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TSaztoiozalan
post Jun 29 2011, 06:59 PM, updated 14y ago

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hye guys n girls,

was thinking of creating a sticky for an amplifier recommendation thread , as i am looking for one and im sure there is alot other ppl want to ask for recommendation , they can ask here too instead doing a simple thread y not a sticky

this also include recomendation for standalone amp/ amp/dac combo

Source : Asus EEE netbook, Zune 30, Hippo Gumstick (.flac, .wma lossles .mp3 )

Cans : AD700 > future woodies

Requirement : anything as long as suffice my jump later on to ath woodies brows.gif

Budget : 500-1k << 1 k oledi max if not i must fund sien , but just do let me noe ur recomendation eventhough + abit from 1k

Type : desktop / portable also cn as long as i cn use it *portable is a plus but if got desktop prefer that *


was thinking of a D1 Tubemagic by maverick, Meier Corda 3MOVE, Govibe Magnum, ppk, or ibasso line


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few guides or referrence i found but im too confused to understand with icon_question.gif

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/214588...dded-rsa-sr-71b

Make ur inquiries formatted like this

Source : pmp, tablet, lappy,
Equipment : existing amp, amp/dac, cans,
Requirement : What u want in the amp, the characteristic / sound siggy
Budget : exact figure at least xxx-xxx

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post Jun 29 2011, 07:03 PM

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Graham Slee Voyager, or GoVibe PPK came into my mind. tongue.gif

Hey you're right, this thread will be great stickied. biggrin.gif

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post Jun 29 2011, 07:05 PM

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how much is graham slee voyeger ? was thinking of ppk at first , but tkt not enough power to give juice eventhough i noe ath cans mostly low impedence . i heard ppk + hd650 symphonica was d best, can even give juice, but pcwork is genius dunno how he do wan notworthy.gif

any suggestion mrjinggles? brows.gif most probably i wud like to find neutral amp , n open spacious, lushly

bro jinggles : budget itu mmg i x makin nasi 3 tahun lae larvy sad.gif icon_question.gif
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post Jun 29 2011, 08:09 PM

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2nd the sticky. TS, you can add this link to your 1st post. I think it's really helpful.

Portable amp roundup! 56 portable amps reviewed and compared (Skylab @ Head-fi)

QUOTE(aztoiozalan @ Jun 29 2011, 08:17 PM)
any suggestion mrjinggles? brows.gif most probably i wud like to find neutral amp , n open spacious, lushly
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Most neutral amp I've heard? Lavry DA-11 biggrin.gif

QUOTE(aztoiozalan @ Jun 29 2011, 10:35 PM)
bro jinggles : budget itu mmg i x makin nasi 3 tahun lae larvy sad.gif icon_question.gif
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From what I'm reading online, I don't think you need an amp for the AD700.

http://www.overclock.net/sound-cards-compu...amp-ad700s.html
http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/497823...is-the-question
http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/385793...setup-questions
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post Jun 29 2011, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(MrJinggles @ Jun 29 2011, 08:09 PM)
2nd the sticky. TS, you can add this link to your 1st post. I think it's really helpful.

Portable amp roundup! 56 portable amps reviewed and compared (Skylab @ Head-fi)
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^

as mentioned, also you may want to add some format guidelines, or other additional information to the first/2nd posts etc. can request mod to cleanup/delete posts if you need more posts spacing (like deleting the 2nd post for example)

can probably refer to the other already stickied threads for info.

i have also reported this thread for mods to sticky.

QUOTE(MrJinggles @ Jun 29 2011, 10:53 PM)
thats the case for most low/mid range audio technica headphones, since they are easily driven. with an amp however, it will definitely improve what the headphones can do, or if anything, add in coloration that my compliment the headphones.

example for my case:
AD900 weak in bass
govibe peak bass is rather colored, and pretty strong

paired up = really really well rounded headphone. smile.gif


Added on June 30, 2011, 12:38 am
oh yea to add in, perhaps you may want to change the category tagging, as amplifiers can be used on pretty much any audio equipment, and not just headphones.

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post Jun 30 2011, 09:49 AM

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ad300 -> hippo amp, go-vibe single.. i can say rm300+ range of amps.
ad500 -> needs amp at a level above it, can say rm500+ desktop amps, or rm700+ portable amps.

i dont see why ad700 does not need amping when i found ad500 needs lots of juice, unless all you are looking for is volume, just direct plug in to your computer output is enough.

also one more particular info that a lot of people dont know, is that low impedance headphone needs high current output amp, instead of high voltage swing. (gain/volume)

that's why tube amps always does well with at's, grados, etc, since usually tube amps have more current output plus lower gain vs solid state amp (high gain low current). probably 300mW or more is needed, but u only find that in those very powerful portable amps or desktop amps.

go-vibe ppk gave my 650 quite a big improvement probably up to 85%, but only about 50% of my old vtg. through yamamoto ha-02, i can say i got double (100%) improvement on vtg vs ppk, but only about 15% more on 650.

my previous ATH W10VTG power rating is 2000mW, 48ohm (most woodies have similar specs), most portable players output 20-30mW.. some more than 40mW, and most players can make any headphone go very loud and destroy the drivers, but that's not even a quarter of current needed for driving woodies.

in other words, ur amping it wrong. >_<
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QUOTE(aztoiozalan @ Jun 29 2011, 06:59 PM)
Source : Asus EEE netbook, Zune 30, Hippo Gumstick  (.flac, .wma lossles .mp3 )

Cans : AD700 > future woodies

Requirement : anything as long as suffice my jump later on to ath woodies brows.gif

Budget : 500-1k << 1 k oledi max if not i must fund sien , but just do let me noe ur recomendation eventhough + abit from 1k

Type : desktop / portable also cn as long as i cn use it  *portable is a plus but if got desktop prefer that *
was thinking of a D1 Tubemagic by maverick, Meier Corda 3MOVE, Govibe Magnum, ppk, or ibasso line
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE FELLOW LYN-ers notworthy.gif
few guides or referrence i found but im too confused to understand with icon_question.gif
Uber Muzik TTD is a great introduction to tube amps. and to me, TTD can have the D1 tube magic for a snack anytime of the day. And if you change the stock tube to NOS tubes... brows.gif

if you plan to go down woodies route, tubes are the way to go. SS will never give you the lush & musical mids like a good tube amp can.

let me know if you want to audition the TTD. i'll put you in touch with a pal of mine, George, who's in Cheras.

the general difference between tube amps and SS amps are like what you said. but now there are SS amps which are tuned to sound like tube amps while tube amps by changing the tubes, you can get close to SS sound too.

i would say:
SS = better extensions, neutral and more detail oriented. SS sound to me is like "< >", very fast response but sharp sounding.

Tubes = warm, lush and musical. Tube sound is more "( )" more rounded sound but slightly slower for transitions.
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post Jun 30 2011, 10:05 AM

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jinggles : i know smile.gif but it is to give extra ooomph , and also for my future needs/ jumps i.e to ath woodies w1000 or equivalent, but woodies, was again keen on trying D1 maverick , anyone tried before?

owwh thnx bro daemon, sihat ka u? lama x nmpk online tongue.gif

btw was thinking corda3 move tapi no more discon, or a maverick D1 tubemagic, but that is solid state headphone amp, the tube just pre amp ,
other choices are like? so bro daemon u mean iz ad series or low impedence need more current n not voltage , so must find high current amp? < corda? icon_question.gif

owh daemon : so the dacport is dac + amp? the one looking like a pen izzit brows.gif oowh

geno : brows.gif stepdance aritu sy dgr kwn punya, i likey the fowardness smile.gif xpernah try with ad700

hongrui : ive never tried the ttd sad.gif anywhere can audition it ?

hmm confused icon_question.gif tubey or solid state,

but one question guys, GENERALLY Solid Stae is faster, extension , sparkle,

tubey = lush mids, warmish, slower speed , n ??

hope to get guidence from sifu here or taiko2 sume notworthy.gif

correct me if im wrong pls. smile.gif

owh thnx hongrui, will let u noe if i want to audition it im from kg pandan near cheras also brows.gif

anyways guys, for a amp dac or amp standalone , obviously for amp part, the standalone amp wins kan>?
because it only concentrate amping headphones ?

if possible, can follow the format smile.gif easier to look at our situaion like in d 1st post icon_rolleyes.gif

i recomend u ibasso D2 boa or a ordnance .25
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good reading.... i love this kind of discussion.... i know a bit about amps now....
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QUOTE(aztoiozalan @ Jun 30 2011, 10:05 AM)
owwh thnx bro daemon, sihat ka u? lama x nmpk online tongue.gif

btw was thinking corda3 move tapi no more discon, or a maverick D1 tubemagic, but that is solid state headphone amp, the tube just pre amp ,
other choices are like? so bro daemon u mean iz ad series or low impedence need more current n not voltage , so must find high current amp? < corda?  icon_question.gif
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suda tua, makin gemok. plus im occupied a bit recently, i also still hutang one amp for a friend here in lyn.
that amp has been tweaked specifically for vtg, the balance of the overall sound on vtg is very similar to 650 + lavry. Im still sorting out some noise humming issue. >_<

All audio technicas are low impedance, their highest one is probably my favourite choice air dynamic ad500, 60ohm. laugh.gif
u can take my conclusion that most desktop amps are better than portable amps for at's.
if i had to recommend, i would say get a dac/amp, improvement there would be better. as for going tubes or not, i would still choose to pair woodies with high powered solid state amp.
It needs the speed and extension of solid state amps.

the only thing that i can recommend you without any doubt now is the centrance dacport.
expensive, yes. but do consider that you will be buying a good amp (class A topology, very neutral and powerful), and also a good dac (very very hard to find), both in one compact form.
u can probably split the 1.5k pricing as rm800 amp + rm700 dac.
since all woodies are colored in their own way, u either find an amp that is neutral and retain their coloration, or find an amp that adjust the coloration to be closer to neutral (needs lots of testing and matching).
I cant imagine using full size woodies on the go with portables (possible scratch, and weak source).
I would save up for that and be done. a very simple transportable setup (laptop -> centrance -> headphone), no hassle or bulk to setup (no big box, weight, not enough bag space).

just one thing about the centrance, test it after its hot, may take about 15~20mins running time. I think it may sound very sharp on ur ad700 prior to warm up.
something about centrance choice of circuit topology, it takes the usb power and re-generate it using its own power supply unit, that needs sometime to warm up and stabilize as well.

QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jun 30 2011, 11:10 AM)
good reading.... i love this kind of discussion.... i know a bit about amps now....
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eh abang stepdance sila kasi pendapat.
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Jun 30 2011, 12:04 PM)
eh abang stepdance sila kasi pendapat.
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abang stepdance tak involve dalam desktop amp.... jadi abang stepdance tak boleh bagi pendapat! lol!

as im only involved in mostly portable solid state amp... and i dont know the tech terms of it....
so i guess let u guys discuss and it'll be a good read for me who noob about desktop amps and everything about it....
heck i even have hard time configuring ASIO4ALL on foobar lol!
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jun 30 2011, 12:39 PM)
abang stepdance tak involve dalam desktop amp.... jadi abang stepdance tak boleh bagi pendapat! lol!

as im only involved in mostly portable solid state amp... and i dont know the tech terms of it....
so i guess let u guys discuss and it'll be a good read for me who noob about desktop amps and everything about it....
heck i even have hard time configuring ASIO4ALL on foobar lol!
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yet ur gera says otherwise tongue.gif

good reah here guys, vote for sticky!
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jun 30 2011, 12:39 PM)
heck i even have hard time configuring ASIO4ALL on foobar lol!
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congrats.. ur already one step ahead of me. hence ur opinion counts!
i cant figure it out at all.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Jun 30 2011, 02:14 PM)
congrats.. ur already one step ahead of me. hence ur opinion counts!
i cant figure it out at all.. laugh.gif
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hahahahaha.... a step behind i guess... i still cant install it on my foobar despite i tried everything mention in the internet and using my logic.... hahahahahaha

back to serious cat mode thou..... if its portable amp... i should be able to answer by only much....

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jun 30 2011, 02:43 PM)
hahahahaha.... a step behind i guess... i still cant install it on my foobar despite i tried everything mention in the internet and using my logic.... hahahahahaha

back to serious cat mode thou..... if its portable amp... i should be able to answer by only much....

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i c u have a fiio e5 in ur siggy.
should be quite good since u kept it side by side along with ur stepdance right?
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Jun 30 2011, 02:49 PM)
i c u have a fiio e5 in ur siggy.
should be quite good since u kept it side by side along with ur stepdance right?
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casing only e5, inside brows.gif who knows hahaha

ok gak. at least when come to my turn, the amp already burn in tongue.gif
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Jun 30 2011, 02:49 PM)
i c u have a fiio e5 in ur siggy.
should be quite good since u kept it side by side along with ur stepdance right?
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mau jual pon berapa je dapat? honestly... im kindda attached to all my stuff.... i have hard time to sell it even thou its a fiio E5.... i was my very 1st amp... and i still remember the 1st time i heard the amp.... was very shocked it change the whole spectrum of my understanding about sounds.... hehehehe tiny things do make a great impression at that time....


about upgrading the amp... well, thanks for the idea.... could do some experiment later on! brows.gif
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I just bought an ATH ES7. So now looking for DAC/AMP to work together with it.
Budget is around RM500 (higher abit still possible).

Any suggestions are very much appreciated. biggrin.gif

Gonna try that JDS labs cMoy on my ES7. The excitement.
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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Jul 1 2011, 05:01 AM)
I just bought an ATH ES7. So now looking for DAC/AMP to work together with it.
Budget is around RM500 (higher abit still possible).

Any suggestions are very much appreciated. biggrin.gif
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I used to pair the ES7 with my AMB mini^3 amp (no DAC). it reduces the brightness of the ES7 while tightening the bass.

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check these out:

http://www.avguide.com/review/four-superb-...ource=email-160

http://www.avguide.com/review/three-top-ti...ource=email-160

http://www.avguide.com/review/three-headph...ource=email-160
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QUOTE(calmshot @ Jun 30 2011, 02:58 PM)
casing only e5, inside  brows.gif who knows hahaha
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Hahahahahahahah..this kucing experimental is it??
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jul 1 2011, 03:50 PM)
i dont yet experiment but seriously it would be a freaking good idea....
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Try la wei..
Can i be the 2nd tester? laugh.gif
calmshot no 3..hahahah
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QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Jul 1 2011, 09:04 AM)
Hahahahahahahah..this kucing experimental is it??
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i dont yet experiment but seriously it would be a freaking good idea....

QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Jul 1 2011, 04:23 PM)
Try la wei..
Can i be the 2nd tester? laugh.gif
calmshot no 3..hahahah
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QUOTE(calmshot @ Jul 1 2011, 04:25 PM)
ok gak. at least when come to my turn, the amp already burn in tongue.gif
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sabar lee... projek mod stax dengan ipod yang dah kena barai tu pon belom buat lagi....

tengok lah kalau ada kepakaran untuk mod or buat apa yang patut kat fiio e5 tu....
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jul 1 2011, 04:46 PM)
sabar lee... projek mod stax dengan ipod yang dah kena barai tu pon belom buat lagi....

tengok lah kalau ada kepakaran untuk mod or buat apa yang patut kat fiio e5 tu....
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Bagi la teaser..
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QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Jul 1 2011, 04:51 PM)
Bagi la teaser..
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dah siap kang baru bagi teaser.....
eventually i am kindda new in modding world.... so needs loads of reading and research before can implement bigger things.....
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QUOTE(aztoiozalan @ Jul 1 2011, 08:03 AM)
if possible, can follow the format smile.gif easier to look at our situaion like in d 1st post icon_rolleyes.gif

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Ok I try again with a better format.

Source : Desktop, Laptop
Equipment : ATH ES7, Sennheiser HD218
Requirement : Bassy, Warmer
Budget : 500-600-xxx


QUOTE(aztoiozalan @ Jul 1 2011, 08:03 AM)
i recomend u ibasso D2 boa or a ordnance .25
QUOTE(hongrui @ Jul 1 2011, 10:20 AM)
I used to pair the ES7 with my AMB mini^3 amp (no DAC). it reduces the brightness of the ES7 while tightening the bass.
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While I like the clarity of my new toy ES7, I notice at times that some of the songs were too sharp. So I guess I need more bass and warmer sound. Please do correct me.
This will be my first DAC/Amp. The only DAC/Amp that I have tried during my purchase of ES7 was the Hippo Box+ and the Fiio E7.

I like the Hippo Box+ more than the Fiio E7.

So how is the Ibasso D2 Boa and the Ordnance .25 compared to the Hippo Box+?

Any other worthy brands/models within the budget range? I dont adding up 50-100 more though.

Here's some of the type of music/songs that I frequently listen to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z_k8WayhAU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFy0i-JGRtE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdqT3MDAG2w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htGmTJNsOr0
Oh and Radiohead! LOL.

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I think the first post can be changed so it has a number of spoilers , each with a write up on a series of amps and what they add to the cans in terms of sound. Would help be a knowledgable article , people can read OP to determine what they need instead of posting and waiting for response.
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@darthmaus : thnx bro notworthy.gif ok will collect at least 1k + then oni pergi jaben brows.gif now got side project if im lucky cn score me K's brows.gif

btw wuddaya guys think of la figaro / darkvoice's amp series ? icon_question.gif

i have no idea on how to do spoilers bro sad.gif( icon_question.gif

to mods : if anything cn help me with it just delete n edit ok thnx so much

@EightPhantomz : most obvious is hippo box + no vol control an will always highest vol from amp , if no gain aplied i cn say hippo box is neutral enuf u noe smile.gif


and sifus here : anywan tried or heard of the hifiman EF2A headphone amp ? icon_question.gif

brows.gif that my fren, i mau juga xD

hifiman ef2a anyone ??? icon_question.gif

i bring my zune + hippo box + se215 thru to jakarta lately n it was ok but they asked who am i contacting and checked it one by one , cuz i look like talking to someone on d other SIDE lol

btw , sticking to topic smile.gif

anywan knows wut is the or the few or amps that are portables, yet high driving power @ high juice smile.gif cn state them if u know?

Eightphantomz : tmrw i free gila lupa pula jaben closed? ibasso amp? new model or wut? didnt know ibasso came out neew model
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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Jul 3 2011, 05:08 PM)
Gonna try that JDS labs cMoy on my ES7. The excitement.
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That thing is spectacular. I can't believe I only paid RM220 for it. brows.gif
Tried it with my Grado SR60i. With bass boost on it's even better. brows.gif

Ran out the stock battery, it went up to 25 hours. I can extend the battery life of my Teclast T51 by 4 hours too (by turning the amp on the player all the way down and use the LO port for the cMoy). rclxms.gif

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Try get energizer max battery or better get energizer lithium. Or if u use for desktop, can get universal power adapter , the spec as stated on the pdf instruction doc.

John saber from jds said he will release a high end bb cmoy with internal battery in 2 months time, but the price will be 3x from current cmoy, code name c421.
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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Jul 3 2011, 05:08 PM)
Gonna try that JDS labs cMoy on my ES7. The excitement.
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JDS labs definitely worth it. can boost bass to not so bassy phone even without bass boost on. And you can increase the power by using external power supply. If assuming that the hippo box shares common sound signature and power of hippo amp then the JDS labs cmoy definitely beats it. It's a clear winner here.

QUOTE(calmshot @ Jul 3 2011, 08:51 PM)
Try get energizer max battery or better get energizer lithium. Or if u use for desktop, can get universal power adapter , the spec as stated on the pdf instruction doc.

John saber from jds said he will release a high end bb cmoy with internal battery in 2 months time, but the price will be 3x from current cmoy, code name c421.
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hi calmshot any info yet on the c421 such as casing and final price? When is the earliest we can see the info. I've been like waiting forever just to see their casing and price. Don't know which to get yet.

