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Investment PAN'GAEA - PARAGON | SOLSTICE | ECLIPSE [OT], The Cyberjaya city centre living by OSK

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Soros007
post Sep 19 2014, 08:55 PM

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Yes it's a marketing strategy but a very unethical strategy!
Used the hotel idea to fish premium price and once sold out the units said hotel changed to residential.
Who knows their Pangaea mall office blocks etc will be changed or not later?
I need to record down, never trust and buy OSK product in future even though I am not the existing Pangaea owner.

QUOTE(JamesPond @ Sep 19 2014, 04:09 PM)
This is not scam. It is a marketing strategy.
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post Sep 20 2014, 11:29 AM

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That's why I never buy and encourage ppl buying high rise soho / sofo / studio units in Cyber.
Landed still the best, own stay and capital appreciation as time goes.

QUOTE(syazwan @ Sep 20 2014, 10:01 AM)
Ive been criticizing projects in cyber lately. I dunno y ppl keeps on buying premium price for nothing in cyber! Sorry, but Ive this sense of belonging w cyber coz ive watch it grows from nothing.

Look, no one knows "planned" segi college and medina uni also pulled out from cyber (if im not mistaken lah..i lupa sudah)
Idk where u guys are going to get future renters later.
if im not mistaken..vega residensi pun dulu kata ada planned hotel and now..still open for sale ffs!

Most mmu students are "attached" with cyberia and d new project beside mmu i forgot what name. Cucms with their own residential college, and now lim kok wing also already move in around d cyberia area.

Family renters? Dream on. No one in d rite mind will put their family of 4 or 5 to move in 1 bed studio with monthly rent around 1.5k

Leftovers are some rich kids or foreigners. With the number of dev in cyber..im pretty sure they have the power to choose now.

The only reason i will buy @ cyber is for my own stay for the next 5-8 years.traffic is acceptable 👍
and if i can find a unit around 350k, 850sqft atleast with atleaaaaast 2 beds...that is the jackpot my fren. For now..i wont venture here as i believe im 6-7 years late.

The way i see it...i dunno who am i going to rent my unit for the next 5 years.

P/s this is my personal opinion. And im working in cyber too.
My company got around 70+ staff. Only one from my dept (of 15) stays in cyber(rent a room)

none from my Operation dept of 40 stays in cyber except pinoys (2 married no child and one single, shared a house) and  1 girl rent a room.

The rest (non operation) not in cyber as far as i know. And the reason....is very obvious like what i stated above. Only some rich kids or foreigners will stay.
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post Sep 20 2014, 02:53 PM

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Low 1 million for super link but it's still a good value buy in term of BU, landsize and concept with respect to others right?


QUOTE(PeriPeri2014 @ Sep 20 2014, 01:00 PM)
1mil at least......... :flex:  :flex:
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post Sep 22 2014, 02:13 PM

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If i were the Pangea buyers, i will get my lawyer to sue OSK.
From what i understand, a verbal promise is also considered legalize from the point of laws even though not in black and white.
If not, i dun mind to spend some money to adv their great job (change in plan) in newspaper and property magazine to alert all the future buyers to improve their reputation too.

Pangeae buyers, i think you guys need to gather to show some power to OSK else enjoy being slaughter by the developer piece by piece.

QUOTE(gu~wak_zhai @ Sep 22 2014, 01:49 PM)
adding the new Kepler, total how many studio/soho units are there in pangea?
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post Sep 23 2014, 02:27 AM

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Spa signed - correct.
But, what's wrong to help the developer adv to public n alerting potential buyers that what osk promise diff to what they delivered- changing master plan after sold out earlier phases. It's a fact if develops changed it n we just telling the truth.
Buat Malu? Lol. Then slowly enjoy being slaughter piece by piece lor. Better do something now before osk start selling the new phase.

QUOTE(JamesPond @ Sep 23 2014, 01:15 AM)
dont buat malu. spa signed. what are you planning to do now?
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post Sep 23 2014, 01:12 PM

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The way I look at it is very simple - either you F them first before officially change the master plan or you being F by them later.


QUOTE(MoneyMaker prince @ Sep 23 2014, 10:17 AM)
I just received OSK email reply to my complaint few days back. They say they are  studying the feasibility for the lifestyle retail & hotel. At the same time, they are also gathering market feedback pertaining to these two proposition.

I think we really need to voice out our dissatisfaction to them!
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post Sep 23 2014, 07:03 PM

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I think if complaining at Pangaea official website + Pangeae FB can alert more buyers abt the change in plan.
From there ask those affected buyers to join your FB group to lodge a complain together.
Hope it helps.

