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 New Toyota Camry 2012, is Really coming now!

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alvincks
post Jun 25 2012, 02:00 PM

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Thanks Lehrry for your reply...

That's what i'm not happy with ...Altis 1.8E already using Dual -VVTI but new Camry using older technology sad.gif

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QUOTE(alvincks @ Jun 25 2012, 01:35 PM)
Sifus,

Help me to understand, new camry 2.0E is using previous model engine  and not Dual VVTI ? it basically different in outlook from previous model? is previous model of Camry still selling ?
New 2.0L Camry not only using old engine but its 4 speed auto transmission is also the old version. Imagine paying 150K for such old tech. Only the 2.5L model has got the new engine and gearbox.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 25 2012, 12:48 PM)
What form of driving can u have in stop start traffic? Even at the most optimal and fuel saving form of driving, i dont see how a 2.5L Camry can achieve 840km range on a single full tank (70L) in 100% city driving. Its a known fact that heavy high cc cars consume alot in city traffic as compared to highway cruising. Even US car mags that tested the 2.5L Camry have claimed a 25mpg city consumption or 10.7km/L only which makes sense for a car this size.
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But your entire journey won't be stop start all the way what. Sure got some length of highway or clear road somewhere. Even if u go to KL to work, you'll be stuck in jam 100% of the time meh? In the morning cannot avoid yah but evening leh? Unless you die die also must leave at a fix hour then FC for that part of the journey also die already loh.

840km is for sure not going to happen one lah. But I think high 600+ to early 700+km is not entirely out of the question. I can get that kind of mileage out of the car also I'll be very happy loh.
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jun 25 2012, 02:04 PM)
But your entire journey won't be stop start all the way what. Sure got some length of highway or clear road somewhere. Even if u go to KL to work, you'll be stuck in jam 100% of the time meh? In the morning cannot avoid yah but evening leh? Unless you die die also must leave at a fix hour then FC for that part of the journey also die already loh.

840km is for sure not going to happen one lah. But I think high 600+ to early 700+km is not entirely out of the question. I can get that kind of mileage out of the car also I'll be very happy loh.
Exactly what im trying to point out. If 840km can't be obtainable, then surely the same goes for that 12km/L rating right? Yes i would say 600-700km for an economical 100% city drive is achievable but that translates to between 8.5-10km/L which makes more sense for a D segment car of that size and engine capacity.
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post Jun 25 2012, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(alvincks @ Jun 25 2012, 02:00 PM)
Thanks Lehrry for your reply...

That's what i'm not happy with ...Altis 1.8E already using Dual -VVTI but new Camry using older technology sad.gif
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Get the 2.5V then.


Added on June 25, 2012, 2:45 pm
QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jun 25 2012, 02:04 PM)
But your entire journey won't be stop start all the way what. Sure got some length of highway or clear road somewhere. Even if u go to KL to work, you'll be stuck in jam 100% of the time meh? In the morning cannot avoid yah but evening leh? Unless you die die also must leave at a fix hour then FC for that part of the journey also die already loh.

840km is for sure not going to happen one lah. But I think high 600+ to early 700+km is not entirely out of the question. I can get that kind of mileage out of the car also I'll be very happy loh.
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That's why I avoid living in the Klang Valley or any other big city.

My city got no traffic jam.

p/s: When other people "balik kampung", me "balik bandar".

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 25 2012, 02:07 PM)
Exactly what im trying to point out. If 840km can't be obtainable, then surely the same goes for that 12km/L rating right? Yes i would say 600-700km for an economical 100% city drive is achievable but that translates to between 8.5-10km/L which makes more sense for a D segment car of that size and engine capacity.
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if it's 700km in the city, it might be possible. Because the tank lights up even with 8 to 9L of fuel left in the tank. While most people won't ignore the gauge, but if really push it, the 800km figure isn't out of the question. But how many people will risk running out of gas to push the car out of the traffic? Hahahahah
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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jun 25 2012, 02:31 PM)

That's why I avoid living in the Klang Valley or any other big city.

My city got no traffic jam.

p/s: When other people "balik kampung", me "balik bandar".
Where do you live then?

