Toyota Camry is Coming, Check out the teaser by Toyota President
New Toyota Camry 2012, is Really coming now!
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 Jul 2 2011, 02:05 AM, updated 15y ago
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cruze + accord on the front
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Jul 2 2011, 02:38 AM
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dont look nice to me
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not bad.looks less uncle-ish
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QUOTE(psycho1 @ Jul 2 2011, 02:52 AM) isn't that the SG camry? |
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Yukkk..
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QUOTE(phas3r @ Jul 2 2011, 02:54 AM) isn't that the SG camry? no... its the US version CAMRY...  the selling price is only 20,195USD or 60,958 if converted to ringgit for base line 2.5L version...  |
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Jul 2 2011, 03:00 AM
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The teaser here: http://youtu.be/SgYeP4ssKNA
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Jul 2 2011, 03:04 AM
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QUOTE(psycho1 @ Jul 2 2011, 02:52 AM) not this one bro, this is the current US version camry |
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Jul 2 2011, 03:47 AM
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Looks much aggressive than the current 1, dunno whether uncles will like it or not...
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Jul 2 2011, 09:37 AM
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as usual... the front design in V shape... then later facelift using X shape...
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Jul 2 2011, 01:26 PM
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It look like the current 2011 Mark X
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Jul 2 2011, 01:36 PM
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the lamp might not be exactly the same as pic...well the video only expose the right headlamp
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Jul 2 2011, 09:48 PM
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Hmmm... Direct injection, 6 speed tranny or CVT, Dual VVT, ... Hopefully not disappointing
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Jul 2 2011, 10:11 PM
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valvematic?
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Jul 2 2011, 11:55 PM
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Definately looks sporty! It will be more appealing to the younger generation.
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Jul 3 2011, 12:03 AM
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more luxury feel, more reliable feel, more comfort feel
the best car in the market >< |
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Jul 3 2011, 09:09 AM
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Altis big brother lo.
very altis alike shape |
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Jul 3 2011, 10:41 AM
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Not Dual VVti engine?
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Jul 3 2011, 10:52 AM
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looks like toyota and subaru's collaboration didnt stop at just FT86...
very similar design.. lol..  This post has been edited by kevin613: Jul 3 2011, 10:53 AM |
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QUOTE(kevin613 @ Jul 3 2011, 10:52 AM) looks like toyota and subaru's collaboration didnt stop at just FT86... 98% identicalvery similar design.. lol.. |
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Jul 3 2011, 11:24 AM
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ugly design???
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Jul 3 2011, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(psycho1 @ Jul 2 2011, 02:52 AM) thats just the current gen US camry..if its already out, then no need to tease or guess liao..  |
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Jul 3 2011, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(kevin613 @ Jul 3 2011, 11:38 AM) thats just the current gen US camry.. Yes there is absolutely nothing on the net about the 2012 Camry except the pic of its lights. All other phots are the US version or the current Asian version. if its already out, then no need to tease or guess liao.. Everybody is really waiting for the new Camry. Hope it gets a new engine and gearbox plus more safety specs. |
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Jul 3 2011, 01:28 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 3 2011, 12:32 PM) Yes there is absolutely nothing on the net about the 2012 Camry except the pic of its lights. All other phots are the US version or the current Asian version. SA mentioned that the "Dual VVTI" engine will be in the all new Camry!Everybody is really waiting for the new Camry. Hope it gets a new engine and gearbox plus more safety specs. |
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Jul 3 2011, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(kokben @ Jul 2 2011, 02:05 AM) Not bad...  |
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QUOTE • 7 speed dual vvti 2.5 • 6 airbags • VSC,ESP(ABS,EBD,BA),TRAC,HAC • HID HEADLAMPS WITH AUTO LEVEL ,AUTO ON/OFF FEATURE AND DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS AND LED TAIL LAMPS • BLUETOOTH HANDSFREE CONTROL • GPS NAVIGATION WITH REVERSE CAMERA • WOODTRIM • 8 WAY POWER DRIVER SEAT CONTROL AND ASSITANT SEAT • POWER START BUTTON • CRUISE CONTROL • POWER FOLDING MIRROR (ALIKE LIKE BMW .ITS GOES UP) AND ALSO LANE DEPARTURE WARNING • RAIN SENSING WASHER –LINKED VARIABLE INTERMITTENT WINDSHIELD WIPERS • POWER SUNROOF • DUAL REAR PASSENGER AUTOMATIC AIR COND WITH DIGITAL VIEW • VENTILATED PERFORATED LEATHER SEATS(BEIDGE) • PRICE IS EXPECTED BELOW 170K ABOVE 160K from autoworld forum.take it with a pinch of salt as with other rumours |
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Jul 3 2011, 02:53 PM
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nice rim , quite sporty front, wondering when would the launch be
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Jul 3 2011, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE(Sh@rty 5 @ Jul 3 2011, 02:53 PM) nice rim , quite sporty front, wondering when would the launch be Thats the current camry in US la. |
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Jul 3 2011, 05:50 PM
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jul 3 2011, 02:04 PM) from autoworld forum.take it with a pinch of salt as with other rumours Thats the specs for the current US Camry la. |
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QUOTE(ZeneticX @ Jul 3 2011, 02:04 PM) from autoworld forum.take it with a pinch of salt as with other rumours If it has all these features, it will be a good buy  |
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Jul 3 2011, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 3 2011, 05:50 PM) Thats the specs for the current US Camry la. • PRICE IS EXPECTED BELOW 170K ABOVE 160Kincluding this sentence?  |
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Jul 3 2011, 08:35 PM
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Please bring in high capacity engine then we can have this:
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Jul 3 2011, 09:16 PM
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i believe umw will bring in more better specs this time round, since the market competition is strong now with sonata, optima and peugeot 507 launching soon.
unless the marketing team is really a bunch of shallow minds thking they can survive the market with just the fan base alone |
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Jul 3 2011, 09:44 PM
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when's it going to launch?
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Jul 3 2011, 10:30 PM
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The trend of Dual VVTI now ...this camry look alike Altis ...or i should say the other way around
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Jul 4 2011, 08:57 AM
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ya... when expected in msia???
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Jul 5 2011, 03:15 PM
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That's a bit like current Civic =_=
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Jul 5 2011, 03:38 PM
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The new Camry does look a bit like the latest Toyota Mark X.
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Jul 5 2011, 03:59 PM
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Toyota won't drastically change all the specs/equipment to maintain current owners 'resale value'.
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Jul 5 2011, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(Inscrutable @ Jul 5 2011, 03:15 PM) That's a bit like current Civic =_= Yes, in term of the headlights. Actually I feel the same on VW Passat CC too. |
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Jul 6 2011, 09:06 AM
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saw there is a video clip on the new camry lauching... but too bad, it has been removed from shared over you tube...
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Jul 6 2011, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(Walala123 @ Jul 2 2011, 02:38 AM) dont look nice to me i second this. looks fugly |
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Jul 6 2011, 10:56 PM
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is it come with dual vvti and CVT gear 7 speed?
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Jul 6 2011, 11:16 PM
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when arrive here???
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really poisoning....
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looks like lexus...
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Jul 13 2011, 01:35 AM
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that's good
won't make the current camry look too outdated |
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so altis-ish
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Can feel the comfort there.
Looks sleek and smooth. |
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Jul 13 2011, 09:19 AM
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die die also must get this car then.... really nice piece of engineering...
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QUOTE(gunh @ Jul 4 2011, 08:57 AM) ya... when expected in msia??? any latest technology ?or any big different from the current ? |
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QUOTE(alpha0201 @ Jul 12 2011, 08:30 AM) at least the headlamp doesnt match the 1 in the teaser video.. see this..  This post has been edited by kevin613: Jul 13 2011, 03:47 PM |
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QUOTE(masao343 @ Jul 6 2011, 10:18 AM) i second this. looks fugly camry target audience is that category of people. its good that its fugly. means they are gettin it consistent. |
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Jul 13 2011, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE(kevin613 @ Jul 13 2011, 03:47 PM) i think thats just an artist impression, not the real deal... you mustn't forget that there were 2 Camry variants for the past 2 generations to cater different regions.at least the headlamp doesnt match the 1 in the teaser video.. Akio Toyoda unveiled the car to the Toyota dealers in North America which is the biggest market for Camry. I'm fairly convinced that this is what we're going to get.   |
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Jul 13 2011, 05:14 PM
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our current camry is based on the toyota aurion (or camry prestige) in australia.which is a good thing actually
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Jul 13 2011, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE(alpha0201 @ Jul 13 2011, 04:31 PM) you mustn't forget that there were 2 Camry variants for the past 2 generations to cater different regions. ok... make sense..Akio Toyoda unveiled the car to the Toyota dealers in North America which is the biggest market for Camry. I'm fairly convinced that this is what we're going to get. then the 1 that we're suppose to get looks boring compared to the US model.. |
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Jul 13 2011, 10:17 PM
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2012 Camry also come with Hybrid variant
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Jul 13 2011, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE(kevin613 @ Jul 13 2011, 04:47 PM) i think thats just an artist impression, not the real deal... dont forget camry got 2 version.. at least the headlamp doesnt match the 1 in the teaser video.. see this.. "euro and asia" |
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Jul 13 2011, 11:16 PM
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Front headlights is FD2-ish....
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Jul 13 2011, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(SteadyPana @ Jul 13 2011, 10:17 PM) 2012 Camry also come with Hybrid variant Current one oso got..... |
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Jul 13 2011, 11:23 PM
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QUOTE(alpha0201 @ Jul 12 2011, 08:30 AM) |
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Jul 17 2011, 11:58 PM
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Not bad design.
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y it reminds me of current civic
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Jul 18 2011, 06:35 AM
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is it true???
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Jul 18 2011, 09:31 AM
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somehow i feel japanese design gonna sark these few years. so be prepare. lol.
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Jul 22 2011, 01:46 PM
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any update for this topic? or perhaps pics of camry 2012?
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Jul 22 2011, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Jul 22 2011, 01:46 PM) any update for this topic? or perhaps pics of camry 2012? y u so malas one? scroll up la got big picture u kenot see? click previous page also got more picture. |
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QUOTE(NINJIAO @ Jul 18 2011, 09:31 AM) somehow i feel japanese design gonna sark these few years. so be prepare. lol. japanese is towards conservative design, unlike the aggresive and radical styling of the koreans,each got their pros and consconservative design won't make the pre facelift model look too outdated, it will appear as a different model. |
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Jul 24 2011, 04:06 PM
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I am waiting for the new camry 2012...I hope the engine will be different from current model lol....
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Jul 24 2011, 05:02 PM
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if they dun bring in CVT and dual VVTI, it will definitely lose out a lot potential customer unless those die-hard camry fans.
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Jul 24 2011, 05:13 PM
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Will it look like this one? the eyes similar..can't find interios and rear view.
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Jul 24 2011, 07:02 PM
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prefer the lower part of the bumper open outwards to for a "X" factor... like the current facelift camry...
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Jul 25 2011, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE(alpha0201 @ Jul 22 2011, 01:55 PM) y u so malas one? scroll up la got big picture u kenot see? click previous page also got more picture. The Chinese paper pics are off the current model not the 2012 model. |
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Jul 25 2011, 12:08 AM
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heard the engine will be 2.5cc V6 engine for new camry....is that true?
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Jul 25 2011, 09:05 AM
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even they have, there will be the 2.0 engine for the msia market demand... 2.4 or 2.5 or 3.0 will only be niche market in msia...
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Jul 25 2011, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 25 2011, 12:04 AM) The Chinese paper pics are off the current model not the 2012 model. u kenot tell the difference between chinese & japanese characters?This post has been edited by alpha0201: Jul 25 2011, 09:48 AM |
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QUOTE(gunh @ Jul 25 2011, 09:05 AM) even they have, there will be the 2.0 engine for the msia market demand... 2.4 or 2.5 or 3.0 will only be niche market in msia... actually 2.4 or 2.5 still ok... the 3.0 v6 are the niche markets cos they cost over 200k... for that price, a lot will go conti already... so far i only saw 1 latest accord 3.0v6 on the road... |
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Did anybody see the pics of the 2012 Camry Hybrid during desert testing in US?
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2...ndisguised.html Really ugly if u ask me! If this is design is gonna be for the Malaysian market also, then Toyota is in for a shitty year ahead for sure.  |
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Aug 2 2011, 03:23 PM
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Hmm... copy City/Forte front light, make a thinner Accord rear, add a over-protruding front bumper... slap them on to a bigger (or is it really bigger) Corolla Altis body?
This will make Sonata the most beautiful in the class. Teana should be 2nd (though it looks weird sometimes). This post has been edited by dstl1128: Aug 2 2011, 03:24 PM |
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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Aug 2 2011, 03:23 PM) Hmm... copy City/Forte front light, make a thinner Accord rear, add a over-protruding front bumper... slap them on to a bigger (or is it really bigger) Corolla Altis body? It seems that both Honda and Toyota are moving backwards instead of forwards. First Honda comes up with the 2012 Civic which looks crap and got poor ratings in the US and now Toyota has gone and done the same. Crap!This will make Sonata the most beautiful in the class. Teana should be 2nd (though it looks weird sometimes). |
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Aug 3 2011, 11:10 PM
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so ugly lol
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I hope to see a futuristic designed Camry, not this..
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if what berita harian said about the estimated ckd passat price is true, then many uncles and aunties may turn to passat. camry, accord also ckd so perhaps more ppl will take ckd conti
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QUOTE(dARKaNGEl @ Aug 4 2011, 12:24 AM) if what berita harian said about the estimated ckd passat price is true, then many uncles and aunties may turn to passat. camry, accord also ckd so perhaps more ppl will take ckd conti I think there was an article some time back about the Passat CKD and it mentioned the price but its no where as cheap as Berita Harian claims it to be. Sometimes, they create the hype about prices being cheap to increase public interest in the model.http://www.arenakereta.com/harga-vw-passat...4000-00-seunit/ |
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Aug 5 2011, 09:14 PM
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please ....this couldnt be true...and it is so ugly lol....
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Aug 12 2011, 04:29 PM
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If this is the upcoming shape then might as well get a Prius.
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Aug 12 2011, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(thwong70 @ Aug 12 2011, 04:29 PM) If this is the upcoming shape then might as well get a Prius. Thats just a modified Prius. Nothing great but still better looking. |
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QUOTE(thwong70 @ Aug 12 2011, 04:29 PM) If this is the upcoming shape then might as well get a Prius. Old one daa.. latest is V version, rear end much better |
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 ..and next Camry will look like a Civic. sos bilis jepun > http://www.caradvice.com.au/132280/2012-to...camry-revealed/ |
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Aug 12 2011, 07:19 PM
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the size of that camry looks like altis/civic size..
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Aug 12 2011, 07:37 PM
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Omg .. Wit happen to the design !!!
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Aug 12 2011, 08:13 PM
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i kinda like it. it got accord euro'ish going on.. thats is sharp n slick looking, checkout it interrior! nais!
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QUOTE(Revamperz @ Aug 12 2011, 08:13 PM) i kinda like it. it got accord euro'ish going on.. thats is sharp n slick looking, checkout it interrior! nais! This Camry has been totally outclassed by the Sonata and opcoming Kia Optima. Really disappointing product from Toyota. The worst design from Toyota after the Vios dugong. |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 12 2011, 08:28 PM) This Camry has been totally outclassed by the Sonata and opcoming Kia Optima. Really disappointing product from Toyota. The worst design from Toyota after the Vios dugong. this one i also agree, the Kia K5 look superb compare to this.. no doubt, the korean are on faiya with their design team. |
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Aug 12 2011, 08:54 PM
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how good make up the korean wear... ppl still go for toyota
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Aug 12 2011, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE(samquah @ Aug 12 2011, 08:54 PM) how good make up the korean wear... ppl still go for toyota what talking you??the new sonata is so ugly resale will drop like 40k? is that a result of google translate?  |
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Aug 12 2011, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE(kevin613 @ Aug 12 2011, 08:57 PM) what talking you?? Nice looking but if the engine is shitty like the previous Sonata, then no doubt the resale value will drop. I still remember how underpowered the engine is when go Genting, kena tapao by city is that a result of google translate? So now I'm looking into a decent car, Camry or Passat. No more korean cars please. |
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Aug 12 2011, 09:17 PM
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normal la korean
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Aug 12 2011, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE(samquah @ Aug 12 2011, 09:17 PM) normal la korean Yes no doubt the if the leaked images are real, the Camry will at least looks better than the Passat.passat is a smart buy  It looks like a typical Chinese car to me. |
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Aug 12 2011, 10:38 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 12 2011, 09:14 PM) Nice looking but if the engine is shitty like the previous Sonata, then no doubt the resale value will drop. I still remember how underpowered the engine is when go Genting, kena tapao by city U should try Theta II. The engine is different from previous Sonata. Go test drive. So now I'm looking into a decent car, Camry or Passat. No more korean cars please. |
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Aug 12 2011, 10:51 PM
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QUOTE(masz94 @ Aug 12 2011, 10:38 PM) U should try Theta II. The engine is different from previous Sonata. Go test drive. Having driven the old Sonata I did not really want to commit into a Sonata again despite a new engine that offers better efficiency with little power gain. If you asked me, yes I test drove it. To me, power delivery at straight roads are okay, acceptable but the problem comes in when you're going uphill. It just acts like a fat boy who does not want to move. I know it's not fair to compare with a new one but lets put you into my shoe for a while that you committed on a Sonata before with bad fuel, low power and accessories stop working. How would you feel, even more, especially when a 123k that you plunged drops to less than the price of a second Myvi today? Surely, I know you know how it feels. Plus, the new Sonata is so "new". We just have to wait for few more years to ensure it's a problem free. (Major problem free). This post has been edited by Icehart: Aug 12 2011, 10:52 PM |
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Aug 12 2011, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 12 2011, 10:51 PM) Having driven the old Sonata I did not really want to commit into a Sonata again despite a new engine that offers better efficiency with little power gain. If you asked me, yes I test drove it. To me, power delivery at straight roads are okay, acceptable but the problem comes in when you're going uphill. It just acts like a fat boy who does not want to move. My father got the new Sorento which is using Theta II 2.4. Hill roads no prob. got punch. Even more powerful than CR-V & even the Fortuner 2.7....I know it's not fair to compare with a new one but lets put you into my shoe for a while that you committed on a Sonata before with bad fuel, low power and accessories stop working. How would you feel, even more, especially when a 123k that you plunged drops to less than the price of a second Myvi today? Surely, I know you know how it feels. Plus, the new Sonata is so "new". We just have to wait for few more years to ensure it's a problem free. (Major problem free). |
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Aug 13 2011, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(masz94 @ Aug 12 2011, 11:48 PM) My father got the new Sorento which is using Theta II 2.4. Hill roads no prob. got punch. Even more powerful than CR-V & even the Fortuner 2.7.... Really? Then maybe the test car has problems. I will rent one unit of Sonata and go Genting this weekend. |
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Aug 13 2011, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE(samquah @ Aug 12 2011, 08:54 PM) how good make up the korean wear... ppl still go for toyota Im a Toyota supporter for the past 8 yrs. But the Sonata surely isnt ugly. You must either be blind or have really poor taste. the new sonata is so ugly resale will drop like 40k? Resale value is dependent on demand. Right now, Sonata sales are quite ok. Much better sales than previous models. So the resale value will be much better. Of course the Camry is doing much better as expected. So surely its resale value will be better than the Sonata. But the issue is, can Toyota maintain their sales record with when they launch the crappy new Camry? I doubt. The Camry will still sell but its sales figures will not be as good as the current model. |
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Aug 14 2011, 12:24 AM
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waiting for the new passat 2012....
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Aug 14 2011, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 13 2011, 06:19 PM) But the issue is, can Toyota maintain their sales record with when they launch the crappy new Camry? I doubt. The Camry will still sell but its sales figures will not be as good as the current model. How would you know? Judging by design? I remember last time when Lancer was launched a lot of people mock it being ugly and all and look where it is today?  I'm not a fanboy of Toyota but I think we should not judge a book by its cover. This post has been edited by Icehart: Aug 14 2011, 11:32 AM |
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Aug 14 2011, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 13 2011, 05:43 PM) Really? Then maybe the test car has problems. I will rent one unit of Sonata and go Genting this weekend. Yes tested it with a Fortuner & CRV on the way to Terengganu from Penang. On straight & even corners, Sorento tapao them.... It is also a very stable car.I'm not Korean car fags. At home oso got '09 Accord... This is good for spirited driving.... What's true I will state it... |
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Aug 14 2011, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 14 2011, 11:31 AM) How would you know? Judging by design? Well i havent heard of comments that the Lancer was ugly. But the Lancer surely isnt ugly if u ask me. And its sales isnt all that great in Malaysia anyway so your point is?I remember last time when Lancer was launched a lot of people mock it being ugly and all and look where it is today? I'm not a fanboy of Toyota but I think we should not judge a book by its cover. |
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Aug 14 2011, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 12 2011, 10:51 PM) Having driven the old Sonata I did not really want to commit into a Sonata again despite a new engine that offers better efficiency with little power gain. If you asked me, yes I test drove it. To me, power delivery at straight roads are okay, acceptable but the problem comes in when you're going uphill. It just acts like a fat boy who does not want to move. which old sonata have u owned? the merz headlamp+jaguar tail version? or the generation after that?I know it's not fair to compare with a new one but lets put you into my shoe for a while that you committed on a Sonata before with bad fuel, low power and accessories stop working. How would you feel, even more, especially when a 123k that you plunged drops to less than the price of a second Myvi today? Surely, I know you know how it feels. Plus, the new Sonata is so "new". We just have to wait for few more years to ensure it's a problem free. (Major problem free). its pity that the previous gen sonata with CRDi engine wasnt introduced in malaysia.. they are being used as cabbies in SG, and these cabbies are the mat rempit in SG streets... they are real sprinters.. if its being used widely as cabbies in SG, reliability must've been good..  |
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Aug 14 2011, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 14 2011, 05:20 PM) Well i havent heard of comments that the Lancer was ugly. But the Lancer surely isnt ugly if u ask me. And its sales isnt all that great in Malaysia anyway so your point is? Well my point is that it is too early to judge a car when it has not been announced officially and there's no reliable reviews to conclude the pros and cons of it. We're not even sure what engines is coming with new Camry but I'm hoping they bring in the 2.4 Litre Hybrid engine.QUOTE(kevin613 @ Aug 14 2011, 05:37 PM) which old sonata have u owned? the merz headlamp+jaguar tail version? or the generation after that? Yes, the Merz headlamp but my uncle owns the generation after that. The NF Sonata with the 2.4 offers better fuel efficiency but is not spared from reliability problems as well. its pity that the previous gen sonata with CRDi engine wasnt introduced in malaysia.. they are being used as cabbies in SG, and these cabbies are the mat rempit in SG streets... they are real sprinters.. if its being used widely as cabbies in SG, reliability must've been good.. Unfortunately, as you said, the CRDi engine was not introduced and so is GDI in the new Sonata. It scored pretty well in reviews at overseas am I am eager to try it out but it is sad when our Sonata comes with Theta options only. They're not willing to risk it on our low quality fuel. |
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Aug 15 2011, 12:08 AM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 14 2011, 07:28 PM) Well my point is that it is too early to judge a car when it has not been announced officially and there's no reliable reviews to conclude the pros and cons of it. We're not even sure what engines is coming with new Camry but I'm hoping they bring in the 2.4 Litre Hybrid engine. Well they surely arent bringing in any hybrid versions for the Camry anytime soon at least. |
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Aug 15 2011, 07:03 AM
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http://paultan.org/2011/08/12/new-toyota-c...n-buyers-guide/
will this be the malaysia version of camry 2012....gosh it look so ugly to me |
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Aug 15 2011, 07:04 AM
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looks like a beefed up altis.
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Aug 15 2011, 09:38 AM
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Japan domestic interior quite nice...
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Aug 15 2011, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Aug 15 2011, 07:03 AM) http://paultan.org/2011/08/12/new-toyota-c...n-buyers-guide/ Yes thats what many ppl think as well. Toyota has really gone backward with this. Total disappointment!will this be the malaysia version of camry 2012....gosh it look so ugly to me |
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Aug 15 2011, 11:23 AM
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IMHO its nicer that current uncle version camry
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Aug 15 2011, 01:31 PM
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QUOTE(kyoshooo @ Aug 15 2011, 11:23 AM) IMHO its nicer that current uncle version camry but i think the current version look much better lol |
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Aug 15 2011, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Aug 15 2011, 01:31 PM) but i think the current version look much better lol Yes i surely agree. The current version looks far better than the upcoming version. But the specs for the newer model should be better. |
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Aug 15 2011, 02:35 PM
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looks fugly... haha.. if i had the budget ill go for optima or sonata fl..
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Aug 15 2011, 07:03 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 15 2011, 02:03 PM) Yes i surely agree. The current version looks far better than the upcoming version. But the specs for the newer model should be better. yes....should be dual vvti with cvt gear |
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Aug 15 2011, 07:44 PM
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i wanted to know the engine update.... hope to get the review soon
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Aug 15 2011, 07:48 PM
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We just interested in the gear... Is it going to be 4 speed again? Or 5 or maybe 6?
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Aug 15 2011, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE(merchant9 @ Aug 15 2011, 07:48 PM) We just interested in the gear... Is it going to be 4 speed again? Or 5 or maybe 6? wont be 4....likely to be 6 speed |
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Aug 15 2011, 08:15 PM
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Hopefully so cause now Altis also 6 speed.
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Aug 15 2011, 10:06 PM
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CVT gear......
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Aug 15 2011, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE(merchant9 @ Aug 15 2011, 08:15 PM) Hopefully so cause now Altis also 6 speed. Altis comes with CVT with 7 speeds. The all new Camry will comes with a DUAL VVTI engine. |
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Aug 15 2011, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(felixwang @ Aug 15 2011, 10:25 PM) Altis comes with CVT with 7 speeds. The all new Camry will comes with a DUAL VVTI engine. I thought current altis version also come with dual vvti engine?? |
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Aug 15 2011, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Aug 15 2011, 10:27 PM) I thought current altis version also come with dual vvti engine?? The current one sold here only comes with VVTI, no dual VVTI loh. So far I'm quite satisfied with the looks but let's see the performance and the upcoming Passat |
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Aug 15 2011, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 15 2011, 10:30 PM) The current one sold here only comes with VVTI, no dual VVTI loh. So far I'm quite satisfied with the looks but let's see the performance and the upcoming Passat New facelifted Altis use Dual VVTI leh...... |
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Aug 16 2011, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 15 2011, 10:30 PM) The current one sold here only comes with VVTI, no dual VVTI loh. So far I'm quite satisfied with the looks but let's see the performance and the upcoming Passat Friend, u really need to start checking yer facts. The current Altis has got Dual VVTI and its a 7 speed Super CVT-i. http://www.toyota.com.my/altis/features/ |
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Aug 16 2011, 09:31 AM
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I mean the current Camry..Sorry if I didn't make it clear.
