966265.


Added on August 28, 2011, 1:14 amI doubt the SQ cause so many allocation to the right management eg: SE LiveKey™ and the normal answer call button.

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What so special with the jays cable look alike? My Nokia N900 earphone bought earlier 2010 already use flat cable...
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Supposedly they are less prone to tangling and they are easier to untangle if they do.
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http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/a...n#view=overview

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1hz-21khz? Wow thats certainly oversaturating the specs.


even if it was that low, normal people can't hear below 20hz and above 20khz. Whats the use of having such a dynamic frequency? sweat.gif
QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Jul 5 2011, 12:02 PM)
Yeah sure, I am not disagreeing that fact. Though being a good IEM isn't about having the best of the extremes. Liek I said before, even if it can do 1Hz to 40kHz, It won't be a good one if female vocals sound like males and pianos sound like they have pillows stuffed in them.
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The special feature of LiveSound™ hi-fi headse is the SE LiveKey™
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...0#entry44966214

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QUOTE(KannaSai1 @ Oct 13 2011, 04:26 PM)

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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Jul 5 2011, 01:44 AM)
2 sensitivity ratings, Macam hybrid kah? micro-dynamic + micro BA haha smile.gif I ask SE this on their FB page hope they can provide good awnser.


Added on July 5, 2011, 1:47 amAppple IEM 5Hz to 21kHz 23Ω, while Live Sound 1Hz-20kHz 15Ω. The more cover range the better phone rite? Low 1hz it is bass? 21kHz high kah?
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It's either the spec has a mistake or they are just a marketing technique to trick people. Many cheap headphone/IEM can achieve 20hz-20khz but sound much worse than those high end headphone/IEM that don't even achieve such specs. Specs don't tell how good they sound. I think most human can hear/feel bass until as low as 10hz. you might not be able to hear it but your body will definitely hear it.

QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Jul 5 2011, 10:46 PM)
Well, technically, the spec about the sensitivity is correct. However, that is only applicable in the real-world when the 2 drivers are to become two separate IEMs. When those two drivers work together in a single housing, exiting the same sound tube, the real value would be a single number.

Having two numbers like that makes the specs seem more spectacular than they really are.
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Seems like it might be a dual driver. Who knows. But having two sensitivity specs is just another marketing strategy.
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http://www.inearmatters.net/2012/10/review...ept-secret.html

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http://www.head-fi.org/t/632892/review-son...est-kept-secret

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Bumping this thread with informative justice

Recently (to be accurate 8pm yesterday) i've gotten myself a Sony MW1 at dirt cheap price at PC expo JB. RM99. the seller admits there must be some pricing mistake. but thats what i'm paying whistling.gif the price is then changed to RM119 (i still lol) laugh.gif

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Dont say it is out of topic yet, the BT set is bundled with an iem variation of Sony livesound MH1 namely MH1a. a closer look at the tag:

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i'm not quite sure this variation is just a "shorten version" of MH1 according to Taikor ClieOS Review of Sony MW1 hmm.gif due to these reasons:

1) the freq range is 10hz-20khz while MH1 is 1hz-20khz
2) it doesnt mention the secondary sensitivity 125db@40hz (or its consumer least concern or no need to brag or whatever...)

does the spec meant for the BT itself or the earphone or both combined? as i know sensitivity exists with output only, not the source.

Here's a side by side comparison with my TF10:

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It kinda looks like ortofon but i believe a little smaller, the plug is different from MH1 which is L-shaped 4-pole TRRS as the mic is stripped of MH1a due to microphone handling is done by BT unit

i could only give quick initial expression due to newly obtained item. i will not review the BT unit btw due to the thread topic.
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QUOTE(jinggothegreat @ Nov 4 2012, 01:48 AM)
Bumping this thread with informative justice

Recently (to be accurate 8pm yesterday) i've gotten myself a Sony MW1 at dirt cheap price at PC expo JB. RM99. the seller admits there must be some pricing mistake. but thats what i'm paying  whistling.gif the price is then changed to RM119 (i still lol)  laugh.gif

user posted image

Dont say it is out of topic yet, the BT set is bundled with an iem variation of Sony livesound MH1 namely MH1a. a closer look at the tag:

user posted image

i'm not quite sure this variation is just a "shorten version" of MH1 according to Taikor ClieOS Review of Sony MW1 hmm.gif due to these reasons:

1) the freq range is 10hz-20khz while MH1 is 1hz-20khz
2) it doesnt mention the secondary sensitivity 125db@40hz (or its consumer least concern or no need to brag or whatever...)

does the spec meant for the BT itself or the earphone or both combined? as i know sensitivity exists with output only, not the source.