Then can you update me before you do the bulk? I still haven't make a choice yet. It's either cmoy or c421.
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QUOTE(Akuma no Hana @ Jul 3 2011, 09:13 PM)
JDS labs definitely worth it. can boost bass to not so bassy phone even without bass boost on. And you can increase the power by using external power supply. If assuming that the hippo box shares common sound signature and power of hippo amp then the JDS labs cmoy definitely beats it. It's a clear winner here.
hi calmshot any info yet on the c421 such as casing and final price? When is the earliest we can see the info. I've been like waiting forever just to see their casing and price. Don't know which to get yet.
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aight... nah take your time. if you want to wait for c421 coming also no prob, so you can compare between those
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I've been following the C421. I like the internal shot of the amp. Looks good. Probably not as DIY looking as the cMoyBB.


Added on July 4, 2011, 7:30 pmThis might be a very silly question, but after a trip to the bank, I have a concern about my rig, which is the Teclast T51 mated to JDS Labs cMoy, with wotiyo's interconnect.

My concern is...........that it looks like a home-made explosive rig. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif What with all that steel candy casing and exposed cable of the interconnect. laugh.gif

I get looks from security guards at the bank. laugh.gif laugh.gif
I'm leaving for Kuching on Wednesday, and I'm wondering whether I will be stuck at the scanner for a long time trying to explain myself to the airport security. laugh.gif Has anyone ever brought rigs like that to the airport? tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Akuma no Hana @ Jul 3 2011, 09:13 PM)
JDS labs definitely worth it. can boost bass to not so bassy phone even without bass boost on. And you can increase the power by using external power supply. If assuming that the hippo box shares common sound signature and power of hippo amp then the JDS labs cmoy definitely beats it. It's a clear winner here.
hi calmshot any info yet on the c421 such as casing and final price? When is the earliest we can see the info. I've been like waiting forever just to see their casing and price. Don't know which to get yet.
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Ahhhh damn. U guys really poison me lah. I also want to wait for the c421 lah if like that. LOL.

QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Jul 4 2011, 08:07 AM)
I've been following the C421. I like the internal shot of the amp. Looks good. Probably not as DIY looking as the cMoyBB.


Added on July 4, 2011, 7:30 pmThis might be a very silly question, but after a trip to the bank, I have a concern about my rig, which is the Teclast T51 mated to JDS Labs cMoy, with wotiyo's interconnect.

My concern is...........that it looks like a home-made explosive rig.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  What with all that steel candy casing and exposed cable of the interconnect.  laugh.gif

I get looks from security guards at the bank.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
I'm leaving for Kuching on Wednesday, and I'm wondering whether I will be stuck at the scanner for a long time trying to explain myself to the airport security.  laugh.gif  Has anyone ever brought rigs like that to the airport?  tongue.gif
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Bro, take picture can? Wanna see. Hehe.

That reminds me of this video from headfi. Not sure if u guys watch it already. Drag the timer to 5:55. Got questions about going thru airport with those bulky rig.
http://www.youtube.com/user/headfi#p/u/3/GhWKGlw-3gM


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i bring my zune + hippo box + se215 thru to jakarta lately n it was ok but they asked who am i contacting and checked it one by one , cuz i look like talking to someone on d other SIDE lol

btw , sticking to topic smile.gif

anywan knows wut is the or the few or amps that are portables, yet high driving power @ high juice smile.gif cn state them if u know?
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Eightphantomz : tmrw i free gila lupa pula jaben closed? ibasso amp? new model or wut? didnt know ibasso came out neew model
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Didnt mentioned that its new model. Just some Ibasso models. Can check their forum. I probably go either Thursday or Friday.

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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Jul 4 2011, 08:28 PM)
Bro, take picture can? Wanna see. Hehe.
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Sorry for the low quality, but here it is!!

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I can't find those wide rubber bands anywhere! Seems to come across the a lot when I don't need them, and then suddenly disappear when I do. vmad.gif

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Sorry for the low quality, but here it is!!

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I can't find those wide rubber bands anywhere! Seems to come across the a lot when I don't need them, and then suddenly disappear when I do.  vmad.gif
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Bro, check out the vid that I post before urs. Jude's (of HeadFi) rig is bulkier than urs. LOL.
The JDS Labs cMoyBB Altoids mint case is really deceiving lah.

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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Jul 4 2011, 08:07 AM)
I've been following the C421. I like the internal shot of the amp. Looks good. Probably not as DIY looking as the cMoyBB.


Added on July 4, 2011, 7:30 pmThis might be a very silly question, but after a trip to the bank, I have a concern about my rig, which is the Teclast T51 mated to JDS Labs cMoy, with wotiyo's interconnect.

My concern is...........that it looks like a home-made explosive rig.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  What with all that steel candy casing and exposed cable of the interconnect.  laugh.gif

I get looks from security guards at the bank.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
I'm leaving for Kuching on Wednesday, and I'm wondering whether I will be stuck at the scanner for a long time trying to explain myself to the airport security.  laugh.gif  Has anyone ever brought rigs like that to the airport?  tongue.gif
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Don't worry, just put it in ur bags to pass through the scanner. They don't care much in the bags one. Just don't carry them cause they are metal sure to get caught. Just to be safe bring the receipt to id the products, and that's it. I really wanted to see the face of the security guards. Even if i'm them i also would thought that it is a bomb.
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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Jul 4 2011, 09:35 PM)
Bro, check out the vid that I post before urs. Jude's (of HeadFi) rig is bulkier than urs. LOL.
The JDS Labs cMoyBB Altoids mint case is really deceiving lah.
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It's not the bulk, it's the way the rig looks that can cause misunderstandings. laugh.gif

QUOTE(Akuma no Hana @ Jul 4 2011, 09:50 PM)
Don't worry, just put it in ur bags to pass through the scanner. They don't care much in the bags one. Just don't carry them cause they are metal sure to get caught. Just to be safe bring the receipt to id the products, and that's it. I really wanted to see the face of the security guards. Even if i'm them i also would thought that it is a bomb.
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Kinda worrying but funny at the same time. I was expecting one of them to go up to me and asking some questions. I guess with my IEM hooked up to it they kinda let me pass. tongue.gif But the similarity to an explosive and a detonator device is quite scary. I think any good security officer would ask me about it, rather surprised that they didn't.

Oh well, if the rig passes through without any suspicion, I would be glad. Else, it would be quite a funny experience. laugh.gif

Anyways, back into topic. I think that this amp has somewhat cure my desire for a Future Sonics Atrio. It can make the Brainwavz M1 quite the air pumper. In fact, I'm more inclined into getting an IEM like the Hifiman RE0 than the Atrio.....for now at least. The bass of the Atrio would be nice, but since giving my Grado to my dad I would have nothing to rest my ears from bass if I got the Atrio and sell the M1.

The Atrio would be great for a bass fix without an amp though, so it is still in my priorities list for IEM, but I think it just went 2nd place after the RE0 (or similar IEM). Thanks to the JDS Labs cMoyBB v2.03.

That's an interconnect, and if you're going to buy the JDS Labs cMoy, you're gonna have to buy one because they're not included. I bought mine from wotiyo (a forumer), he made them. Some people even buy new ones to replace the stock ones that may come with their amp. Supposedly they give better sound quality. Never tried though. never really believe in these 'cable thingies'. I believe that as long as it connects properly and no clicks, crackles and pops can be heard, it's good.

Save up for the new one la, hehe. I bet it's going to cost twice as the v2.03.

P/S: This is turning into an amp discussion thread rather than a recommendations thread.

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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Jul 4 2011, 10:29 PM)
It's not the bulk, it's the way the rig looks that can cause misunderstandings.  laugh.gif
Kinda worrying but funny at the same time. I was expecting one of them to go up to me and asking some questions. I guess with my IEM hooked up to it they kinda let me pass.  tongue.gif  But the similarity to an explosive and a detonator device is quite scary. I think any good security officer would ask me about it, rather surprised that they didn't.

Oh well, if the rig passes through without any suspicion, I would be glad. Else, it would be quite a funny experience.  laugh.gif

Anyways, back into topic. I think that this amp has somewhat cure my desire for a Future Sonics Atrio. It can make the Brainwavz M1 quite the air pumper. In fact, I'm more inclined into getting an IEM like the Hifiman RE0 than the Atrio.....for now at least. The bass of the Atrio would be nice, but since giving my Grado to my dad I would have nothing to rest my ears from bass if I got the Atrio and sell the M1.

The Atrio would be great for a bass fix without an amp though, so it is still in my priorities list for IEM, but I think it just went 2nd place after the RE0 (or similar IEM). Thanks to the JDS Labs cMoyBB v2.03.
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Yup specially the connector. What are those? The way they put the cable, looks abit like dynamite. LOL.
Jude of HeadFi did give a tips or two on what to prepare when going thru the airport security.

Ahh the JDS Labs cMoyBB v2.03. Hafto tahan until the next restock and hopefully the new model come out on the same time aswell.

Hafto audition first then you will know if you really need an amp. I'm still looking for my first amp. Choose carefully.

At least for my case, I'm looking for warmer and more bass due to the sharpness/lower bass on my ES7.

Need to do more and more audition.

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Heyy guyz i finding an amp for my grado sr80i
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QUOTE(yui80 @ Jul 5 2011, 03:29 PM)
Heyy guyz i finding an amp for my grado sr80i
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i was thinking of govibe martini
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You may also want to look at the new Fiio E11. Cheap, compact and practical with the famous bass boost feature. which adds bass and warmth. Also the one I have, the JDS Labs cMoyBB. After a while it does warm up and able to tame the highs of my dad's Grado SR-60i, especially with the bass boost. Not very good looking though (depending of your definition of style, and your rig). If you can find Meier Audio Corda XXS second hand at a cheap price, it will also be good. tongue.gif Was gonna buy it once, but never did. A Jaben staff gave me opinions on it, and it seems to tone down the treble area quite noticeably he says.

