7 months through my phD, hoping to publish a paper soon
Yeah, I've heard that paper reviews are often rather demoralizing one haha
Academic Research Thread, MPhil/PhD candidate/holder welcome!
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Jul 15 2011, 06:29 PM
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phD postgraduate here
7 months through my phD, hoping to publish a paper soon Yeah, I've heard that paper reviews are often rather demoralizing one haha |
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Jul 16 2011, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 15 2011, 06:46 PM) that's Elsevier! hahahah Thanks bro haha~@[PF] T.J. Try targeting at non-ISI journal if you thrive for the feeling of getting your paper published. By the way the comments given by international reviewers are useful in your PhD writing too =) Remember don't publish the whole idea to journal prior to submission of your PhD. Well, my scholarship requires Q1 and Q2 ISI journals only haha Yeah, most seasoned researchers will say that the comments given are always very critical and well-thought of, they may not be sweet to them ears/eyes, but then its for our own good Bro, what do you mean "don't publish the whole idea to journal prior to submission of your phD"? Sorry noob here hehe Added on July 16, 2011, 12:17 pm QUOTE(zahirani @ Jul 15 2011, 11:51 PM) hurm, for me it is OK to target a non-ISI journal; easier to publish, less strict editor/reviewer. but my supervisor keep on insist to publish on those ISI journal. wants to keep up his records, don't want to publish in those journal without a high impact factor. pity for us students attempt to publish into those high impact factor journal usually resulted in paper rejection. as a result ---> morale down... I understand how you feel bro, its all about KPI nowadays in Universities all over the globe... those who fail to perform will be kicked out... Personally I don't think its very fair since certain fields are not as popular as others... so publishing papers won't as easy This post has been edited by [PF] T.J.: Jul 16 2011, 12:17 PM |
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Jul 18 2011, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Jul 17 2011, 02:06 PM) gogo tj sifu +u+u! wanna read ur paper arh.... giv me link when u publish.. hehe... though i may not understand.. lolx....\ i think he means dun publish whole idea in journal before final phd cz scare people steal idea..... Well, its not easy to steal idea for my field, so not really worried there haha But then will still be careful; later all my hard work go to waste Added on July 18, 2011, 12:14 pm QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 17 2011, 03:49 PM) yeah Ivan helped me to convey the meaning of that sentence. Many thanks for the advice bro, appreciate it~ Normally a PhD would have several 'research objectives'. I have seen comments from other forums saying they are producing 3 separate journals out of their PHD thesis. My currently targeted journal "Journal of Accounting Education" doesn't carry an impact factor, and their reviews were sharp and piercing to heart lol... but at least they do expressly encourage the writer, otherwise submitting a phailed journal will result in humiliation =D Yeah, one phD title doesn't mean one journal hehe, its quite common in my field since each project might touch on different aspects/ fields and sometimes not all of these can be accepted or will be too messy for a single publication There are ppl who practice "salami slicing", now those are unethical This post has been edited by [PF] T.J.: Jul 18 2011, 12:14 PM |
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Jul 18 2011, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(zahirani @ Jul 18 2011, 11:33 AM) humiliation, rejection, sharp piercing to the heart comment; I guess we Asians, particularly Malaysians are not that familiar with foreign cultures at giving criticisms I guess that the barrier we authors need to face if we want to publish international papers. Ppl here tend to beat about the bush when criticizing ppl |
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Jul 18 2011, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Jul 18 2011, 12:15 PM) surprised to see me lurking here also leh? Words of advice, enjoy degree life while you can yo... go on trips during them semester breaks, if not no chance le lolx..... blink blink ha eyes adi past few years.. lolx... nt looong way leh... |
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Jul 18 2011, 12:18 PM
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Jul 19 2011, 08:51 AM
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QUOTE(zahirani @ Jul 18 2011, 12:37 PM) means that 1 part of the research were split into few papers instead should be 1 part = 1 paper. Yup, nice way of putting it bro some kind of shortcut way to publish more papers but with limited data/experiment... correct? Added on July 19, 2011, 8:52 am QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Jul 18 2011, 03:12 PM) owh... ok.... haha... so... when are you joining us? hehe nw clearer abit,,.. hehe... thx.... wish u all the best in publishing ur papers! This post has been edited by [PF] T.J.: Jul 19 2011, 08:52 AM |
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Jul 20 2011, 09:28 PM
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Jul 22 2011, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Jul 21 2011, 11:46 PM) welcome BatuItu. Yeah, no point getting stressed and worrying 24/7 all over a few darn papers may we encourage you in your journey of obtaining your Master degree. Strike a balance between research and your personal life too. Other than that we will need enthusiastic and unwavering commitment in completing the journey =) Relax from time to time, chill out with friends, chat with supervisors, it'll help release the tension... at least it works for me whenever I feel stressed |
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Aug 15 2011, 09:07 PM
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^ No worries bro... its normal
Part and parcel of getting the final piece of art~ This post has been edited by [PF] T.J.: Aug 15 2011, 09:09 PM |
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Aug 16 2011, 10:48 PM
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Nice share~ |
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Apr 4 2012, 12:34 AM