Here's a side by side comparison with my TF10:

user posted image

It kinda looks like ortofon but i believe a little smaller, the plug is different from MH1 which is L-shaped 4-pole TRRS as the mic is stripped of MH1a due to microphone handling is done by BT unit

i could only give quick initial expression due to newly obtained item. i will not review the BT unit btw due to the thread topic.
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QUOTE(jinggothegreat @ Nov 4 2012, 03:48 AM)

Recently (to be accurate 8pm yesterday) i've gotten myself a Sony MW1 at dirt cheap price at PC expo JB. RM99. the seller admits there must be some pricing mistake. but thats what i'm paying  whistling.gif the price is then changed to RM119 (i still lol)  laugh.gif
What a steal. Retail price should be around RM450 and even online price is > RM300. There must be some pricing error as seller is losing money over this.


QUOTE(jinggothegreat @ Nov 4 2012, 03:48 AM)

i'm not quite sure this variation is just a "shorten version" of MH1 according to Taikor ClieOS Review of Sony MW1 hmm.gif due to these reasons:

1) the freq range is 10hz-20khz while MH1 is 1hz-20khz
2) it doesnt mention the secondary sensitivity 125db@40hz (or its consumer least concern or no need to brag or whatever...)
They are the same thing. I was told by the Sony Mobile engineer who developed both models.
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QUOTE(ClieOS @ Nov 4 2012, 07:32 PM)
What a steal. Retail price should be around RM450 and even online price is > RM300. There must be some pricing error as seller is losing money over this.
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Indeed. I've aimed the thing for months already, lurking ebay and amazon for good deals. I got the mw600 model but its not quite what i need because of BT2.0 spec which prevent good audio streaming for lossless playbacks fot bitrate >1000kbps. The only thing that holding me back in buying MW1 is the "BT3.0" spec as full potential of new bluetooth 3.0 only unleashed if both device paired got the prefix "+HS" please lookup more info from wiki or bluetooth dot com site.

Yesterday i walked at pc expo jb at persada with my fren and stumbled upon MW1 priced at rm99 and asked for more discount for 2 units. Unfortunately after some checking, the sales rep told us its already discounted from rm119 (i laugh at this statement) and told us the price tagging for pc expo was messed up. We pay rm198 for 2 units and the price tag was changed to rm119 afterwards laugh.gif (still cheap btw). I exited the premise with excitement. icon_idea.gif

Tried mw1 bt3.0 and confirmed that lossless streaming is perfectly working out. No jitters, skipping or radio disturbance. cool.gif . There's no need for "+HS" as per my listening
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Didn't find that offer at KL pc expo. cry.gif I super jelly. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jinggothegreat @ Nov 4 2012, 08:11 PM)
Indeed. I've aimed the thing for months already, lurking ebay and amazon for good deals. I got the mw600 model but its not quite what i need because of BT2.0 spec which prevent good audio streaming for lossless playbacks fot bitrate >1000kbps. The only thing that holding me  back in buying MW1 is the "BT3.0" spec as full potential of new bluetooth 3.0 only unleashed if both device paired got the prefix "+HS" please lookup more info from wiki or bluetooth dot com site.

Yesterday i walked at pc expo jb at persada with my fren and stumbled upon MW1 priced at rm99 and asked for more discount for 2 units. Unfortunately after some checking, the sales rep told us its already discounted from rm119 (i laugh at this statement) and told us the price tagging for pc expo was messed up. We pay rm198 for 2 units and the price tag was changed to rm119 afterwards laugh.gif (still cheap btw). I exited the premise with excitement. icon_idea.gif

Tried mw1 bt3.0 and confirmed that lossless streaming is perfectly working out. No jitters, skipping or radio disturbance. cool.gif . There's no need for "+HS" as per my listening
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bro what the difference between bt3.0 vs bt4.0? I know only 4.0 are low power


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QUOTE(Agnaem @ Nov 4 2012, 08:22 PM)
Didn't find that offer at KL pc expo. cry.gif I super jelly. tongue.gif
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me too WT* rm99 can get stereo bt ohmy.gif


Added on November 4, 2012, 11:59 pmpossible of use wifi as audio streaming
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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Nov 4 2012, 11:13 PM)
bro what the difference between bt3.0 vs bt4.0? I know only 4.0 are low power
yes, all features of BT3.0+HS and low power
QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Nov 4 2012, 11:13 PM)
possible of use wifi as audio streaming
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BT3.0+HS already using wifi 2.4ghz band & 802.11 protocols, love to discuss more but the thread is derailing from its intended topic. might as well open a new topic for BT headsets.