It's not a question of whether you can, it's whether you want to or need to.

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Can i use an amp for my Beats Solo HD's? If can any recommendations? I'm using iPhone or Macbook as my source. smile.gif

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It's not a question of whether you can, it's whether you want to or need to.
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So would a solo hd need an amp? Or just the built-in iphone is enough? smile.gif
So if u want an amp for my solo hd, any recommendation?

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QUOTE(tunertoobe @ Jul 5 2011, 03:43 PM)
You may also want to look at the new Fiio E11. Cheap, compact and practical with the famous bass boost feature. which adds bass and warmth. Also the one I have, the JDS Labs cMoyBB. After a while it does warm up and able to tame the highs of my dad's Grado SR-60i, especially with the bass boost. Not very good looking though (depending of your definition of style, and your rig). If you can find Meier Audio Corda XXS second hand at a cheap price, it will also be good.  tongue.gif  Was gonna buy it once, but never did. A Jaben staff gave me opinions on it, and it seems to tone down the treble area quite noticeably he says.
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quote from headphonia..
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...I feel the E11 to have the least smooth mids of the bunch and the least refined of the bunch. But overlooking the slightly dry midrange, the sound signature is quite fun with a good punching bass and so I didn’t have problems enjoying the sound of the Fiio with less demanding music (i.e pop or alternative rock recordings that don’t have a good recording to begin with). And while the JDSLabs clearly have the more refined sound, I know that in portable situations many would put a greater weight on the Fiio’s more compact dimension...
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Headfonia $100 amp shootout

after so many amps by fiio, they cant even defeat a basic cmoy amp?
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solo hd is built for portable rig such as ipod/iphone. so actually it doesnot need an amp to push it. else if you want to have a lil change on the sound signature, then you can couple it with an amp. but i doubt you can hear the change of sound signature, because beats solo hd is not made for details/clarity sound sig, just for fun listening.

or... if you want to boost the bass, then amp will help you with bass control.

for me, it is not worth to get an amp for solo hd, because it easily driven by any portable audio player. unless you get audiophile grade headphone to couple the amp.

actually it is not useless. if you want extra bass for ur solo, amp with bass boost can help you to get that.

almost all amp can bass boost such as fiio e11, ordnance, etc... but if you think the bass is enough then just dont waste ur money to get an amp smile.gif because it just change lil of the sound sig for solo.

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QUOTE(calmshot @ Jul 5 2011, 06:52 PM)
solo hd is built for portable rig such as ipod/iphone. so actually it doesnot need an amp to push it. else if you want to have a lil change on the sound signature, then you can couple it with an amp. but i doubt you can hear the change of sound signature, because beats solo hd is not made for details/clarity sound sig, just for fun listening.

or... if you want to boost the bass, then amp will help you with bass control.

for me, it is not worth to get an amp for solo hd. unless you get audiophile grade headphone to couple the amp.
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Haha... So means adding an amp is useless.. Noted.. tongue.gif

QUOTE(calmshot @ Jul 5 2011, 06:58 PM)
actually it is not useless. if you want extra bass for ur solo, amp with bass boost can help you to get that.
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So which kind of amp can boost the bass? But i think the bass is enough tongue.gif

QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Jul 5 2011, 08:40 PM)
Hafto audition first then you will know if you really need an amp. I'm still looking for my first amp. Choose carefully.

At least for my case, I'm looking for warmer and more bass due to the sharpness/lower bass on my ES7.

Need to do more and more audition.
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Lol.. Where can i find those amps for audition.. @.@ rclxub.gif
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So which kind of amp can boost the bass? But i think the bass is enough tongue.gif
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i think the better question is - what is it you want to change with the current audio ? which part you wanna boost? then you can start looking for recommendations.
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Hi, looking to get a desktop amp for my beyer dt770 pro 250ohm.

What amps would you guys recommend? Preferably something < RM800 and also something with a warmer sound signature as currently i find the beyers a tad too bright.

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Need a recommendation for an amp to pair with my DT880/250. No real budget for now but in the range of RM500-1000, could spend a little bit more I guess. What I really want is an amp to improve DT880 recessed mids. Preferably solid state (tubes make my room go HOT).

And oh, it must be a desktop amp. Not interested in portables.
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QUOTE(hahariz @ Jul 6 2011, 11:09 PM)
Need a recommendation for an amp to pair with my DT880/250. No real budget for now but in the range of RM500-1000, could spend a little bit more I guess. What I really want is an amp to improve DT880 recessed mids. Preferably solid state (tubes make my room go HOT).

And oh, it must be a desktop amp. Not interested in portables.
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FiiO E7 + E9 combo.

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Just wondering, how would LittleDot MKiii sound on a dt880 and ms2?
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FiiO E7 + E9 combo.

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That combo is pretty neutral sounding and won't improve DT880s midrange.
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Just wondering, how would LittleDot MKiii sound on a dt880 and ms2?
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QUOTE(hahariz @ Jul 8 2011, 02:19 AM)
That combo is pretty neutral sounding and won't improve DT880s midrange.
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Hav you actually tried it hmm.gif It actually does improve the mids nod.gif

Where are you located hmm.gif
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Hi everyone,

Can anyone tell me, what do you all think about BEAT Monster headphone?
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Hav you actually tried it  hmm.gif  It actually does improve the mids  nod.gif
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The fact remains you had yet to try it, if you do come to Bukit Bintang area with your sources and your Beyer, willing to arrange for you to have a go at it biggrin.gif
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The fact remains you had yet to try it, if you do come to Bukit Bintang area with your sources and your Beyer, willing to arrange for you to have a go at it  biggrin.gif
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The fact is, have u actually tried the pairing of DT880 and E7+E9 urself? Or were u simply recommending just because u're selling them? lol.
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QUOTE(amyhs99 @ Jul 5 2011, 09:01 PM)
Lol.. Where can i find those amps for audition.. @.@ rclxub.gif
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I have tested Solo that came with HP Envy Beat Edition... if you talking about bass, I think there is no need for amp, the bass is already to high and you can feel the speaker pumping your eardrums already. Really can feel the driver vibrate with bass. I may call it dancing headphone.

QUOTE(eusioxn @ Jul 8 2011, 06:38 PM)
Hi everyone,

Can anyone tell me, what do you all think about BEAT Monster headphone?
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I think if you listening to hip hop, dance, trance (and alike), Beat really a good choice. For rock and pop... I did try the Solo... sound a little muddy.

Anyway, you should know that Beat was made by Dr. Dre and for sure the sound will follow his taste.
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hi all, need recommendations for best amp or dac+amp that costs less rm250..source is my notebook or mp3 player, wanna pair with my 2.0 speaker or yuin pk3..
any idea?

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QUOTE(barjoyai @ Jul 21 2011, 01:29 AM)
hi all, need recommendations for best amp or dac+amp that costs less rm250..source is my notebook or mp3 player, wanna pair with my 2.0 speaker or yuin pk3..
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I believe u will only have Fiio E7 as ur choice in that price range. Or try to look for some second-hand ibasso B2 boa.
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I believe u will only have Fiio E7 as ur choice in that price range. Or try to look for some second-hand ibasso B2 boa.
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any recommendation for a portable amp for ES7
currently thinking of starting low and go for FiiO E5
advice needed thanks

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i think the es7 should be quite easy to be driven
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QUOTE(thepawnzor @ Jul 14 2011, 08:51 PM)
The fact is, have u actually tried the pairing of DT880 and E7+E9 urself? Or were u simply recommending just because u're selling them? lol.
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Talk is cheap, experience is valuable. That is why the offer to try the combo.

QUOTE(Pewufod @ Jul 26 2011, 10:58 PM)
any recommendation for a portable amp for ES7
currently thinking of starting low and go for FiiO E5
advice needed thanks
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What is your source hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Pewufod @ Jul 26 2011, 10:58 PM)
any recommendation for a portable amp for ES7
currently thinking of starting low and go for FiiO E5
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Go for E11... E5 won't be able to drive ES7 (I think)

E11 give you more option, E5 have limited option. E11 sounded better, punchier bass and clear treble. I have both. Now I keep E5 in my drawer...
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amy : SHUD try HIPPO BOX FTW if wan bass n also neutral with no gain smile.gif

@the pawnrazor : chill, dun start biting each other pls, if u wan u cn also recomend hahariz ok, instead trolling or biting other ppl , thnx

eusixion : dude, this is amp thread not a headphone especially beats thread, try look around audiophile thread smile.gif type monster at the SEArch box icon_rolleyes.gif

duh2k : agree on ld2 with ms2 bro , i think ms cans need solid state n n tube will just slows down the already awesome speed of em cans right, at least i tried ms1 with tubey n it sounds slower n no more d grado aggressive ness, tames down n quite change

@pewu : would also suggest e11, but basicly fiio ampos for me is neutral n sometimes to digitalized , for me liao. my 2 cent, try go for govibe singles?
or maybe save up n look for justice for them es7 ? maybe a corda brows.gif or wud really suggest secret amp, portable + power enuf juice even 300ohm no hal + aggressive + pair nice with es7 brows.gif
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E11 give you more option, E5 have limited option. E11 sounded better, punchier bass and clear treble. I have both. Now I keep E5 in my drawer...
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sell me your E5 then biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 27 2011, 08:15 PM)
sell me your E5 then  biggrin.gif
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Not sure I gonna sell it or not... before I have 2 E5 and 1 E3... E3 already sold to someone here... 1 of my E5 borrowed by a friend and next day he just pay me for it.. now left 1 E5... wink.gif
Need to wait, I gonna ask my kids 1st, they want to use or not with their headphone... cool.gif
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QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 27 2011, 10:32 PM)
Not sure I gonna sell it or not...  before I have 2 E5 and 1 E3...  E3 already sold to someone here... 1 of my E5 borrowed by a friend and next day he just pay me for it.. now left 1 E5...  wink.gif
Need to wait, I gonna ask my kids 1st, they want to use or not with their headphone...  cool.gif
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WoW.. Cool... Remember me when you are trying to sell it man brows.gif


Added on July 27, 2011, 10:48 pmi was funding an AMP now.