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Aug 25 2011, 09:10 PM
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http://www.motorward.com/2011/08/official-...d-camry-hybrid/
this is US version of camry 2012...haiz...seems so ugly for me lol...i hope malaysia or japan version look better lol |
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Aug 25 2011, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Aug 25 2011, 09:10 PM) http://www.motorward.com/2011/08/official-...d-camry-hybrid/ New Camry will have 6 speed Shiftronic transmission mated to Dual VVTI engine. Interior space and legroom slightly increased. this is US version of camry 2012...haiz...seems so ugly for me lol...i hope malaysia or japan version look better lol |
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Aug 25 2011, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Aug 25 2011, 10:03 PM) New Camry will have 6 speed Shiftronic transmission mated to Dual VVTI engine. Interior space and legroom slightly increased. Sounds great, when will it be launched in Malaysia? |
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Aug 25 2011, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Aug 25 2011, 10:43 PM) Sounds great, when will it be launched in Malaysia? anyone know does it come with 2.5 cc ?Added on August 25, 2011, 10:55 pm QUOTE(michspc @ Aug 25 2011, 10:52 PM) anyone know does it come with 2.5 cc ? http://www.fastmotoring.com/This post has been edited by michspc: Aug 25 2011, 10:55 PM |
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Aug 26 2011, 09:15 AM
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6 speed seems to be on 2.5cc... never mentioned about 2.0.... hope is not the crap 4 gear box again....
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Aug 26 2011, 09:20 AM
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Aug 26 2011, 01:00 PM
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Ladies & Gentlemen, Toyota Ukraine presents...the other new 2012 Camry.
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Aug 26 2011, 01:14 PM
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wow this is nice...i hope this is malaysia version of camry 2012
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Aug 26 2011, 01:19 PM
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wahh lauuuuuuuuuuuuu
so nice leh i want to buy i want to buy when can start booking@??? |
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Aug 26 2011, 02:26 PM
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nice.....like a smaller lexus LS.
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Aug 26 2011, 03:25 PM
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how come it looks like the current honda accord, ugly as hell
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Aug 26 2011, 04:53 PM
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when come to MY...UNW surely cut cost many spec gone... otherwise most likely i will get it next year...
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Aug 26 2011, 05:07 PM
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Looks like a lexus, but can still see the lines of the current camry on this uncle car
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Aug 27 2011, 09:38 PM
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Wow nice.
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Aug 28 2011, 04:56 AM
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The Camry better have good spec in it. Nav system and HID/xenon lights would be a welcome feature.
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Aug 28 2011, 05:14 AM
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I wonder when will it arrive in malaysia?
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Aug 31 2011, 11:42 PM
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is it equipped wih CVT tramission with 2.5cc engine?
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Sep 1 2011, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Aug 31 2011, 11:42 PM) is it equipped wih CVT tramission with 2.5cc engine? No. It will be a 6 speed Steptronic. If we're lucky, we could get the version with the paddle shifters. NOt sure about engine capacity though. But as usual, the Asian version will come with many of the US specs missing. The US version has up to 10 airbags.  Has anybody got any additional info about the Asian version besides the pics that came out of Toyota Ukraine? |
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Sep 1 2011, 07:55 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Sep 1 2011, 12:27 AM) No. It will be a 6 speed Steptronic. If we're lucky, we could get the version with the paddle shifters. NOt sure about engine capacity though. But as usual, the Asian version will come with many of the US specs missing. The US version has up to 10 airbags. what's the difference between CVT and steptronic transmission??? which is better? Has anybody got any additional info about the Asian version besides the pics that came out of Toyota Ukraine? |
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Sep 1 2011, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Sep 1 2011, 07:55 AM) what's the difference between CVT and steptronic transmission??? which is better? CVT stands for Continously Variable Transmission. It can change steplessly through an infinite number of effective gear ratios. The flexibility of a CVT allows the driving shaft to maintain a constant angular velocity over a range of output velocities. This can provide better fuel economy compared to other transmissions. But CVT's are not easy to maintain and require frequent lubricant change. Honda used the CVT on their City but gave it up due to countless number of problems. Now Toyota have started with their 2010 Altis but they claim its a more superior version of the Honda CVT. http://perrya.hubpages.com/hub/Nissan-Refu...or-CVT-Problems Difficult to say which is better or worse. Both are different technologies. But many car makers are now moving towards CVT technology. |
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Sep 1 2011, 04:04 PM
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so which car will you invest in mr cybermaster? do you think this camry be worth every cents ? or will the korean make be better off?
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Sep 1 2011, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Sep 1 2011, 04:04 PM) so which car will you invest in mr cybermaster? do you think this camry be worth every cents ? or will the korean make be better off? Previously i was seriously considering the Mazda3 but when it was launched and i found the rear seats so cramped, i gave that up. Since then, ive been waiting for the Camry. But based on the pics, i dont think ill go for that now. But will decide after the launch here in Malaysia. So currently ive trained my sights on the soon to be locally assembled VW Passat. But unsure about pricing. The Sonata looks really nice and specs are good. So will wait till the facelifted version reaches Malaysian shores before i decide. |
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Sep 1 2011, 06:44 PM
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Somehow the US spec is much aggressive than this.......... will wait for this or the VW Passat,
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Sep 1 2011, 09:56 PM
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i doubt the passat would be any cheaper. VW, price is really premium in malaysia. Unless it is all strip down version. Or else, kind of difficult to meet that expectation. Too many Tan Sri and YAB to feed. Probably VW wont be very much cheaper. I recon the Passat after assembled here would be in the range of 190K or so. not that much cheaper.
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Sep 1 2011, 10:14 PM
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Sep 1 2011, 09:56 PM) i doubt the passat would be any cheaper. VW, price is really premium in malaysia. Unless it is all strip down version. Or else, kind of difficult to meet that expectation. Too many Tan Sri and YAB to feed. Probably VW wont be very much cheaper. I recon the Passat after assembled here would be in the range of 190K or so. not that much cheaper. Yes i dont think it would be very cheap as well. Im sure its gonna be more than 175K for sure. |
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Sep 2 2011, 03:29 PM
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interior of japan version toyota camry 2012 |
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Sep 2 2011, 03:58 PM
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this is much more nicer version of camry.....
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Sep 7 2011, 12:22 AM
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Come out already. Checked out Paultan, it is official now.
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Sep 7 2011, 02:28 AM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Sep 7 2011, 12:22 AM) Come out already. Checked out Paultan, it is official now. Sure meh??? |
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Sep 7 2011, 08:25 AM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Sep 7 2011, 12:22 AM) Come out already. Checked out Paultan, it is official now. Its still the Japanese Hybrid version. The Malaysian version will have some cosmetic changes e.g lights, seats, interior color, specs, tires, sport rims,etc. But generally the physical outlook should be the same. http://paultan.org/2011/09/05/new-generati...nched-in-japan/ Based on the general shape of the car and the lights, this Camry will look better in darker shades of body color. Lighter colors will bring out the not so good parts of the design. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Sep 7 2011, 08:30 AM |
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Sep 7 2011, 08:32 AM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Sep 2 2011, 03:29 PM)
interior of japan version toyota camry 2012 http://paultan.org/2011/09/05/new-generati...mry-hybrid-jdm/ |
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Sep 29 2011, 01:13 PM
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does it come with paddle shift?
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Oct 2 2011, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Sep 29 2011, 01:13 PM) does it come with paddle shift? Pending on options and yes it does! |
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Oct 11 2011, 02:00 PM
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Congratulation to Toyota for retaining its position as the world’s top-rated automotive brand in the 2011 global brand value report from Interbrand (More details can be found at http://www.interbrand.com).In addition, UMW Toyota Motor will be introducing the next generation of the locally-assembled Toyota Camry by mid 2012 in Malaysia
so will the price be cheaper for locally-assembled camry? |
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Oct 11 2011, 03:45 PM
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I'm waiting patiently for it to see how it fare against the new Mondeo. The Mondeo is damn tempting.
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Oct 11 2011, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Oct 11 2011, 02:00 PM) Congratulation to Toyota for retaining its position as the world’s top-rated automotive brand in the 2011 global brand value report from Interbrand (More details can be found at http://www.interbrand.com).In addition, UMW Toyota Motor will be introducing the next generation of the locally-assembled Toyota Camry by mid 2012 in Malaysia Mid 2012 only?? Damn! It might lose some customers to the Peugeot 508 Turbo. Any ideas on pricing for the Camry and 508?so will the price be cheaper for locally-assembled camry? |
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Oct 11 2011, 04:29 PM
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Design of Honda Civic 2012 & Toyota Camry 2012 < Kia Optima 2011
Seriously , Japan Design much & much Unclish . WTF design , Mercedes C-Class ? Front view still nice, but back ...hmm.. Fail I Love Japan's car Spec.. But please do change the car designer !  |
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Oct 11 2011, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE(whoknow88 @ Oct 11 2011, 04:29 PM) Design of Honda Civic 2012 & Toyota Camry 2012 < Kia Optima 2011 that is US version camry...not asia versionSeriously , Japan Design much & much Unclish . WTF design , Mercedes C-Class ? Front view still nice, but back ...hmm.. Fail I Love Japan's car Spec.. But please do change the car designer ! |
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Oct 12 2011, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 11 2011, 03:57 PM) Mid 2012 only?? Damn! It might lose some customers to the Peugeot 508 Turbo. Any ideas on pricing for the Camry and 508? bro, launch late might be a good idea. . say u allocated RM170k for a car TODAY, 8months later u might have higher budget. Perhaps that time can buy a merc/bmw/lexus/audi  This post has been edited by mois: Oct 12 2011, 01:54 PM |
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Oct 12 2011, 04:06 PM
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haha, my guess is, Passat 180K, 508 168K, Camry 2.4 170K, thats what i guess
But i guarantee you camry 2012 will not loose sales to 508, 508 will be very niche market. and it takes time for them to built, the car is totally new. Plus 508 is a 1.6 T engine, uncles and aunties dont really know much about 1.6 FI engines, they prefer NA engines. But we are young next generation buyers, FI is important for fuel efficiency, Uncle auntie dont care about fuel prices. They got money. 2.4 and 3.0 is the way to go. Maybe when RON 95 is at 5.90 a litre, in a few years time then the 2.4 and 3.0 engines will not be famous anymore. V6 also. But as you know, there are a lot of rich people in malaysia, So many of them, what is RM 5.90 a liter for petrol. Camry on the other hand has its supporters, mainly from old camry users, especially those still using the older models, They are the ones that will change to this new 2012 camry, Camry 2012, will be in malaysian Shores May 2012, The other car you guys should take a look is Ford Mondeo, i got to say, the next best Passat CC performance competitor, Only it bares the ford badge. The power and torque, nothing like what you get in the japanese market. This post has been edited by sonyman: Oct 12 2011, 04:11 PM |
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Oct 12 2011, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Oct 12 2011, 04:06 PM) The other car you guys should take a look is Ford Mondeo, i got to say, the next best Passat CC performance competitor, Only it bares the ford badge. Yeah, that's the bad thing about the Mondeo. Feature, power and fc wise, it's the top of the list now. |
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Oct 12 2011, 09:05 PM
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Oct 12 2011, 04:06 PM) haha, my guess is, Passat 180K, 508 168K, Camry 2.4 170K, thats what i guess If Passat and 508 priced so close, ppl will still prefer Passat.But i guarantee you camry 2012 will not loose sales to 508, 508 will be very niche market. and it takes time for them to built, the car is totally new. Plus 508 is a 1.6 T engine, uncles and aunties dont really know much about 1.6 FI engines, they prefer NA engines. But we are young next generation buyers, FI is important for fuel efficiency, Uncle auntie dont care about fuel prices. They got money. 2.4 and 3.0 is the way to go. Maybe when RON 95 is at 5.90 a litre, in a few years time then the 2.4 and 3.0 engines will not be famous anymore. V6 also. But as you know, there are a lot of rich people in malaysia, So many of them, what is RM 5.90 a liter for petrol. Camry on the other hand has its supporters, mainly from old camry users, especially those still using the older models, They are the ones that will change to this new 2012 camry, Camry 2012, will be in malaysian Shores May 2012, The other car you guys should take a look is Ford Mondeo, i got to say, the next best Passat CC performance competitor, Only it bares the ford badge. The power and torque, nothing like what you get in the japanese market. |
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Oct 12 2011, 09:21 PM
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acterly ppl will still prefer new camry.. even at 170k..
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Oct 12 2011, 09:35 PM
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yup, no mater what kind of price you sell, many many malaysians will still buy the all new camry, even if it is selling at 185K and above, because thats the best selling car in malaysia, Dont need to think so much when buying a camry. Just buy,
While other cars, you have to think of resale value, maintenance, and also where to find a mechanic when it breaks down in Olak Rempit or Dengkil, 508, will satisfy some market, Mondeo will steal a small group of yuppies, and passat, well, passat is very very german, so it will serve those who dont want to buy a BMW or MERC or Audi. |
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Oct 12 2011, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Oct 12 2011, 04:06 PM) haha, my guess is, Passat 180K, 508 168K, Camry 2.4 170K, thats what i guess I thought new toyota camry 2012 come with 2.5 cc not 2.4 right?But i guarantee you camry 2012 will not loose sales to 508, 508 will be very niche market. and it takes time for them to built, the car is totally new. Plus 508 is a 1.6 T engine, uncles and aunties dont really know much about 1.6 FI engines, they prefer NA engines. But we are young next generation buyers, FI is important for fuel efficiency, Uncle auntie dont care about fuel prices. They got money. 2.4 and 3.0 is the way to go. Maybe when RON 95 is at 5.90 a litre, in a few years time then the 2.4 and 3.0 engines will not be famous anymore. V6 also. But as you know, there are a lot of rich people in malaysia, So many of them, what is RM 5.90 a liter for petrol. Camry on the other hand has its supporters, mainly from old camry users, especially those still using the older models, They are the ones that will change to this new 2012 camry, Camry 2012, will be in malaysian Shores May 2012, The other car you guys should take a look is Ford Mondeo, i got to say, the next best Passat CC performance competitor, Only it bares the ford badge. The power and torque, nothing like what you get in the japanese market. |
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Oct 29 2011, 01:54 PM
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Any updates on the arrival date of the Camry in Malaysia?
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Oct 29 2011, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 29 2011, 01:54 PM) Any updates on the arrival date of the Camry in Malaysia? 2nd half 2012 |
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Oct 30 2011, 10:52 PM
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ths the 2012 design?
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Oct 30 2011, 11:20 PM
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The next gen Camry is kinda weird in design, some people found it bad, but some people found it is quite sporty, but as for usual, wait for the real car arrive, then we just can know how the actual car look like.
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Oct 30 2011, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(aerogaz @ Oct 30 2011, 10:52 PM) ths the 2012 design? Thats North American Camry; which is designed to be a bit sportier. This should be the Camry Malaysia gonna get; which is more sensible and more matured looking (a trend among Malaysian Camry buyers all these while) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Nov 1 2011, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Oct 30 2011, 11:24 PM) Thats North American Camry; which is designed to be a bit sportier. Why this one look like copy and paste from Accord one, especially the front part!!!!!!This should be the Camry Malaysia gonna get; which is more sensible and more matured looking (a trend among Malaysian Camry buyers all these while) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Nov 1 2011, 06:47 PM
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Behind like VW
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Nov 1 2011, 06:51 PM
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damn... only usd$16k
4 months salary/.... not bad... for a rice burner...!! |
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Nov 22 2011, 10:28 AM
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New to lowyat....
Thought I'd make my first post something worthy since I just found this Toyota Link that literally JUST came out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JX9UNQt2gA FT-86 looks awesome! |
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Nov 22 2011, 10:30 AM
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let see if this can beat elantra's 87 pages of waiting, lol
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Dec 7 2011, 02:41 PM
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any update for this thread?
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Dec 9 2011, 12:29 AM
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my mum's dont like it.. she prefer the older design..
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Dec 9 2011, 09:57 AM
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not yet see any but frm those picture up there the Sportier Camry look like a enlarge version of Corrola Altis 2.0v.
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Dec 9 2011, 09:52 PM
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i think America version looks better then the apek version that is going to be introduce in Malaysia..
look at the Lee Min Ho promoting the new Camry in the video.. the video shown angle by angle of the new Camry.. definitely look better than the apek version.. but for sure.. apek version will give many apek ppl support wan... i wan to see what thing change only under the hood.. |
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Dec 9 2011, 11:45 PM
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QUOTE(Aaron135LC @ Dec 9 2011, 09:52 PM) i think America version looks better then the apek version that is going to be introduce in Malaysia.. As the result, mostly Camry are chosen and bought by apek'SSSSSlook at the Lee Min Ho promoting the new Camry in the video.. the video shown angle by angle of the new Camry.. definitely look better than the apek version.. but for sure.. apek version will give many apek ppl support wan... i wan to see what thing change only under the hood.. |
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Jan 6 2012, 01:06 AM
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Any updates of the Asian Toyota Camry? Any new pics? Dont bother sending the US version la. We all know the Asian version is quite different. Any pics? Info?
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Jan 6 2012, 07:52 AM
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saw the US Audi tail light version in Hong Kong last week, not fast enough to whip out my camera cos its driving on highway...
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Jan 29 2012, 05:23 PM
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toyota camry 2012
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Jan 29 2012, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Jan 29 2012, 05:23 PM) toyota camry 2012 Any better pics? Specs? Make sure its for Asian model not US. Big difference. |
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Jan 29 2012, 10:19 PM
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I think its the one V12Kompressor post above which inherit the apek design and not US version.. US version really not bad..
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Jan 29 2012, 10:30 PM
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why toyota need to produce 2 version...? US & Asia...?
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Jan 29 2012, 10:44 PM
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more info can visit http://www.gac-toyota.com.cn/camry7/7thcamry
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Jan 29 2012, 11:03 PM
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BSM, TPWS, 10 airbag, PCS...
www.gac-toyota.com.cn/camry/7thcamry/swf/comfortable.f4v |
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Jan 29 2012, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE(epo @ Jan 29 2012, 10:30 PM) why toyota need to produce 2 version...? US & Asia...? different needsUS is more for sporty because those US uncles usually drives a Mercedes/BMW/Audi/Lincoln/Cadillac. Camry is like a fresh grad's car of choice. Asia usually uncles drives Camry/Accord/Cefiro@Teana so need an uncle looking one for these Asian uncles. |
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Jan 30 2012, 10:31 AM
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so no news when will it be coming here???? wonder if we have to wait till 2013...
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Jan 30 2012, 01:12 PM
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likely second half year of 2012
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Jan 30 2012, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Jan 29 2012, 10:44 PM) more info can visit http://www.gac-toyota.com.cn/camry7/7thcamry Is there an English version ah? And why is there so few views on its rear end? |
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Jan 30 2012, 05:48 PM
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Jan 30 2012, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 30 2012, 01:50 PM) Is there an English version ah? use google chrome, it'll automatically translated to english... |
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Jan 31 2012, 07:56 AM
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Can someone check and tell me the gear box specs for the 2.0L model?
So far what ive got for the 2.0L model is that its 1465kg with 146HP and 190Nm torque. Not much improvement from the current model which is a disappointment. Even the new Kia Optima churns out 165HP & 198Nm torque. The Forte 2.0L also gives out 154Hp & 194Nm. The 2.5L only churns out 181Hp and 235Nm torque which isnt all that great for a new generation D segment car. Dimensions wise, overall length for the 2.0L is 4826mm and wheelbase 2775 compared to 4845mm & 2795 on the Kia Optima. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 31 2012, 08:40 AM |
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Jan 31 2012, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 31 2012, 07:56 AM) Can someone check and tell me the gear box specs for the 2.0L model? go for 2.5LSo far what ive got for the 2.0L model is that its 1465kg with 146HP and 190Nm torque. Not much improvement from the current model which is a disappointment. Even the new Kia Optima churns out 165HP & 198Nm torque. The Forte 2.0L also gives out 154Hp & 194Nm. The 2.5L only churns out 181Hp and 235Nm torque which isnt all that great for a new generation D segment car. Dimensions wise, overall length for the 2.0L is 4826mm and wheelbase 2775 compared to 4845mm & 2795 on the Kia Optima. |
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Jan 31 2012, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Jan 31 2012, 12:06 PM) go for 2.5L No la. Not gonna go that far. 2.0L is sufficient but i dont think its gonna be a Camry. Do u know about the gearbox for the Camry 2.0L? |
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Jan 31 2012, 06:03 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 31 2012, 12:09 PM) No la. Not gonna go that far. 2.0L is sufficient but i dont think its gonna be a Camry. Do u know about the gearbox for the Camry 2.0L? 4 speed tranny |
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Feb 1 2012, 08:25 AM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Jan 31 2012, 06:03 PM) 4 speed tranny Thats real crap if u ask me. First they come up with a car design thats actually backward, then they use the same engine with pathetic power output figures and now even the gearbox is still 4 speed?? Ive virtually made up my mind about not buying a Camry for sure. Does the 2.5L model come with a 6 speed gearbox? This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Feb 1 2012, 08:28 AM |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 1 2012, 08:25 AM) Thats real crap if u ask me. First they come up with a car design thats actually backward, then they use the same engine with pathetic power output figures and now even the gearbox is still 4 speed?? Ive virtually made up my mind about not buying a Camry for sure. locally, it's using the Super-ECT gated shifters....5-speed for 2.4, 2.0s are 4-speed.Does the 2.5L model come with a 6 speed gearbox? don't know why they are putting the Super-CVT on Altis...since Altis is branded as Toyota's most reliable car....and not in Camry as well....weird direction. |
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Feb 1 2012, 08:54 AM
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i am also wondering.... why would Camry used a cheaper gearbox than Altis? Or is it the information given now are all false?
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Feb 1 2012, 09:04 AM
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Camry heavy cars... Belt driven CVT will no do good in Camry...
For heavy Car it is better to use Ball Joint CVT like in Audi... currently Altis is a belt driven CVT... This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Feb 1 2012, 09:06 AM |
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Feb 1 2012, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Feb 1 2012, 09:04 AM) Camry heavy cars... Belt driven CVT will no do good in Camry... Belt or joint, doesnt matter. A D segment car in 2012 from a premier manufacturer like Toyota that comes with a 4 speed gearbox deserves to be thrashed. Plain and easy. No wonder there was little interest in this thread from the start. For heavy Car it is better to use Ball Joint CVT like in Audi... currently Altis is a belt driven CVT... |
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Feb 1 2012, 09:13 AM
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yeah cause Toyota giving JUNK to malaysia and we take it like holy grail of car!!! basically toyota now a days concentrate all the good technology to Lexus and what Toyota (we are getting) is a out dated Engine and Technology from Lexus... pity...
Added on February 1, 2012, 9:15 amThe new engine like the Dual VVTI-L (Not Dual VVT-i) is not even in Toyota!!! and Honda has move on to i-VTEC with Variable Cylinder Management (VCM) although on 3.5l laaa... but the normal 2.4 got i-VTEC on intake and exhaust and Cam lift (Similar to Dual VVTi-L) This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Feb 1 2012, 09:15 AM |
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If the new Camry 2012 is still using the same 2.0cc engine and 4 speed gearbox from the previous gen, expect tremendous bashing from everyone. Well dont think it will impact sales since it's a T brand anyhow.
 Who knows in the facelifted version they introduced a Dual VVTI one or newer direct injection engines. Currently Toyota is aware of building direct injected and turbo charged engines and they moving that direction now. Well, better late than never. |
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Feb 1 2012, 09:52 AM
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QUOTE(HanzoRacing @ Feb 1 2012, 10:20 AM) If the new Camry 2012 is still using the same 2.0cc engine and 4 speed gearbox from the previous gen, expect tremendous bashing from everyone. Well dont think it will impact sales since it's a T brand anyhow. don think so.altis-gen10 fared badly with old tech until they need 10.5 quick & gv dvvt+cvt...sigh..if true new camry2.0 oso 4at,they never learn?? ... |
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Feb 1 2012, 10:56 AM
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QUOTE(HanzoRacing @ Feb 1 2012, 09:20 AM) If the new Camry 2012 is still using the same 2.0cc engine and 4 speed gearbox from the previous gen, expect tremendous bashing from everyone. Well dont think it will impact sales since it's a T brand anyhow. The new Camry 2.0L is Dual VVTI but somehow the power output figures are still quite low. Totally not in line with its competitors.Who knows in the facelifted version they introduced a Dual VVTI one or newer direct injection engines. Currently Toyota is aware of building direct injected and turbo charged engines and they moving that direction now. Well, better late than never. |
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Feb 1 2012, 11:11 AM
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strongly recommend go for 2.5L .... new 2.5 litre four-cylinder petrol engine delivers more responsive performance and better fuel economy than the current model’s 2.4 litre petrol engine (Save 24%). Camry will now be fitted with a six speed automatic transmission – replacing the current generation’s five-speed gearbox. The engine speed output can compare to 3.0L while the fuel consume is less than 2.0L
and it comes with lots of goodies....10 airbags, BSM, TPWS, GOA, PCS, JBL dobly 5.1 360 degree 10 speakers...wow |
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Feb 1 2012, 11:16 AM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Feb 1 2012, 11:11 AM) strongly recommend go for 2.5L .... new 2.5 litre four-cylinder petrol engine delivers more responsive performance and better fuel economy than the current model’s 2.4 litre petrol engine (Save 24%). Camry will now be fitted with a six speed automatic transmission – replacing the current generation’s five-speed gearbox. The engine speed output can compare to 3.0L while the fuel consume is less than 2.0L Yeah for EUROPE/JDM and US model.. what we get here is the old Engine / 4 Speed / 2 Airbag and VSC car... no offence want goodies from Toyota go BUY a LEXUS!!!and it comes with lots of goodies....10 airbags, BSM, TPWS, GOA, PCS, JBL dobly 5.1 360 degree 10 speakers...wow but hey it is Toyota uncles and unties will buy it like hot cakes they dont care for 4 speed or 10 speed!!! they dont care if it is carburetor or Triplle VVTi... all they care is IT IS TOYOTA!!! hahaha... and they will say the CAR LEG very SOLID!!! hahaha...!!! LIKE if you AGREE!!! hehehe |
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Feb 1 2012, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Feb 1 2012, 11:16 AM) Yeah for EUROPE/JDM and US model.. what we get here is the old Engine / 4 Speed / 2 Airbag and VSC car... no offence want goodies from Toyota go BUY a LEXUS!!! nope what I wrote here is asian model...not US or Europe modelbut hey it is Toyota uncles and unties will buy it like hot cakes they dont care for 4 speed or 10 speed!!! they dont care if it is carburetor or Triplle VVTi... all they care is IT IS TOYOTA!!! hahaha... and they will say the CAR LEG very SOLID!!! hahaha...!!! LIKE if you AGREE!!! hehehe |
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Feb 1 2012, 11:19 AM
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Feb 1 2012, 11:16 AM) Yeah for EUROPE/JDM and US model.. what we get here is the old Engine / 4 Speed / 2 Airbag and VSC car... no offence want goodies from Toyota go BUY a LEXUS!!! Like and agree.but hey it is Toyota uncles and unties will buy it like hot cakes they dont care for 4 speed or 10 speed!!! they dont care if it is carburetor or Triplle VVTi... all they care is IT IS TOYOTA!!! hahaha... and they will say the CAR LEG very SOLID!!! hahaha...!!! LIKE if you AGREE!!! hehehe |
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Feb 1 2012, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Feb 1 2012, 11:18 AM) nope what I wrote here is asian model...not US or Europe model source / link ? |
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Feb 1 2012, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(epo @ Feb 1 2012, 11:48 AM) source / link ? http://www.gac-toyota.com.cn/camry/7thcamr...material-1.html |
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Feb 1 2012, 01:44 PM
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this is north asia spec... no it is not SEA model... china get dual vvti in altis years before toyota introduce in malaysia
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Feb 1 2012, 02:30 PM
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How bout this ?