QUOTE(MakeYouHappy @ Sep 23 2014, 05:03 PM)
I think Facebook group is a good idea since Pangaea doesn't have a buyer group yet. We need to gather as many owners of Paragon, Solstice, Eclipse as soon as we can to ensure our voice be heard.
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post Sep 23 2014, 08:10 PM

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Legally correct doesn't mean ethically they are right!
Better make more noise to slow down their sales and ruin their reputation for "legally" change their master plan.
You dare to change, I dare to publish for u!

QUOTE(propertybbb @ Sep 23 2014, 07:22 PM)
Not to pour cold water here. Masterplan can be changed and clauses are sure there to protect developer. If developer has DO etc means all resources, cost and efforts all already put in. Developer wont back out. Your efforts likely ll b wasted. Masterplan is very common to hav it changed
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post Sep 23 2014, 08:11 PM

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Every single channel that can remind or alert the existing buyers! Get the insider contact number or email of buyers via SA?

QUOTE(MoneyMaker prince @ Sep 23 2014, 07:26 PM)
Maybe we can also voice it in cyberjaya facebook ??
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post Sep 23 2014, 09:08 PM

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1). SA.
2). Lawyer firm.
3). Mortgage representative.
4). Insider from OSK.

Pandai-pandai la... U know what I meant. Lol

QUOTE(wisdomtot @ Sep 23 2014, 08:55 PM)
Soros007, do you have a way to get the contact nums/emails?
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post Sep 23 2014, 09:18 PM

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Compromise; just accept it; that's general msian mindset.
Nobody ask u to ruin the project at the first place. Form a group of buyers to do close door meeting with osk for a win win discussion first.
Master plan of course can be changed. Only to the benefits of buyers, not to the pocket of developer without a good reason.
Worry abt big developer like OSK? Lol I think u better worry abt yourself first.


QUOTE(propertybbb @ Sep 23 2014, 09:10 PM)
I understand. But if u know that u r at losing end. If just to ruin its sales and knowing it wilk not reverse back then what is the point? Why ruin the project that u invested or ur future home. Sales affect affect cashflow. Cashflow affect paymnet. Payment late affect contractor. Contractor affects quality. Or worse case. Ur complain is so effective that ruin whole proj and it get abandon becoz no cashflow to run it. Who is at the losing side? If it change the block u purchased A they give u B then it is reasonable to make big fuss of it. If masterplan change also wanna ruin the project i think it is just not economically benefit anyone. Also, OSK could have realised hotel may not work well as ciber mayhave enough hotels in place? Maybe OSK can give a clear reason to buyers. Thats all. Not point to make big ho ha.
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post Sep 28 2014, 11:39 PM

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Surprisingly no one actually complain at Pangaea official website or FB so far.


QUOTE(mascot_lim @ Sep 28 2014, 11:34 PM)
Yeah indeed, in order to safeguard our as home buyer interest, we should all voice our concern to OSK, as well as housing ministry. We cannot afford to keep silent, else those developer can just give us empty promise which will not materialize as they wish.

Imagine some of us spend our hard earned money to buy an unit in Pangaea, which I am believed that most of us bought it for its concept, without office block, hotel and shopping mall, Pangaea is nothing except ordinary condominium, but OSK charges us premium price for Pangaea for the concept, since they revoked all these features, we need to fight for our rights. Imagine without these features, Pangaea is nothing, and once all these previous hotel, office block turn into residential, especially studio, it will affect the ROI of our units. Therefore, to safeguard our interest, we need to fight till the end.....This is simply unethical and con us for sure......
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post Oct 1 2014, 01:00 AM

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Ask those good friends working as SA la.


QUOTE(morning06 @ Sep 30 2014, 10:40 PM)
hmm true also. it's their rice bowl... damn.
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post Oct 2 2014, 06:13 PM

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Maybe should ask reporters to come along to apply some pressure to OSK.


QUOTE(freetransgressor @ Oct 2 2014, 06:01 PM)
Exactly! The introduction of another 2 blocks of Kepler suites will increase the risk of Solstice and Eclipse buyers.

The shopping mall is no more, eliminating the pulling factor of expats/students/residents considering to stay there for convenience but instead choose to stay elsewhere.

No more the iconic futuristic design of the hotel blocks and shopping mall which is the main reason that draw me to invest in Pangea!

OSK has alot of explaining to do.