Source : Smartphone (Current use HTC Incredible S & Nokia 5800) and also Desktop
Equipment : Sennheiser HD 437 (Going to upgrade but 1st, i would like to get an AMP 1st), AKG K331 and for desktop speaker were Altec Lansing VS4121
Requirement : I don't really care about portable or not as long as it pumps the sounds quality. and i think Fiio E7 is the best choice now but if have any others model or brand please advise
Budget : currently money in-hand only can afford the Fiio E5 sweat.gif , i need all pro here advise so that i can fund money to get the target. Not over than rm500

This post has been edited by Lennox: Jul 27 2011, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 27 2011, 10:40 PM)
WoW.. Cool... Remember me when you are trying to sell it man  brows.gif


Added on July 27, 2011, 10:48 pmi was funding an AMP now.

Source : Smartphone (Current use HTC Incredible S & Nokia 5800) and also Desktop
Equipment : Sennheiser HD 437 (Going to upgrade but 1st, i would like to get an AMP 1st), AKG K331 and for desktop speaker were Altec Lansing VS4121
Requirement : I don't really care about portable or not as long as it pumps the sounds quality. and i think Fiio E7 is the best choice now but if have any others model or brand please advise
Budget : currently money in-hand only can afford the Fiio E5  sweat.gif  , i need all pro here advise so that i can fund money to get the target. Not over than rm500
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im sure someone will suggest e11 icon_rolleyes.gif

actually what are the obvious differences between the JDS Cmoy and the E11 ar ?
im plannin to get either one
if its all smooth i will be getting the E11 from Jaben in time to come
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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 27 2011, 10:40 PM)
WoW.. Cool... Remember me when you are trying to sell it man  brows.gif


Added on July 27, 2011, 10:48 pmi was funding an AMP now.

Source : Smartphone (Current use HTC Incredible S & Nokia 5800) and also Desktop
Equipment : Sennheiser HD 437 (Going to upgrade but 1st, i would like to get an AMP 1st), AKG K331 and for desktop speaker were Altec Lansing VS4121
Requirement : I don't really care about portable or not as long as it pumps the sounds quality. and i think Fiio E7 is the best choice now but if have any others model or brand please advise
Budget : currently money in-hand only can afford the Fiio E5  sweat.gif  , i need all pro here advise so that i can fund money to get the target. Not over than rm500
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If want best for all.. CMOY.. with RM500, can buy 2 units... buy with rechargeable battery installed to save the environments. And yes E11 also can... never try hippo.
E7 good if you also use for desktop...

QUOTE(Pewufod @ Jul 27 2011, 10:55 PM)
im sure someone will suggest e11  icon_rolleyes.gif
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The best way is to test yourself... using your own source and headphone.... you can feel how much differences with and without the amp... using different amp too to get one that suitable...

I suggest you the head to KLAV show this weekend for own test...
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QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 27 2011, 11:15 PM)
If want best for all.. CMOY..  with RM500, can buy 2 units... buy with rechargeable battery installed to save the environments. And yes E11 also can...  never try hippo.
E7 good if you also use for desktop...
whistling.gif

The best way is to test yourself... using your own source and headphone.... you can feel how much differences with and without the amp... using different amp too to get one that suitable...

I suggest you the head to KLAV show this weekend for own test...
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did you hear before AVPRO PDVD-9208 Multimedia headphone ? is come with an AMP. but still around rm100 i can even found a seller selling rm50 2nd hand. how come so cheap hmm.gif the quality bad?
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QUOTE(Pewufod @ Jul 27 2011, 11:36 PM)
actually what are the obvious differences between the JDS Cmoy and the E11 ar ?
im plannin to get either one
if its all smooth i will be getting the E11 from Jaben in time to come
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Let hear from the expert...
http://www.headfonia.com/music-on-a-budget...-amps-shootout/

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Personally, this is how I’m going to lay out the recommendations:

JDSLabs CmoyBB – Love it. Warm, moderate pace, smooth and pleasing, great all rounder. Recommended.
PA2V2 – Love it. Clean sounding, linear, forward, engaging, awesome PRaT. Recommended.
Fiio E11 – Small and easy to use. The best portability factor. Fun sound.
Fiio E7 – Get the E11 instead if you don’t need the DAC.
Soundmagic A-10 – Good smooth sound is better than Fiio E11, but volume control design flaw makes it very hard to use day to day.
AMB Labs Mini 3 – Technical giant. Recommended for people looking for superb technicalities.


QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 27 2011, 11:40 PM)
did you hear before AVPRO PDVD-9208 Multimedia headphone ? is come with an AMP. but still around rm100 i can even found a seller selling rm50 2nd hand. how come so cheap  hmm.gif  the quality bad?
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never as I don't like multimedia headphone... those normally good for movie...

I think I have test it before at Carrefour... sound like 'budak2 ketuk tin'...

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QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 27 2011, 11:48 PM)
Let hear from the expert...
http://www.headfonia.com/music-on-a-budget...-amps-shootout/
never as I don't like multimedia headphone... those normally good for movie...

I think I have test it before at Carrefour...  sound like 'budak2 ketuk tin'...
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haha... thanks man.. i got it. E11 is the latest model for Fiio now?
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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 27 2011, 10:40 PM)
WoW.. Cool... Remember me when you are trying to sell it man  brows.gif


Added on July 27, 2011, 10:48 pmi was funding an AMP now.

Source : Smartphone (Current use HTC Incredible S & Nokia 5800) and also Desktop
Equipment : Sennheiser HD 437 (Going to upgrade but 1st, i would like to get an AMP 1st), AKG K331 and for desktop speaker were Altec Lansing VS4121
Requirement : I don't really care about portable or not as long as it pumps the sounds quality. and i think Fiio E7 is the best choice now but if have any others model or brand please advise
Budget : currently money in-hand only can afford the Fiio E5  sweat.gif  , i need all pro here advise so that i can fund money to get the target. Not over than rm500
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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 28 2011, 12:05 AM)
haha... thanks man.. i got it. E11 is the latest model for Fiio now?
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Yes... latest one... I read at Singapore forum, some forumer start selling E7 and get E11 instead... E11 was made for user that need normal amp without the DAC function. (that the reason I don't have E7, I don't need DAC, but when E11 out, I upgrade my E5)

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QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 28 2011, 12:25 AM)
Yes... latest one... I read at Singapore forum, some forumer start selling E7 and get E11 instead... E11 was made for user that need normal amp without the DAC function. (that the reason I don't have E7, I don't need DAC, but when E11 out, I upgrade my E5)
WOW... Corda  shocking.gif
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As i know DAC is Digital-to-analog converter. Search for it many times. Still not really understand, mind to give a short explanation? icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 28 2011, 12:28 AM)
As i know DAC is Digital-to-analog converter. Search for it many times. Still not really understand, mind to give a short explanation?  icon_question.gif
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Hmm... OK...

When you play a music on your PC, all are in digital format. (ie MP3, FLAC), your headphone is for sure is analog. Digital data sent to your headphone won't give you anything or maybe you can hear a white noise up and down. So the DAC is to convert those Digital sound to analog before it's goes to your headphone.

Your sound card can do this but not all sound card are good especially that already built-in on your PC/notebook. Most use cheap DAC chip.

BY using E7 or other DAC, that digital sound will be pass to E7 and not using your internal sound card. This will give a good Digital to analog conversion because, of-course you will choose a DAC with a good chips like PCM2704.


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QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 28 2011, 12:40 AM)
Hmm...  OK... 

When you play a music on your PC, all are in digital format. (ie MP3, FLAC), your headphone is for sure is analog. Digital data sent to your headphone won't give you anything or maybe you can hear a white noise up and down. So the DAC is to convert those Digital sound to analog before it's goes to your headphone.

Your sound card can do this but not all sound card are good especially that already built-in on your PC/notebook. Most use cheap DAC chip.

BY using E7 or other DAC, that digital sound will be pass to E7 and not using your internal sound card. This will give a good Digital to analog conversion because, of-course you will choose a DAC with a good chips like PCM2704.
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i see.. thanks a lot man.. most of the review i search all would suggest E11. still thinking both of them which to go now. biggrin.gif really thanks a lot about your help. notworthy.gif

Edit : Even much people suggest E11, the only thing i hesitating for both E11 and E7 is because E7 can be combine with the Fiio E9 to pump my desktop.

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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 28 2011, 12:55 AM)
i see.. thanks a lot man.. most of the review i search all would suggest E11. still thinking both of them which to go now.  biggrin.gif  really thanks a lot about your help.  notworthy.gif

Edit : Even much people suggest E11, the only thing i hesitating for both E11 and E7 is because E7 can be combine with the Fiio E9 to pump my desktop.
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Sample of USB DAC being discussed here in LYN http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1578682

There is a few seller selling this.

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- this one belong to my officemate. Improved version for headphone user.

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QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 28 2011, 01:07 AM)
Sample of USB DAC being discussed here in LYN http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1578682

There is a few seller selling this.

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hmm.gif i think i don't need the DAC function as my pc soundcard was Creative and it cost rm200++. chould have the DAC function. aiming E11 then biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 28 2011, 06:36 PM)
hmm.gif i think i don't need the DAC function as my pc soundcard was Creative and it cost rm200++. chould have the DAC function. aiming E11 then  biggrin.gif
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If you happy with creative then no point invest a new DAC. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 28 2011, 07:49 PM)
If you happy with creative then no point invest a new DAC.  biggrin.gif
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Yeah.. i satisfied with it since day 1.. rclxms.gif

so when u are willing to let go ur E-11 please remember me laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 28 2011, 08:28 PM)
Yeah.. i satisfied with it since day 1..   rclxms.gif

so when u are willing to let go ur E-11 please remember me  laugh.gif
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Ha ha.. E11 still new... not going to let go soon... not before I can afford some desktop amp.

with bro E1
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1868193&hl=

you can set time with him to test... really nice guy...