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Feb 1 2012, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Feb 1 2012, 11:11 AM) strongly recommend go for 2.5L .... new 2.5 litre four-cylinder petrol engine delivers more responsive performance and better fuel economy than the current model’s 2.4 litre petrol engine (Save 24%). Camry will now be fitted with a six speed automatic transmission – replacing the current generation’s five-speed gearbox. The engine speed output can compare to 3.0L while the fuel consume is less than 2.0L Im quite sure we wont be getting 10 airbags in the Malaysian Camry. Some of these specs wont reach Malaysia for sure. And i would expect the Camry 2.5L to be priced approx RM 185K with half the specs mentioned above. Plus this time, the Camry has a crappy design so thats another negative. and it comes with lots of goodies....10 airbags, BSM, TPWS, GOA, PCS, JBL dobly 5.1 360 degree 10 speakers...wow Btw, 181HP and 235Nm torque for the 2.5L Camry isn't that great. Passat 1.8TSI gives out 158Hp & 250 Nm torque, Ford Mondeo 2.0L gives 200Hp & 300Nm torque. Which 3.0L car were u comparing against? |
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Feb 1 2012, 02:50 PM
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QUOTE(HanzoRacing @ Feb 1 2012, 09:20 AM) If the new Camry 2012 is still using the same 2.0cc engine and 4 speed gearbox from the previous gen, expect tremendous bashing from everyone. Well dont think it will impact sales since it's a T brand anyhow. 
look like 2.0 still running with 4 speed gb... QUOTE(johnkor @ Feb 1 2012, 02:30 PM) How bout this ? QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Oct 30 2011, 11:24 PM) This should be the Camry Malaysia gonna get; which is more sensible and more matured looking (a trend among Malaysian Camry buyers all these while) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(michspc @ Feb 1 2012, 11:11 AM) strongly recommend go for 2.5L hmmm... not so many people like to invest in 2.5L... |
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Feb 1 2012, 03:22 PM
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2.5.... hehehe if 2.5 come in laaa else will be the same 2.4 engine hahahaha
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Feb 1 2012, 07:05 PM
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My friend just bought a new camry in hk. I believe our shore camry will be as like hk model.
Www.Toyota.com.hk |
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Feb 1 2012, 07:09 PM
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nope Malaysia Camry is based in SEA zone... Thailand spec
Added on February 1, 2012, 7:09 pmHK/China Camry is based on North Asia Zone This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Feb 1 2012, 07:09 PM |
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Feb 1 2012, 07:12 PM
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Thailand in Asia so any diff spec / look with China...?
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Feb 1 2012, 07:53 PM
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http://www.toyota.com.hk/cars/new_cars/camry_cbu/equip.asp how is the specs sounds to you guys??
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Feb 1 2012, 09:06 PM
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har really that shitty meh..... if price really go to RM185k.... i dun think i will buy it... was initial thinking of getting one though....
If Toyota screw it up i guess i will look at Ford Mondeo or Passat. |
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Feb 1 2012, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Feb 1 2012, 07:53 PM) how is the specs sounds to you guys?? Asyik 2.5 jeee... 2.0 takde ke...? |
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Feb 1 2012, 09:43 PM
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tat day i went to toyota SA told me 2.0 will using old engine, 2.5 only use new engine..but definately we wouldnt get 10 airbag.
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Feb 1 2012, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(devil98 @ Feb 1 2012, 09:43 PM) tat day i went to toyota SA told me 2.0 will using old engine, 2.5 only use new engine..but definately we wouldnt get 10 airbag. If they follow HK specs....we will get 8 SRS airbagsI gt feeling most likely UMW only give us 4 airbag, GPS takda pun... |
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Feb 1 2012, 10:04 PM
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QUOTE(devil98 @ Feb 1 2012, 09:43 PM) tat day i went to toyota SA told me 2.0 will using old engine, 2.5 only use new engine..but definately we wouldnt get 10 airbag. 10 airbag is like a dream in malaysiaI gt feeling most likely UMW only give us 4 airbag, GPS takda pun... no airbag also sell like hotcakes so why wouldn't they put in 10 airbag for u |
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Feb 2 2012, 07:21 AM
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i just hope it can be like the Prius C with 7 airbag
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Feb 2 2012, 08:13 AM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Feb 2 2012, 07:21 AM) i just hope it can be like the Prius C with 7 airbag The Camry will be assembled in Malaysia. Expect only basic specs with a few add-on's. Nothing more. |
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Feb 2 2012, 08:30 AM
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Camry assemble in THAILAND laaa...
Prius and PriusC got soooo muchie airbag cause it is JDM |
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Feb 2 2012, 10:12 AM
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the current camry assemble in thai, but the upcoming version shall be in Malaysia, shah alam plant...
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Feb 2 2012, 11:20 AM
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prefer they CBU from thailand.. coz even ckd in malaysia i dun think they will bring down the price and spec will be less. if you see most thai car spec is actually better than msia.
eg. thai teana 2.5 have 17inch rim, msia teana 2.5 only 16inch. |
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Feb 2 2012, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(gunh @ Feb 2 2012, 10:12 AM) the current camry assemble in thai, but the upcoming version shall be in Malaysia, shah alam plant... Shah Alam plant is so old.... |
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Feb 2 2012, 12:04 PM
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http://paultan.org/2010/07/14/toyota-camry...starts-in-2012/ they have spend $$ for it la.... QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Feb 2 2012, 11:39 AM) Shah Alam plant is so old.... |
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Feb 2 2012, 11:11 PM
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abit off topic...if new camry 2012 2.5L via VW passat 1.8turbo, which one will be your choice...
i believe new camry give 6 airbag, new engine...price should hit $180k+ |
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Feb 2 2012, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE(devil98 @ Feb 2 2012, 11:11 PM) abit off topic...if new camry 2012 2.5L via VW passat 1.8turbo, which one will be your choice... hopefully come with push start button as standard. mazda 6 imported from japan also can make it. why not this ckd camry lolzi believe new camry give 6 airbag, new engine...price should hit $180k+ |
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Feb 3 2012, 02:51 AM
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QUOTE(Travies @ Feb 2 2012, 11:41 PM) hopefully come with push start button as standard. mazda 6 imported from japan also can make it. why not this ckd camry lolz i think 2.5 surely gt push start button, current 2.4 already gt if new camry take back i really speechless  |
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Feb 3 2012, 07:34 AM
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QUOTE(devil98 @ Feb 2 2012, 11:11 PM) abit off topic...if new camry 2012 2.5L via VW passat 1.8turbo, which one will be your choice... Both ugly cars. But considering the engine, gearbox and transmission...ill got for the Passat 1.8 as it has slightly better specs. But given a choice, both cars are not to my liking.i believe new camry give 6 airbag, new engine...price should hit $180k+ |
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Feb 3 2012, 11:59 PM
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Regardless of any lousy equipments, specs, and high price, or even if it is using a Vios engine, the next CAMRY is guarantee become the TOP SALE D-Segment car in Malaysia. Just simply because it is "CAMRY". Just wait and see lo...
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Feb 4 2012, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE(assange @ Feb 3 2012, 11:59 PM) Regardless of any lousy equipments, specs, and high price, or even if it is using a Vios engine, the next CAMRY is guarantee become the TOP SALE D-Segment car in Malaysia. Just simply because it is "CAMRY". Just wait and see lo... Really? If next new generation Camry quality is same like Proton, you think Malaysian will still support and buy and be the top seller? Personally, I don't think Malaysian are so naive, and Toyota didn't achieve today's reputation by luck or by protection. Please don't project us Malaysian like a dumb fool. |
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Feb 4 2012, 09:18 PM
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Any news on when it is coming?
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Feb 6 2012, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Feb 4 2012, 06:17 PM) Really? If next new generation Camry quality is same like Proton, you think Malaysian will still support and buy and be the top seller? Personally, I don't think Malaysian are so naive, and Toyota didn't achieve today's reputation by luck or by protection. Please don't project us Malaysian like a dumb fool. Read his comment again. He didnt mention quality. He is only refering to specs, old engine and high price and yes i too am sure the 2012 Camry will still be a top seller in Malaysia although it may not enjoy the same sales numbers. Toyota's quality standards has dropped compared to 5 years ago while Proton has improved. But of course they are still miles apart. So assuming quality is taken out of the equation here, the Camry will still sell well.Added on February 6, 2012, 10:51 am QUOTE(dark.knight @ Feb 4 2012, 09:18 PM) Any news on when it is coming? end May or June 2012This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Feb 6 2012, 10:51 AM |
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Feb 6 2012, 06:32 PM
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The design has dissapointed my dilemma in choosing either Accord or Camry.
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 Feb 6 2012, 11:41 PM
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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Feb 4 2012, 06:17 PM) Really? If next new generation Camry quality is same like Proton, you think Malaysian will still support and buy and be the top seller? Personally, I don't think Malaysian are so naive, and Toyota didn't achieve today's reputation by luck or by protection. Please don't project us Malaysian like a dumb fool. I am sure most Malaysian are naive and most car buyer are looking for "Brand" but not spec. Just wait and see later this year Camry will become top seller in D-Seg market Malaysia. I hope you guy keep updating this topic and believe what i say. Fyi, i am Nissan Owner lah.... HihihihThis post has been edited by assange: Feb 6 2012, 11:41 PM |
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Feb 7 2012, 05:49 PM
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Thinking of organizing a bulk buy for the new camry 2012... I'm just looking for potential buyers. If response is good then I'll get Toyota for a better discount + goodies.. My friend has connection to a Toyota dealer. I'm only doing this once as I'm also interested in getting the new camry.
Serious person please indicate interest and when the launch is near we can go for a test drive and proceed from there onwards. Thanks |
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Feb 8 2012, 08:23 AM
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QUOTE(kani @ Feb 7 2012, 05:49 PM) Thinking of organizing a bulk buy for the new camry 2012... I'm just looking for potential buyers. If response is good then I'll get Toyota for a better discount + goodies.. My friend has connection to a Toyota dealer. I'm only doing this once as I'm also interested in getting the new camry. Can you tell me why ure interested in the new Camry?Serious person please indicate interest and when the launch is near we can go for a test drive and proceed from there onwards. Thanks |
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Feb 8 2012, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 8 2012, 08:23 AM) Can you tell me why ure interested in the new Camry? Steady ride, reliable after sales service, spare parts abundant, good resale value. I'm aware that the current batch of 2012 Camry will be CKD but it's still a Toyota none the less. U have a better car to recommend that beats these criteria?  |
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Feb 8 2012, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE(kani @ Feb 8 2012, 10:25 AM) Steady ride, reliable after sales service, spare parts abundant, good resale value. I'm aware that the current batch of 2012 Camry will be CKD but it's Im a Toyota man and have owned a Toyota for the past 8.5 years and serviced at Toyota for the same period of time. Yes for all the factors mentioned above, i agree with you 100%. Ive had an excellent experience with Toyota since 2003. I too was eagerly waiting for the new Camry until i saw the design and only lately came to know about its specs. still a Toyota none the less. U have a better car to recommend that beats these criteria? Ive sorta decided that there's no way im gonna pay 150K for a car that still uses a 4 speed auto, has only basic specs when other makes are offering soo much more, and has such a shitty exterior design. Yes i may not get the level of service that Toyota gives but i think that design, specs and driving experience are as important as after sales service as well. Resale values are demand driven and so far, demand for Korean makes are steadily rising both abroad and in Malaysia. The Kia Forte is enjoying good resale value (although not quite on par with the Altis & Civic) but nevertheless i see a bright future for them if they can keep prices low and still give great specs. They have the right intent with improving their after sales service. More service centres are opening up and they are state of the art. Fyi, ive considered the new Camry, Kia Optima, Passat CC, BMW 3 Series and Audi A4 in my search and the Optima seems to be winning the battle for its great design, excellent specs, interior space and cheaper price. Yes i may lose out a bit on after sales service and resale value but at least ill drive a car with the wow factor and enjoy its much better specs. The Optima is also the only car in that segment which comes with 5 years unlimited mileage manufacturer's warranty. Btw, resale value of most D segment cars dont differ much from each other as someone clearly pointed out before. So if i were you, open your mind to other possibilities and go see the Kia Optima. Complete specs of the Optima for your perusal: 1) Theta II 2.0L MPI engine with 163HP and 198 Nm torque (Camry 2.0L is 145HP and 190Nm torque) 2) 6 speed automatic Dual CVVT with paddle shifters and Eco mode 3) HID Xenon headlights with Auto Leveling & Static Bending Lights 4) Daytime LED running lights (DRL) 5) Rear LED lights and LED side turn signal lights 6) Auto Light Control System with Escort Lights and washers 7) Electric foldable side mirrors 8) 6 airbags (front, side & curtain airbags) 9) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS) 11) Electronic Brakeforce Distribution System (EBD) 12) Traction Control System (TCS) 13) Hill Assist Control (HAC) 14) Cornering Brake Control (CBC) 15) Brake Assist System (BAS) 16) Rear Parking Assist System with rear camera 17) Speed Sensing Auto door lock 18) Impact Sensing Auto door unlock 19) Auto Cruise Control 20) 18 inch sporty alloy wheels with full disk brakes and full spare alloy wheel 21) MacPherson type suspension with Gas shock absorbers with High Performance Dampers (HPD) with sliding valve 22) Infinity Surround Sound system with 8 speakers & subwoofer 23) 6 in dash CD changer system with Bluetooth, AUX, USB & iPOD connectivity 24) Dual zone auto air con with rear air con vents 25) 8 way power seat (driver) with memory function 26) Push Start ignition with Smart Key 27) 3.5” Color TFT LCD display 28) Premium Leather seats 29) Panoramic Electric Sunroof 30) First Korean car with 5 Star NHTSA rating from America |
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Feb 8 2012, 01:11 PM
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QUOTE(kani @ Feb 8 2012, 10:25 AM) Steady ride, reliable after sales service, spare parts abundant, good resale value. I'm aware that the current batch of 2012 Camry will be CKD but it's for the resale value, i think nowaday many ppl not put into consideration, they prefer design, spec, price, follow by resale value... expcet those toyota/honda fans...still a Toyota none the less. U have a better car to recommend that beats these criteria? actually other brands quite good eg mazda, peuguet...just wondering why they hardly get better resale value than toyota/honda yet... |
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Feb 8 2012, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 8 2012, 12:14 PM) Im a Toyota man and have owned a Toyota for the past 8.5 years and serviced at Toyota for the same period of time. Yes for all the factors mentioned above, i agree with you 100%. Ive had an excellent experience with Toyota since 2003. I too was eagerly waiting for the new Camry until i saw the design and only lately came to know about its specs. Thanks for the input. After going through the Optima thread, and people still sceptical about the car, I'll still put my cash where it is safer, no offence but I do think that the Optima is a beauty but I think Naza too ambitious with the pricetag on that car. I think it's worthwhile holding on till the Camry is out and we get to test drive and decide for ourselves.Ive sorta decided that there's no way im gonna pay 150K for a car that still uses a 4 speed auto, has only basic specs when other makes are offering soo much more, and has such a shitty exterior design. Yes i may not get the level of service that Toyota gives but i think that design, specs and driving experience are as important as after sales service as well. Resale values are demand driven and so far, demand for Korean makes are steadily rising both abroad and in Malaysia. The Kia Forte is enjoying good resale value (although not quite on par with the Altis & Civic) but nevertheless i see a bright future for them if they can keep prices low and still give great specs. They have the right intent with improving their after sales service. More service centres are opening up and they are state of the art. Fyi, ive considered the new Camry, Kia Optima, Passat CC, BMW 3 Series and Audi A4 in my search and the Optima seems to be winning the battle for its great design, excellent specs, interior space and cheaper price. Yes i may lose out a bit on after sales service and resale value but at least ill drive a car with the wow factor and enjoy its much better specs. The Optima is also the only car in that segment which comes with 5 years unlimited mileage manufacturer's warranty. Btw, resale value of most D segment cars dont differ much from each other as someone clearly pointed out before. So if i were you, open your mind to other possibilities and go see the Kia Optima. Complete specs of the Optima for your perusal: 1) Theta II 2.0L MPI engine with 163HP and 198 Nm torque (Camry 2.0L is 145HP and 190Nm torque) 2) 6 speed automatic Dual CVVT with paddle shifters and Eco mode 3) HID Xenon headlights with Auto Leveling & Static Bending Lights 4) Daytime LED running lights (DRL) 5) Rear LED lights and LED side turn signal lights 6) Auto Light Control System with Escort Lights and washers 7) Electric foldable side mirrors 8) 6 airbags (front, side & curtain airbags) 9) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS) 11) Electronic Brakeforce Distribution System (EBD) 12) Traction Control System (TCS) 13) Hill Assist Control (HAC) 14) Cornering Brake Control (CBC) 15) Brake Assist System (BAS) 16) Rear Parking Assist System with rear camera 17) Speed Sensing Auto door lock 18) Impact Sensing Auto door unlock 19) Auto Cruise Control 20) 18 inch sporty alloy wheels with full disk brakes and full spare alloy wheel 21) MacPherson type suspension with Gas shock absorbers with High Performance Dampers (HPD) with sliding valve 22) Infinity Surround Sound system with 8 speakers & subwoofer 23) 6 in dash CD changer system with Bluetooth, AUX, USB & iPOD connectivity 24) Dual zone auto air con with rear air con vents 25) 8 way power seat (driver) with memory function 26) Push Start ignition with Smart Key 27) 3.5” Color TFT LCD display 28) Premium Leather seats 29) Panoramic Electric Sunroof 30) First Korean car with 5 Star NHTSA rating from America |
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Feb 9 2012, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE(kani @ Feb 8 2012, 11:24 PM) Thanks for the input. After going through the Optima thread, and people still sceptical about the car, I'll still put my cash where it is safer, no offence but I do think that the Optima is a beauty but I think Naza too ambitious with the pricetag on that car. I think it's worthwhile holding on till the Camry is out and we get to test drive and decide for ourselves. Of course ppl will be sceptical about the Optima. Its a Korean for Gods sake! U think im not sceptical? If i wasnt i wouldnt be on all these threads talking about the Optima. But let me ask u this question. What are you hoping to get from a Camry test drive? The new Camry isnt gonna feel much different from the current model in terms of comfort since the suspension setup is the same. Thats wht Toyota does and has been doing for many years. They give comfy seats and comfort tuned suspension to mask its severe lack of specs. They create the wow factor in the cabin and most ppl are blinded. This allows them to price the car much higher thus creating a false image of a premium model. Keep in mind that im a Toyota fan but over the past year, ive realised that Toyota has been taking us Malaysians for a ride with inferior spec'ed cars while charging us full premiums. Go check out the specs Toyota puts into their US models. Those are the same specs on offer by the Koreans here in Malaysia. Why is that Toyota can offer those specs in US for much cheaper prices and yet exclude them for Malaysian models and still charge us more? Because they know Malaysians will still accept and buy. So when u talk about price, look at the specs first. Do you think specs like traction control, hill assist control, cornering brake control, 8 way power seats with dual memory, 5 years unlimited mileage warranty are cheap? How much do you think Toyota would charge to have those specs in the Camry 2.0L? The current Camry 2.0G (high spec) costs RM155K (11K more than the Optima). It comes with only a 4 speed auto, only ABS, EBD and BA (which even Proton has now) and 2 airbags. The new Camry 2.0L will have the same specs and gearbox setup and probably cost about RM160K. Now tell me if its worth paying RM16K more and getting much less? Take after sales service and resale value out of the equation as the Koreans are improving tremendously in both these areas and in 5-7 years time, these criteria would be redundant in comparisons. Plus the Optima is a bigger car overall with more interior space than the Camry not to mention it has the wow factor which the upcoming Camry wont have for sure. Ppl may still be sceptical bout Koreans but go check out the Forte sales. For 11 months of 2011, 5,291 units of the Forte was sold in comparison to 5,545 units of the Altis. What does that tell you? When was the last time you saw sales figures of a Korean make coming close to those of a established Jap model? U really think ppl in general are sceptical about Koreans? The sales figures show otherwise. Analyse all you want but do so with an open mind. Going around assuming that Toyota is God won't get you anywhere. I did that before. Only when ppl start moving away from Toyota will Toyota learn that they need to make major improvements. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Feb 9 2012, 08:21 AM |
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Feb 9 2012, 09:33 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 9 2012, 08:17 AM) Of course ppl will be sceptical about the Optima. Its a Korean for Gods sake! U think im not sceptical? If i wasnt i wouldnt be on all these threads talking about the Optima. Well Said... But let me ask u this question. What are you hoping to get from a Camry test drive? The new Camry isnt gonna feel much different from the current model in terms of comfort since the suspension setup is the same. Thats wht Toyota does and has been doing for many years. They give comfy seats and comfort tuned suspension to mask its severe lack of specs. They create the wow factor in the cabin and most ppl are blinded. This allows them to price the car much higher thus creating a false image of a premium model. Keep in mind that im a Toyota fan but over the past year, ive realised that Toyota has been taking us Malaysians for a ride with inferior spec'ed cars while charging us full premiums. Go check out the specs Toyota puts into their US models. Those are the same specs on offer by the Koreans here in Malaysia. Why is that Toyota can offer those specs in US for much cheaper prices and yet exclude them for Malaysian models and still charge us more? Because they know Malaysians will still accept and buy. So when u talk about price, look at the specs first. Do you think specs like traction control, hill assist control, cornering brake control, 8 way power seats with dual memory, 5 years unlimited mileage warranty are cheap? How much do you think Toyota would charge to have those specs in the Camry 2.0L? The current Camry 2.0G (high spec) costs RM155K (11K more than the Optima). It comes with only a 4 speed auto, only ABS, EBD and BA (which even Proton has now) and 2 airbags. The new Camry 2.0L will have the same specs and gearbox setup and probably cost about RM160K. Now tell me if its worth paying RM16K more and getting much less? Take after sales service and resale value out of the equation as the Koreans are improving tremendously in both these areas and in 5-7 years time, these criteria would be redundant in comparisons. Plus the Optima is a bigger car overall with more interior space than the Camry not to mention it has the wow factor which the upcoming Camry wont have for sure. Ppl may still be sceptical bout Koreans but go check out the Forte sales. For 11 months of 2011, 5,291 units of the Forte was sold in comparison to 5,545 units of the Altis. What does that tell you? When was the last time you saw sales figures of a Korean make coming close to those of a established Jap model? U really think ppl in general are sceptical about Koreans? The sales figures show otherwise. Analyse all you want but do so with an open mind. Going around assuming that Toyota is God won't get you anywhere. I did that before. Only when ppl start moving away from Toyota will Toyota learn that they need to make major improvements. I'm Driving a Toyota that i bought last year and i Regret it.. Fuel Consumption not good also.. and DAMM Boring 4 speed auto.. Should have gotten either VW or the Koreans... This post has been edited by yzlum: Feb 9 2012, 09:34 AM |
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Feb 9 2012, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 9 2012, 08:17 AM) Of course ppl will be sceptical about the Optima. Its a Korean for Gods sake! U think im not sceptical? If i wasnt i wouldnt be on all these threads talking about the Optima. Hmm...I can see your point of argument that Toyota give craps to Malaysian as opposed to the foreign models of the same car. Forte sales are good because they got the price right. But Optima is rather overpriced. After viewing the car multiple times, are you certain you're buying the Optima since you say it's the best option or are you still contemplating? But let me ask u this question. What are you hoping to get from a Camry test drive? The new Camry isnt gonna feel much different from the current model in terms of comfort since the suspension setup is the same. Thats wht Toyota does and has been doing for many years. They give comfy seats and comfort tuned suspension to mask its severe lack of specs. They create the wow factor in the cabin and most ppl are blinded. This allows them to price the car much higher thus creating a false image of a premium model. Keep in mind that im a Toyota fan but over the past year, ive realised that Toyota has been taking us Malaysians for a ride with inferior spec'ed cars while charging us full premiums. Go check out the specs Toyota puts into their US models. Those are the same specs on offer by the Koreans here in Malaysia. Why is that Toyota can offer those specs in US for much cheaper prices and yet exclude them for Malaysian models and still charge us more? Because they know Malaysians will still accept and buy. So when u talk about price, look at the specs first. Do you think specs like traction control, hill assist control, cornering brake control, 8 way power seats with dual memory, 5 years unlimited mileage warranty are cheap? How much do you think Toyota would charge to have those specs in the Camry 2.0L? The current Camry 2.0G (high spec) costs RM155K (11K more than the Optima). It comes with only a 4 speed auto, only ABS, EBD and BA (which even Proton has now) and 2 airbags. The new Camry 2.0L will have the same specs and gearbox setup and probably cost about RM160K. Now tell me if its worth paying RM16K more and getting much less? Take after sales service and resale value out of the equation as the Koreans are improving tremendously in both these areas and in 5-7 years time, these criteria would be redundant in comparisons. Plus the Optima is a bigger car overall with more interior space than the Camry not to mention it has the wow factor which the upcoming Camry wont have for sure. Ppl may still be sceptical bout Koreans but go check out the Forte sales. For 11 months of 2011, 5,291 units of the Forte was sold in comparison to 5,545 units of the Altis. What does that tell you? When was the last time you saw sales figures of a Korean make coming close to those of a established Jap model? U really think ppl in general are sceptical about Koreans? The sales figures show otherwise. Analyse all you want but do so with an open mind. Going around assuming that Toyota is God won't get you anywhere. I did that before. Only when ppl start moving away from Toyota will Toyota learn that they need to make major improvements.  |
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Feb 9 2012, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE(kani @ Feb 9 2012, 10:28 AM) Hmm...I can see your point of argument that Toyota give craps to Malaysian as opposed to the foreign models of the same car. Forte sales are good because they got the price right. But Optima is rather overpriced. After viewing the car multiple times, are you certain you're buying the Optima since you say it's the best option or are you still contemplating? In what way is the Optima overpriced? How much would you say its worth? If Kia were to offer the Optima with exactly the same specs as the current Camry 2.0G and charge you say RM 130K would you buy it then? Say they offered a premium model with all the goodies listed above and charged you an extra 14K for the new transmission, a more powerful engine, the whole range of safety equipment, gas shock absorbers, comfort kits, xenon HID lights with static bending, premium sound system, etc? Not to mention better design and more interior space and the extra 5 years unlimited mileage manufacturers warranty. Would anybody say that an extra 14K for all of these is expensive? That price was chosen so as not to weaken demand for the Hyundai Sonata but on paper the Optima has better specs than the Sonata so ure getting more for the same price. As ive said on other threads, ill make my decision in April as im targetting the WWR number plate. So ive got another 2 months to make a decision and push off my current 2003 Vios. But so far, the Optima is leading the pack and if it stays that way till April, then that would be my car of choice. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Feb 9 2012, 11:31 AM |
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Feb 9 2012, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(yzlum @ Feb 9 2012, 09:33 AM) Well Said... Which Toyota model did u buy?I'm Driving a Toyota that i bought last year and i Regret it.. Fuel Consumption not good also.. and DAMM Boring 4 speed auto.. Should have gotten either VW or the Koreans... |
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Feb 9 2012, 12:12 PM
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all over these years in toyota cars lineup, i only can see Prius C & altis 1.8/2.0 are more generous spec which offer and it does selling brand. Some people is willing pay extra for the brand even get lower spec. If not, why the 'J' spec is introduce into the market?