I'll try burn in the MH1a for 100hours as recommended by taiko ClieOS and update the changes here if i got time.
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QUOTE(jinggothegreat @ Nov 5 2012, 09:22 AM)
yes, all features of BT3.0+HS and low power

BT3.0+HS already using wifi 2.4ghz band & 802.11 protocols, love to discuss more but the thread is derailing from its intended topic. might as well open a new topic for BT headsets.

I'll try burn in the MH1a for 100hours as recommended by taiko ClieOS and update the changes here if i got time.
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Bulk order bro? brows.gif

lol
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Mine has arrived today with a resounding msg from the home minister , "You bought another headphone!" laugh.gif

Anyway the hype (both pros & cons) about these babies were true. Let's start with the bad,
1) non-friendly cable which I easily accustomed after a whole
2) fit

All what has been great about MH1cs already been told and they are true. This by far the best sounding sub RM 300 you can get on the market right now. Bass really goes deep but without the boomyness of bass signature. It's like FX101 bass with the sub bass tightened really tight. Good extension on the highs without becoming fatiguing. Just barely enough for my treble fix.Warmish mids.

If you read the reviews, there were few 2-3 non-recommendation as they sounded crap & to me it was. It was muddy and lack of detail, like Beats but without the the extensions at both ends.

Turns out, from my amatuerish hypothesis, the reason is MH1 has a focused narrow beam of soundwave. With this laser like beam, a wrong insertion would ends up the soundwave bouncing around the walls in the ear canal thus the sounds bleeds to the eardrum. This caused the horrible signature that most of the complaints about.

Fitting is the key as wrong insertion could provide a significant difference in sound quality. I speculate that when people said MH1Cs started to shine after burn in was due infact to the ears adapted to fit the IEM better.

With a proper insertion or rather for me a semi insertion, the wave was able to be focused straight to the ear drum which upon impact, be prepare for an audio nirvana any sub RM 300 headphone could provide.

I found for me to get that soundwave pointed straight to the ear drums is by wearing them somewhere between earbuds and IEM. Not too shallow & not too deep. Even though it is shallower than normal IEM, the isolation is better and the rubbery texture did hold well to prevent MH1C from falling. The stock tips given gave a good isolation, better than comply tips.

TL;DR IEM as hyped. Even for RM 250, it is definitely worth it but at current sub price of USD 30, it is a steal!

Wonder why MH1C is sooquiet around here?
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How about this to the beyerdynamic XP3/2/1?


Added on November 9, 2012, 1:15 am30 US dollars = 91.9050 Malaysian ringgits

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QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Nov 8 2012, 11:03 PM)
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it does lean more to pop/jazz/country. metal/symphonic song would sound very very bad. here, try my song tested on MH1a previously



try bear with the ~10mins song cool.gif


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QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Nov 8 2012, 11:03 PM)
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That's quite encouraging review. I already ordered mine...
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Hi bro, where did you order yours? I'm interested to get a pair too.
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QUOTE(Aquanox28 @ Nov 9 2012, 08:11 PM)
Hi bro, where did you order yours? I'm interested to get a pair too.
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You can find them on ebay. around usd28 got d biggrin.gif
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Hi just got my MH1C.

My first and current impression is that the sound does not impress me. If I am being honest, I'll say that it does sound like a stock earphone nothing in particular stands out.

And I can't seem to fit the eartip in my ear, keep falling out.

Anyway still in the process of burning. Let see whether it get better.

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Update: After more than 100hours burning the sound does get better. But fitting it into my ear seems like an impossible task. I'm planning to sell it.
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QUOTE(farisq @ Dec 26 2012, 01:38 PM)
Update: After more than 100hours burning the sound does get better. But fitting it into my ear seems like an impossible task. I'm planning to sell it.
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sell to me.. cool.gif
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QUOTE(aizielectreon @ Jan 12 2013, 11:28 PM)
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Just want to share something crazy rclxub.gif shocking.gif

http://www.head-fi.org/t/632892/review-son...0#post_10826504

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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Aug 28 2014, 01:18 AM)
Just want to share something crazy  rclxub.gif  shocking.gif

http://www.head-fi.org/t/632892/review-son...0#post_10826504

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shocking.gif

any report how it sounds?
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QUOTE(Ask_Yip @ Aug 28 2014, 06:31 AM)
shocking.gif

any report how it sounds?
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do it on Piston laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Aug 28 2014, 02:05 PM)
do it on Piston  laugh.gif
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wrong thread wei

xiaomi ---> that way biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Aug 28 2014, 01:18 AM)
Just want to share something crazy  rclxub.gif  shocking.gif
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Nice find laugh.gif

btw for me its hard to keep the driver adjacent(90 deg) to my ear as the tip keep plunging while i walk and deteriorate the placement of the earpiece.

 

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