(don't forget to ask him to bring along AIAIAI TMA-1 for testing.. tangkap leleh nanti)

If you around KLCC can meet, I just nearby.
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QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 28 2011, 08:30 PM)
Ha ha..  E11 still new... not going to let go soon...  not before I can afford some desktop amp.
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laugh.gif Where you bought and how much? you know somewhere else i can test it around KL?

QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 28 2011, 08:40 PM)
with bro E1
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1868193&hl=

you can set time with him to test...  really nice guy...

(don't forget to ask him to bring along AIAIAI TMA-1 for testing.. tangkap leleh nanti)

If you around KLCC can meet, I just nearby.
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rclxms.gif is him, just bought an AKG K331 from him. But now i don't have that cash in hand. as i said my money in-hand now only can afford E-5 sweat.gif
so might not ask for testing from those seller. later i test tak beli. DeadMan spotted then blush.gif

You was always around KLCC?
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then how if i connect a portable player to an external dac? how does it works?

digital--->analog---->digital again---->analog again?
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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 28 2011, 08:43 PM)
You was always around KLCC?
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Just at kampung nearby... but only at night time...

QUOTE(jinj @ Jul 28 2011, 08:48 PM)
then how if i connect a portable player to an external dac? how does it works?

digital--->analog---->digital again---->analog again?
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External DAC still need to connect to PC.

From my understanding,
USBDAC is use your USB as the interface between PC and the DAC and to the headphone/speaker.

An external DAC basically has a coax or optical SPDIF input and analogue outputs, will converts a digital audio signal to an analogue signal. You could also use between the digital output on a DVD or CD player or media player.


Added on July 28, 2011, 11:42 pmCypher Labs AlgoRhythm Solo Black
$579.00

cost a bomb...
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QUOTE(jinj @ Jul 28 2011, 08:48 PM)
then how if i connect a portable player to an external dac? how does it works?

digital--->analog---->digital again---->analog again?
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It would depend on whether your player is capable of bypassing it's own internal dac. An example would be the use of the CLAS (can't rmb what it stands for) + iphone


QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 28 2011, 08:51 PM)
i thought DAC only works for PC? hahaha... i'm a noob here.. just started to be or maybe trying to be an Audiophile  tongue.gif
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All media players that involve the conversion of digital files (mp3, wav, flac) to sound (via headphones/speakers) require a DAC inside.

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QUOTE(jinj @ Jul 28 2011, 08:48 PM)
then how if i connect a portable player to an external dac? how does it works?

digital--->analog---->digital again---->analog again?
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You do not need a DAC for your portable player. By the way, what player is that hmm.gif
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QUOTE(jinj @ Jul 28 2011, 08:48 PM)
then how if i connect a portable player to an external dac? how does it works?

digital--->analog---->digital again---->analog again?
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i thought DAC only works for PC? hahaha... i'm a noob here.. just started to be or maybe trying to be an Audiophile tongue.gif

QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Jul 28 2011, 10:11 PM)
You do not need a DAC for your portable player.  By the way, what player is that  hmm.gif
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which means i also do not need a DAC for my smartphone as well? smile.gif
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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 28 2011, 10:24 PM)
which means i also do not need a DAC for my smartphone as well?  smile.gif
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DAC is only for PC use with exception of the Fostex HP-P1 taking digital audio out from iPod / iPhone / iPad.

By the way, the E5 is already EOL, to be replaced by E6 in September brows.gif

QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 28 2011, 11:36 PM)
From my understanding,
USBDAC is use your USB as the interface between PC and the DAC and to the headphone/speaker.

An external DAC basically has a coax or optical SPDIF input and analogue outputs, will converts a digital audio signal to an analogue signal. You could also use between the digital output on a DVD or CD player or media player.


Added on July 28, 2011, 11:42 pmCypher Labs AlgoRhythm Solo Black
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Typical of FiiO, quality at very reasonable price. Introducing the D3.

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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Jul 28 2011, 10:28 PM)
DAC is only for PC use with exception of the Fostex HP-P1 taking digital audio out from iPod / iPhone / iPad.

By the way, the E5 is already EOL, to be replaced by E6 in September  brows.gif
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E6 aaaaa???? hmm.gif was currently aiming E-11 now. should wait and see the E6 then tongue.gif
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QUOTE(duh2k @ Jul 28 2011, 10:11 PM)
It would depend on whether your player is capable of bypassing it's own internal dac.  An example would be the use of the CLAS (can't rmb what it stands for) + iphone
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jul 28 2011, 11:22 PM)
Cypher Labs Algorhythm Solo
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Thanks bro! I remembered the C,L and S but wasn't sure if the A stood for Awesome or something else smile.gif
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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Jul 29 2011, 12:04 AM)
Typical of FiiO, quality at very reasonable price.  Introducing the D3.
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I saw this in Fiio website. My 1st impression was, the usb is to connect to a pc and become the USB DAC but when look at the Spec, it mean for power only.

D5 is the actual USBDAC from fiio.

Bro E1, any idea when D5 and E10 is out. Look promising products.

E6 don't have clips.. but can hang...

D5 have a sound input function... more for gamers but still can be use as usbdac for sure.

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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 28 2011, 10:43 PM)
E6 aaaaa????  hmm.gif  was currently aiming E-11 now. should wait and see the E6 then  tongue.gif
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E6 is an E5 replacement, not in the league of the E11 blush.gif

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QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 29 2011, 12:30 AM)
I saw this in Fiio website. My 1st impression was, the usb is to connect to a pc and become the USB DAC but when look at the Spec, it mean for power only.

D5 is the actual USBDAC from fiio.
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Bro, the D5 is a totally different animal. It is a dedicated gamers' USB/DAC.

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Akan Datang hmm.gif

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QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 29 2011, 06:20 PM)
E6 don't have clips..  but can hang...

D5 have a sound input function... more for gamers but still can be use as usbdac for sure.
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If you are looking for a higher grade USB/DAC, this is for you. The FiiO E10, akan datang!

Description:

E10 is design to use with PC, Notebook, and anyother audio source wich have USB digital output, provide better sound

quality and easy to use.

Main feacture:

1, Support up to 96K/24bit USB decode.

2, Line out,

3, Coaxial out,

4, Headphone Out,

5, Bass boost.

6, Gain switcher.

7, Full metal case.

8, Powered by USB only.

9, Alps potentionmeter.

10, USB receiveer + Individual DAC + headphone amp

11, Clean power supply design

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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Jul 28 2011, 11:33 PM)
E6 is an E5 replacement, not in the league of the E11   blush.gif

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you say so, i would stay my target as E11 now flex.gif

QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Jul 29 2011, 09:32 AM)
Bro, the D5 is a totally different animal.  It is a dedicated gamers' USB/DAC.

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For gamer? why you say so? is it anything special function inside is benefit to gamer?
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It does have the functions like Razer Megalodon etc. With the usb in, coax out and mics galore.

What is DAC?
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In electronics, a digital-to-analog converter (DAC or D-to-A) is a device that converts a digital (usually binary) code to an analog signal (current, voltage, or electric charge). An analog-to-digital converter (ADC) performs the reverse operation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital-to-analog_converter

Guys, feel free to share your DACs previews, reviews and recommendations here.

For seekers, feel free to ask it here and use the format as below.

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Equipment : Existing amp, amp/dac, headphones/earphones/IEM
Requirement : USB (Portable), Tube, etc
Budget : 500-1000
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E1- AKG's FiiO DAC/Amp Price Guide
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I have a desktop DAC...

you might consider it for it's quality sound.
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post Jul 29 2011, 04:20 PM

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quite hard...i guess portable dac within ur budget is fio e7 or ibasso (cant remember which model)
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post Jul 29 2011, 04:23 PM

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Ibasso D2 boa+
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post Jul 29 2011, 04:26 PM

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Yup I expected it to be hard. LOL. No harm done trying right. Tested FiiO E7, didnt really like it. Ibasso got? Will search for it.

Am checking on FiiO D3 aswell. Maybe bro E1-AKG can enlighten us.
I might also try the DIY USBDac. Looks cute.

Thanks for supporting this thread guys. biggrin.gif


Added on July 29, 2011, 4:29 pm
QUOTE(draco @ Jul 29 2011, 04:23 PM)
Ibasso D2 boa+
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Awesome! Thanks!

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post Jul 29 2011, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Jul 29 2011, 04:26 PM)
Yup I expected it to be hard. LOL. No harm done trying right. Tested FiiO E7, didnt really like it. Ibasso got? Will search for it.

Am checking on FiiO D3 aswell. Maybe bro E1-AKG can enlighten us.
I might also try the DIY USBDac. Looks cute.

Thanks for supporting this thread guys. biggrin.gif


Added on July 29, 2011, 4:29 pm
Awesome! Thanks!
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but it is slightly above your budget... or u can try the ordnance dac-1
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post Jul 29 2011, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(draco @ Jul 29 2011, 04:39 PM)
but it is slightly above your budget... or u can try the ordnance dac-1
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Well I did consider Ibasso D2 Boa+ long time ago but I suddenly forgot about it. Distracted with amplifiers.
Didnt know the existence of Ordnance DAC-1. I only know the .22 / .25 amp versions. Will check on it if I can find one.
Theres also GoVibe USB DAC for the budget.

Am checking on reviews for the mentioned products. Keep it coming guys! Thanks!


Added on July 29, 2011, 5:08 pm
QUOTE(santik @ Jul 29 2011, 03:58 PM)
I have a desktop DAC...

you might consider it for it's quality sound.
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Sorry missed out your post. Mind share some infos on your desktop DAC? Thanks.

This post has been edited by EightPhantomz: Jul 29 2011, 05:08 PM
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post Jul 29 2011, 08:13 PM

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I need DAC for my ksc75 pcwork recabled as well.