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Feb 9 2012, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 9 2012, 11:21 AM) In what way is the Optima overpriced? How much would you say its worth? i am agree with Cybermaster98, i am a Forte 2.0 owner since 2010 and soon to be Optima owner, the Camry spec even cannot compare with my 2.0 Forte Spec in many aspects, speed, pick up, safety, interior and exterior....only its space bigger....i test drived the Mit ASX Upgraded Model last 2 days, also very bad, loud engine, no power, only 3 airbags for 142k car?? back seat is like Viva, Build quality soso, try to open and close the Forte door then you know how good is the quality i said If Kia were to offer the Optima with exactly the same specs as the current Camry 2.0G and charge you say RM 130K would you buy it then? Say they offered a premium model with all the goodies listed above and charged you an extra 14K for the new transmission, a more powerful engine, the whole range of safety equipment, gas shock absorbers, comfort kits, xenon HID lights with static bending, premium sound system, etc? Not to mention better design and more interior space and the extra 5 years unlimited mileage manufacturers warranty. Would anybody say that an extra 14K for all of these is expensive? That price was chosen so as not to weaken demand for the Hyundai Sonata but on paper the Optima has better specs than the Sonata so ure getting more for the same price. As ive said on other threads, ill make my decision in April as im targetting the WWR number plate. So ive got another 2 months to make a decision and push off my current 2003 Vios. But so far, the Optima is leading the pack and if it stays that way till April, then that would be my car of choice. |
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Feb 28 2012, 03:48 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 8 2012, 12:14 PM) Im a Toyota man and have owned a Toyota for the past 8.5 years and serviced at Toyota for the same period of time. Yes for all the factors mentioned above, i agree with you 100%. Ive had an excellent experience with Toyota since 2003. I too was eagerly waiting for the new Camry until i saw the design and only lately came to know about its specs. +1Ive sorta decided that there's no way im gonna pay 150K for a car that still uses a 4 speed auto, has only basic specs when other makes are offering soo much more, and has such a shitty exterior design. Yes i may not get the level of service that Toyota gives but i think that design, specs and driving experience are as important as after sales service as well. Resale values are demand driven and so far, demand for Korean makes are steadily rising both abroad and in Malaysia. The Kia Forte is enjoying good resale value (although not quite on par with the Altis & Civic) but nevertheless i see a bright future for them if they can keep prices low and still give great specs. They have the right intent with improving their after sales service. More service centres are opening up and they are state of the art. Fyi, ive considered the new Camry, Kia Optima, Passat CC, BMW 3 Series and Audi A4 in my search and the Optima seems to be winning the battle for its great design, excellent specs, interior space and cheaper price. Yes i may lose out a bit on after sales service and resale value but at least ill drive a car with the wow factor and enjoy its much better specs. The Optima is also the only car in that segment which comes with 5 years unlimited mileage manufacturer's warranty. Btw, resale value of most D segment cars dont differ much from each other as someone clearly pointed out before. So if i were you, open your mind to other possibilities and go see the Kia Optima. Complete specs of the Optima for your perusal: 1) Theta II 2.0L MPI engine with 163HP and 198 Nm torque (Camry 2.0L is 145HP and 190Nm torque) 2) 6 speed automatic Dual CVVT with paddle shifters and Eco mode 3) HID Xenon headlights with Auto Leveling & Static Bending Lights 4) Daytime LED running lights (DRL) 5) Rear LED lights and LED side turn signal lights 6) Auto Light Control System with Escort Lights and washers 7) Electric foldable side mirrors 8) 6 airbags (front, side & curtain airbags) 9) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS) 11) Electronic Brakeforce Distribution System (EBD) 12) Traction Control System (TCS) 13) Hill Assist Control (HAC) 14) Cornering Brake Control (CBC) 15) Brake Assist System (BAS) 16) Rear Parking Assist System with rear camera 17) Speed Sensing Auto door lock 18) Impact Sensing Auto door unlock 19) Auto Cruise Control 20) 18 inch sporty alloy wheels with full disk brakes and full spare alloy wheel 21) MacPherson type suspension with Gas shock absorbers with High Performance Dampers (HPD) with sliding valve 22) Infinity Surround Sound system with 8 speakers & subwoofer 23) 6 in dash CD changer system with Bluetooth, AUX, USB & iPOD connectivity 24) Dual zone auto air con with rear air con vents 25) 8 way power seat (driver) with memory function 26) Push Start ignition with Smart Key 27) 3.5” Color TFT LCD display 28) Premium Leather seats 29) Panoramic Electric Sunroof 30) First Korean car with 5 Star NHTSA rating from America |
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Feb 28 2012, 04:01 PM
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Any updated specs or info about the Malaysian Camry?
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Feb 28 2012, 10:53 PM
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Toyota Camry, my first choice among Accord, Sonata and Teana, but after driven the Teana, I stop thinking more and straight paid the deposit, and already driven my Teana for 3 months, very comfortable, especially the seat like sofa, totally no regret with my purchase. And I want to tell that Nissan service, spare parts is comparable to Toyota.
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Feb 29 2012, 01:38 AM
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Feb 29 2012, 05:44 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOwhjlQ3Vv0 please come with this specs for malaysia market ....
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Feb 29 2012, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Feb 28 2012, 10:53 PM) Toyota Camry, my first choice among Accord, Sonata and Teana, but after driven the Teana, I stop thinking more and straight paid the deposit, and already driven my Teana for 3 months, very comfortable, especially the seat like sofa, totally no regret with my purchase. And I want to tell that Nissan service, spare parts is comparable to Toyota. Which Toyota did u own before? |
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Feb 29 2012, 06:39 PM
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have not heard any news on this new camry... probally really hit by thai flooding and japan tsunami....
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Feb 29 2012, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 29 2012, 05:52 PM) Which Toyota did u own before? Toyota seg and first gen Vios, so thinking to get Camry without hesitation, but because of my friend keep telling me the Hyundai Sonata is very nice and lots a power until I tested it, so sorry to tell that Sonata riding quality is still not as good as those japs, even it won damn a lot of awards in us, but I think those reviewer is a bit exaggerated. So I went to test the Accord then and found the Accord is quite bumpy and the noise level also higher. So thinking to back to Toyota showroom to put deposit, and in the middle, I walked past a shop selling magazine and I stopped by and take a car magazine from china to read, and inside the magazine I read the Teana selling very good over there, even beaten the Camry and Accord. Because of this mag, I told my friend that we should visit the Nissan showroom to test the Teana, and at last I purchased the Teana. |
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Mar 1 2012, 08:32 AM
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Feb 29 2012, 10:39 PM) Toyota seg and first gen Vios, so thinking to get Camry without hesitation, but because of my friend keep telling me the Hyundai Sonata is very nice and lots a power until I tested it, so sorry to tell that Sonata riding quality is still not as good as those japs, even it won damn a lot of awards in us, but I think those reviewer is a bit exaggerated. So I went to test the Accord then and found the Accord is quite bumpy and the noise level also higher. So thinking to back to Toyota showroom to put deposit, and in the middle, I walked past a shop selling magazine and I stopped by and take a car magazine from china to read, and inside the magazine I read the Teana selling very good over there, even beaten the Camry and Accord. Because of this mag, I told my friend that we should visit the Nissan showroom to test the Teana, and at last I purchased the Teana. Yes the Teana is quite comfortable. Nissan is known for its comfort. EVen the Sylphy is quite spacious and comfortable. But besides comfort, Nissan cars have little else going for them. Teana has a slight advantage with the Xtronic CVT but spec wise they are behind. Designs (especially interior) are quite outdated and Nissan is well known as the 'old man's car. But you should have tested the Optima. Its really good. Handling is quite impressive and specs much better than the Teana. Design really impressive. The only drawback is probably the after sales service and the resale value to a certain extent. |
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Mar 1 2012, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 1 2012, 08:32 AM) Yes the Teana is quite comfortable. Nissan is known for its comfort. EVen the Sylphy is quite spacious and comfortable. But besides comfort, Nissan cars have little else going for them. Teana has a slight advantage with the Xtronic CVT but spec wise they are behind. Designs (especially interior) are quite outdated and Nissan is well known as the 'old man's car. I agree that Nissan is towards comfort, but the Teana rides and handling is much better then the Toyota Camry, as for the interior design, I quite like it, at least it is not as complicate as the Sonata and Optima, which given me a feeling of "too much" buttons that did not properly place. For Optima K5, actually I have tested it once even the showroom still di not have any test unit, honestly, I felt the interior design for Kia Optima is kinda outdated, just look back the 90s' Camry, it is quite identical if you see carefully the dashboard design. As for the rides and handling, I think you should test drive the Teana again and you will find the difference, people told me that the K5 handling like European cars, but I honestly tell you that I found the Teana rides and handling is the most close to the European cars, maybe it is because Nissan share the platform with Renault, and this Teana platform actually is designed by Renault. Just Nissan tune it to softer side for more comfortable, but not as soft as the Camry. The engine output on paper for K5 actually beaten the Teana hands down for the 2.0, but when you drive it in real world test, the result will be in opposite direction. So please do not bash me or what, I just write out what I have gathered so far for these D-segments vehicle, especially those new K5 owner. And now I'm eager to test the all new Camry and see what Toyota able to improve since it is using back the same platform, engine and gearbox for the 2.0 version.But you should have tested the Optima. Its really good. Handling is quite impressive and specs much better than the Teana. Design really impressive. The only drawback is probably the after sales service and the resale value to a certain extent. |
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Mar 1 2012, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Mar 1 2012, 09:37 AM) The engine output on paper for K5 actually beaten the Teana hands down for the 2.0, but when you drive it in real world test, the result will be in opposite direction. already mention to those people regarding the sonata before.. teana on paper less 29BHP.. but acceleration is way better... |
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Mar 1 2012, 12:51 PM
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This new Camry looks awesome
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Mar 1 2012, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Mar 1 2012, 09:37 AM) I agree that Nissan is towards comfort, but the Teana rides and handling is much better then the Toyota Camry, as for the interior design, I quite like it, at least it is not as complicate as the Sonata and Optima, which given me a feeling of "too much" buttons that did not properly place. For Optima K5, actually I have tested it once even the showroom still di not have any test unit, honestly, I felt the interior design for Kia Optima is kinda outdated, just look back the 90s' Camry, it is quite identical if you see carefully the dashboard design. As for the rides and handling, I think you should test drive the Teana again and you will find the difference, people told me that the K5 handling like European cars, but I honestly tell you that I found the Teana rides and handling is the most close to the European cars, maybe it is because Nissan share the platform with Renault, and this Teana platform actually is designed by Renault. Just Nissan tune it to softer side for more comfortable, but not as soft as the Camry. The engine output on paper for K5 actually beaten the Teana hands down for the 2.0, but when you drive it in real world test, the result will be in opposite direction. So please do not bash me or what, I just write out what I have gathered so far for these D-segments vehicle, especially those new K5 owner. And now I'm eager to test the all new Camry and see what Toyota able to improve since it is using back the same platform, engine and gearbox for the 2.0 version. Yes ive driven the Teana and found its acceleration to be marginally better than the Optima. Probably due to the Xtronic CVT. But i think the Optima is more value for money for sure. The amount of specs you get for RM143K+ is amazing. Plus it has that wow factor which is lacking in most Jap D segment cars including the Teana.Added on March 1, 2012, 2:41 pm QUOTE(nakita @ Mar 1 2012, 12:51 PM) This new Camry looks awesome U must be either blind or really old fashioned. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Mar 1 2012, 02:41 PM |
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Mar 1 2012, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 1 2012, 02:40 PM) Yes ive driven the Teana and found its acceleration to be marginally better than the Optima. Probably due to the Xtronic CVT. But i think the Optima is more value for money for sure. The amount of specs you get for RM143K+ is amazing. Plus it has that wow factor which is lacking in most Jap D segment cars including the Teana. Yup, if based on the spec sheet, the Optima and Sonata is a killer, those Japs car maker will never offer such spec in this price range.Added on March 1, 2012, 2:41 pm U must be either blind or really old fashioned. |
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Mar 1 2012, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Mar 1 2012, 09:37 AM) I agree that Nissan is towards comfort, but the Teana rides and handling is much better then the Toyota Camry, as for the interior design, I quite like it, at least it is not as complicate as the Sonata and Optima, which given me a feeling of "too much" buttons that did not properly place. For Optima K5, actually I have tested it once even the showroom still di not have any test unit, honestly, I felt the interior design for Kia Optima is kinda outdated, just look back the 90s' Camry, it is quite identical if you see carefully the dashboard design. As for the rides and handling, I think you should test drive the Teana again and you will find the difference, people told me that the K5 handling like European cars, but I honestly tell you that I found the Teana rides and handling is the most close to the European cars, maybe it is because Nissan share the platform with Renault, and this Teana platform actually is designed by Renault. Just Nissan tune it to softer side for more comfortable, but not as soft as the Camry. The engine output on paper for K5 actually beaten the Teana hands down for the 2.0, but when you drive it in real world test, the result will be in opposite direction. So please do not bash me or what, I just write out what I have gathered so far for these D-segments vehicle, especially those new K5 owner. And now I'm eager to test the all new Camry and see what Toyota able to improve since it is using back the same platform, engine and gearbox for the 2.0 version. Hey hi. I notice that u mentioned that the new Camry 2liter version will be using the old engine and gearbox. Is this true or just based on Toyota's trend? If this is for real, it certainly not worth it especially compared to cars like Optima. Of course uncles who dont really care about the gearbox n stuff will still get em but younger generation buyers. I personally like the Optima. But like some of us here im waiting to see what would the Japanese offer since most of the Koreans are being very generous and in a way forcing the Japs to do the same.This post has been edited by Eclipse80: Mar 1 2012, 03:37 PM |
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Mar 1 2012, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE(Eclipse80 @ Mar 1 2012, 03:34 PM) Hey hi. I notice that u mentioned that the new Camry 2liter version will be using the old engine and gearbox. Is this true or just based on Toyota's trend? If this is for real, it certainly not worth it especially compared to cars like Optima. Of course uncles who dont really care about the gearbox n stuff will still get em but younger generation buyers. I personally like the Optima. But like some of us here im waiting to see what would the Japanese offer since most of the Koreans are being very generous and in a way forcing the Japs to do the same. Yeah, based on the China and Taiwan version which they already launched repectively. Toyota only focus on the 2.5 version, which is using a new 6-speed GB and new 2.5L Dual VVT-i engine, while the 2.0 remain the same. I think it is because they don't want to kill the Altis 2.0V sales since from spec sheet, the Altis offered 2.0 Dual VVT-i and CVT GB with 7-speed manual shift and the price also not cheap, almost reach the Camry 2.0 price range. If right now Camry offer a new engine and new GB and the price remain, it will cause the Altis 2.0V a "dead" model. So if you are a person that need good interior space, better noise insulation and lower spec, than Camry is the one. If you don't care much of the interior space, normal noise insulation but higher spec, then Altis 2.0V is the choice. |
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Mar 1 2012, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Mar 1 2012, 04:47 PM) Yeah, based on the China and Taiwan version which they already launched repectively. Toyota only focus on the 2.5 version, which is using a new 6-speed GB and new 2.5L Dual VVT-i engine, while the 2.0 remain the same. I think it is because they don't want to kill the Altis 2.0V sales since from spec sheet, the Altis offered 2.0 Dual VVT-i and CVT GB with 7-speed manual shift and the price also not cheap, almost reach the Camry 2.0 price range. If right now Camry offer a new engine and new GB and the price remain, it will cause the Altis 2.0V a "dead" model. So if you are a person that need good interior space, better noise insulation and lower spec, than Camry is the one. If you don't care much of the interior space, normal noise insulation but higher spec, then Altis 2.0V is the choice. I dun think Altis 2.0V is the same segment car to compare at first.... they have different market targeted. And if it is real that toyota dun do anything to their 2.0 Camry then they will really be killing Camry..... 70% of camry on the road are 2.0 in Malaysia.... you want to pass this market to others 2.0 D segment car is it? |
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Mar 1 2012, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Mar 1 2012, 05:57 PM) I dun think Altis 2.0V is the same segment car to compare at first.... they have different market targeted. I agree with what you said, but because UMW Toyota placed the Altis 2.0V price to close to the Camry 2.0 due to more gadgets, and Toyota have that kind of arrogant attitude, you can see the Camry sales hardly affected after so many new D-segment model launched, so you know what Toyoa is thinking.And if it is real that toyota dun do anything to their 2.0 Camry then they will really be killing Camry..... 70% of camry on the road are 2.0 in Malaysia.... you want to pass this market to others 2.0 D segment car is it? |
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Mar 1 2012, 06:09 PM
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tat right 2.0V Altis is more like aim for the enthusiast Corrolla Kaki (like me) which is a niche market even after launching since 2010 October till now u dun see a lot of 2.0V on the road..... but u still see a lot of new 2.0 Camry on the road.
But anyway Toyota cars from Thailand side usually sucks more compare to those from Japan market.... just look at their Wish 2.0G compare to the Japan Wish 2.0Z, the Thailand one used cheap 4 gear where the japan one is CVT. And their rear suspension also different. |
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Mar 2 2012, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE(Eclipse80 @ Mar 1 2012, 03:34 PM) Hey hi. I notice that u mentioned that the new Camry 2liter version will be using the old engine and gearbox. Is this true or just based on Toyota's trend? If this is for real, it certainly not worth it especially compared to cars like Optima. Of course uncles who dont really care about the gearbox n stuff will still get em but younger generation buyers. I personally like the Optima. But like some of us here im waiting to see what would the Japanese offer since most of the Koreans are being very generous and in a way forcing the Japs to do the same. I managed to get a 2nd test drive today on the Optima K5. Im more impressed now. Here is my take on the car:Acceleration & pickup I had 4 adults in the car including the salesman. Managed to get a straight clear road and floored the pedal. The acceleration was sluggish for the first 2 secs and then the power kicked in. I must say its very much comparable to the Teana with its Xtronic unlike what i mentioned earlier. The engine has got a certain vroom to it more like a rumbling tiger when the RPM passes the 2000 mark. Some might love it but i think it didnt sound too refined for my taste. The Teana and Camry were a tad more refined. But the power was there and the pickup was really impressive despite its heavier weight. I would think the harshness of the engine will improve over time since i was the 1st to test this car when it arrived yesterday. Handling & Road Grip I chose a deserted roundabout and did about 7 rounds at about 80kmph with the full load of passengers. I must say i am quite impressed with its cornering ability and road grip. There was only marginal body roll (much better than the Camry at lower speeds). The 18 inch tyres and probably traction control really kept the car stable. Not sure if 80kmph was fast enough for a roundabout but its certainly the fastest ive been on one. Its a small roundabout so turns would have been sharper. Brakes The brakes are quite good and stopping power was quite evident. I even tried cornering braking while taking the roundabout and the stopping power was really good. I hit about 110kmph before i came up to a traffic light and slammed the brakes (not enough to engage the ABS though). It surely has a confident feel. NVH & Wind Noise As mentioned earlier, i hit 110kmph and tried different scenarios with the sunroof just to gauge the NVH of the sunroof. I tried with the ceiling panel open but with the glass closed and also with both closed. The effect was the same. Virtually no wind noise even at high speeds. Not sure if it will hold up at around 140-150kmph though. Didnt feel any windo noise coming from the doors or windows as well which mean the door seals are quite good. Hope they last though. But during hard acceleration, the engine could be heard and it does sound a bit harsh. But once you reach cruising speed, the engine is virtually silent. The whole test drive lasted about 1 hour (longest ive been). I must say im more impressed now. Im almost certain to get the Optima K5 now. Have started asking around to get the best deals. Best i got so far was a RM700 rebate. |
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Mar 2 2012, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Feb 28 2012, 10:53 PM) Toyota Camry, my first choice among Accord, Sonata and Teana, but after driven the Teana, I stop thinking more and straight paid the deposit, and already driven my Teana for 3 months, very comfortable, especially the seat like sofa, totally no regret with my purchase. And I want to tell that Nissan service, spare parts is comparable to Toyota. Yes, agree bro. Me too... |
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Mar 2 2012, 11:48 PM
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already see the all new camry in china lately even took photo when the car in in parking bay. hardly to tell it is a new car. with conservative exterior. for me it is more or less the same size as current gen. side view is totally boring even compare with current gen. front view is lexus looks. rear view is going back the previous gen design.
btw, camry is gonna sell well i think. in china they having huge advertisement even in airport, roadside, newspaper all about the all new camry. besides, i saw advertisement for all new honda CRV also in newspaper in a very small corner lol. |
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Mar 3 2012, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE(seongmeng @ Feb 9 2012, 09:43 PM) i am agree with Cybermaster98, i am a Forte 2.0 owner since 2010 and soon to be Optima owner, the Camry spec even cannot compare with my 2.0 Forte Spec in many aspects, speed, pick up, safety, interior and exterior....only its space bigger....i test drived the Mit ASX Upgraded Model last 2 days, also very bad, loud engine, no power, only 3 airbags for 142k car?? back seat is like Viva, Build quality soso, try to open and close the Forte door then you know how good is the quality i said i love this, forte 2.0 vs camry.  |
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Mar 5 2012, 10:11 AM
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it all depends what you all are looking for. I myself have driven a nissan sylphy for almost 4 years now and i told myself never ever going back to a nissan no matter how nice and cheap it is! QC and RV will kill you!! I have more than 20 problem both big and small issues with the car within this short period of time. It includes:
1. Paint chip all over the car after less than 2 month old getting the car (resprayed whole car!) 2. Dashboard "pimple" prob (whole dashboard changed) 3. Gearbox gear changing pin broke and lost power while driving along NSE resulting GB jam 4. Seat belt sensor kong 5. Steering coupling knocking sound (replaced twice and yet the prob came back less than 1 month time!) 6. Boot water leaking 7. Spare tyre rusty 8. Undercarriage cover got 4 missing pin (don't ask me how it happened) 9. etc etc I've just booked a Camry 2.0G over the weekend with 8k discount and 5k overtrade because my 2nd kid is coming (bigger space), reliability (hopefully no more camping at SC) and RV. Sorry but i find the new camry FUGLY and like an oversized forte or altis only... This post has been edited by kkkw80: Mar 5 2012, 10:19 AM |
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Mar 5 2012, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(kkkw80 @ Mar 5 2012, 10:11 AM) it all depends what you all are looking for. I myself have driven a nissan sylphy for almost 4 years now and i told myself never ever going back to a nissan no matter how nice and cheap it is! QC and RV will kill you!! I have more than 20 problem both big and small issues with the car within this short period of time. It includes: Yes good move. But i think u should have waited 2 months till the new Camry is launched. They will then push off the current Camry for much less. When the discounts started for the Camry, it was RM2k. Now its RM8k. It will be much more as time goes by. I think by the time the new Camry is launched, the discounts would be easily RM15K or above.1. Paint chip all over the car after less than 2 month old getting the car (resprayed whole car!) 2. Dashboard "pimple" prob (whole dashboard changed) 3. Gearbox gear changing pin broke and lost power while driving along NSE resulting GB jam 4. Seat belt sensor kong 5. Steering coupling knocking sound (replaced twice and yet the prob came back less than 1 month time!) 6. Boot water leaking 7. Spare tyre rusty 8. Undercarriage cover got 4 missing pin (don't ask me how it happened) 9. etc etc I've just booked a Camry 2.0G over the weekend with 8k discount and 5k overtrade because my 2nd kid is coming (bigger space), reliability (hopefully no more camping at SC) and RV. Sorry but i find the new camry FUGLY and like an oversized forte or altis only... |
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Mar 5 2012, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 5 2012, 10:25 AM) Yes good move. But i think u should have waited 2 months till the new Camry is launched. They will then push off the current Camry for much less. When the discounts started for the Camry, it was RM2k. Now its RM8k. It will be much more as time goes by. I think by the time the new Camry is launched, the discounts would be easily RM15K or above. Or people will see the new Camry and think... wtf? I'm getting the old one. |
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Mar 5 2012, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Mar 1 2012, 02:51 PM) Yup, if based on the spec sheet, the Optima and Sonata is a killer, those Japs car maker will never offer such spec in this price range. Bro, how is sonata compared to teana/camry? Is it worth considering ? |
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Mar 5 2012, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 5 2012, 10:25 AM) Yes good move. But i think u should have waited 2 months till the new Camry is launched. They will then push off the current Camry for much less. When the discounts started for the Camry, it was RM2k. Now its RM8k. It will be much more as time goes by. I think by the time the new Camry is launched, the discounts would be easily RM15K or above. no need to wait cause apparently they've already stop ordering from Thailand and once all stock at hand sold off, there isn't anymore. They will stop selling Camry all together once all gone. Stock at hand already selling up fast with 2011 almost all gone and 2012 going fast..Added on March 5, 2012, 4:21 pm QUOTE(LLH @ Mar 5 2012, 03:36 PM) Bro, how is sonata compared to teana/camry? Is it worth considering ? peugeot/ kia/ hyundai if u notice tend to give better accessories compared to Jap cars which is more reserve. They have to in order to attract ppl to buy due to ppl's perception in their low resale value. Bear in mind, more accessories=potential more problem. So depends what you want. I myself is looking at reliability. No right or wrong here.This post has been edited by kkkw80: Mar 5 2012, 04:21 PM |
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Mar 5 2012, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(kkkw80 @ Mar 5 2012, 04:18 PM) peugeot/ kia/ hyundai if u notice tend to give better accessories compared to Jap cars which is more reserve. They have to in order to attract ppl to buy due to ppl's perception in their low resale value. Bear in mind, more accessories=potential more problem. So depends what you want. I myself is looking at reliability. No right or wrong here. Actually... Lexus (luxury vehicle division of Toyota) is boasting the world's first 8 speed AT, even the Toyota Camry sold in the US is having a 6-speed Electronically Controlled automatic overdrive Transmission with intelligence (ECT-i) and sequential shift mode (Compared to 4/5 Speed AT here), TEN airbags (compared to TWO here), navigation unit, plus all the bells and whistles that are in the KIAs and Hyundais and PUGs.It's not that they don't have the in-house technology or are reserved as clearly seen in the examples above.... I say they are simply taking their market position HERE for granted... cause customers here would blindly purchase a Toyota even if it came with 3 wheels and a motorcycle engine. This post has been edited by darthbaboon: Mar 5 2012, 04:59 PM |
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Mar 5 2012, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE(kkkw80 @ Mar 5 2012, 04:18 PM) no need to wait cause apparently they've already stop ordering from Thailand and once all stock at hand sold off, there isn't anymore. They will stop selling Camry all together once all gone. Stock at hand already selling up fast with 2011 almost all gone and 2012 going fast.. I understand. But just surveying if current sonata has any particular problems or not before decidingAdded on March 5, 2012, 4:21 pm peugeot/ kia/ hyundai if u notice tend to give better accessories compared to Jap cars which is more reserve. They have to in order to attract ppl to buy due to ppl's perception in their low resale value. Bear in mind, more accessories=potential more problem. So depends what you want. I myself is looking at reliability. No right or wrong here. |
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Mar 5 2012, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(LLH @ Mar 5 2012, 05:21 PM) I understand. But just surveying if current sonata has any particular problems or not before deciding Well..google around and i'm sure you'll get your answer. Depends on what you're looking for. |
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Mar 5 2012, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(kkkw80 @ Mar 5 2012, 04:18 PM) no need to wait cause apparently they've already stop ordering from Thailand and once all stock at hand sold off, there isn't anymore. They will stop selling Camry all together once all gone. Stock at hand already selling up fast with 2011 almost all gone and 2012 going fast.. Thats typical salesman talk la. Why dont u ask them if Rm8K will be the biggest discount Toyota will give. I bet you they will say yes. But u try again in about 1 months time and ull see them offering RM10K. Simple sale psychology. From history, Toyota will continue selling till almost the last possible moment. Even now, there is surplus stock coming in from Thailand. Most showrooms have ready stock with more on the way. The discounts will drop for sure. Happened with the Altis before. They were offering discounts up to 20K when the new Altis was launched. I know cuz my neighbour got one. |
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Mar 5 2012, 05:55 PM
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camry having big promotion now i think the new camry coming very soon
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Mar 6 2012, 09:38 AM
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i heard they give RM 15k discount for camry...correct or not?