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QUOTE(lopo90 @ Mar 24 2012, 12:48 AM) Hmm, I'm just wondering. Is it true that some people who are doing their thesis only take references that supports their research and not those that may be able to disprove their research? That was what my lecturer told us during a lecture. QUOTE(tester @ Mar 24 2012, 05:13 PM) Is this the way they do things in Malaysia??? Well, most of the time people who do research will tend to find facts that support their theory/ objectives... everybody just loves positive results, don't they? No... you should instead try to explain the observed differences between your results and others - why your results don't agree with others. Maybe they used different methodologies? What, then, are the merits of your methodologies and how your results can fit into the big picture (ie. the collective knowledge of your research topic so far). A proper research should take into account all the positive/negative points of a particular topic/technology etc. prior to initiation of a project, which is why the planning and designing of a project is very important.. As for those biased thesis/papers focusing only on the positive side of the topic/technology etc., most of the time they won't get passed the reviewers (who are a whole lot more experienced in the field), especially for international papers |
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Apr 4 2012, 12:35 AM
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QUOTE(mistabean @ Mar 30 2012, 04:06 PM) Yeah, I thought so too. But isn't there lecturer whose focus is solely on teaching and not researching? (Other than applying new knowledge, that is) QUOTE(seanwc101 @ Mar 30 2012, 05:30 PM) seanwc is right, lecturers in college only need to focus on teaching, although they may take up research as well if they want to |
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Apr 4 2012, 12:39 AM
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QUOTE(Blofeld @ Mar 20 2012, 09:00 AM) Depending on some fields, doing the PhD itself is considered a "working experience". I agree~ Although I can only comment on the field of science For example, a psychologist doing a PhD research, that itself is a working experience for the psychologist. Or those in the pure science field, doing their PhD research is already an experience by itself. I know that many tend to think that PhD is all about theory which is not true at all. PhD involves intense research, including both primary (field) research (this is where you have to go out and meet people or the object of your research) and secondary (library) research. The amount of experiences and pressure gained in scienctific research is probably more intense than say, taking up a regular job; (but then of course it depends on how hard you push yourself also la)... So much more to learn, so much more to do.. and not to mention so much stress to take in, especially when the project is not doing well haha |
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Apr 4 2012, 12:40 AM
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No one new from Biological Science? I has a sad
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Apr 4 2012, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(tester @ Apr 4 2012, 07:01 AM) Being able to challenge and explain why others' results not agreeing with yours give so much more credibility to your research, providing that your data is solid enough. This is what science is about, after all. True that Its not easy though haha~ I've seen some older reviewers who are rather "closed-minded" and insisted that their methods are "correct" and unwilling to accept other ppl's work Added on April 4, 2012, 10:28 am QUOTE(seanwc101 @ Apr 4 2012, 01:05 AM) A literature review that supports the hypotheses can be a double-edged sword - it can strengthen our hypotheses, and at the same time decreasing the novelty of research paper. Since so much research already shown positive results, there's little value to conduct studies on similar issue. Yeap, which is why we don't conduct studies on similar issues in the 1st place? This post has been edited by [PF] T.J.: Apr 4 2012, 10:28 AM |
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Apr 4 2012, 11:43 PM
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QUOTE(alexkos @ Apr 4 2012, 12:56 PM) you may conduct similar topic, even with large amount of literature review in such area. As long as your justification is logical, arguing that Hi bro, long time no see why your study is different, or why theirs are different from your objective and why your study will fill in the gap of knowledge In social science, it boils down to the ability of a researcher to justify. Of course, with sound and critical literature review and valid and reliable research methods. background review- state what researcher did, and their result. critical review- criticise their work (not person, be careful), comment on their result, find their flaw, highlight the loopholes. The best way to aim is their sampling technique. Good to see a discussion going on =) Some say review papers are the easiest to write since it doesn't involve any benchworks (for Science) Anyway, I agree with the sampling and experimental design. its very hard to obtain very reliable results, especially without the help of a statistician |
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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Apr 4 2012, 11:56 PM) Added on April 4, 2012, 11:58 pm On the contrary, I find that review papers are very difficult to write because it involves very profound understanding on the subject matter. Get one good review paper published, your citation will soar too Really need to read ALOT on the subject first before we are actually capable of writing... Although some supervisors do recommend their students to write review papers, I'm not very sure that its a good idea because I think one requires a lot of (or at least enough) experiences in the field before one should write a review paper. The impact of a review paper is really significant since people will be following suggestions on potential work by you (stress man!) Still, the citations seemed very tempting hehe~ I hope I'll be able to write one (or requested to write one), maybe 10-20 years from now haha |
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QUOTE(douji @ Apr 6 2012, 11:16 PM) Does it means they are the publisher, editor and reviewer of the journal? I do notice before, but since they hold position as associate prof, so nobody questionized it.. QUOTE(Human Nature @ Apr 6 2012, 11:20 PM) Some they are the editor of the same journal, but i would think that the paper will be reviewed by the assoc editors On a related note, anyone here is a reviewer? i think one should get involve in peer-review as well. QUOTE(alexkos @ Apr 7 2012, 12:02 AM) I believe that the 'review paper' we are discussing here is also referred as 'conceptual paper' in my field. In social science/business, I've seen a PhD candidate secure her proposal defense because she published one conceptual paper to lock her model. Agreed, usually its those who are very experienced in their field who are requested to write review papers on the subject. And it just so happens that these experienced people are also high-ranked I wish to write a review paper too. But what is said, it requires deep knowledge in one subject area. I've been looking into my field 'communication apprehension' for at least 2 years. So can I write? Possibly no, because I am no assoc. prof D= @Human Nature, I think you are referring to a different type of reviewer I guess we won't have our say, not until we finish our studies and publish a few more papers |
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