Source : Laptop
Equipment :Koss KSC-75 PcWork recabled
Requirement : USB is better, I planned laptop -> DAC -> E5 amp -> earphone
Budget : better < Rm300~350

Note : I prefer DAC that can further push the mids smile.gif
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post Jul 29 2011, 08:45 PM

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if for PC...
i recommend DACport...
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oops...
sorry missed out the budget part...
hahahahah...

but it's good!!!
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 29 2011, 08:45 PM)
if for PC...
i recommend DACport...
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RM1.5k
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post Jul 29 2011, 09:09 PM

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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 29 2011, 09:45 PM)
if for PC...
i recommend DACport...
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Jul 29 2011, 09:50 PM)
RM1.5k
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 29 2011, 09:51 PM)
oops...
sorry missed out the budget part...
hahahahah...

but it's good!!!
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Haha, which expensive stuffs not good ? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Jul 29 2011, 09:09 PM)
Haha, which expensive stuffs not good ?  laugh.gif
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true oso...
hahahaha...
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erk?
u who la?
the fella looking for DAC? with the friend who bought the ES55?

Good stuff must share2 la...
luckily i m not crazy enuff to get the Lavry...
haahahaha...
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 29 2011, 08:51 PM)
oops...
sorry missed out the budget part...
hahahahah...

but it's good!!!
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bro xandman always poison everyone with DACport, he did that to me too when we met at jaben. tongue.gif
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give audisnt hud mx-1 a shot, pretty good dac/amp combo
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post Jul 29 2011, 11:22 PM

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bro xandman. u pair ur dacport with what phones?
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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Jul 29 2011, 05:07 PM)
Well I did consider Ibasso D2 Boa+ long time ago but I suddenly forgot about it. Distracted with amplifiers.
Didnt know the existence of Ordnance DAC-1. I only know the .22 / .25 amp versions. Will check on it if I can find one.
Theres also GoVibe USB DAC for the budget.

Am checking on reviews for the mentioned products. Keep it coming guys! Thanks!


Added on July 29, 2011, 5:08 pm
Sorry missed out your post. Mind share some infos on your desktop DAC? Thanks.
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My DAC is DAC7010, goes to my own built ampto my W5000.

Google that up. DAC7010.
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post Jul 29 2011, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Jul 29 2011, 08:13 PM)
I need DAC for my ksc75 pcwork recabled as well.

Source : Laptop
Equipment :Koss KSC-75 PcWork recabled
Requirement : USB is better, I planned laptop -> DAC -> E5 amp -> earphone
Budget : better < Rm300~350

Note : I prefer DAC that can further push the mids smile.gif
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if u using pcwork recabled ksc75,try finding govibe dac..
skip the amp will do..
it's even less than the budget u could afford..
but it's a bit hard to find now..
buit can get 2nd hand.

Just find Jaben for the solution ..
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sry for my lack of knowledge...i m using an ipod, and i tot that the chip which produce the sound inside it is call a DAC...lol...

so can anyone correct my previous equation?
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post Jul 30 2011, 12:15 AM

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Yup... I waiting for this... I did ask you when this available in post #148 laugh.gif

I also posted E10 pic in my facebook wall rclxms.gif

QUOTE(jinj @ Jul 30 2011, 12:04 AM)
sry for my lack of knowledge...i m using an ipod, and i tot that the chip which produce the sound inside it is call a DAC...lol...

so can anyone correct my previous equation?
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You're right about that... use Wolfson DAC .
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post Jul 30 2011, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(santik @ Jul 29 2011, 11:38 PM)
My DAC is DAC7010, goes to my own built ampto my W5000.

Google that up. DAC7010.
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Is this the one?
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Wah so big bro!

I'm looking for portable. For office use.

But still, thanks for the intro. New stuff for newbie like me!

For starters, I will get one of the DIY USB DAC. Start small first. LOL. Will try to write a review after getting it.
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guys i have a situation here, currently i own a Samsung Galaxy S2 and pair it with MylarOne Bijou 3. The problem is that i am not statisfied with the amount of bass produce, is there any portable amp that can boost the bass to a good level.

Thanks.
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post Jul 30 2011, 03:00 AM

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seriously theres a huge difference between E5 and E11 while i plug them separately and compare?

QUOTE(Gh-x @ Jul 30 2011, 02:43 AM)
guys i have a situation here, currently i own a Samsung Galaxy S2 and pair it with MylarOne Bijou 3. The problem is that i am not statisfied with the amount of bass produce, is there any portable amp that can boost the bass to a good level.

Thanks.
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new set MylarOne Bijou 3?
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post Jul 30 2011, 03:05 AM

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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 30 2011, 02:34 AM)
seriously theres a huge difference between E5 and E11 while i plug them separately and compare?
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Why not u try and tell us? I've tried E11 and it is a good enough amp for its price range. Cant say much for E5 since I never tried it.


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QUOTE(Gh-x @ Jul 30 2011, 02:43 AM)
guys i have a situation here, currently i own a Samsung Galaxy S2 and pair it with MylarOne Bijou 3. The problem is that i am not statisfied with the amount of bass produce, is there any portable amp that can boost the bass to a good level.

Thanks.
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Your budget?

QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 30 2011, 03:00 AM)
new set  MylarOne Bijou 3?
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Its a headphone.

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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Jul 30 2011, 03:05 AM)
Why not u try and tell us? I've tried E11 and it is a good enough amp for its price range. Cant say much for E5 since I never tried it.


Added on July 30, 2011, 3:07 am

Your budget?
Its a headphone.
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of course i wanna try it out but where can i try around KL? i shop for so long in KLCC and Pavi today but cant find also.

and i know that MylarOne Bijou 3 is a headphone, just asking wherether is new or old which already done burn-in a lot biggrin.gif
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anyway interest to buy fiio D3 ? i going to get 1 ~
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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 30 2011, 03:36 AM)
of course i wanna try it out but where can i try around KL? i shop for so long in KLCC and Pavi today but cant find also.

and i know that  MylarOne Bijou 3 is a headphone, just asking wherether is new or old which already done burn-in a lot  biggrin.gif
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you go to Pavi why not got to KLAV show at JW Marriot, just next to Pavi only... I heard Jaben bring so many amp there for testing.
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Can try Jaben Network in Subang SS15 opposite AsiaCafe. Or you can go to their booth OR any other Audiophiles booth at KL AV 2011, JW Marriott.
Refer to this thread: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1973253

OR, you can PM E1 - AKG.

QUOTE(vex @ Jul 30 2011, 03:41 AM)
anyway interest to buy fiio D3 ? i going to get 1 ~
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How much is it? From bro E1 - AKG?
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can try Go-Vibe USB DAC. brows.gif
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QUOTE(Alpoyoz @ Jul 29 2011, 11:22 PM)
bro xandman. u pair ur dacport with what phones?
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i use it with Beyer DT1350, Westone UM3x and Westone ES3x.
Before this also with AT ESW9...

sometimes i use it without an amp...sometimes i connect it to an amp...

yes it can!
thats what i heard...
bcoz some say it can even drive the T1...
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yeah man...
bcoz after dacport...there's only...
LAVRY!

poisoning is good!!
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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 30 2011, 03:36 AM)
of course i wanna try it out but where can i try around KL? i shop for so long in KLCC and Pavi today but cant find also.

and i know that  MylarOne Bijou 3 is a headphone, just asking wherether is new or old which already done burn-in a lot  biggrin.gif
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Try Tong Lee at LowYat Plaza, ask for Jenny.
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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Jul 30 2011, 03:57 AM)
How much is it? From bro E1 - AKG?
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no, direct from amazon ~
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 30 2011, 06:16 AM)
i use it with Beyer DT1350, Westone UM3x and Westone ES3x.
Before this also with AT ESW9...

sometimes i use it without an amp...sometimes i connect it to an amp...
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wow. nice.. then dacport is really a great dac. maybe it can drive hd800 too. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 30 2011, 11:16 AM)
yes it can!
thats what i heard...
bcoz some say it can even drive the T1...
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wow.. then dacport is the best bang for buck u can get. thumbup.gif

what i can talked about.. dacport pair well with hd650 + symphonica rclxm9.gif

should post up another great dac on the 1st page. which is lavry da11 drool.gif .
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QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 30 2011, 03:44 AM)
you go to Pavi why not got to KLAV show at JW Marriot, just next to Pavi only...  I heard Jaben bring so many amp there for testing.
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Added on July 30, 2011, 1:11 pm
QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Jul 30 2011, 03:48 AM)
Can try Jaben Network in Subang SS15 opposite AsiaCafe. Or you can go to their booth OR any other Audiophiles booth at KL AV 2011, JW Marriott.
Refer to this thread: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1973253

OR, you can PM E1 - AKG.
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sweat.gif i don't even know got such event over there. missed ohmy.gif

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anyone know how to built buffalo DAC???
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Its until tomorrow what? Go go go! Hehe.

This DAC Port does look unique or weird, depends to who and how you look at it. LOL.

xandman, can share the pix here? Want to see the size. wink.gif

Ah on second thought, nvm xandman. I found older review in LYN. Gonna put the link at the first post. Thanks for mentioning it! Or poisoning us with it! LOL.

QUOTE(jay @ Jul 30 2011, 01:50 PM)
anyone know how to built buffalo DAC???
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I've found an old thread here. https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1665779 Maybe you can revive the thread by asking there. wink.gif


Added on July 30, 2011, 2:43 pmCentrance DAC Port LYN and Head-Fi reviews with pic posted at first post. Thank you for the recommendation. Keep it coming! biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Jul 30 2011, 03:05 AM)

Your budget?
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Around RM100 to 200.
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hey guys
how does hippo box+ compare to e11 if we put the price aside ?
im curious since not much have recommended the hippo, most recommended the e11 instead

is the amp in zune hd good enough ? too bad theres no LOD for the zune hd though ;/
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QUOTE(Lennox @ Jul 30 2011, 01:10 PM)

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sweat.gif  i don't even know got such event over there. missed  ohmy.gif
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I did mention in post #414.

I went there today and have a great.