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Mar 6 2012, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE(LLH @ Mar 5 2012, 05:21 PM) I understand. But just surveying if current sonata has any particular problems or not before deciding Why would you buy a Sonata over a Kia Optima K5? The Optima nails the Sonata in most aspects. I dont see any advantage in the Sonata at all. Many of those who have placed bookings for the Sonata are also changing to the Optima. |
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Mar 6 2012, 10:17 AM
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there is an advantage though..... that Kia SC is by Naza which is the shittiest of them all.... while Hyundai is by SD which is second shittiest beside Naza.
If makes quite a differences if u are a successful merchant that are really busy and have not much time to keep visiting the Service center. |
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Mar 6 2012, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Mar 6 2012, 10:17 AM) there is an advantage though..... that Kia SC is by Naza which is the shittiest of them all.... while Hyundai is by SD which is second shittiest beside Naza. Well choosing a car based on 1st & 2nd shittiest isnt exactly a good example of making the right decision is it? If ure comparing between Kia and Toyota then yes i would say after sales service would be a vast difference. But anybody who chooses the Sonata with its much lesser specs and value for money merely due to the 1st & 2nd shittiest argument isnt actually making a wise decision for sure.If makes quite a differences if u are a successful merchant that are really busy and have not much time to keep visiting the Service center. |
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Mar 6 2012, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Mar 1 2012, 09:37 AM) I agree that Nissan is towards comfort, but the Teana rides and handling is much better then the Toyota Camry, as for the interior design, I quite like it, at least it is not as complicate as the Sonata and Optima, which given me a feeling of "too much" buttons that did not properly place. For Optima K5, actually I have tested it once even the showroom still di not have any test unit, honestly, I felt the interior design for Kia Optima is kinda outdated, just look back the 90s' Camry, it is quite identical if you see carefully the dashboard design. As for the rides and handling, I think you should test drive the Teana again and you will find the difference, people told me that the K5 handling like European cars, but I honestly tell you that I found the Teana rides and handling is the most close to the European cars, maybe it is because Nissan share the platform with Renault, and this Teana platform actually is designed by Renault. Just Nissan tune it to softer side for more comfortable, but not as soft as the Camry. The engine output on paper for K5 actually beaten the Teana hands down for the 2.0, but when you drive it in real world test, the result will be in opposite direction. So please do not bash me or what, I just write out what I have gathered so far for these D-segments vehicle, especially those new K5 owner. And now I'm eager to test the all new Camry and see what Toyota able to improve since it is using back the same platform, engine and gearbox for the 2.0 version. agreed..for a d-seg car handling is not the highest priority nor using it as a driver's car..it is mostly for family oriented..so i would rate comfort comes first..hehe.. will just wanna tell those who interested in these 2 models go n test drive the car.. i would say drive 60km/h constantly thru an uneven long patch of road, and u'll be amazed at how compose Teana performs over Sonata..if u cant few the diff at the front seat..try to be at the back seat..den u'll discover it no doubt K5 could be just sold on its look itself..so depends on wat is ur top priority..2 cents Added on March 6, 2012, 10:56 am QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Mar 5 2012, 04:58 PM) Actually... Lexus (luxury vehicle division of Toyota) is boasting the world's first 8 speed AT, even the Toyota Camry sold in the US is having a 6-speed Electronically Controlled automatic overdrive Transmission with intelligence (ECT-i) and sequential shift mode (Compared to 4/5 Speed AT here), TEN airbags (compared to TWO here), navigation unit, plus all the bells and whistles that are in the KIAs and Hyundais and PUGs. agreed partially.. It's not that they don't have the in-house technology or are reserved as clearly seen in the examples above.... I say they are simply taking their market position HERE for granted... cause customers here would blindly purchase a Toyota even if it came with 3 wheels and a motorcycle engine. firstly u cant compare an aging camry to a newer model avialable in the market, tats y the new camry come out lo.. hyundai under SD is giving 2 airbags thru all range even for 2.4 YF..not till the YF premium came in.. toyota do have the in house tech, but it doesnt fit into that particular model ma..how u want UMW to fit it by its own? same goes to previously merz UK have 7G-tronic, but locally her we only have 5AT, and it was first introduced in C-class FL first only den later to W212... back to the upcoming camry, the 2.5 surely will give the 6AT with ECT-i liao de..only the 2.0 version spec remains mysterious..so just see wat it offers lo.. This post has been edited by swine: Mar 6 2012, 10:56 AM |
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Mar 6 2012, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 6 2012, 10:07 AM) Why would you buy a Sonata over a Kia Optima K5? The Optima nails the Sonata in most aspects. I dont see any advantage in the Sonata at all. Many of those who have placed bookings for the Sonata are also changing to the Optima. Actually i m considering the 2011 stocks that they give 7k discount quite attractive i d say but not sure about sonata quality though |
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Mar 6 2012, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(JohnnyKoo @ Mar 6 2012, 11:50 AM) I can't wait.I really like the interior design of this new Camry. |
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Mar 6 2012, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE(JohnnyKoo @ Mar 6 2012, 11:50 AM) And there should be little surprise when it comes to looks. The Toyota Camry for the ASEAN region has not been unveiled yet, but it should differ minimally, outside and inside, from this European Camry. Toyota seems too happy with being conservative with its all-new models, as the seventh-generation Camry appears more like a facelift than a car that is supposed to stay in the market for the next five years.Sarcasm alert..... |
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Mar 6 2012, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE(darthbaboon @ Mar 6 2012, 12:00 PM) And there should be little surprise when it comes to looks. The Toyota Camry for the ASEAN region has not been unveiled yet, but it should differ minimally, outside and inside, from this European Camry. Toyota seems too happy with being conservative with its all-new models, as the seventh-generation Camry appears more like a facelift than a car that is supposed to stay in the market for the next five years. Yes, I found the front part a bit look like the pre-facelift Accord, this all new Camry look like a facelift only, not like the so call "All New" one!!!!Sarcasm alert..... |
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Mar 6 2012, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE(LLH @ Mar 6 2012, 11:30 AM) Actually i m considering the 2011 stocks that they give 7k discount quite attractive i d say but not sure about sonata quality though 7K discount is not money in the pocket mind you. Thats the drop in resale value which the company is absorbing. Ure still getting a 1 yr old car and when u sell ure selling a car thats 1 year older. So isnt a discount at all. U get a 7K discount now and ull get 7K less when it comes to selling later on. Simple math. I still dont see why that would make the Sonata a good choice. Ure still paying about RM136K for a 1 year old car with half the specs found on a 2012 Optima costing RM 143K. Does that sound like a smart move to you? Not IMHO. |
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Mar 6 2012, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE(swine @ Mar 6 2012, 10:46 AM) agreed.. Have u driven the Optima? I suggest you do. The suspension on the Optima is not the same as the Sonata. It has Nitrogen pressured gas shock absorbers. Ive driven the Teana and found it to be quite comfortable as most Nissan cars are but the Optima is quite similar in comfort. I was quite impressed and yes ive sat at the back so got a good feel over bumpy roads.for a d-seg car handling is not the highest priority nor using it as a driver's car..it is mostly for family oriented..so i would rate comfort comes first..hehe.. will just wanna tell those who interested in these 2 models go n test drive the car.. i would say drive 60km/h constantly thru an uneven long patch of road, and u'll be amazed at how compose Teana performs over Sonata..if u cant few the diff at the front seat..try to be at the back seat..den u'll discover it no doubt K5 could be just sold on its look itself..so depends on wat is ur top priority..2 cents back to the upcoming camry, the 2.5 surely will give the 6AT with ECT-i liao de..only the 2.0 version spec remains mysterious..so just see wat it offers lo.. |
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Mar 6 2012, 02:06 PM
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New Camry look alike Altis , not sure if i get it right
is it using dual-VVTI as well ? |
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Mar 6 2012, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE(swine @ Mar 6 2012, 10:46 AM) back to the upcoming camry, the 2.5 surely will give the 6AT with ECT-i liao de..only the 2.0 version spec remains mysterious..so just see wat it offers lo The specs have been out for some time already. The 2.0L Camry will use the same 4 speed gearbox and same engine as the current model. Only the 2.5L will get the new dual VVTI engine and 6 speed gearbox. So do you think spending RM 155K on a poorly designed car with an old engine and 4 speed gb is worth the price despite it being a Toyota?Added on March 6, 2012, 2:44 pm QUOTE(alvincks @ Mar 6 2012, 02:06 PM) New Camry look alike Altis , not sure if i get it right Only the 2.5L model gets the new engine and gearbox. The 2.0L model is the same as the current Camry.is it using dual-VVTI as well ? This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Mar 6 2012, 02:44 PM |
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Mar 6 2012, 02:52 PM
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i heard new local camry still use 4 Speed Auto.
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Mar 6 2012, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(kyoshooo @ Mar 6 2012, 02:52 PM) i heard new local camry still use 4 Speed Auto. Yes thats wht i said. 4 speed auto for the 2.0L version. |
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Mar 6 2012, 05:48 PM
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I do like Teana design too BUT since I am driving a Nissan now and all the problem I had with them...NO WAY!!
As for 7k discount for 2011 camry, unless you plan to sell it less than 3 years down the road..it makes NO MUCH DIFFERENT! |
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Mar 6 2012, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE(kkkw80 @ Mar 6 2012, 05:48 PM) I do like Teana design too BUT since I am driving a Nissan now and all the problem I had with them...NO WAY!! I also quite surprise, people driving Nissan will complain about the Nissan problem, my friend driving a 6 months old Camry and keep kutuk Toyota no good, can't solve the problem he is facing lar.... bla bla bla....... Luckily I'm driving the Teana until now still problem free and in very good condition, same like when I just got my car few months back, even I have clocked 20K km now.As for 7k discount for 2011 camry, unless you plan to sell it less than 3 years down the road..it makes NO MUCH DIFFERENT! |
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Mar 6 2012, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE(swine @ Mar 6 2012, 10:46 AM) agreed.. Huh? Why isn't handling important? Someone has to drive the thing... if comfort is all that counts, go buy Citroen C5. Magic carpet ride.for a d-seg car handling is not the highest priority nor using it as a driver's car..it is mostly for family oriented..so i would rate comfort comes first..hehe.. will just wanna tell those who interested in these 2 models go n test drive the car.. i would say drive 60km/h constantly thru an uneven long patch of road, and u'll be amazed at how compose Teana performs over Sonata..if u cant few the diff at the front seat..try to be at the back seat..den u'll discover it no doubt K5 could be just sold on its look itself..so depends on wat is ur top priority..2 cents Added on March 6, 2012, 10:56 am agreed partially.. firstly u cant compare an aging camry to a newer model avialable in the market, tats y the new camry come out lo.. hyundai under SD is giving 2 airbags thru all range even for 2.4 YF..not till the YF premium came in.. toyota do have the in house tech, but it doesnt fit into that particular model ma..how u want UMW to fit it by its own? same goes to previously merz UK have 7G-tronic, but locally her we only have 5AT, and it was first introduced in C-class FL first only den later to W212... back to the upcoming camry, the 2.5 surely will give the 6AT with ECT-i liao de..only the 2.0 version spec remains mysterious..so just see wat it offers lo.. Aging Camry? My conti (almost) base spec C segment Citroen from 2002 has 6 airbags, and would have ESP if I had anything but the smallest engine. That was a 45-50k RM car from 10 years ago (of course not here). The Toyota Yaris has 4 or 6 airbags, more are optional. The Aygo has 4 I think. Daihatsu Sirion 4 or 6. In other markets. For many, many, many years now. Toyota is ripping off Malaysians, it's just like that. Someone at Toyota has to specially make ultra low spec Camrys with outdated gearboxes. How different can the US or JDM Camry be from the ASEAN one so that these parts don't fit? Actually, who is still producing 4 speed? That's like XBoxes coming with 30 GB HDDs... where the hell do they find those? |
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Mar 7 2012, 07:53 AM
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QUOTE(kkkw80 @ Mar 6 2012, 05:48 PM) As for 7k discount for 2011 camry, unless you plan to sell it less than 3 years down the road..it makes NO MUCH DIFFERENT! The discount is for the 2011 Sonata la. Yes, it doesnt make any difference because of the drop in resale value whether is 3yrs or 7 yrs. Its still no different. |
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Mar 7 2012, 12:44 PM
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hi guys
been thinking about current model due to large discount... but SA is also saying the current camry is old tech.. which makes me ponder long and hard... any comment |
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Mar 7 2012, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(kimusu2002 @ Mar 7 2012, 12:44 PM) hi guys Current Camry is very, very old tech. The question is if the new one will be any better, and if you want a modern car you should probably just look for a Conti or Korean car. Old tech of course should be well proven.been thinking about current model due to large discount... but SA is also saying the current camry is old tech.. which makes me ponder long and hard... any comment |
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Mar 7 2012, 03:03 PM
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probably getting new engine and gearbox like the altis
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Mar 7 2012, 03:59 PM
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since Altis is on the new engine, Camry might get the same treatment too. Mayb they will retain the older tech engine on the lowest spec ?
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Mar 7 2012, 04:45 PM
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will be happy to see 2.5cc have sunroof.
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Mar 8 2012, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE(newtonmetre @ Mar 8 2012, 04:33 PM) It's coming this month the sales person told me!! Already reported in the news la. |
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Mar 9 2012, 08:47 PM
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no wonder you going for Optima, better value and better specs.
So Naza service how? got results? |
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Mar 10 2012, 10:25 PM
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.....wow....
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Mar 11 2012, 11:50 AM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Mar 10 2012, 10:25 PM) .....wow.... turn another 45degrees suddenly not so wow..  |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 11 2012, 11:50 AM) turn another 45degrees suddenly not so wow.. no need to turn another 45deg....front also not so wow |
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Mar 11 2012, 12:47 PM
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QUOTE(R80 @ Mar 11 2012, 12:39 PM) no need to turn another 45deg....front also not so wow haha not so wow also gonna be the top selling car for D segment lol |
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Mar 11 2012, 12:56 PM
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Let's see what are the specifications.
Hopefully turbocharged but it's just my dream |
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Mar 11 2012, 01:03 PM
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turbocharged mean more power is it?
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Mar 11 2012, 02:10 PM
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Is there an Accord facelift this year ?
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Mar 11 2012, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Mar 11 2012, 12:47 PM) haha not so wow also gonna be the top selling car for D segment lol what to do....there are many rich uncle and aunties in our country with bad taste This post has been edited by R80: Mar 11 2012, 05:57 PM |
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Mar 11 2012, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE(R80 @ Mar 11 2012, 12:39 PM) no need to turn another 45deg....front also not so wow Front looks like an accord... |
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Mar 11 2012, 06:14 PM
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QUOTE(R80 @ Mar 11 2012, 05:48 PM) what to do....there are many rich uncle and aunties in our country with bad taste There is nothing wrong with a older person wanting a slower comfortable stress-free serene drive and Toyota are very good at that, better than a Accord. May be your rich uncle and aunties still wear cowboy boots and drive like a kamikaze. |
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Mar 11 2012, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 11 2012, 06:14 PM) There is nothing wrong with a older person wanting a slower comfortable stress-free serene drive and Toyota are very good at that, better than a Accord. May be your rich uncle and aunties still wear cowboy boots and drive like a kamikaze. Quite true.The elder generation in their forties now don't have the heart to go vroom vroom anymore All prefer comfortable car |
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Mar 11 2012, 11:32 PM
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it'll come with 7 speed, thats what the SA told me. i went to shah alam sek15 showroom, they assemble the camry in sek16. he got an engineer friend who told him. the engineer oredi working on the car almost 1 yr
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Mar 11 2012, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE(yazidsahak @ Mar 11 2012, 11:32 PM) it'll come with 7 speed, thats what the SA told me. i went to shah alam sek15 showroom, they assemble the camry in sek16. he got an engineer friend who told him. the engineer oredi working on the car almost 1 yr 7 speed gearbox?Sounds promising Any other more details to leak? |
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Mar 12 2012, 01:09 AM
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he only said it'll be a new engine dual VVTi as altis oredi have. not much info oso as the thing is kept secret. starting new month SAs throughout the country will go for a course / introduction of the new camry. only then we'll know more i guess. he said the car will be out in june
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Mar 12 2012, 10:18 AM
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If really come with 7 speed that gonna be wow wow wow
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Mar 12 2012, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(LLH @ Mar 11 2012, 02:10 PM) Is there an Accord facelift this year ? Accord is due for replacement next year I doubt any facelift anymore... |
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Mar 12 2012, 12:40 PM
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that 7 speed should be the CVT
most likely engine+transmission combo from altis 2.0 |
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Mar 12 2012, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(electron @ Mar 12 2012, 12:40 PM) that 7 speed should be the CVT wow that would be greatmost likely engine+transmission combo from altis 2.0 |
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Mar 12 2012, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Mar 11 2012, 07:22 PM) Quite true. either that or people like my dad who is so goddamn stubborn that he only believes Toyota is the most reliable in the world blablabla. he would not even step in KIA's showroom no matter how hard i persuade him last time to have a look at how koreans have improved in terms of design. But maybe he is right, perhaps the Jap has proven themselves to be reliable over the times. Just that in our country, they wanna con our money by giving us ***** specs.The elder generation in their forties now don't have the heart to go vroom vroom anymore All prefer comfortable car This post has been edited by Kalist0: Mar 12 2012, 03:24 PM |
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Mar 12 2012, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(Kalist0 @ Mar 12 2012, 03:22 PM) either that or people like my dad who is so goddamn stubborn that he only believes Toyota is the most reliable in the world blablabla. he would not even step in KIA's showroom no matter how hard i persuade him last time to have a look at how koreans have improved in terms of design. But maybe he is right, perhaps the Jap has proven themselves to be reliable over the times. Just that in our country, they wanna con our money by giving us ***** specs. thanks to our tax structure, so jap cars coming in will try to cut cost to avoid the price going skyrocket since its already on the highend. While Korean cars are taxed in a diff manner which yields cheaper selling prices with better bundled specs |
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Mar 13 2012, 12:26 AM
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 11 2012, 06:14 PM) There is nothing wrong with a older person wanting a slower comfortable stress-free serene drive and Toyota are very good at that, better than a Accord. May be your rich uncle and aunties still wear cowboy boots and drive like a kamikaze. Comfort? Citroen C5. Glides like a Rolls (uses the same but updated suspension as some Rolls Royce models). Why are Korean cars taxed in a different manner? Or do you mean Naza? Actually it is good that old Uncles like the Camry. They crash, they die, save money for pensions. |
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Mar 13 2012, 12:34 AM
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Mar 13 2012, 12:26 AM) Comfort? Citroen C5. Glides like a Rolls (uses the same but updated suspension as some Rolls Royce models). It's funny to think some people actually believe they couldn't die in a conti. I suppose they also believe Princess Diana is still alive and living in Egypt.Why are Korean cars taxed in a different manner? Or do you mean Naza? Actually it is good that old Uncles like the Camry. They crash, they die, save money for pensions. |
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Mar 13 2012, 12:49 AM
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QUOTE(xin @ Mar 12 2012, 04:55 PM) thanks to our tax structure, so jap cars coming in will try to cut cost to avoid the price going skyrocket since its already on the highend. While Korean cars are taxed in a diff manner which yields cheaper selling prices with better bundled specs fact is , they already removed the import tax because Thailand already 2lan. T&H still selling at same price so their pocket will be fatter |
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Mar 13 2012, 01:31 AM
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 13 2012, 12:34 AM) It's funny to think some people actually believe they couldn't die in a conti. I suppose they also believe Princess Diana is still alive and living in Egypt. Not can't die, it's just less likely. That's good enough for me. If you do ridiculously dangerous things, yes, you'll die, no matter what car. But a proper race car, like a F1 car, will let you survive crashes which no normal car, not even an S class or something like that will let you survive. Likewise, a proper conti spec car will let you survive crashes that a downgraded Japanese meant for developing nations model won't.Actually the Camry shouldn't be that bad. But would a same size conti probably protect you better, especially when there is a side impact? Absolutely, yes. Also, a conti spec Japanese car is fine too. The problem is what they sell here, apart from some JDM models like the Prius. |
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Mar 13 2012, 01:39 AM
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Tempting since the Passat 1.8T is now only RM 170K.
This Camry...hope they price it right. |
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Mar 13 2012, 02:14 AM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Mar 13 2012, 01:39 AM) Tempting since the Passat 1.8T is now only RM 170K. rumors it is cheaper than the current one, most likely 10k +- , i think cause it is ckd for the next modelThis Camry...hope they price it right. |
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Mar 13 2012, 07:47 AM
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I dun get why ppl complain about others buying Camry... their money their choices. U care they die or no die.....
Its all personal reference, and its not like u give them 10-20 airbag in the car they will choose that car. And do u guys know how many airbag this new camry gonna have anyway..... |
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Mar 13 2012, 09:10 AM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Mar 13 2012, 07:47 AM) I dun get why ppl complain about others buying Camry... their money their choices. U care they die or no die..... QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 13 2012, 12:34 AM) It's funny to think some people actually believe they couldn't die in a conti. I suppose they also believe Princess Diana is still alive and living in Egypt. Time to die, you die...not matter how many airbags or even the car (Jap or Conti or watever) you drive!! Juz drive safe (dun shorten time given to yu!) & pray that your time is not UP yet... Added on March 13, 2012, 9:17 am QUOTE(kadajawi @ Mar 13 2012, 12:26 AM) Actually it is good that old Uncles like the Camry. They crash, they die, save money for pensions. NEVER grow OLD, Fren!!! Or yu might end up as 1 of those old Uncles.... ps. Kenot understand wat yu hv against OLD ppl? Aren't yu gonna grow old one day, too? This post has been edited by zeone: Mar 13 2012, 09:21 AM |
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Mar 13 2012, 09:21 AM
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QUOTE(AlexLee277 @ Mar 13 2012, 02:14 AM) rumors it is cheaper than the current one, most likely 10k +- , i think cause it is ckd for the next model Is it?If it is then a very good news. |
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Mar 13 2012, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Mar 13 2012, 09:10 AM) Time to die, you die...not matter how many airbags or even the car you drive!! Been through accident.... and is like not up to u to drive slow or safe is like the other guy (the other driver)Juz drive safe (dun shorten time given to yu!) & pray that your time is not UP yet... Added on March 13, 2012, 9:17 am NEVER grow OLD, Fren!!! Or yu might end up as 1 of those old Uncles.... ps. Kenot understand wat yu hv against OLD ppl? Aren't yu gonna grow old one day, too? sometimes it happens becoz it is meant to happen. Like the bloody car knock by the Lori.... even Mercedes Benz with all the safety feature is useless. Crush directly by the impact the whole car and person finish on the spot not even airbag or anything can safe that fellow. |
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Mar 13 2012, 11:38 AM
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Obviously under the same situation, chances of survival is higher when you are in a safer car compared to a not so safe car. But of course every thing has their limit even tank will get crushed under certain conditions.
So based on your point of view why don't you start crossing roads with your eyes closed. I mean if you are meant to die you die right? QUOTE(0300078 @ Mar 13 2012, 09:22 AM) Been through accident.... and is like not up to u to drive slow or safe is like the other guy (the other driver) sometimes it happens becoz it is meant to happen. Like the bloody car knock by the Lori.... even Mercedes Benz with all the safety feature is useless. Crush directly by the impact the whole car and person finish on the spot not even airbag or anything can safe that fellow. |
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Mar 13 2012, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 13 2012, 11:38 AM) Obviously under the same situation, chances of survival is higher when you are in a safer car compared to a not so safe car. But of course every thing has their limit even tank will get crushed under certain conditions. Bro...pls read my post for a more rational view....esp this :So based on your point of view why don't you start crossing roads with your eyes closed. I mean if you are meant to die you die right? "Juz drive safe (dun shorten time given to yu!!)..." The ENLARGED phrase is what yu are suggesting.... ps. we shld not argue for the sake of argument.... This post has been edited by zeone: Mar 13 2012, 01:27 PM |
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Mar 13 2012, 01:37 PM
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Nope your "juz drive safe" statement is not the point. Accident do happen even when everyone drives safe.