And what are your fuel consumption figures for 100% city driving? I mean full tank not just the first half of the tank.
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post Jun 25 2012, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 25 2012, 02:53 PM)
Where do you live then?

And what are your fuel consumption figures for 100% city driving? I mean full tank not just the first half of the tank.
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I live in Kangar.

I don't calculate all by myself.

But, when I first brought the car back from KL, I refuel the tank for almost RM60. This can be considered as the 100% highway.

And for the city driving, I have posted twice in this forum the gauge photo that depicted the fuel consumption.

OK. This is the first car that I don't push to the limit (yet maybe) like my other previous cars. I try to drive within the eco range. Even some of my friends shocked - why a sudden change in my driving style. It's a 2.5 engine man.

Sitting in this car reduces my enthusiasm for speed. Like you all said, it's an uncle car. But, who cares. I would say enjoy the ride.

Perhaps, the green eco light that disappearing when I push the throttle harder or when the car exceeds 140km/h that contributes to this scenario.

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jun 25 2012, 03:29 PM)
I live in Kangar.

I don't calculate all by myself.

But, when I first brought the car back from KL, I refuel the tank for almost RM60. This can be considered as the 100% highway.

And for the city driving, I have posted twice in this forum the gauge photo that depicted the fuel consumption.

OK. This is the first car that I don't push to the limit (yet maybe) like my other previous cars. I try to drive within the eco range. Even some of my friends shocked - why a sudden change in my driving style. It's a 2.5 engine man.

Sitting in this car reduces my enthusiasm for speed. Like you all said, it's an uncle car. But, who cares. I would say enjoy the ride.

Perhaps, the green eco light that disappearing when I push the throttle harder or when the car exceeds 140km/h that contributes to this scenario.
Ok that was some time back. Whats your latest fuel readings / consumption figures? The best way to check fuel consumption is not by looking at readings. YOu fill your tank to its absolute full then drive till almost empty. Then refill again to max. Take this amount and check against the distance travelled and ull get your FC figure. Also make note of your driving ratios e.g highway, city, etc
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Camry 2.5V service schedule and cost.

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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jun 26 2012, 03:44 PM)
Camry 2.5V service schedule and cost.

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For most new cars, using Fully Synthetic Oil is much recommended. Anyway this schedule refers to only SERVICING. Part replacement due to wear & tear is not shown here. So as in most cases, the first year or so, will closely follow this chart but after that the cost starts increasing. And Toyota's parts arent cheap once u add on the labor and service charges as well.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 26 2012, 03:58 PM)
For most new cars, using Fully Synthetic Oil is much recommended. Anyway this schedule refers to only SERVICING. Part replacement due to wear & tear is not shown here. So as in most cases, the first year or so, will closely follow this chart but after that the cost starts increasing. And Toyota's parts arent cheap once u add on the labor and service charges as well.
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Usually, I will use mineral oil for the first 1K and 5K, and then change to fully synthetic for the subsequent 10K.

Toyota parts aren't cheap, but conti's parts are even more expensive and sometimes lack of availability.

BTW, my previous Toyota (VIOS), after four years of using, the parts that needed changes are only the brake pads and shock absorbers.


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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jun 26 2012, 04:08 PM)
Usually, I will use mineral oil for the first 1K and 5K, and then change to fully synthetic for the subsequent 10K.

Toyota parts aren't cheap, but conti's parts are even more expensive and sometimes lack of availability.

BTW, my previous Toyota (VIOS), after four years of using, the parts that needed changes are only the brake pads and shock absorbers.
Bro, my 2003 Vios only changed its shock absorbers in Dec 2011. No other major replacements before that. Gave me excellent service for 9 years. But the newer generations of Toyota's are not the same as previous ones. Ive seen the number of Vios and Camry with problems at various Toyota SC's and its actually quite disappointing. ONe of the reasons why i didnt go for the Camry besides the other factors i mentioned earlier.
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jun 25 2012, 09:54 AM)
Personally experience with the previous gen Camry tells me more realistically the consumption will probably be in the 9.X to 10.Xkm/L range which is normal for a car this size if limited to city driving.
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Wah that is still very efficient city driving. With my prev gen Camry 2.4, 100% city driving gets me about 8.X km/L.
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QUOTE(Lehrry @ Jun 25 2012, 09:44 AM)
ALL CAMRY = CKD
only prius and prius C = CBU
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When you say CKD you mean fully assembled in Malaysia?

