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DaEMoNteNTAcLe
post Jun 30 2011, 09:49 AM

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ad300 -> hippo amp, go-vibe single.. i can say rm300+ range of amps.
ad500 -> needs amp at a level above it, can say rm500+ desktop amps, or rm700+ portable amps.

i dont see why ad700 does not need amping when i found ad500 needs lots of juice, unless all you are looking for is volume, just direct plug in to your computer output is enough.

also one more particular info that a lot of people dont know, is that low impedance headphone needs high current output amp, instead of high voltage swing. (gain/volume)

that's why tube amps always does well with at's, grados, etc, since usually tube amps have more current output plus lower gain vs solid state amp (high gain low current). probably 300mW or more is needed, but u only find that in those very powerful portable amps or desktop amps.

go-vibe ppk gave my 650 quite a big improvement probably up to 85%, but only about 50% of my old vtg. through yamamoto ha-02, i can say i got double (100%) improvement on vtg vs ppk, but only about 15% more on 650.

my previous ATH W10VTG power rating is 2000mW, 48ohm (most woodies have similar specs), most portable players output 20-30mW.. some more than 40mW, and most players can make any headphone go very loud and destroy the drivers, but that's not even a quarter of current needed for driving woodies.

in other words, ur amping it wrong. >_<
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post Jun 30 2011, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(aztoiozalan @ Jun 30 2011, 10:05 AM)
owwh thnx bro daemon, sihat ka u? lama x nmpk online tongue.gif

btw was thinking corda3 move tapi no more discon, or a maverick D1 tubemagic, but that is solid state headphone amp, the tube just pre amp ,
other choices are like? so bro daemon u mean iz ad series or low impedence need more current n not voltage , so must find high current amp? < corda?  icon_question.gif
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suda tua, makin gemok. plus im occupied a bit recently, i also still hutang one amp for a friend here in lyn.
that amp has been tweaked specifically for vtg, the balance of the overall sound on vtg is very similar to 650 + lavry. Im still sorting out some noise humming issue. >_<

All audio technicas are low impedance, their highest one is probably my favourite choice air dynamic ad500, 60ohm. laugh.gif
u can take my conclusion that most desktop amps are better than portable amps for at's.
if i had to recommend, i would say get a dac/amp, improvement there would be better. as for going tubes or not, i would still choose to pair woodies with high powered solid state amp.
It needs the speed and extension of solid state amps.

the only thing that i can recommend you without any doubt now is the centrance dacport.
expensive, yes. but do consider that you will be buying a good amp (class A topology, very neutral and powerful), and also a good dac (very very hard to find), both in one compact form.
u can probably split the 1.5k pricing as rm800 amp + rm700 dac.
since all woodies are colored in their own way, u either find an amp that is neutral and retain their coloration, or find an amp that adjust the coloration to be closer to neutral (needs lots of testing and matching).
I cant imagine using full size woodies on the go with portables (possible scratch, and weak source).
I would save up for that and be done. a very simple transportable setup (laptop -> centrance -> headphone), no hassle or bulk to setup (no big box, weight, not enough bag space).

just one thing about the centrance, test it after its hot, may take about 15~20mins running time. I think it may sound very sharp on ur ad700 prior to warm up.
something about centrance choice of circuit topology, it takes the usb power and re-generate it using its own power supply unit, that needs sometime to warm up and stabilize as well.

QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jun 30 2011, 11:10 AM)
good reading.... i love this kind of discussion.... i know a bit about amps now....
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eh abang stepdance sila kasi pendapat.
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post Jun 30 2011, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jun 30 2011, 12:39 PM)
heck i even have hard time configuring ASIO4ALL on foobar lol!
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congrats.. ur already one step ahead of me. hence ur opinion counts!
i cant figure it out at all.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jun 30 2011, 02:43 PM)
hahahahaha.... a step behind i guess... i still cant install it on my foobar despite i tried everything mention in the internet and using my logic.... hahahahahaha

back to serious cat mode thou..... if its portable amp... i should be able to answer by only much....

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i c u have a fiio e5 in ur siggy.
should be quite good since u kept it side by side along with ur stepdance right?
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post Jul 5 2011, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Jul 5 2011, 03:43 PM)
You may also want to look at the new Fiio E11. Cheap, compact and practical with the famous bass boost feature. which adds bass and warmth. Also the one I have, the JDS Labs cMoyBB. After a while it does warm up and able to tame the highs of my dad's Grado SR-60i, especially with the bass boost. Not very good looking though (depending of your definition of style, and your rig). If you can find Meier Audio Corda XXS second hand at a cheap price, it will also be good.  tongue.gif  Was gonna buy it once, but never did. A Jaben staff gave me opinions on it, and it seems to tone down the treble area quite noticeably he says.
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quote from headphonia..
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...I feel the E11 to have the least smooth mids of the bunch and the least refined of the bunch. But overlooking the slightly dry midrange, the sound signature is quite fun with a good punching bass and so I didn’t have problems enjoying the sound of the Fiio with less demanding music (i.e pop or alternative rock recordings that don’t have a good recording to begin with). And while the JDSLabs clearly have the more refined sound, I know that in portable situations many would put a greater weight on the Fiio’s more compact dimension...
taken from here..
Headfonia $100 amp shootout

after so many amps by fiio, they cant even defeat a basic cmoy amp?
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post Jul 6 2011, 05:23 PM

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interesting.. didnt know dt770 being bright.
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post Aug 2 2011, 09:04 AM

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woflson dont appear in serious dacs at the level of pcm1704, sabre chip, akm, etc.
Iphone4 are using cirrus logic, but has better sound quality than my ipod mini using wolfson.

get this if u dont want lavry. very good, more expensive tho, but less hassle.
http://www.stereoaudio.com.au/index.php/au...sb-music-player
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post Aug 3 2011, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(hongrui @ Aug 3 2011, 11:59 AM)
actually i'm also not sure why a USB cable would affect the 1s and 0s transmitting through.

but all i can say is according to my ears, there is a difference. beyond that, the next best thing i can say is try and see if it makes any difference to you.

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because 0s and 1s only exist in computer algorithm, not electronics.
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post Aug 9 2011, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 8 2011, 11:02 PM)
I wonder any nice powercord or power distributor / conditioners you guys using for your rig? Let's share...

Me currently searching for good conditioners / distributor... mostly good ones in US plug.
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transparent powerbanks or quantum qx2.. qx4 if ur rich.. muahaha..
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 9 2011, 02:47 PM)
Bro DaEMoNteNTAcLe, you using the quantum qx4? Does it sell together with it's qbase??
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nope not using it.. just suggestion.
not sure if it does comes with qbase or not..
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post Aug 12 2011, 05:58 AM

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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 9 2011, 08:42 PM)
DaEMoN bro, mind sharing what power solution you use??  wink.gif


Added on August 10, 2011, 9:50 pmWhy cable need to run-in?? sad.gif

2 new cable, hehe... gt2 usb + pcwork mini rca. smile.gif
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nothing atm.
i have furutech wall socket.

got a gt2?
i actually considering to sell mine, 0.6m. gonna need longer since my monitor takes too much space i dont have any room to put my desktop.
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 12 2011, 12:58 PM)
brows.gif Go Buy...
Me just using furutech powercord, how's the wall socket? Is it huge improvement??
Yupz, using gt2 too, mine is 1.8m  biggrin.gif
With 0.6m either you rearrange your placement or buy a longer one... then the 0.6m just keep it spare for portable use.
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i cant say its huge... em.. that more or less depends on what huge is on your perception tho.
slight improvement in scale (overall size of the sound-space) and attack.

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