It's still safer to sit in a safer car compared to a 1 star NCAP car under the same situation. Makes a difference. If not why wear seat belt or helmet when driving/riding? You can tell the cops that nasib comes wear no wear also no different mah. QUOTE(zeone @ Mar 13 2012, 01:23 PM) Bro...pls read my post for a more rational view....esp this : "Juz drive safe (dun shorten time given to yu!!)..." The ENLARGED phrase is what yu are suggesting.... ps. we shld not argue for the sake of argument.... |
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Mar 13 2012, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 13 2012, 01:37 PM) Nope your "juz drive safe" statement is not the point. Accident do happen even when everyone drives safe. Not good reasoning there....yu kenot tell cop that cos the Law is the Law, not matter what one believes in... It's still safer to sit in a safer car compared to a 1 star NCAP car under the same situation. Makes a difference. If not why wear seat belt or helmet when driving/riding? You can tell the cops that nasib comes wear no wear also no different mah. Sorry, my fren...not gonna argue with someone who juz argues for the sake of arguing.... Can argue till "the cows come home" also like that...same difference!! TQ. No deal here. Got better things to do. Bye! |
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Mar 13 2012, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Mar 13 2012, 09:10 AM) Time to die, you die...not matter how many airbags or even the car (Jap or Conti or watever) you drive!! there is a saying, Juz drive safe (dun shorten time given to yu!) & pray that your time is not UP yet... Added on March 13, 2012, 9:17 am NEVER grow OLD, Fren!!! Or yu might end up as 1 of those old Uncles.... ps. Kenot understand wat yu hv against OLD ppl? Aren't yu gonna grow old one day, too? live fast, die young |
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Mar 13 2012, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Mar 13 2012, 07:47 AM) I dun get why ppl complain about others buying Camry... their money their choices. U care they die or no die..... Complaints are good as they encourage improvements Its all personal reference, and its not like u give them 10-20 airbag in the car they will choose that car. And do u guys know how many airbag this new camry gonna have anyway..... |
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Mar 13 2012, 10:56 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Mar 13 2012, 09:10 AM) Time to die, you die...not matter how many airbags or even the car (Jap or Conti or watever) you drive!! Hm... first you say it's fate anyway, so it doesn't matter. Then you say one should drive safe? But it doesn't matter... or are you saying by driving fast etc. you are tempting fate? But aren't you tempting fate too when you drive an unsafe car, when you could afford a safe one? I just wish to extend this thinking that you shouldn't act silly or dangerous to the choice of cars. Is that hard to understand? Driving an unsafe car is like driving a bike without proper helmet and protective gear (fall down and it will hurt like hell, but obviously I know that in Malaysia those who ride a bike probably do it because they can't afford a car, thus an expensive protective suit is out of question too... it would be uncomfortable too).Juz drive safe (dun shorten time given to yu!) & pray that your time is not UP yet... Again, if you can't afford it, that is bad. But nothing you can do about it (although a safer not too old conti can be had for relatively little money, even models that are cheap to run). But many chose to buy a Toyota (exception Prius) despite there being safer options in the same class, for a comparable price. I am not arguing for the sake of arguing, I do hope that I can convince someone to care about what car they buy, to pick the safer choice (not financially, but in terms of protecting themselves and those who are in the car). Obviously that also means behaving properly, like not letting children run around in the car etc., they have to be wearing seatbelts and sit on children seats. I have nothing against old people, just that sometimes they are not flexible. Toyota will keep ripping off Malaysians until Malaysians show them that they do not like it. Then will the cars improve. But I don't see it happening, unfortunately. |
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Mar 13 2012, 11:06 PM
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QUOTE(AlexLee277 @ Mar 13 2012, 02:14 AM) rumors it is cheaper than the current one, most likely 10k +- , i think cause it is ckd for the next model No chance to get a lower price of Camry eventhough the car will be locally assembled. According to Toyota SA, the price will be 158k for 2.0 and 185k for 2.5. The launching date will be 6th June... Booking is acceptable from 1st April. |
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Mar 14 2012, 08:09 AM
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158k ??? I assuming that's for 2.0G... still it's very pricey for a 2.0
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Mar 14 2012, 09:00 AM
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Mar 13 2012, 10:56 PM) Hm... first you say it's fate anyway, so it doesn't matter. Then you say one should drive safe? But it doesn't matter... or are you saying by driving fast etc. you are tempting fate? But aren't you tempting fate too when you drive an unsafe car, when you could afford a safe one? I just wish to extend this thinking that you shouldn't act silly or dangerous to the choice of cars. Is that hard to understand? Driving an unsafe car is like driving a bike without proper helmet and protective gear (fall down and it will hurt like hell, but obviously I know that in Malaysia those who ride a bike probably do it because they can't afford a car, thus an expensive protective suit is out of question too... it would be uncomfortable too). so what car your drive? Again, if you can't afford it, that is bad. But nothing you can do about it (although a safer not too old conti can be had for relatively little money, even models that are cheap to run). But many chose to buy a Toyota (exception Prius) despite there being safer options in the same class, for a comparable price. I am not arguing for the sake of arguing, I do hope that I can convince someone to care about what car they buy, to pick the safer choice (not financially, but in terms of protecting themselves and those who are in the car). Obviously that also means behaving properly, like not letting children run around in the car etc., they have to be wearing seatbelts and sit on children seats. I have nothing against old people, just that sometimes they are not flexible. Toyota will keep ripping off Malaysians until Malaysians show them that they do not like it. Then will the cars improve. But I don't see it happening, unfortunately. |
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Mar 14 2012, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE(kimusu2002 @ Mar 14 2012, 08:09 AM) 158k ??? I assuming that's for 2.0G... still it's very pricey for a 2.0 158K for a 4 speed auto and old 2006 generation engine and very limited specs?? Waiting for the new CRV Despite me being a Toyota man, ill say boycott Toyota for such crap. Btw, the new CRV isnt all that great as well. Rear shape looks quite odd and weird. |
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Mar 14 2012, 10:09 AM
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k no deal. contradicting statements though. people buy volvos for a reason.
QUOTE(zeone @ Mar 13 2012, 02:04 PM) Not good reasoning there....yu kenot tell cop that cos the Law is the Law, not matter what one believes in... Sorry, my fren...not gonna argue with someone who juz argues for the sake of arguing.... Can argue till "the cows come home" also like that...same difference!! TQ. No deal here. Got better things to do. Bye! |
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Mar 14 2012, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE(advocado @ Mar 14 2012, 11:09 AM) k no deal. contradicting statements though. people buy volvos for a reason. because cannot afford bmw, but not planning to buy jap. Added on March 14, 2012, 10:17 am QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 14 2012, 10:00 AM) so what car your drive? i was wondering the same thing too with all the complains he pouring in.This post has been edited by Kalist0: Mar 14 2012, 10:17 AM |
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Mar 14 2012, 11:02 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 14 2012, 09:30 AM) 158K for a 4 speed auto and old 2006 generation engine and very limited specs?? I don't mind to pay extra few k if they are using the new Dual VVTi engine with 7 speed gearbox. However, the SA told me that toyota will still using old half of a decade engine with 4 speed transmission Despite me being a Toyota man, ill say boycott Toyota for such crap. Btw, the new CRV isnt all that great as well. Rear shape looks quite odd and weird. If you can afford only 2.0 model, i suggest you to go on the current model with 10k discount, it is still the same but cheaper price |
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QUOTE(ericyuu @ Mar 14 2012, 11:02 AM) I don't mind to pay extra few k if they are using the new Dual VVTi engine with 7 speed gearbox. However, the SA told me that toyota will still using old half of a decade engine with 4 speed transmission The SA told me is new engine and new gearbox for 2.0 model. by this month end should have car to see.... If you can afford only 2.0 model, i suggest you to go on the current model with 10k discount, it is still the same but cheaper price |
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Mar 14 2012, 03:57 PM
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ooo, contradicting response from camrycar2012 and ericyuu..
hoping its prices is at least maintained as current model......... |
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Mar 14 2012, 05:17 PM
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QUOTE(kimusu2002 @ Mar 14 2012, 03:57 PM) ooo, contradicting response from camrycar2012 and ericyuu.. I just share the information which got from Toyota SA, I do wish the price will maintained the same at least..hoping its prices is at least maintained as current model......... However, I don't see any of new facelift or new generation of car reduced its price, almost all of them increased their price at least few k and above... Added on March 14, 2012, 5:26 pm QUOTE(camrycar2012 @ Mar 14 2012, 01:56 PM) The SA told me is new engine and new gearbox for 2.0 model. by this month end should have car to see.... New engine and gearbox on 2.0 model? This month got new car to see? Hopefully the information is correct... Too many different information from SA, Toyota is keeping the secret with ridiculous pricing...This post has been edited by ericyuu: Mar 14 2012, 05:26 PM |
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Mar 14 2012, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(ericyuu @ Mar 14 2012, 05:17 PM) I just share the information which got from Toyota SA, I do wish the price will maintained the same at least.. Interm of pricing , i dun think it will drop....However, I don't see any of new facelift or new generation of car reduced its price, almost all of them increased their price at least few k and above... Added on March 14, 2012, 5:26 pm New engine and gearbox on 2.0 model? This month got new car to see? Hopefully the information is correct... Too many different information from SA, Toyota is keeping the secret with ridiculous pricing... |
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Mar 15 2012, 01:52 AM
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That's it. If the price remain the same I'll rather settle for Mondeo or the new Passat.
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Mar 15 2012, 02:27 AM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 14 2012, 09:00 AM) so what car your drive? In Europe a Citroen Xsara 1.4, 2002, with 6 airbags. 3 stars EuroNCAP (that's the pre-facelift rating which had fewer safety features and some airbag malfunction during the crash, so ours probably should perform better). I think we paid 8000 Euro for the 1 year old car. I'm very satisfied with it, drives well even at high speeds, is comfortable. The engine could be stronger, obviously, but the manual gearbox makes the most out of it.In Malaysia a 2005 Renault Kangoo, 2 airbags, 4 stars EuroNCAP. 5-6 year old car, paid 25k. Been relatively reliable and affordable to run, extremely spacious and has decent handling too (to me a good compromise between comfort and handling, although it is leaning on the stiffer side of things. It's a conti after all). As you can see both budget cars, but both reasonably safe for their price and age. It can be done, even in Malaysia. From a D segment car I do expect much more than that though, especially considering the price and competition. I wouldn't consider the Jaguar XF either, despite being gorgeous and having a very lovely interior. But 4 stars is just not good enough if you pay so much. This post has been edited by kadajawi: Mar 15 2012, 02:28 AM |
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Mar 15 2012, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Mar 15 2012, 02:27 AM) In Europe a Citroen Xsara 1.4, 2002, with 6 airbags. 3 stars EuroNCAP (that's the pre-facelift rating which had fewer safety features and some airbag malfunction during the crash, so ours probably should perform better). I think we paid 8000 Euro for the 1 year old car. I'm very satisfied with it, drives well even at high speeds, is comfortable. The engine could be stronger, obviously, but the manual gearbox makes the most out of it. so price aside, i'm pretty sure the new camry would withstand an accident as well as your 2005 kangoo right? so safety wise, on par with what you are driving mah.. since final destination type scenarios dun care you sit in kangoo/xsara or 2012 camry right?In Malaysia a 2005 Renault Kangoo, 2 airbags, 4 stars EuroNCAP. 5-6 year old car, paid 25k. Been relatively reliable and affordable to run, extremely spacious and has decent handling too (to me a good compromise between comfort and handling, although it is leaning on the stiffer side of things. It's a conti after all). As you can see both budget cars, but both reasonably safe for their price and age. It can be done, even in Malaysia. From a D segment car I do expect much more than that though, especially considering the price and competition. I wouldn't consider the Jaguar XF either, despite being gorgeous and having a very lovely interior. But 4 stars is just not good enough if you pay so much. |
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Mar 15 2012, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 15 2012, 09:05 AM) so price aside, i'm pretty sure the new camry would withstand an accident as well as your 2005 kangoo right? so safety wise, on par with what you are driving mah.. since final destination type scenarios dun care you sit in kangoo/xsara or 2012 camry right? yeahh...u got a point here |
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Mar 15 2012, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Mar 15 2012, 01:52 AM) That's it. If the price remain the same I'll rather settle for Mondeo or the new Passat. yeah, Passat will be a good choice if the price higher than the current version. 6 airbags with better safety features, why not? |
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Mar 15 2012, 09:27 PM
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interior acceptable la, semi-uncle-ish. exterior uber uncle-ish.
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Mar 15 2012, 10:35 PM
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anyone knowing when will be the launching date???
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Mar 16 2012, 12:21 AM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 15 2012, 09:05 AM) so price aside, i'm pretty sure the new camry would withstand an accident as well as your 2005 kangoo right? so safety wise, on par with what you are driving mah.. since final destination type scenarios dun care you sit in kangoo/xsara or 2012 camry right? Likely, yes. But the Camry is much, much much more expensive. In those price regions you can get cars that are much safer than the Kangoo, so the question is: Why not buy one of them? Find me a 25k car that is as safe as the Kangoo though. You simply go for the safest car that it in the price range that you are willing to pay. If it is a bit less safe, but has other advantages, ok. But the gap between a Camry and a Jetta/Passat for example will be pretty big. Or between a Fiesta sedan and the Camry. |
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Mar 16 2012, 12:28 AM
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Mar 16 2012, 12:21 AM) Likely, yes. But the Camry is much, much much more expensive. In those price regions you can get cars that are much safer than the Kangoo, so the question is: Why not buy one of them? Find me a 25k car that is as safe as the Kangoo though. You simply go for the safest car that it in the price range that you are willing to pay. If it is a bit less safe, but has other advantages, ok. But the gap between a Camry and a Jetta/Passat for example will be pretty big. Or between a Fiesta sedan and the Camry. well that's your reasoning based on price factor, but the way i see it, if you can put your life in a kangoo, i dun see what;s wrong with a 2012 camry with similar crash protection.. |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 16 2012, 12:28 AM) well that's your reasoning based on price factor, but the way i see it, if you can put your life in a kangoo, i dun see what;s wrong with a 2012 camry with similar crash protection.. If I had the budget for a safer car, I would have gone for it. Probably a C4 Picasso or something like that (I need an MPV), although the C4 isn't as practical as the Kangoo (sliding doors). And for Camry sort of money that would be the very last car I'd consider, even far behind the Koreans (ok, ahead of _some_ Chinese cars. Some Chinese D segment cars are likely to be safer than a Camry).If people would stop buying the Camry for safety reasons, the next Camry would be as safe as the competition. Toyota has the tech. They CAN do it. Btw., a brand new D segment which offers the same sort of protection (probably) as a 9 year old (probably much older, the facelift was rather cosmetical) design of a car that was built upon a B segment platform and that was meant to be a very affordable panel van? And you fail to see what's wrong with that? Times have changed, technologies have advanced. A lot. |
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Mar 16 2012, 08:45 AM
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Mar 16 2012, 01:17 AM) If I had the budget for a safer car, I would have gone for it. Probably a C4 Picasso or something like that (I need an MPV), although the C4 isn't as practical as the Kangoo (sliding doors). And for Camry sort of money that would be the very last car I'd consider, even far behind the Koreans (ok, ahead of _some_ Chinese cars. Some Chinese D segment cars are likely to be safer than a Camry). obviously you fail to see that your kangoo in 2002 getting 4 stars would fail to get even 3stars in 2012 new euroncap tests.. so please don't think so greatly of that panel van that you put your life in.If people would stop buying the Camry for safety reasons, the next Camry would be as safe as the competition. Toyota has the tech. They CAN do it. Btw., a brand new D segment which offers the same sort of protection (probably) as a 9 year old (probably much older, the facelift was rather cosmetical) design of a car that was built upon a B segment platform and that was meant to be a very affordable panel van? And you fail to see what's wrong with that? Times have changed, technologies have advanced. A lot. |
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Mar 17 2012, 03:28 AM
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No, I do realize that (although I think 2 stars would be a bit harsh), so yeah, perhaps the Camry is a bit safer. It better be, being 10 years newer and 2 segments higher, not to mention twice as expensive when new.
Again: It's about getting as much protection as the budget allows (or at least not much less than the best in that class and budget). And the Camry just doesn't. In Europe people not buying cars that are far behind in terms of safety led to all cars being pretty safe. It would be nice if that would be the case here too, no? Even Camry fans would profit from not buying it, eventually, as Toyota would finally release a competitive product. Just imagine Toyota would bring the Euro spec Avensis here. All specs are identical in terms of safety and include VSC+ and 7 airbags. 6 speed manual, auto or CVT, Diesel engines too. Base engine is a 1.6 with 132 hp. Not on par with the Germans perhaps, but not awful either. It's a car that I'd actually consider. What's wrong with that? Btw., base spec is 22700 Euro, minus 19% tax is 18387. IIRC the maximum tax for a CBU car is 115% (or is it 105?), 39532 Euro. That is around RM 158128. Now, why exactly should we pay so much for the Camry? (If I got http://www.maa.org.my/info_duty.htm right). If it was produced in an ASEAN country it would only be 85% (or 75%) tax, thus RM 136063. It is also likely that they do make some profit when selling the car in Germany, so imagine how much profit they are making here. This post has been edited by kadajawi: Mar 17 2012, 03:30 AM |
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Mar 17 2012, 07:40 AM
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all in all....it will still sell, firstly due to it's reliability and comfortableness, secondly due to its badge.
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Mar 17 2012, 09:56 AM
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So how many star did this new Camry get anyway... Since Mr kadajawi keep mentioning it...
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Mar 17 2012, 10:56 AM
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Mar 18 2012, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Mar 17 2012, 09:56 AM) So how many star did this new Camry get anyway... Since Mr kadajawi keep mentioning it... I don't think it ever got tested using the Malaysian spec car. US spec probably equivalent to 4 or 5 current EuroNCAP stars, which is good, but that one is full of safety features. I mean... standard 10 airbags, but only USD 22000? If you go for a Conti you'll get a 5 star car... that wasn't downgraded, so it still is one. Who knows if they use different steels on the ASEAN Camry. Toyota likes to rob us and blames the taxes. The taxes are very high, there is no doubt about that, but somehow taxes for Toyotas seem to be higher than for other brands... I would like to know how many star this new Camry got? Hopefully the ASEAN NCAP starts soon, and hopefully it's not a joke. Then we can finally see how OUR cars, as they are sold here, perform. For now there is a lot of guessing involved, except for Contis that get the same specs as in Europe. |
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Some pics from CBT.Launched in Thailand already
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Mar 18 2012, 08:05 AM
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A Toyota SA told me yesterday that the latest high spec Camry got all the gadgets you can expect from current Camry, Teana, Accord, and Passat.... not sure how true is it... or he bull shit me!
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Mar 18 2012, 08:32 AM
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wow from the sos it says that '' Also available in both the Camry Hybrid and Camry 2.5G is a Bluetooth Hands Free function that is linked to the car's DVD-AVN in-car entertainment unit, JBL 10 speaker system with 5.1 channel surround sound ''
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Mar 18 2012, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE Curiously, electronic stability control (VSC in Toyota lingo), which is available in the current 2.4V model, has been omitted in its replacement model. Not even the 2.5G gets the feature. If you want VSC, you will have to go all the way to the range topping Camry Hybrid. Also missing is a front passenger seat shoulder adjustment switch, which allows the driver (or the boss riding in the back) to adjust the front passenger seat forward. Again, this is now only available in the Camry Hybrid. aiyoh some of the current model features removed also.. and reserved for hybrid model. |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 18 2012, 09:04 AM) aiyoh some of the current model features removed also.. and reserved for hybrid model. anyone know if it comes with 10 airbags too??? if would be grat with 10 airbags and 10 speakers 5.1 surround by JBL ...wowAttached thumbnail(s) 
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Mar 18 2012, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Mar 18 2012, 02:14 PM) anyone know if it comes with 10 airbags too??? if would be grat with 10 airbags and 10 speakers 5.1 surround by JBL ...wow not sure also, since it's gonna be assembled here I guess we will have some different options than those thai built ones.. |
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Mar 18 2012, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE(assange @ Mar 18 2012, 08:05 AM) A Toyota SA told me yesterday that the latest high spec Camry got all the gadgets you can expect from current Camry, Teana, Accord, and Passat.... not sure how true is it... or he bull shit me! they will put all these into car price lo... this is malaysia mah.. |
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Mar 18 2012, 05:16 PM
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Mar 18 2012, 05:17 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Mar 18 2012, 02:14 PM) anyone know if it comes with 10 airbags too??? if would be grat with 10 airbags and 10 speakers 5.1 surround by JBL ...wow If Malaysia Camry 2.5 petrol spec come with 10 airbag, I will POTONG!!!! |
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Mar 18 2012, 05:23 PM
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Specifically .. Potong what first?!,!!
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Mar 18 2012, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Mar 18 2012, 12:16 AM) I don't think it ever got tested using the Malaysian spec car. US spec probably equivalent to 4 or 5 current EuroNCAP stars, which is good, but that one is full of safety features. I mean... standard 10 airbags, but only USD 22000? If you go for a Conti you'll get a 5 star car... that wasn't downgraded, so it still is one. Who knows if they use different steels on the ASEAN Camry. Toyota likes to rob us and blames the taxes. The taxes are very high, there is no doubt about that, but somehow taxes for Toyotas seem to be higher than for other brands... I seriously hope it is not true.... if true then might as well grab Passat Hopefully the ASEAN NCAP starts soon, and hopefully it's not a joke. Then we can finally see how OUR cars, as they are sold here, perform. For now there is a lot of guessing involved, except for Contis that get the same specs as in Europe. |
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Mar 18 2012, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 18 2012, 05:23 PM) Specifically .. Potong what first?!,!! POTONG ｋｕｋｕ |
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Mar 18 2012, 07:09 PM
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assange ... you are safe because the 2012 Camry comes from Bolehland. 10 air bags will not be possible.
If comes from Tomyamland, then your kuku has problem already |
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Mar 18 2012, 08:09 PM
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QUOTE(karyeowl @ Mar 18 2012, 07:09 PM) assange ... you are safe because the 2012 Camry comes from Bolehland. 10 air bags will not be possible. It's hard to say.If comes from Tomyamland, then your kuku has problem already Not yet launched the kuku will be in vulnerable position. |
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Mar 18 2012, 08:20 PM
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If 7th Gen Camry here got 10 airbags, I potong kuku + free "Bonus"
If New Camry Launch with 4 airbags - ok loh! It suppose to have at least 4 here 6 airbags - Wow!!! Really improved in Boleh Land!!! 8 airbags - Potong!!! 10 airbags - Potong !! + free bonus This post has been edited by assange: Mar 18 2012, 08:28 PM |
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Mar 18 2012, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE(assange @ Mar 18 2012, 08:20 PM) If 7th Gen Camry here got 10 airbags, I potong kuku + free "Bonus" What's the bonus? If New Camry Launch with 4 airbags - ok loh! It suppose to have at least 4 here 6 airbags - Wow!!! Really improved in Boleh Land!!! 8 airbags - Potong!!! 10 airbags - Potong !! + free bonus Belanja us teh tarik?  |
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Mar 18 2012, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Mar 18 2012, 08:32 PM) What's the bonus? For sure you have no chance to drink my Teh Tarik already....Belanja us teh tarik? |
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Mar 18 2012, 09:18 PM
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Does it come with paddle shifts?
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Mar 18 2012, 10:33 PM
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from thailand website http://www.toyota.co.th/en/product-detail....ry&opt=features , the 2.0G is still the 4 AT... i think for those waiting for the new camry 2.0 in malaysia can forget about the new camry liao...
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Mar 18 2012, 10:53 PM
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go for the top and highest specs lol....
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QUOTE(camrycar2012 @ Mar 18 2012, 10:33 PM) from thailand website http://www.toyota.co.th/en/product-detail....ry&opt=features , the 2.0G is still the 4 AT... i think for those waiting for the new camry 2.0 in malaysia can forget about the new camry liao... It doesn't make sense to go for 2.0 camry as the engine and gearbox are still using the 1AZ-FE & 4 speed. Toyota will only mark up the price with aging engine & gearbox, unreasonable at all... better go for other option. Passat will be a good consideration...Added on March 19, 2012, 11:37 am QUOTE(michspc @ Mar 18 2012, 10:53 PM) go for the top and highest specs lol.... Highest spec will be 2.5 which going to sell at 185k, you can get a continental car with this price already.This post has been edited by ericyuu: Mar 19 2012, 11:37 AM |
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Mar 19 2012, 11:49 AM
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If we order in bulk can get special discount?
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Mar 19 2012, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE(ericyuu @ Mar 19 2012, 11:35 AM) It doesn't make sense to go for 2.0 camry as the engine and gearbox are still using the 1AZ-FE & 4 speed. Toyota will only mark up the price with aging engine & gearbox, unreasonable at all... better go for other option. Passat will be a good consideration... 185k better settle with other makes liao Added on March 19, 2012, 11:37 am Highest spec will be 2.5 which going to sell at 185k, you can get a continental car with this price already. Passat/Mondeo/508/Sonata/K5. |
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Mar 19 2012, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Mar 19 2012, 12:27 PM) 185k better settle with other makes liao any source saying that 2.5L will be 185k???Passat/Mondeo/508/Sonata/K5. This post has been edited by michspc: Mar 19 2012, 01:42 PM |
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Mar 19 2012, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Mar 19 2012, 01:41 PM) any source saying that 2.5L will be 185k??? No all this is pure speculation only.I doubt the company will reduce the selling price of their Camry. The current 2.4 Camry (before the huge discount to clear stock) was selling close to 180k. |
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Mar 19 2012, 02:07 PM
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Mar 19 2012, 02:01 PM) No all this is pure speculation only. So do you think it is worth for adding another 5k upgrading from 2.4V 5 speed transmission(vvti)to 2.5Q 6 speed transmission(dual vvti)???I doubt the company will reduce the selling price of their Camry. The current 2.4 Camry (before the huge discount to clear stock) was selling close to 180k. |
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Mar 19 2012, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Mar 19 2012, 02:07 PM) So do you think it is worth for adding another 5k upgrading from 2.4V 5 speed transmission(vvti)to 2.5Q 6 speed transmission(dual vvti)??? No.Camry should be cheaper since they are now assembled here rather than imported from Thailand. If it's priced at 180k and above I'll suggest Passat at only RM 170K and comes with 5 years warranty. |
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Mar 19 2012, 02:49 PM
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[quote=Icehart,Mar 19 2012, 02:12 PM]
No. Camry should be cheaper since they are now assembled here rather than imported from Thailand. If it's priced at 180k and above I'll suggest Passat at only RM 170K and comes with 5 years warranty. But passat only 2.0 right? Seems underpower lol. Who knows the launching price will drop around 175k? |
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Mar 19 2012, 03:08 PM
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But passat only 2.0 right? Seems underpower lol. Who knows the launching price will drop around 175k? [/quote] Are u still with that old fashioned thinking that engine capacity = power? Power is determined by the amount of horsepower and torque against weight of the car. The Passat TSI is a 1.8L engine with 158Hp and 250Nm torque while the current Camry 2.4L has 165HP and 224Nm torque. The new Camry 2.5L would have 178Hp and 230Nm torque. So if ure looking at efficiency, the Passat would still rank higher and it would still be more powerful due to the 7 speed DSG and higher torque. |
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Mar 19 2012, 03:09 PM
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Passat is 1.8 turbo....