Previous gen Camry was assembled in Thailand - that is considered as CBU still right?
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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jun 25 2012, 03:29 PM)
And for the city driving, I have posted twice in this forum the gauge photo that depicted the fuel consumption.
The reading from the gauge might be more optimistic, as compared to actual filling of petrol method.

My friend had a Camry (2 generations ago) and found that the in-car gauge was 2-3 km/L above the actual filling method.

In my Camry (1 gen ago) I find the in-car gauge was 0.4-0.8 km/L above the actual filling method (so I guess still relatively accurate).
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 26 2012, 05:27 PM)
Bro, my 2003 Vios only changed its shock absorbers in Dec 2011. No other major replacements before that. Gave me excellent service for 9 years. But the newer generations of Toyota's are not the same as previous ones. Ive seen the number of Vios and Camry with problems at various Toyota SC's and its actually quite disappointing. ONe of the reasons why i didnt go for the Camry besides the other factors i mentioned earlier.
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Both my vios and corolla went on with no major problems for the entire duration of ownership. 3/1/2 years vios and 4 years corolla. Fuss free and hassle free and the resale was there. Wasn't exciting to drive but as a general workhorse, they truly performed above and beyond.

I really wanted the new Camry for this reason but the truly disappointing specs and price was something difficult to swallow. I actually would have been happy if they kept everything from the prev gen but gave me a 5 speeder instead for the 2.0g and I would have bought it. Didn't even mind waiting 2 months for the car as long as there was some improvements, but I guess it was not meant to be. Ended up paying my booking fee and traded in my corolla for the Passat instead.


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QUOTE(kepalapening @ Jun 26 2012, 03:44 PM)
Camry 2.5V service schedule and cost.

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The 40k service is expensive if you use fully synthetic oil and do the air cond servicing at the same time. My corolla cost about 1.3k or so in its 40k service. The Camry cost about 1.7k++, I have my relatives bill from 2009 for reference and it includes air-cond servicing which was supposed to be done every 30k. That list gives you a good indicative price but the reality is you will typically spend more than what is indicated there depending on the work done and the parts replaced

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Sweet lord.is that guy bashing camry again? Jezz.come on.get a life
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jun 26 2012, 08:57 PM)
The 40k service is expensive if you use fully synthetic oil and do the air cond servicing at the same time. My corolla cost about 1.3k or so in its 40k service. The Camry cost about 1.7k++, I have my relatives bill from 2009 for reference and it includes air-cond servicing which was supposed to be done every 30k. That list gives you a good indicative price but the reality is you will typically spend more than what is indicated there depending on the work done and the parts replaced
Aircon service is every 60K or 90K if im not mistaken. But yes major servicing will cost you >RM 1,000 and once they start adding on small items e.g brake pads, belting, etc your bill will start to climb. But thats the case with most cars anyway including Kia. Thats why i dont bother looking at these maintenance cost charts. It just shows you the basic or minimum price u gotta pay.


Added on June 27, 2012, 8:48 am
QUOTE(jchong @ Jun 26 2012, 05:43 PM)
Wah that is still very efficient city driving. With my prev gen Camry 2.4, 100% city driving gets me about 8.X km/L.
Yes a figure of 8.xkm/L seems quite logical for a 2.4L car in 100% city driving. I dont really see how you can get better than that. The advantage of the extra gear on the 6 speed auto wont really matter since you wouldnt get into 6th gear that often in normal city driving conditions.

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 27 2012, 03:42 AM)
Aircon service is every 60K or 90K if im not mistaken. But yes major servicing will cost you >RM 1,000 and once they start adding on small items e.g brake pads, belting, etc your bill will start to climb. But thats the case with most cars anyway including Kia. Thats why i dont bother looking at these maintenance cost charts. It just shows you the basic or minimum price u gotta pay.
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true, my altis 2005 service @ 40k = 800+ shocking.gif

That time service was poor in ipoh. you need to wait whole day somemore. Now is better since they double the service bay

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