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post May 20 2013, 11:40 PM

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Already setup a purchase for iFi iCAN and about to receive it within the next few days. Head-Fi had gives a very good rating for its Class-A amplifier and I couldn't wait to try out its 3D and X-Bass feature! Anyone already tried this baby?
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post May 24 2013, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ May 24 2013, 06:05 PM)
should get the complete trio instead  nod.gif  by the way, where did you get it from and how much  hmm.gif
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I got it from one of the largest e-commerce site in Taiwan for ~ RM 830. A slightly more expensive than retail but it is really hard to find any seller here.
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post May 25 2013, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ May 24 2013, 10:40 PM)
Read my siggy please  doh.gif
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Oh I meant to say 'here' in Taiwan coz I'm not in Malaysia tongue.gif
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post Sep 14 2014, 11:43 PM

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Hey guys, I procured myself a HD 800 two weeks ago and has been using the following chain:

foobar2k WASAPI push > Fiio E17 (DAC) Line-Out > iFi iCAN version 1 > HD 800.

The soundstage had been excellent compared to HD 600 but I was wondering whether this amp is adequate the unleash the potential of it with a limited budget of 1k. I have read that using a tube amplifier such as Schiit Lyr would help to smoothen the highs. Strangely though I still can tolerate the highs.

P/S: The burn-in time is less than 10 hours until now.
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post Sep 15 2014, 02:05 AM

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Thanks a lot for the recommendation liquidgal. I myself am aware of the bottleneck and is currently 'training' or 'tuning' my ears to get used to the amp to detect any noticeable room for improvement. Guess it will again start to burn hole in my pocket.
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post Sep 15 2014, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(psychoactive @ Sep 15 2014, 03:19 AM)
E17 + iFi iCAN combo for the HD800? Sounds like a nightmare for me...  doh.gif 
If you can "tolerate" the high instead of enjoying it (you know... some people), definitely pick a warm tube amp to smoothen out. Some people prefer the sonic performance it provides but never like to thicken the sound.. they still opting for solid state amp.
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Yea a nightmare for the ears but a blessing to my bank account blush.gif FYI I went with the upgrade route of headphones instead of DAC and amplifier over these past years whenever I have spare cash to spent. Now that I settled with a flagship headphone such as HD800, guess it is time to change to another route. From what I am aware, not most people (me included) realize how much difference an amplifier can made to the headphone sonically. In fact, before venturing into audiophile world I always thought that for an amplifier to qualified driving a headphone only means able to provide adequate amount of loudness without having to crack the volume knob to max. But I know that this is not the only considering factor as there are also factors to consider as well. Not sure what terminology I should put here hmm.gif

QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Sep 15 2014, 07:19 AM)
Typically at the flagship level, a matching amp should cost 2.5x of the pair of headphones.  It is not about "tolerating" but allowing the pair of headphones to perform to its full potential  sweat.gif

Considering the vast array of DACs and amps at my disposal, including both the iFi iCAN and the Schiit LYR2, none of them can really make the HD800 sing truthfully  sweat.gif 

Yes the Schiit LYR2 is definitely a couple of levels up on the iFi iCAN but is still very far from revealing the true potential of the HD800  sweat.gif 

Then there is the weakness of the DAC.  The FiiO E17 is a highly versatile and great sounding portable DAC/amp for it's price but is not at the quality level of feeding the HD800  sweat.gif 

At the moment, among the best AIO solution for HD800 is the Oppo HA1 or the Chord Hugo.  Then, there is the Schiit Gungnir / Mjolnir stack or the Chord Hugo feeding to the ALO Studio Six  nod.gif

Feed some DSD files via Furutech USB cable to the choice DAC follow by a pair of Van Den Hul to the choice of amp and finish it off with a pair of ALO Ref16 cables to your HD800.  You will be at peace with yourself achieving audio nirvana  drool.gif
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Thanks E1-AKG for the thorough advice. I remembered that the shop owner in which I purchased my HD800 did mentioned that my current setup is definitely unable to reveal my HD800 well but I thought I could bear with it. After listening for almost 2 weeks now I started to realize the limitation of them, hence starting up this post. Now that you mentioned both the Oppo HA1 and Chord Hugo I do recall reading great reviews about them but later opt it out of my list considering my limited budget. Out of the two I think Oppo HA1 might been more affordable for me in the foreseeable future considering its price tag of ~USD 1200 compared to USD 2495 for Chord Hugo. May I ask have you personally try the HA1 and care to share some of your brief reviews or initial impression of it?

Say I am to purchase it somehow, may I know any seller on LYN nor Lelong.com that sells them as I can't seemed to find any. One immediate action is to browse through our local distributor but realize that they only sell Oppo smartphone. hmm.gif


QUOTE(Problem @ Sep 15 2014, 08:00 AM)
If you trust what some folks at headfi believe for budget setups for the HD800, the schiit vali is a great alternative to M/G stack, then of course Maxvla would suggest m-stage as well. And maybe Violectric V200 as well.

Been at your situation on matching it properly but I think my HD800 setup is complete, for now.
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I often read some back and forth discussion between the Schiit Vali, Asgard 2, and Lyr matching with HD 800 and can't seemed to conclude which one might suit to my listening preference. Considering where I am currently staying at (Segamat), there is not a single shop carrying audiophile grade equipments and the closest one, presumably, is Jaben Malaysia in Subang Jaya. So feeding off user reviews is my only option.
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post Sep 16 2014, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(Problem @ Sep 15 2014, 09:44 PM)
E1 sells Oppo HA-1, for HD800 it is really your preference on what you're looking for, after listening to my DNA Stratus, I rarely go back to my old setup of using the headphone out from the grace design m903 as it sounded very lean in the bass, and should I say, digital?

Never heard much of Asgard 2 nor Lyr powering the HD800 as most comparisons I have seen is comparing the Vali against the M/G setup to which the vali seems to hold it's ground for being something so cheap but gives a nice musicality tone to the HD800.

For solid state amps, you'll need to be careful on how some reviewers and owners rate their tonality signature as it can vary for one another, like for one most seem to agree that the Violectric V200 is slightly on the darker edge spectrum whereas the Schiit Mjolnir is more aggressive sounding.
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I just browse through discussion on Vali on Head-Fi and it is just as you said. It received a high praise for having a high C/P ratio while delivering good sonic performance when matching with HD800. Not sure how good would that be since I cannot audit it anywhere in my area, and going to E1 in Sungei Wang might only be possible in the coming months. To any owner that has similar setup or auditioned similar setup as I did, I am curious on how would a combination of Vali and Modi fares against my current setup of E17 and iFi iCAN. I think the price tag of both the Vali and Modi might cost almost the same as my iFi iCAN. Not sure whether the performance and price tradeoff holds true here.

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