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Mar 19 2012, 03:17 PM
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i am also just waiting for the camry to have a look and a test drive but as expected, the specs are not to0 good
so it all goes by the pricing..... else... passat is the choice |
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Mar 19 2012, 04:31 PM
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but passat is not well known in Sarawak here , hardly can see any brand of that car here lol
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Mar 19 2012, 04:57 PM
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RM185K better get the VW Passat, cheaper and road tax also cheaper
Moreover, 5 years warranty..Added on March 19, 2012, 5:09 pmI think the Passat is more fun to drive as it has good torque at low rpm. Passat Camry2012 Price RM170,888 RM?? Engine 1798 2494 Body type 4-door sedan 4-door sedan Length 4769 4825 width 1820 1825 height 1470 1470 Wheelbase, mm 2712 2775 Track front, mm 1552 1575 Track rear, mm 1551 1560 Wheel size 7.5J x 17 16" Tyre size 235/45 R17 Turning circle, m 11.4 5.5 Max. output, kW (PS) at rpm 118 (160)/5000-6200 133(181)/6,000 Max. torque, Nm at rpm 250/1500-4200 231/4,100 This post has been edited by karyeowl: Mar 19 2012, 05:09 PM |
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QUOTE(xtjs @ Mar 19 2012, 03:17 PM) i am also just waiting for the camry to have a look and a test drive but as expected, the specs are not to0 good U'll still choose the Passat 1.8TSI despite its boring interior & exterior looks and lesser specs compared to say the Optima K5 at RM27K cheaper?so it all goes by the pricing..... else... passat is the choice This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Mar 19 2012, 05:14 PM |
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Mar 19 2012, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(michspc @ Mar 19 2012, 04:31 PM) but passat is not well known in Sarawak here , hardly can see any brand of that car here lol Bro, other people's opinions are just a guide, at the end of the day, you are paying the money and using the car, buy a car that you think will serve you well, reliable, good after sales and service at your area, and good resale value in the event when you are changing car in future. You will hear many asking you to venture into certain car brands (maybe conti, maybe sushi, maybe kimchi......), and many will say how good those cars are.... but how many of them really own those cars or will actually buy those cars.... pure saying is always easier than actually doing, especially when they are not the one who pay for the car. So a forum is a place for you to read about others' opinion, gather info, and finally make your own decision. Just my 2 cents. |
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Mar 19 2012, 08:04 PM
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QUOTE(JohnnyKoo @ Mar 19 2012, 07:08 PM) Seriously.. this all-new Camry looks too similar to the current Camry? We need some revolutionary changes from time to time. engine will be diffrent from the current model2012 Toyota Camry gallery |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 19 2012, 05:14 PM) U'll still choose the Passat 1.8TSI despite its boring interior & exterior looks and lesser specs compared to say the Optima K5 at RM27K cheaper? after all it is brand awareness. People go for passat because it is from VW. that's it.. regardless how awesome the K5 is, people will still assume it is a korean car. Similar comparison can apply to many other sectors, if you observe it well. |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 19 2012, 05:14 PM) U'll still choose the Passat 1.8TSI despite its boring interior & exterior looks and lesser specs compared to say the Optima K5 at RM27K cheaper? i have never considered a korean car.but i did drop by the showroom the other day and saw the k5....since the showroom was in the same row of Vw showroom...asked for test drive but the salesman said did not have any. what got with looks when we cant feel n experience the ride...? |
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QUOTE(ju146 @ Mar 19 2012, 08:18 PM) after all it is brand awareness. People go for passat because it is from VW. that's it.. regardless how awesome the K5 is, people will still assume it is a korean car. Bro, no need to assume, it is a Korean car......no doubt about it.Similar comparison can apply to many other sectors, if you observe it well. |
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[quote=michspc,Mar 19 2012, 02:49 PM]
[quote=Icehart,Mar 19 2012, 02:12 PM] But passat only 2.0 right? Seems underpower lol. Who knows the launching price will drop around 175k? [/quote] bro,go and have a test drive then you will know how powerful is the TSI engine+DSG gearbox. Can smoke most of the Japanese d segment car easily leh |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 15 2012, 09:05 AM) so price aside, i'm pretty sure the new camry would withstand an accident as well as your 2005 kangoo right? so safety wise, on par with what you are driving mah.. since final destination type scenarios dun care you sit in kangoo/xsara or 2012 camry right? The Kangoo and Xsara aren't particularly safe cars. They are for what we paid for them, and the Xsara should protect me better when someone crashes into the side of the car (someone did once, no injuries. Had to replace the door though, totally wasted), other than that I'd expect the Malaysian Camry to be safer. BUT you can get a lot safer cars for the Camry price... at least from what we expect so far. I mean... I take it you like the Camry? Would you still think it's a good car and there is nothing wrong with buying it were it priced at 500k? Or would you rather buy a Lexus, BMW or Mercedes?No VSC? So how can it have all you'd expect from a Passat? Besides the Passat can have adaptive suspension... press a button, it's comfy, press a button it's stiff and sporty. And the Passat has the next gen VSC. It has a radar guided cruise control, so it will drive as fast as the car in front of it. That car brakes, you brake, that car drives faster, you drive faster. The Passat parks itself, parallel parking and reverse too. It warns you when you leave the lane without indicating. It notices when you get tired and warns you. And many more. Toyota has all these features, but will they offer them? @0300078: Hm? What not true? I do hope the Camry will be every bit as good as the US one... it should be, considering the price. If the highest spec Camry has the sort of specs you'd get from a Mondeo or Passat, then it's worth considering. After all you get some benefits from driving a Toyota. I'm curious, but I don't see Toyota offering good value for money here. Those turbos (at least the ones from Ford and VW that I have driven) do have some lag... so under 2000 there is not much going on, then it shoots forward. Can be dangerous, but it's a big laugh to feel the turbo kick in. DSG is also very nice, however remember that it will still roll back when in D. I think it should have a hill start assist thing where you have to press the brakes hard, then the car applies the brakes until you touch the accelerator. It's different from a normal auto though. I trust VW more than Kia, for now, especially because of their SC. I'd also scratch that boring and replace it with elegant and not flashy. VWs are nice cars to sit in, and the design ages nicely, while flash can wear off fast and be outdated. The Kia cee'd I once drove also wasn't on par with the Golf which is in the same class, although it was not a bad car, not at all (only had it for a couple of days though). It was cheaper than the Golf, so it's worth considering, especially when on a budget. I simply expect the K5 to be like that. Not as good, but cheaper. Worth considering. |
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Mar 19 2012, 10:41 PM) The Kangoo and Xsara aren't particularly safe cars. They are for what we paid for them, and the Xsara should protect me better when someone crashes into the side of the car (someone did once, no injuries. Had to replace the door though, totally wasted), other than that I'd expect the Malaysian Camry to be safer. BUT you can get a lot safer cars for the Camry price... at least from what we expect so far. I mean... I take it you like the Camry? Would you still think it's a good car and there is nothing wrong with buying it were it priced at 500k? Or would you rather buy a Lexus, BMW or Mercedes? My not true is Camry is a total piece of dated garbage.....No VSC? So how can it have all you'd expect from a Passat? Besides the Passat can have adaptive suspension... press a button, it's comfy, press a button it's stiff and sporty. And the Passat has the next gen VSC. It has a radar guided cruise control, so it will drive as fast as the car in front of it. That car brakes, you brake, that car drives faster, you drive faster. The Passat parks itself, parallel parking and reverse too. It warns you when you leave the lane without indicating. It notices when you get tired and warns you. And many more. Toyota has all these features, but will they offer them? @0300078: Hm? What not true? I do hope the Camry will be every bit as good as the US one... it should be, considering the price. If the highest spec Camry has the sort of specs you'd get from a Mondeo or Passat, then it's worth considering. After all you get some benefits from driving a Toyota. I'm curious, but I don't see Toyota offering good value for money here. Those turbos (at least the ones from Ford and VW that I have driven) do have some lag... so under 2000 there is not much going on, then it shoots forward. Can be dangerous, but it's a big laugh to feel the turbo kick in. DSG is also very nice, however remember that it will still roll back when in D. I think it should have a hill start assist thing where you have to press the brakes hard, then the car applies the brakes until you touch the accelerator. It's different from a normal auto though. I trust VW more than Kia, for now, especially because of their SC. I'd also scratch that boring and replace it with elegant and not flashy. VWs are nice cars to sit in, and the design ages nicely, while flash can wear off fast and be outdated. The Kia cee'd I once drove also wasn't on par with the Golf which is in the same class, although it was not a bad car, not at all (only had it for a couple of days though). It was cheaper than the Golf, so it's worth considering, especially when on a budget. I simply expect the K5 to be like that. Not as good, but cheaper. Worth considering. Anyway among all the other D segment.... i personally prefer Ford Mondeo and Passat. |
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Mar 19 2012, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Mar 19 2012, 11:21 PM) Anyway among all the other D segment.... i personally prefer Ford Mondeo and Passat. BMW 5 series is D segment also |
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Mar 19 2012, 11:24 PM
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Mar 19 2012, 11:21 PM) BMW 5 series is D segment also those are seriously premium price D segment car....But if Toyota Mark X was make available in Malaysia (brand new non recond) and with the price range of camry then it will really be a good choice. |
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Mar 20 2012, 12:15 AM
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QUOTE(xtjs @ Mar 19 2012, 09:05 PM) i have never considered a korean car. You can test the car. But they arent gonna offer it to just anybody. U gotta be a serious buyer. Ive already tested the Optima about 5 or 6 times in KL and Ipoh. So if u want a test then look serious and push them for a test drive.but i did drop by the showroom the other day and saw the k5....since the showroom was in the same row of Vw showroom...asked for test drive but the salesman said did not have any. what got with looks when we cant feel n experience the ride...? |
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Mar 20 2012, 12:22 AM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Mar 19 2012, 11:21 PM) My not true is Camry is a total piece of dated garbage..... Really? I'm curious, which part of Camry makes you feel that it is a total piece of dated garbage? Anyway among all the other D segment.... i personally prefer Ford Mondeo and Passat. Toyota should really considering hire you as their chief designer. Wondering why garbage car are so popular? Maybe most Malaysians are not as smart....?? Added on March 20, 2012, 12:27 am QUOTE(0300078 @ Mar 19 2012, 11:24 PM) those are seriously premium price D segment car.... Bravo, great thought! I totally agree, if Toyota is sooo smart to sell different league/level cars with same price, it will be so nice rite?? But if Toyota Mark X was make available in Malaysia (brand new non recond) and with the price range of camry then it will really be a good choice. I also concur that, if BMW 5 series and Merc E class can be offered with the price range of a Camry, they are also great choice! Maybe they can be as good as Mondeo and Passat, or the great K5 perhaps...? This post has been edited by landlily98: Mar 20 2012, 12:27 AM |
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Mar 20 2012, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Mar 19 2012, 11:41 PM) ... Bro, donno u blur or i blur No VSC? So how can it have all you'd expect from a Passat? Besides the Passat can have adaptive suspension... press a button, it's comfy, press a button it's stiff and sporty. And the Passat has the next gen VSC. It has a radar guided cruise control, so it will drive as fast as the car in front of it. That car brakes, you brake, that car drives faster, you drive faster. The Passat parks itself, parallel parking and reverse too. It warns you when you leave the lane without indicating. It notices when you get tired and warns you. And many more. Toyota has all these features, but will they offer them? ... these features present at Passat cc or Passat? Do u know Passat cc & Passat are 2 different cars? |
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Mar 20 2012, 05:13 PM
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I drive CC up n down.. I donno it can park by it self..
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Mar 20 2012, 06:06 PM
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wah, all the hype in new camry, we all getting the same old 2.0 here. even the altis has better spec than the camry 2.0 G now. only camry is bigger and probably more comfortable and of course you pay more.
then again , looking at the thailand website. it seems that the focus is on the Camry hybrid rather than the 2.5 and 2.0G versions. they have 3 choices of hybrid. but what ever is it. it is still camry. the best selling car in the world. but maybe now no more. hehe. well hope they increase the price for every model, looking forward to it. Added on March 20, 2012, 6:12 pmhey, just realize something, i thought the current 2.4 has keyless smart entry liau, but this new 2.5G has no smart key entry. NO VAC, or VSC, 2.0G has no reverse sensor? betul kah? i think cannot follow thai spec liau, dont think it is accurate. Unless if it is true, i be damm!,,, toyota memang boleh! This post has been edited by sonyman: Mar 20 2012, 06:12 PM |
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Mar 20 2012, 06:45 PM
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definitely our spec and thai will be different. as thai highest spec will be the hybrid. but in msia we wont have hybrid for camry as our tax exemption for hybrid is below 2.0cc. thus our highest spec will be 2.5 petrol version. i assume keyless, vsc etc will be slot in for 2.5cc version.
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Mar 20 2012, 06:48 PM
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No reverse sensor? <--- is this a JOKE?
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Mar 21 2012, 06:21 PM
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To me, this so call all new Camry isn't really all new after all, it is using back the same chasis and platform, same engine for 2.0 version and also same gearbox for 2.0 version, the slightly obvious changes are for the 2.5 version, different engine and different gearbox and that's all, nothing special. when compare to the new Camry with the current gen, I found the current gen is much newer in outlook design, the new one really cannot be called new when the look is already the most outdated one when compare to Sonata, Accord, Teana, Mondeo, Passat, K5.... and even the current gen. So should we call this a "facelift" rather than "all new"?
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Mar 21 2012, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Mar 21 2012, 06:21 PM) To me, this so call all new Camry isn't really all new after all, it is using back the same chasis and platform, same engine for 2.0 version and also same gearbox for 2.0 version, the slightly obvious changes are for the 2.5 version, different engine and different gearbox and that's all, nothing special. when compare to the new Camry with the current gen, I found the current gen is much newer in outlook design, the new one really cannot be called new when the look is already the most outdated one when compare to Sonata, Accord, Teana, Mondeo, Passat, K5.... and even the current gen. So should we call this a "facelift" rather than "all new"? talking about spec....just admit that you are going for the look...and actually the new one kinda look like lexus bro...they admitted that they recycled some unused lexus design to fit in to this model...just wait for the actual launch in malaysia la...the chassis retuned and the gearbox is diff la....'the gearbox features flexible logic for torque converter lock-up that can allow the converter to provide some slip to no slip at all, depending on the situation.'....search online...even the suspension is done up to fit our world best quality road..  ..and those of other countries of course....handling aren't the best la but consider one of the better one in class if you search more for the review....definitely better than k5 and sonata lo...korean cars still not that level yet man...just like japanese...still catching up with the german after so long...and if you really know how to test it of course....i found that many know how to talk but know nuts about car performance...camry is not a car for wow....toyota pass the job to toyota markX....if you check their japanese website....the 2012 version target is to make ppl feeling as bringing their living room to the car...that was their intention...and what most of the camry buyers wanted.... however have to admit that malaysia version is damn low spec....that's why i never look at one...lol....what to do....we are poor country....why are we getting poorer? |
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Mar 21 2012, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(jaymansion @ Mar 21 2012, 06:50 PM) talking about spec....just admit that you are going for the look...and actually the new one kinda look like lexus bro...they admitted that they recycled some unused lexus design to fit in to this model...just wait for the actual launch in malaysia la...the chassis retuned and the gearbox is diff la....'the gearbox features flexible logic for torque converter lock-up that can allow the converter to provide some slip to no slip at all, depending on the situation.'....search online...even the suspension is done up to fit our world best quality road.. If i'm not mistaken, the Camry is using the cheaper dual link rear suspension, while all other D-segment vehicle already using Multi-link rear suspension. So somehow felt that Toyota is abit stingy when designing the car, I personally have driven the Camry a lot of time and I found the handling is the worse among D-segment cars, but no doubt, it is also quite comfortable to drive, but when driving fast on highway, the floaty feeling is quite scary as well. ..and those of other countries of course....handling aren't the best la but consider one of the better one in class if you search more for the review....definitely better than k5 and sonata lo...korean cars still not that level yet man...just like japanese...still catching up with the german after so long...and if you really know how to test it of course....i found that many know how to talk but know nuts about car performance...camry is not a car for wow....toyota pass the job to toyota markX....if you check their japanese website....the 2012 version target is to make ppl feeling as bringing their living room to the car...that was their intention...and what most of the camry buyers wanted.... however have to admit that malaysia version is damn low spec....that's why i never look at one...lol....what to do....we are poor country....why are we getting poorer? |
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Mar 21 2012, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Mar 21 2012, 07:20 PM) If i'm not mistaken, the Camry is using the cheaper dual link rear suspension, while all other D-segment vehicle already using Multi-link rear suspension. So somehow felt that Toyota is abit stingy when designing the car, I personally have driven the Camry a lot of time and I found the handling is the worse among D-segment cars, but no doubt, it is also quite comfortable to drive, but when driving fast on highway, the floaty feeling is quite scary as well. err...dual link suspension = multilink suspension bro.... guess you're talking about torsion beam suspension? symbol of toyota ma....durability....what's the main advantages of torsion beam suspension? 1.higher durability 2.easier for manufacturer to tune 3.require less room space->contributing more interior space disadvantages = handling how to improve?use better quality bars....lol.... multilink suspension advantage = better handling disadvantages = hard to tune by manufacturer and eating up room space... if it's so easy to tune Lotus won't be famous for their handling.... however most non performance cars using multilink suspension the are on solid axle...not the independent multilink system...marketing gimmicks.... This post has been edited by jaymansion: Mar 21 2012, 07:55 PM |
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Mar 21 2012, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Mar 20 2012, 12:22 AM) Really? I'm curious, which part of Camry makes you feel that it is a total piece of dated garbage? Malaysians go after resale value, reliability and image. Those things are great (or perceived to be great) with Toyotas.Toyota should really considering hire you as their chief designer. Wondering why garbage car are so popular? Maybe most Malaysians are not as smart....?? Added on March 20, 2012, 12:27 am Bravo, great thought! I totally agree, if Toyota is sooo smart to sell different league/level cars with same price, it will be so nice rite?? I also concur that, if BMW 5 series and Merc E class can be offered with the price range of a Camry, they are also great choice! Maybe they can be as good as Mondeo and Passat, or the great K5 perhaps...? The car itself can't compete with the continental competition, even though it is better spec'ed (and generally better) car in Europe (as the Avensis) it does just ok. In America it does great, but I guess mostly because there the Camry comes with all the bells and whistles and safety features (+ very good crash test results) you'd expect AND it is competitively priced. Unfortunately the Malaysian Camry is anything but all of that. I checked what is possible on the regular Passat, however those features may not be available here, so I admit it is a bit unfair. In other countries the Camry is a better car, too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SATcfmH1fY&feature=related (You may want to skip ahead to get all the camera angles) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzKhBHtAV3w&feature=related (How it looks like sitting inside the car) |
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Mar 22 2012, 01:22 AM
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Mar 21 2012, 10:47 PM) Malaysians go after resale value, reliability and image. Those things are great (or perceived to be great) with Toyotas. Thanks bro for all the effort of explaining to me about the controversy. Really appreciate it. Indeed what you had mentioned is unbiased and more rational. The car itself can't compete with the continental competition, even though it is better spec'ed (and generally better) car in Europe (as the Avensis) it does just ok. In America it does great, but I guess mostly because there the Camry comes with all the bells and whistles and safety features (+ very good crash test results) you'd expect AND it is competitively priced. Unfortunately the Malaysian Camry is anything but all of that. I checked what is possible on the regular Passat, however those features may not be available here, so I admit it is a bit unfair. In other countries the Camry is a better car, too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SATcfmH1fY&feature=related (You may want to skip ahead to get all the camera angles) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzKhBHtAV3w&feature=related (How it looks like sitting inside the car) I do understand that BMW 5 and Merc E are not in the same league with Camry..... the reason I compared them was because someone was hoping Mark X to be sold same price as Camry.... LOL..... I do hope that Panamera can be sold as Camry's price, and it will make all other D segments in the market looked like garbage, rite? So using lung tissue to speak rather than using brain tissue is at times very entertaining.... I was just amused by some of the 'talented' replies by others who described Camry as a 'piece of outdated garbage'.... hahahaha! Thus I am very confused, why so many people buying garbage car, not only in Malaysia, but other countries as well?? wheres those brilliant exciting cars (like Mondeo) are so rare on the road.... something is not right here.... either the majority who buy garbage car are mentally not rite, or the minority who knows about cars are errr.....nevermind..... I dunno...... Besides, what's the biggest joke of those know-very-much-about-car people, they keep persuading others to buy car brands which are so rare on the roads, and only god knows whether they will actually buy one themselves with their hard earned money. You may also see certain people keep persuading others to join them pursuing car brands that are still having not so impressive track record, perhaps hoping that in future if anything unwanted event happen to their cars, it will be easier to find victims for group therapy session..... People, what's wrong of buying a car who provide you comfort ride, reliability, resale value, after sales service, peace of mind etc.... with someone's own money??? not everyone is chasing the best handling car, multilink suspension, double wish bone, turbo, top speed, high speed turning capability..... if these things are so important, please, by all means, go and get a Lambo, Ferrari, or Porsche.... you shouldn't buy a 'family' sedan. Everyone has his/her priority, no need to condemn others just because they prefer uncle's car/garbage car, rather than joining the clever folks buying Mondeo, K5.....etc Added on March 22, 2012, 1:47 am QUOTE(jaymansion @ Mar 21 2012, 06:50 PM) talking about spec....just admit that you are going for the look...and actually the new one kinda look like lexus bro...they admitted that they recycled some unused lexus design to fit in to this model...just wait for the actual launch in malaysia la...the chassis retuned and the gearbox is diff la....'the gearbox features flexible logic for torque converter lock-up that can allow the converter to provide some slip to no slip at all, depending on the situation.'....search online...even the suspension is done up to fit our world best quality road.. ..and those of other countries of course....handling aren't the best la but consider one of the better one in class if you search more for the review....definitely better than k5 and sonata lo...korean cars still not that level yet man...just like japanese...still catching up with the german after so long...and if you really know how to test it of course....i found that many know how to talk but know nuts about car performance...camry is not a car for wow....toyota pass the job to toyota markX....if you check their japanese website....the 2012 version target is to make ppl feeling as bringing their living room to the car...that was their intention...and what most of the camry buyers wanted.... however have to admit that malaysia version is damn low spec....that's why i never look at one...lol....what to do....we are poor country....why are we getting poorer? QUOTE(jaymansion @ Mar 21 2012, 07:54 PM) err...dual link suspension = multilink suspension bro.... Bro, very well said.... very well said........!!! guess you're talking about torsion beam suspension? symbol of toyota ma....durability....what's the main advantages of torsion beam suspension? 1.higher durability 2.easier for manufacturer to tune 3.require less room space->contributing more interior space disadvantages = handling how to improve?use better quality bars....lol.... multilink suspension advantage = better handling disadvantages = hard to tune by manufacturer and eating up room space... if it's so easy to tune Lotus won't be famous for their handling.... however most non performance cars using multilink suspension the are on solid axle...not the independent multilink system...marketing gimmicks.... This post has been edited by landlily98: Mar 22 2012, 01:47 AM |
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Mar 22 2012, 07:38 AM
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^ sry if what i said earlier up there regarding camry was a dated garbage.... just expressing the disappointment of hearing that the 2.0 model is just another facelifted version of an already 10 year old engine and gear box.....
maybe to somebody it is nothing but spending money like 140-150k for tat old technology isnt really worth it. But if u r mentioning the 2.4 than it is a much different story (though it is introduce also at xv30 camry model). And the new Camry 2.5 is gonna used Dual VVTI and new gear box. As for Mark x overseas just using the china new car price (in china there are known as Toyota Reiz), there are selling it at roughly RM102k for the lowest spec new car while the Camry 2.0G specs over there is roughly 100k+- (but this comparison is unfair lah i know, Since Malaysia has those AP and tax thingy Mark X not gonna be sell at that price here)... i just express it out earlier becoz i feel that we are treated serious unfair, and some country are selling mark x and camry sight by sight with the price tag so near i dun think why we cant compare both of them. This post has been edited by 300078: Mar 22 2012, 07:51 AM |
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Mar 22 2012, 08:41 AM
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Here also have mark x mah.... But the skin already change and the badge is Lexus... Lol
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Mar 22 2012, 09:21 AM
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Mar 21 2012, 10:47 PM) Malaysians go after resale value, reliability and image. Those things are great (or perceived to be great) with Toyotas. i think the reason japanese car is selling well in US is because they are relatively cheaper to buy/run/maintain comparing with european car, and US doesnt really use Diesel so economic european car cant really grab a market there. The car itself can't compete with the continental competition, even though it is better spec'ed (and generally better) car in Europe (as the Avensis) it does just ok. In America it does great, but I guess mostly because there the Camry comes with all the bells and whistles and safety features (+ very good crash test results) you'd expect AND it is competitively priced. Unfortunately the Malaysian Camry is anything but all of that. I checked what is possible on the regular Passat, however those features may not be available here, so I admit it is a bit unfair. In other countries the Camry is a better car, too. Premium european car are doing pretty well though. Bimmer, range rover,Mercs. look at peugeot, until now their product is not reliable enough(i guess), so they still not going to go to US market. Lemon law is no joke. |
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Mar 22 2012, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Mar 22 2012, 09:21 AM) i think the reason japanese car is selling well in US is because they are relatively cheaper to buy/run/maintain comparing with european car, and US doesnt really use Diesel so economic european car cant really grab a market there. The American buying thing very toward practical.... As long as the product is good/reliable they will buy... They don't really care what what brand... 10 years ago... Fuel price going high, Toyota gain the momentum of their car in the us.... Now.. Trend going toward Korean...... Premium european car are doing pretty well though. Bimmer, range rover,Mercs. look at peugeot, until now their product is not reliable enough(i guess), so they still not going to go to US market. Lemon law is no joke. |
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Mar 22 2012, 11:26 AM
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QUOTE(300078 @ Mar 22 2012, 07:38 AM) ^ sry if what i said earlier up there regarding camry was a dated garbage.... just expressing the disappointment of hearing that the 2.0 model is just another facelifted version of an already 10 year old engine and gear box..... Please pardon my ignorance and naivety...... maybe to somebody it is nothing but spending money like 140-150k for tat old technology isnt really worth it. But if u r mentioning the 2.4 than it is a much different story (though it is introduce also at xv30 camry model). And the new Camry 2.5 is gonna used Dual VVTI and new gear box. As for Mark x overseas just using the china new car price (in china there are known as Toyota Reiz), there are selling it at roughly RM102k for the lowest spec new car while the Camry 2.0G specs over there is roughly 100k+- (but this comparison is unfair lah i know, Since Malaysia has those AP and tax thingy Mark X not gonna be sell at that price here)... i just express it out earlier becoz i feel that we are treated serious unfair, and some country are selling mark x and camry sight by sight with the price tag so near i dun think why we cant compare both of them. A brand new Mark X selling at similar pricing with a brand new Camry in a few countries?? Wow, it's a great news! Cause i always thought Mark X is higher league than Camry in terms of vehicle status...? Would you kindly enlighten me which countries are they? I'm very keen to know, sincerely. As far as I know with my limited knowledge, in Malaysia, under the current tax structure, a brand new Mark X will never be sold at the similar price like a brand new Camry, simply because, one will be CBU, and one is CKD, (without even considering the vehicle status), so comparing them as rivals in Malaysia is as good as hopping a Porsche selling at Toyota's price. |
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Mar 22 2012, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Mar 22 2012, 11:26 AM) Please pardon my ignorance and naivety...... he is talking about high spec Camry vs a lowest spec Mark X....A brand new Mark X selling at similar pricing with a brand new Camry in a few countries?? Wow, it's a great news! Cause i always thought Mark X is higher league than Camry in terms of vehicle status...? Would you kindly enlighten me which countries are they? I'm very keen to know, sincerely. As far as I know with my limited knowledge, in Malaysia, under the current tax structure, a brand new Mark X will never be sold at the similar price like a brand new Camry, simply because, one will be CBU, and one is CKD, (without even considering the vehicle status), so comparing them as rivals in Malaysia is as good as hopping a Porsche selling at Toyota's price. |
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Mar 22 2012, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 22 2012, 11:29 AM) he is talking about high spec Camry vs a lowest spec Mark X.... Yes bro, and this will effectively make Mark X become another outdated garbage as well? no???? it's exactly what is happening now, they are comparing higher spec-ed rivals to lower spec-ed Camry... of course the rivals need to be sold at lower price, they don't have the brand image. Who will buy if they are selling their cars at the same price point or higher price point??? Probably my IQ is too low to understand..... |
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Mar 22 2012, 11:46 AM
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hope the new camry local CKD quality is good like the acv30 and not like that current acv40 which assemble in thais... drove for 2 years... front wheel bearing? replaced.. rear spring?? replaced... i think u guys dunno that the rear spring starting to collapse after just 1 year without carrying goods in the boot...
