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Aug 26 2011, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Aug 2 2012, 09:45 AM) How to test that the airbag is in working condition for any car? What about other so called "safety" devices? 1. electronics components have self-test embedded, especially for critical partsMost of them are controlled electronically by some sort of microchip. Is there any possibility that those devices will fail when needed. Yes, they worked perfectly in lab or in control environment. But, will it work during the needed time. My computer and phone also freezed. For example, my computer sometimes works perfectly when it is tested before a presentation, but, freeze during the presentation. And, work again after the presentation. iPhone and China clone iPhone both work fine as a phone except that the later is cheaper. Is the cloned one is reliable if the original's reliability is also cannot be fully trusted? Any car manufacturer can fit many of the so called "safety" devices. Will they work as intended? Do you get high quality "safety" devices, or some China cloned one? Especially if the car's price is far cheaper from it's competitors. We have research a lot for literature to support our "hypothesis" that these "safety" devices are good and needed. Perhaps, now is the time to review on the contradiction. (e.g. airbag, safety, etc.) which you can see in most cars nowadays, it will perform self-test first when you turn-on the ignition key. 2. automotive electronics' safety/reliability requirements are FAR more stringent compared to laptops/phones, as they're bound by automotive electronics council (www.aecouncil.com).. so, imo comparing a car's electronics system to a laptop is somewhat apple to orange. 3. well-known car manufacturers will get original parts.. i haven't heard of any China clone electronics replacing original electronics parts in automotive before, but it does happen in non-automotive ones (e.g. laptops, phones) again, due to stringent requirements. 4. safety devices failures are continuously being researched, developed and improved by automotive manufacturers and the outcomes from these are passed over to electronics manufacturers to ensure additional self-tests, reliability, responsivity, etc. are added in into new generation electronics/ successor electronics parts which will be fitted in future cars. 5. in terms of electronics parts' pricing, yes every year there are negotiations to reduce prices, but at the same time quality governs first. This post has been edited by pokchik: Aug 2 2012, 04:59 PM |
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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Aug 2 2012, 10:34 PM) 1. If you google for esp you can find many reports on false positive warning. So, is this test 100% reliable? 1. since the trend of automotive electronics keep increasing, 2. Do they strictly follow it? E.g. Last time proton suffers from faulty power window. 3. Yes, it is original, but, made in China to save costs and QC is sometimes questionable. 4. How long b4 they correct the error. Need to build new plant right. 5. I have no comment on this matter. Imho, law enforcement is needed here. rest assured, quality of electronics are more and more being put in the spot and this goes waayyyy back to the supplier line.. googling up can give you news and info, but to what extent the info goes/if the info gives actual root cause of the issue.. even the news is not 100% sure. 2. One word. Proton. 'nuff said. oh, btw - faulty power window by proton should not only caused by electronics.. if i'm not mistaken. the window module was built by various suppliers, starting from silicon supplier > chip maker > pcb module manufacturer > whole window assembly.. besides, to give assurance, as per what i mentioned - quality was being put under the spotlight nowadays, and thus the lifetime warranty was introduced by proton. wonder how's the quality of power windows on recent proton cars now, didn't look into it. 3. most auto electronics suppliers hv backed out of china, because - you're right, china's quality was like.. but then again, electronic suppliers hv tried to concentrate on other manufacturing sites - malaysia, korea, singapore, batam.. and the cases of counterfeits were rarely found in auto electronics because i can assure you, the quality supply chain in automotive is being greatly scrutinized and being dealt with. i know freescale has a plant in china, although it's producing automotive electronics chips, they're more concentrated on infotainment stuffs and not safety related - those which if broken, e.g. your radio - doesn't affect safety of the passengers inside. 4. 'error corrections', or re-designs can be done in a jiffy. in fact, car manufacturers (well, the good ones, of course) hv a good planning of coming models, and they've started development of newer electronics with their suppliers wayyyy before the car is being manufactured.. it's how they keep their RnD/new car models going. to add up, do you know that it takes almost 1 year to really qualify an electronics device within a car? this takes into consideration the reliability tests and documentations, which shows the tight measures taken to ensure quality.. besides, car manufacturers drive cars too.. they have families driving cars, and they sure don't want to put lives in jeopardy. |
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