Buyers of Pangea are meeting this Saturday at Shaftsbury Cyberjaya at 1:30pm before proceeding to Pangea Showroom to meet with OSK reps at 3pm. Please do join us.
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post Oct 3 2014, 09:59 PM

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Another dirty trick from OSK - last minute change of meeting venue to min the group of buyers that coming to complain.
Lousy unethical developer!



QUOTE(mascot_lim @ Oct 3 2014, 03:00 PM)
Just received this a moment ago.....
"Dear Respective Home Owner

We wish to apologize and inform that the venue for ‘Meet the Buyer’ session on discussion for Pan’gaea is changed to below as to accommodate all.
Date      : 4 October 2014, Saturday
Time      : 3.00pm
Venue  : Lotus 3, Level 2, Swiss Garden Hotel & Residences
  117, Jalan Pudu, 55100 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
(enclosed the map for your easy reference)

Sorry for the short notice and see you there.

Regards,
Aemy Lim
Manager, Sales & Marketing
OSK PROPERTY HOLDINGS BERHAD
9th Floor, Plaza OSK, Jalan Ampang, 50450 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
T: (603) 2161 3322 ext : 260
F: (603) 2161 8862 | (603) 2161 3327 (Sales & Marketing)
M: (6012) 611 7848
Corporate Website : www.oskproperty.com.my
Project Website : www.atria.com.my/ | www.pangaea.com.my/ | www.suteradamansara.com.my/ |  www.mirageresidence.com.my/ | www.miragebythelake.com.my/ | www.bandarputerijaya.com.my/
"

Please be informed the rest......
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post Oct 5 2014, 10:42 AM

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How was the meeting with OSK yesterday bro?
Need to find a way to contact more Pangaea buyers to act together. Any advice from the lawyer?

QUOTE(DrPitchard @ Oct 5 2014, 10:33 AM)
Big storm brewing now, will certainly get much bigger in time to come. Not ruling out that those who are not happy will gate crash the official launch of Kepler with banners and placards, unless OSK are able to revert to their original master plan and scrap their new plan of launching Kepler.
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post Oct 5 2014, 02:29 PM

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Heard some rumors that d Pulze is opening by end of this year. Retailer starts renovating the shop.
Someone pls verify is going to D Pulze of cyber.


QUOTE(HWDzone @ Oct 5 2014, 01:53 PM)
Now D'Pulze got mall and Pangaea no mall.. Now D'Pulze looks like a better buy...
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post Oct 6 2014, 11:24 AM

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Nothing wrong buying Pangaea if their pricing is correct at the first place. Charging premium for world class development but shrink down to normal residential area later is not acceptable. Somemore OSK talking c@ck that -"hey, we do it for the benefit of u!". Hahaha



QUOTE(phenomenal0210 @ Oct 5 2014, 08:19 PM)
I was initially very sad, but after attended yst session i think we need to hear more from osk 1st. To me i am planning for my own stay. So I can accept osk explanation that the change is for better sustainability of Pangaea . I also do not want to see pangaea become dead place. As for Kepler, I will want to see more details of this  1st bcos osk said its different from the rest phases.

For my own stay I am very concerned if this pangaea 80% units are for renting cos imagine your neigbours is all tenants. Do not expect they will care for development welfare in long term.

So I do hope the change is for better of pangaea.
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post Oct 7 2014, 10:04 PM

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So what's the agreed way fwd on this issue?
You guys received abt advice from lawyer?
Or compensated by OSK?
Need to act fast else won't be able up bend down the developer.

QUOTE(den @ Oct 7 2014, 09:28 PM)
No le. Someone from OSKP already mentioned that the page is not available because they are updating Kepler into the masterplan page.

I don't think they will ever revert back to the original masterplan. I doubt that they will put much of our concern into consideration. Most likely they are buying time only, while selling Kepler at the same time.

If they are considerate, do you think they will secretly change the master plan w/o even informing anyone?
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post Oct 8 2014, 11:10 AM

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Shopping mall can work or cannot work is not the main point here.
You cant charge buyers for a premium then quietly remove them.
Besides, what compensation should be given to the buyers for the premium that alr paid?
Since you are in this line - share with us your opinion in this OSK thread rather than keep promoting tamarind.

QUOTE(accetera @ Oct 8 2014, 10:54 AM)
Another shopping mall in Cyberjaya will not work.

Even Atria is having some problems in getting tenants for years, only some to be persuaded later.

That is why, Tamarind, an opposite development chooses to go with a more unique masterplan that incorporates the Publika/Solaris Dutamas style of shops with multi-layer pedestrian and park walk.

http://www.tamarindsuites.com/
http://www.tamarindsq.com/
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