Thais made camry are actually worst den malaysian made.... coz i drove the malaysian made acv 30 for like 2 years b4 changing to the new 1... PS: I only compare the quality not the performance.. u can throw this car away if u want to compare performance. |
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Mar 22 2012, 12:01 PM
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CKD Camry better than Tomyam land, I think we have to pray hard.
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Mar 22 2012, 12:08 PM
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for the coming new camry... no 1 knows... but compare to the acv 30 and 40.. ppl who own it will know very well
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Mar 22 2012, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Mar 22 2012, 11:26 AM) Please pardon my ignorance and naivety...... A brand new Mark X selling at similar pricing with a brand new Camry in a few countries?? Wow, it's a great news! Cause i always thought Mark X is higher league than Camry in terms of vehicle status...? Would you kindly enlighten me which countries are they? I'm very keen to know, sincerely. As far as I know with my limited knowledge, in Malaysia, under the current tax structure, a brand new Mark X will never be sold at the similar price like a brand new Camry, simply because, one will be CBU, and one is CKD, (without even considering the vehicle status), so comparing them as rivals in Malaysia is as good as hopping a Porsche selling at Toyota's price. QUOTE(landlily98 @ Mar 22 2012, 11:40 AM) Yes bro, and this will effectively make Mark X become another outdated garbage as well? no???? it's exactly what is happening now, they are comparing higher spec-ed rivals to lower spec-ed Camry... of course the rivals need to be sold at lower price, they don't have the brand image. Who will buy if they are selling their cars at the same price point or higher price point??? Probably my IQ is too low to understand..... http://www.ftms.com.cn/vehicles/reiz/price.phpthe above link have the official price of Mark X frm lowest spec to highest spec. http://www.autohome.com.cn/110/ In china there are the same. High Spec Camry is selling also roughly the same price as those 2.5cc Mark X. And another u should get things clear off. I said Camry 2.0 is dated becoz the thing is the technology in it is really dated (10 year old tech). U do not need to compare it to any other brand or car, it already is a old engine and gearbox in a new cassing only. |
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Mar 22 2012, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Mar 22 2012, 12:31 PM) http://www.ftms.com.cn/vehicles/reiz/price.php ya sure, China is one good example, no doubt about it, using the lowest spec Marx rival the high specs Camry, good example indeed! And China is such a unique country where local brands can sell cars look so much like Japs/conti with only half the price..... well, I have to agree that you use China as an example is simply astonishing! Bravo! the above link have the official price of Mark X frm lowest spec to highest spec. http://www.autohome.com.cn/110/ In china there are the same. High Spec Camry is selling also roughly the same price as those 2.5cc Mark X. And another u should get things clear off. I said Camry 2.0 is dated becoz the thing is the technology in it is really dated (10 year old tech). U do not need to compare it to any other brand or car, it already is a old engine and gearbox in a new cassing only. Any other countries? coz you mentioned there are 'some' countries. IMHO, to find examples better use those countries with similar Malaysia setting. eg like Thailand, Indon, Taiwan, where only CKD Camry, CBU Mark X, or Singapore, Brunei, both CBU, if Mark X selling at the same price like Camry, and most people still buy Camry, I would have to agree that those people mentally may not be too sound. With your logic and reasoning, this will also make BMW cars using N52 engines considered relatively 'dated garbage', N52 debuted in 2004, continue using until 2011, in Malaysia even up to now....then slowly will be replaced by N20 from this year onwards.... a BMW 'premium' car use this good-8-year old tech??? or shall I say 'premium dated garbage???? Look at Lotus, how long Elise is out there with the same old design? garbage, garbage..... shall I continue to Merc, Porsche 911 line up, Rolls Royce, Maybach.... how long these car brands had used their proven design for an extended period of time throughout their production history? Anyway, to cut short the story, those who wants to buy Mondeo, pls do so. Make Sime Darby and Ford happy! Those who doesn't lile Camry, please don't buy but kindly respect other's choice. This post has been edited by landlily98: Mar 22 2012, 01:55 PM |
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Mar 22 2012, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Mar 21 2012, 11:47 PM) ... OMG .. ur beloved VW also follow UMW path,by under-spec Passat here,even if CBU ?! I checked what is possible on the regular Passat, however those features may not be available here, so I admit it is a bit unfair. In other countries the Camry is a better car, too. ... So UMW is not alone after all ??! |
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Mar 22 2012, 05:18 PM
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orang cakap current Camry big discount oh.. betul keh tu?
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Mar 22 2012, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 22 2012, 05:18 PM) orang cakap current Camry big discount oh.. betul keh tu? RM11K for 2012 Model... I think 95% Gone |
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Mar 22 2012, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(Jim.tan @ Mar 22 2012, 05:19 PM) RM11K for 2012 Model... I think 95% Gone wat is the current price like huh bro? thanks |
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Mar 22 2012, 05:40 PM
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Any idea when the new Camry's launching date is? Now March already almost gone.
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Mar 22 2012, 06:35 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Mar 22 2012, 05:18 PM) orang cakap current Camry big discount oh.. betul keh tu? Yea big discount, My friend's father just bought the camry with 10k discounted price. |
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Mar 22 2012, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE(eng98 @ Mar 22 2012, 12:08 PM) for the coming new camry... no 1 knows... but compare to the acv 30 and 40.. ppl who own it will know very well Are you sure about it ?? What I know, current ACV 4X camry from thai punya quality/finishing much better than acv3X which was CKD here Maybe your acv40 is just an unlucky case?? This post has been edited by jason1818: Mar 22 2012, 08:07 PM |
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Mar 22 2012, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE(Area51SE @ Mar 22 2012, 06:35 PM) Yea big discount, My friend's father just bought the camry with 10k discounted price. The best discount currently is RM11K which is being offered in the Klang Valley. But seems like all remaining stock has finished. |
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Mar 23 2012, 07:04 AM
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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Mar 22 2012, 01:41 PM) ya sure, China is one good example, no doubt about it, using the lowest spec Marx rival the high specs Camry, good example indeed! And China is such a unique country where local brands can sell cars look so much like Japs/conti with only half the price..... well, I have to agree that you use China as an example is simply astonishing! Bravo! U also know lah ppl used up to 8 year tech then replace mah. Camry one already 10 year now still used it back in the newer version so they gonna used it for another 5 year with this new look.Any other countries? coz you mentioned there are 'some' countries. IMHO, to find examples better use those countries with similar Malaysia setting. eg like Thailand, Indon, Taiwan, where only CKD Camry, CBU Mark X, or Singapore, Brunei, both CBU, if Mark X selling at the same price like Camry, and most people still buy Camry, I would have to agree that those people mentally may not be too sound. With your logic and reasoning, this will also make BMW cars using N52 engines considered relatively 'dated garbage', N52 debuted in 2004, continue using until 2011, in Malaysia even up to now....then slowly will be replaced by N20 from this year onwards.... a BMW 'premium' car use this good-8-year old tech??? or shall I say 'premium dated garbage???? Look at Lotus, how long Elise is out there with the same old design? garbage, garbage..... shall I continue to Merc, Porsche 911 line up, Rolls Royce, Maybach.... how long these car brands had used their proven design for an extended period of time throughout their production history? Anyway, to cut short the story, those who wants to buy Mondeo, pls do so. Make Sime Darby and Ford happy! Those who doesn't lile Camry, please don't buy but kindly respect other's choice. |
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Mar 23 2012, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE(jason1818 @ Mar 22 2012, 08:06 PM) Are you sure about it ?? really? i comparing 1 pre facelift n facelifted acv40 with the facelifted acv30... fitting and material wise... acv30 is much better... the sound proofing is much better too in acv30.. What I know, current ACV 4X camry from thai punya quality/finishing much better than acv3X which was CKD here Maybe your acv40 is just an unlucky case?? |
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Mar 23 2012, 10:31 AM
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eng98
These are 2 different generations of Camry you are referring. Some never models maybe under going cost-cutting, newer environmental friendly materials etc which made the older model "behaved" better. I believe the Tomyam land Camry are supplied to MY, SG and Down-under. The other two countries have better requirement and more stringent regulations than MY. I strongly believe Tomyam land assembly is more reliable than our Bolehland, maybe due to workers' attitude. Ask some of friends who drive Honda that are assembled in MY about the Honda quality..... |
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Mar 23 2012, 12:44 PM
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i thought they will launch in march 2012?
now gotta wait till june. some SA pushing me to make downpayment. telling me the booking is piling up. but after hearing all this, i think it is better to see the physical car prior to making any decisions,. |
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Mar 23 2012, 01:50 PM
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http://www.livelifedrive.com/malaysia/news...mw-toyota-motor
from the link about it says that the new camry will be launced by this march lol....but now its nearly last week of march lol |
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Mar 23 2012, 04:09 PM
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QUOTE(jaymansion @ Mar 21 2012, 07:54 PM) err...dual link suspension = multilink suspension bro.... Dude, Honda Accord, Nissan Teana, Sonata... all are using independent Multi-link suspension, and the Toyota Dual-link suspension is totally different from the Torsion beam lar. the Toyota Dual-link is almost identical to those multi-link suspension, just it is much simple with only double link on the suspension (easier to design and much lower cost than multi-link), and dual-link is able to adjust the wheel alignment while the torsion beam is fixed, you can't do any wheel alignment on it. guess you're talking about torsion beam suspension? symbol of toyota ma....durability....what's the main advantages of torsion beam suspension? 1.higher durability 2.easier for manufacturer to tune 3.require less room space->contributing more interior space disadvantages = handling how to improve?use better quality bars....lol.... multilink suspension advantage = better handling disadvantages = hard to tune by manufacturer and eating up room space... if it's so easy to tune Lotus won't be famous for their handling.... however most non performance cars using multilink suspension the are on solid axle...not the independent multilink system...marketing gimmicks.... |
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Mar 23 2012, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Mar 23 2012, 07:04 AM) U also know lah ppl used up to 8 year tech then replace mah. Camry one already 10 year now still used it back in the newer version so they gonna used it for another 5 year with this new look. Yes, you are absolutely right, I can't agree with you more, Toyota is bad for you and your wallet, not good....not good...., please do yourself a big favor, stay away from this up-coming 10 year-old-low-tech-garbage, buy Mondeo, would be better for you and your wallet. Make Sime Darby proud ya?This post has been edited by landlily98: Mar 23 2012, 07:21 PM |
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Mar 24 2012, 12:25 AM
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QUOTE(Gary @ Mar 23 2012, 12:44 PM) i thought they will launch in march 2012? If you are big fans of Toyota Camry and planning to buy 1, please pay down payment right now. My friend is working in the Toyota showroom and he told me that all the Toyota showrooms are piling up with the new camry booking regardless of any specs provided by UMW. The waiting time for new camry could take up weeks or months after launching. One of the reason is because they do not have any existing camry stock left after recent clear stock offer. New camry launching should be within weeks time.now gotta wait till june. some SA pushing me to make downpayment. telling me the booking is piling up. but after hearing all this, i think it is better to see the physical car prior to making any decisions,. |
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Mar 26 2012, 01:21 AM
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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Mar 22 2012, 01:22 AM) Thanks bro for all the effort of explaining to me about the controversy. Really appreciate it. Indeed what you had mentioned is unbiased and more rational. Well, I drive French cars, although I'd seriously consider a Ford. Actually I hope to get to drive a new Focus Turnier soon...I do understand that BMW 5 and Merc E are not in the same league with Camry..... the reason I compared them was because someone was hoping Mark X to be sold same price as Camry.... LOL..... I do hope that Panamera can be sold as Camry's price, and it will make all other D segments in the market looked like garbage, rite? So using lung tissue to speak rather than using brain tissue is at times very entertaining.... I was just amused by some of the 'talented' replies by others who described Camry as a 'piece of outdated garbage'.... hahahaha! Thus I am very confused, why so many people buying garbage car, not only in Malaysia, but other countries as well?? wheres those brilliant exciting cars (like Mondeo) are so rare on the road.... something is not right here.... either the majority who buy garbage car are mentally not rite, or the minority who knows about cars are errr.....nevermind..... I dunno...... Besides, what's the biggest joke of those know-very-much-about-car people, they keep persuading others to buy car brands which are so rare on the roads, and only god knows whether they will actually buy one themselves with their hard earned money. You may also see certain people keep persuading others to join them pursuing car brands that are still having not so impressive track record, perhaps hoping that in future if anything unwanted event happen to their cars, it will be easier to find victims for group therapy session..... People, what's wrong of buying a car who provide you comfort ride, reliability, resale value, after sales service, peace of mind etc.... with someone's own money??? not everyone is chasing the best handling car, multilink suspension, double wish bone, turbo, top speed, high speed turning capability..... if these things are so important, please, by all means, go and get a Lambo, Ferrari, or Porsche.... you shouldn't buy a 'family' sedan. Everyone has his/her priority, no need to condemn others just because they prefer uncle's car/garbage car, rather than joining the clever folks buying Mondeo, K5.....etc Added on March 22, 2012, 1:47 am Bro, very well said.... very well said........!!! I think people call the Camry garbage because over here Toyota tries to rip us off. They sell truly outdated cars at premium prices, and worst of all people are actually buying them. And why do you need to buy a Ferrari when you want good handling? A proper sedan can give you good handling too, combined with a good, relatively comfortable ride. What I don't like is this buy sell buy sell buy sell mentality. To me that says you are buying something that isn't good, so you try to get rid of it soon to get something better. Well... why don't you buy something better in the first place then (as there are some in the same price range)? You could drive a new Kancil/Viva every year. Or you buy a better car in the first place and keep it a while. In the end if you go for the Viva you'll still just have a Viva, even if it is the latest generation it still won't be as good as the decent car you could have bought many years ago. I do agree that after sales service is important, that's the reason why I wouldn't buy any computer but a Dell (unless I build it myself). Peace of mind and reliability... yes, not that unimportant perhaps, but Toyota seems a bit overrated. If you want outdated tech... spend maybe 100k on a few year old conti, put the remaining 50k on a bank to pay for repairs (likely not to be used up, but even if, that's what that account is for). Get to drive a better, but just as modern/outdated car. QUOTE Yes bro, and this will effectively make Mark X become another outdated garbage as well? no???? it's exactly what is happening now, they are comparing higher spec-ed rivals to lower spec-ed Camry... of course the rivals need to be sold at lower price, they don't have the brand image. Who will buy if they are selling their cars at the same price point or higher price point??? Probably my IQ is too low to understand..... So you are paying just for the brand? Great. I'll take the off-brand one then, especially since Ford and VW are rather experienced in making cars. @eng98: So many problems after less than 2 years?! Why exactly is Toyota having a good image?! @sct: I'm not a big VW fan. I don't like their clutches, I think the ride is too uncomfortable. The engines and DSG are nice though, safety is good (as good as overseas Toyotas), build quality is decent, even if the QC is a bit... shoddy. But underspec Passat? No, they do not offer everything that is possible. But the Camry has a torque converter gearbox... 4 speed some more? Those were modern... 30 years ago. The world has moved on, the Passat uses a 7 speed DSG. Traction control and ESP (VSC for Toyota) are missing from the Toyota, features that are a standard in some B segment cars. 6 airbags (mh... 4, but cover the area of 6), again missing from the Camry it seems, again standard on at least one B segment car. 8 Auto adjusting bi xenon with curve lights on the Camry? The Camry tech was old 10 years ago. Now it is prehistoric. The new Yaris (Vios hatch) in Europe is much more modern than the Camry 2.0. I mean... what the ...? The only good thing about all of this is that any SC will know how to deal with the car. They are used to it anyway. This post has been edited by kadajawi: Mar 26 2012, 01:23 AM |
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Mar 26 2012, 09:13 AM
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Is it true that UMW is now clearing the 2.4 Camry (2011) at approx RM15x K?
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Mar 26 2012, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Mar 22 2012, 01:41 PM) ya sure, China is one good example, no doubt about it, using the lowest spec Marx rival the high specs Camry, good example indeed! And China is such a unique country where local brands can sell cars look so much like Japs/conti with only half the price..... well, I have to agree that you use China as an example is simply astonishing! Bravo! Mercs, Porsches and Rolls use the old designs because they are ICONIC.. hardly can say that about a camry.. Any other countries? coz you mentioned there are 'some' countries. IMHO, to find examples better use those countries with similar Malaysia setting. eg like Thailand, Indon, Taiwan, where only CKD Camry, CBU Mark X, or Singapore, Brunei, both CBU, if Mark X selling at the same price like Camry, and most people still buy Camry, I would have to agree that those people mentally may not be too sound. With your logic and reasoning, this will also make BMW cars using N52 engines considered relatively 'dated garbage', N52 debuted in 2004, continue using until 2011, in Malaysia even up to now....then slowly will be replaced by N20 from this year onwards.... a BMW 'premium' car use this good-8-year old tech??? or shall I say 'premium dated garbage???? Look at Lotus, how long Elise is out there with the same old design? garbage, garbage..... shall I continue to Merc, Porsche 911 line up, Rolls Royce, Maybach.... how long these car brands had used their proven design for an extended period of time throughout their production history? Anyway, to cut short the story, those who wants to buy Mondeo, pls do so. Make Sime Darby and Ford happy! Those who doesn't lile Camry, please don't buy but kindly respect other's choice. and they at least have direct injection and turbochargers, dual clutch gearboxes and all those safety features in their lowest marques hell even proton has them now, so why shouldnt toyota at least respect the driving community of Malaysia and give us what our money's worth |
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Mar 26 2012, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Mar 26 2012, 01:21 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(jw_92 @ Mar 26 2012, 09:22 AM) Mercs, Porsches and Rolls use the old designs because they are ICONIC.. hardly can say that about a camry.. You know what's called double standard? For RR, Porsche, Merc if they use old design it is forgivable, understandable just because they are iconic? If Toyota use, then is garbage, because it is not iconic enough to do so? again because the brand..... Why you don't condemn RR, Porsche, Merc for using old tech but still selling at high price point and ripping off people's money? and they at least have direct injection and turbochargers, dual clutch gearboxes and all those safety features in their lowest marques hell even proton has them now, so why shouldnt toyota at least respect the driving community of Malaysia and give us what our money's worth Of course, I totally agree that Toyota should provide the latest tech, fully loaded specs cars to us (and continue to offer at similar price point, better, lower price point ya?), and by doing that, the price will definitely hike to a higher point, so who will still buy if Toyota's price is near to a premium Conti car? Even it may offer same level of tech? Again this will be the brand effect again. Anyway, I don't intend to continue the issue as these are all 'chicken and egg' types of topics, everyone has his/her priority, those who think Toyota is garbage, just shy away from this brand, there are so many non-garbage brands out there to choose. Cheers! This post has been edited by landlily98: Mar 26 2012, 11:02 AM |
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Mar 26 2012, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Mar 26 2012, 11:08 AM) Anyway, I don't intend to continue the issue as these are all 'chicken and egg' types of topics, everyone has his/her priority, those who think Toyota is garbage, just shy away from this brand, there are so many non-garbage brands out there to choose. true that bro. +10000. personally, i have nothing against other car makers (except proton maybe) but come on, 'they' act like whatever 'they' bought are better than the rest of the world.Cheers!  This post has been edited by Kalist0: Mar 26 2012, 10:29 AM |
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Mar 26 2012, 12:13 PM
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the Camry 2.0 deserve an update..... at least to something like Altis 2.0v 3ZR-FE and not retain the 10 year old 1AZ-FE.
But this argument cannot continue on loh.... so u like u buy loh. I will be keeping an eye on the 2.5 version which is a much newer and better spec camry. |
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Mar 26 2012, 12:42 PM
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The 1AZ-FE has been used for the last 2 generations of Camry, so if this new gen Camry still using this engine, that's mean 3 gen already. And Toyota actually also facing a lot of problem in those less brand-oriented market such as China, heard the new Camry the first month sales also not really good, only around 15K units, while the 2nd month the sales dropped to around 12K++ units, so this months, the third month, they estimate the sales will be even worse, seem like Toyota have to get the FL as soon as possible.
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Mar 26 2012, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE(Kalist0 @ Mar 26 2012, 10:29 AM) true that bro. +10000. personally, i have nothing against other car makers (except proton maybe) but come on, 'they' act like whatever 'they' bought are better than the rest of the world. When you buy the same kind of egg for rm1 and rm5 of course there is a difference, value for money. Not everybody is as rich as you. |
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Mar 26 2012, 01:26 PM
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the head lamp like batman
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Mar 26 2012, 02:55 PM
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From Toyota sales person's info: new Camry will launch on 3rd quarter 2012, is that true??
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Mar 26 2012, 03:20 PM
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Japanese car having problem is not new.. not news at all... ...
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Mar 26 2012, 04:59 PM
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Guy, latest news from my friend who work in Toyota assembly plant!! 7th Generation Camry 2.0 in Malaysia will use back the same engine and transmission.
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Mar 26 2012, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE(assange @ Mar 26 2012, 04:59 PM) Guy, latest news from my friend who work in Toyota assembly plant!! 7th Generation Camry 2.0 in Malaysia will use back the same engine and transmission. IF you can ask your friend who work in toyota assembly plant about the 2.5L camry...how many srs airbags? any VSC and TRC?? |
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Mar 26 2012, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Mar 26 2012, 12:42 PM) The 1AZ-FE has been used for the last 2 generations of Camry, so if this new gen Camry still using this engine, that's mean 3 gen already. And Toyota actually also facing a lot of problem in those less brand-oriented market such as China, heard the new Camry the first month sales also not really good, only around 15K units, while the 2nd month the sales dropped to around 12K++ units, so this months, the third month, they estimate the sales will be even worse, seem like Toyota have to get the FL as soon as possible. Is it just Camry dropping sales figure or the drop trend is across various brands? You sure is due do public acceptance and not some other factors? Statistical figures can be misleading if you do not interpret carefully. Those so called : I heard, you heard, he heard are merely myth without proof. Maybe next time when you quote figures, kindly provide the link as well? China car sales And maybe someone is kind enough to look at Camry 2012 sale figure in US until March? Is Camry's sale doing very badly in US? US car sale figure Added on March 26, 2012, 6:32 pm QUOTE(0300078 @ Mar 19 2012, 11:21 PM) My not true is Camry is a total piece of dated garbage..... Anyway among all the other D segment.... i personally prefer Ford Mondeo and Passat. QUOTE(0300078 @ Mar 26 2012, 12:13 PM) the Camry 2.0 deserve an update..... at least to something like Altis 2.0v 3ZR-FE and not retain the 10 year old 1AZ-FE. Dude, pardon me for my question, I thought you had expressed yourself clearly that you personally prefer Mondeo and Passat? Why you still want to keep an eye on the garbage brand?But this argument cannot continue on loh.... so u like u buy loh. I will be keeping an eye on the 2.5 version which is a much newer and better spec camry. I think you had just showed everyone that, a typical act in LYN forum, which is in spite all the keen effort persuading others to be adventurously buying certain brand, when come to spending your own money, you still look at the conservative safe bet despite it's a garbage brand which is notorious of ripping off people's money for years? I'm sorry for being direct...... This post has been edited by landlily98: Mar 26 2012, 06:33 PM |
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Mar 26 2012, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Mar 26 2012, 06:16 PM) Is it just Camry dropping sales figure or the drop trend is across various brands? You sure is due do public acceptance and not some other factors? Statistical figures can be misleading if you do not interpret carefully. Dude, this is true, you can try to google for the China's Automotive February sales figure for 2012, the Camry which is all new, should be in "honeymoon" period, which the sales figure should be around 20K units and keep steady across a few months time, but seem like the problem is the first month in January was 15K units, the 2nd month the sales dropped to around 13K units, which is Toyota is quite worry about this sales figure. Compare to the last gen, this new gen is just uncomparable to the last gen which the first few months the sales figure was like 22k++ units.Those so called : I heard, you heard, he heard are merely myth without proof. Maybe next time when you quote figures, kindly provide the link as well? China car sales And maybe someone is kind enough to look at Camry 2012 sale figure in US until March? Is Camry's sale doing very badly in US? US car sale figure Added on March 26, 2012, 6:32 pm Dude, pardon me for my question, I thought you had expressed yourself clearly that you personally prefer Mondeo and Passat? Why you still want to keep an eye on the garbage brand? I think you had just showed everyone that, a typical act in LYN forum, which is in spite all the keen effort persuading others to be adventurously buying certain brand, when come to spending your own money, you still look at the conservative safe bet despite it's a garbage brand which is notorious of ripping off people's money for years? I'm sorry for being direct...... |
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Mar 26 2012, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE(landlily98 @ Mar 26 2012, 06:16 PM) Added on March 26, 2012, 6:32 pm Dude, pardon me for my question, I thought you had expressed yourself clearly that you personally prefer Mondeo and Passat? Why you still want to keep an eye on the garbage brand? I think you had just showed everyone that, a typical act in LYN forum, which is in spite all the keen effort persuading others to be adventurously buying certain brand, when come to spending your own money, you still look at the conservative safe bet despite it's a garbage brand which is notorious of ripping off people's money for years? I'm sorry for being direct...... QUOTE(300078 @ Mar 22 2012, 07:38 AM) ^ sry if what i said earlier up there regarding camry was a dated garbage.... just expressing the disappointment of hearing that the 2.0 model is just another facelifted version of an already 10 year old engine and gear box..... Brother i think u miss one of my post tat I mention the disappointment is on the 2.0. maybe to somebody it is nothing but spending money like 140-150k for tat old technology isnt really worth it. But if u r mentioning the 2.4 than it is a much different story (though it is introduce also at xv30 camry model). And the new Camry 2.5 is gonna used Dual VVTI and new gear box. As for Mark x overseas just using the china new car price (in china there are known as Toyota Reiz), there are selling it at roughly RM102k for the lowest spec new car while the Camry 2.0G specs over there is roughly 100k+- (but this comparison is unfair lah i know, Since Malaysia has those AP and tax thingy Mark X not gonna be sell at that price here)... i just express it out earlier becoz i feel that we are treated serious unfair, and some country are selling mark x and camry sight by sight with the price tag so near i dun think why we cant compare both of them. |
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Mar 26 2012, 07:53 PM
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i personally feel the new camry need to increase its price, especially the 2.5V to about 185K, to 190k then hopefully they retain as much as possible, normal 6 speed, dual Vvti, that will be best to uphold the resale value.
very important for camry buyers and current owners. |
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Anyone know which country specs+features will camry Malaysia follow? I heard that Hong Kong? Hm....One Toyota sales man told me it is going to launch around May and June.
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Mar 26 2012, 09:27 PM
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31 posts Joined: Oct 2010
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If follow HK specs would be good....
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Mar 26 2012, 11:54 PM
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344 posts Joined: Feb 2006
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Ugly!!! I think the uncle also can't accept the new Camry!!
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