Hippo around RM260
Fiio E11 around 235

Ops... eye too tired already after few hours at KLAV.... not read properly.. sad.gif

no hippo there.. canot test...

Offcourse too much different.. E11 can drive my SRH440 really good but E5 will not (at least to my level of hearing, I like my music to be loud, mostly heavy rock).. E5 won't give good response to music like that.

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Ok guys, I got 3 amp tested tonight, E3, E5 (bass boost on) and E11 (high gain, EQ 2). Volume I put almost at same level.

Genre: Easy Listening
Song: Allan Taylor - 01 - Colour to the Moon.flac
E3: Less bass, boost more on mid and high... not really pleasant to my ears.
E5: More bass, a little boost on mid and high... fine for me.
E11: Better bass, mid and high... can feel bass separated from others.

Genre: Rock
Song: Metallica - For Whom the Bell Tolls.flac
E3: Bass, mid and high boosted together. Mid is really clear.
E5: Bass boost is good, a little boost on mid and less on high.
E11: Bass Boost is punchy, mid and high balance.

Genre: Pop
Song: 09. The Lady In My Life - Michael Jackson.flac
E3: Bass boosted, but more on mid. Mid make low and high not so clear.
E5: Bass boost is good, a more on mid and less on high. But better than E3
E11: Bass Boost is good, mid and high balance.

Genre: Classical
Song: 01 - Mozart- Violin Concerto no. 4 in D major, KV 218 - Allegro.flac
E3, E5 and E11: Balance in all. I can listen in pleasure with any of the amp. I can feel, I was in live show.

Genre: Wes Coast
Song: 07 - Dr. Dre - What's The Difference.flac
E3: Bass boost not so good, sound like broken speaker, mid is low. high a bit shallow.
E5: same like E3.
E11: Bass Boost a little better, mid and high same as E3 and E5.

Genre: Test sound
Song: 11 - Ultrasone production - Feuerwerk 2002 (soundclip - excerpt, Ultrasone production).flac - It's Firework sound.
E3: All firework was fired next to me. Not so real, can't determine the distance.
E5: Some firework was fired next to me.
E11: I can hear the distance between firework. Feel like the firework burned outside my house now. Some are fired behind me.
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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Jul 30 2011, 01:39 PM)
Its until tomorrow what? Go go go! Hehe.
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Too bad i can't go KL anymore due to personal reason until September sad.gif
But E1 bro willing to let me try. Will try from him some others day rclxms.gif such a good seller

QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 30 2011, 11:02 PM)
Hippo around RM260
Fiio E11 around 235
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sweat.gif he just said " put the price aside". BTW, i do interesting on listening some comparison between both of them too icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 30 2011, 11:14 PM)
Ops... eye too tired already after few hours at KLAV.... not read properly.. sad.gif

no hippo there.. canot test...
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hehehe.. i thought suppose is your ears tired? biggrin.gif you must be really enjoy yourself over there bro.
There's really big different between Fiio E5 and E11 while you listen to them separately? Although that is a big different between it's cost

QUOTE(nordingh @ Jul 30 2011, 11:43 PM)
Offcourse too much different.. E11 can drive my SRH440 really good but E5 will not (at least to my level of hearing, I like my music to be loud, mostly heavy rock).. E5 won't give good response to music like that.
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biggrin.gif thanks for the confirmation bro. notworthy.gif my audiophiles' life has been start cool.gif
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Source : Alienware M14x, Sansa Clip+
Equipment : ATH-ES7
Requirement : Portable
Budget : 500-1000


Though the budget is upto RM1000, half of it might be used for an amp. Hence the "500 to 1000" statement.

Thanks in advance!


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QUOTE(kamemada @ Jul 31 2011, 09:37 PM)
Source : Alienware M14x, Sansa Clip+
Equipment : ATH-ES7
Requirement : Portable
Budget : 500-1000


Though the budget is upto RM1000, half of it might be used for an amp. Hence the "500 to 1000" statement.

Thanks in advance!
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what kind of sound sig you like ?
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QUOTE(kamemada @ Jul 31 2011, 08:37 PM)
Source : Alienware M14x, Sansa Clip+
Equipment : ATH-ES7
Requirement : Portable
Budget : 500-1000


Though the budget is upto RM1000, half of it might be used for an amp. Hence the "500 to 1000" statement.

Thanks in advance!
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u might need to take a look at Ibasso D6 or D12 which is around 1k but then i strongly recommend u to try Dacport which is very good dac with class A amp...

However, Dacport's price is 1.5k..
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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Jul 31 2011, 08:55 PM)
what kind of sound sig you like ?
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Hmmm... louder? Or issit bolder? Not sure if they have these terms. My ES7 is already clear which I love. Whichever that can boost my built-in SC on the lappy.


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QUOTE(draco @ Jul 31 2011, 09:21 PM)
u might need to take a look at Ibasso D6 or D12 which is around 1k but then i strongly recommend u to try Dacport which is very good dac with class A amp...

However, Dacport's price is 1.5k..
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Bro, if I go for this Dacport, issit enough for my lappy? I can fork out that extra 500 if I dont need to add any amp to it.

Haha damn! Poisoned already.

Can recommend other brands and models at the price range lower than Dacport? Maybe not as good as Dacport but close lah.

I will go and audition these DACs before buying.

Ahh just notice got post about this dacport at first page. Gonna research first! tongue.gif


Added on July 31, 2011, 10:14 pmOk noted draco! Thanks!

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QUOTE(kamemada @ Jul 31 2011, 09:50 PM)
Hmmm... louder? Or issit bolder? Not sure if they have these terms. My ES7 is already clear which I love. Whichever that can boost my built-in SC on the lappy.


Added on July 31, 2011, 9:52 pm

Bro, if I go for this Dacport, issit enough for my lappy? I can fork out that extra 500 if I dont need to add any amp to it.
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dacport can drive ur es7 for sure. even it can drive my hd650 up to a good level. no need power cord summore. dosnt it good enough? thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(kamemada @ Jul 31 2011, 09:50 PM)
Bro, if I go for this Dacport, issit enough for my lappy? I can fork out that extra 500 if I dont need to add any amp to it.
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Has an integrated Class A amp. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Jul 31 2011, 10:02 PM)
Has an integrated Class A amp. biggrin.gif
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im a lil bit confused..
what does it mean by integrated Class A amp?
meaning DACport is DAC + AMP?
it doesn't need to pair with other amp?
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QUOTE(sheenho @ Jul 31 2011, 10:26 PM)
im a lil bit confused..
what does it mean by integrated Class A amp?
meaning DACport is DAC + AMP?
it doesn't need to pair with other amp?
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It just means it does not just function as a standalone DAC, it has a amplifier rated class A, so you don't need to slap on an additional amplifier. biggrin.gif (I'll leave the technical bits and parts for someone else to explain tongue.gif)

Oh? Tested the Jade series bro?
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QUOTE(sheenho @ Jul 31 2011, 10:26 PM)
im a lil bit confused..
what does it mean by integrated Class A amp?
meaning DACport is DAC + AMP?
it doesn't need to pair with other amp?
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Yes, you're correct! biggrin.gif

Revised request for wife:

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Equipment : Audio-Technica CKM90
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Budget : 500-1000

Thanks!
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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Jul 31 2011, 10:30 PM)
It just means it does not just function as a standalone DAC, it has a amplifier rated class A, so you don't need to slap on an additional amplifier. biggrin.gif (I'll leave the technical bits and parts for someone else to explain tongue.gif)
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after reading the reviews of this 'cigar', it's really tempting to get one..
but need to try it out first..
gona ask Jaben Pg whether they have this 'cigar'.. tongue.gif

how does it sound?
and the price?
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I hear that the Dacport is very good for that price and size. Currently i m hook to the new Porta Tubes.

QUOTE(nordingh @ Aug 1 2011, 01:09 AM)
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Ok guys, I got 3 amp tested tonight, E3, E5 (bass boost on) and E11 (high gain, EQ 2). Volume I put almost at same level.

Genre: Easy Listening
Song: Allan Taylor - 01 - Colour to the Moon.flac
E3: Less bass, boost more on mid and high...  not really pleasant to my ears.
E5: More bass, a little boost on mid and high... fine for me.
E11: Better bass, mid and high... can feel bass separated from others.

Genre: Rock
Song: Metallica - For Whom the Bell Tolls.flac
E3: Bass, mid and high boosted together. Mid is really clear.
E5: Bass boost is good, a little boost on mid and less on high.
E11: Bass Boost is punchy, mid and high balance.

Genre: Pop
Song: 09. The Lady In My Life - Michael Jackson.flac
E3: Bass boosted, but more on mid. Mid make low and high not so clear.
E5: Bass boost is good, a more on mid and less on high. But better than E3
E11: Bass Boost is good, mid and high balance.

Genre: Classical
Song: 01 - Mozart- Violin Concerto no. 4 in D major, KV 218 - Allegro.flac
E3, E5 and E11: Balance in all. I can listen in pleasure with any of the amp. I can feel, I was in live show.

Genre: Wes Coast
Song: 07 - Dr. Dre - What's The Difference.flac
E3: Bass boost not so good, sound like broken speaker, mid is low. high a bit shallow.
E5: same like E3.
E11: Bass Boost a little better, mid and high same as E3 and E5.

Genre: Test sound
Song: 11 - Ultrasone production - Feuerwerk 2002 (soundclip - excerpt, Ultrasone production).flac - It's Firework sound.
E3: All firework was fired next to me. Not so real, can't determine the distance.
E5: Some firework was fired next to me.
E11: I can hear the distance between firework. Feel like the firework burned outside my house now. Some are fired behind me.
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Wow this is a very detail review there..haha... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(kamemada @ Jul 31 2011, 09:50 PM)
Hmmm... louder? Or issit bolder? Not sure if they have these terms. My ES7 is already clear which I love. Whichever that can boost my built-in SC on the lappy.


Added on July 31, 2011, 9:52 pm

Bro, if I go for this Dacport, issit enough for my lappy? I can fork out that extra 500 if I dont need to add any amp to it.
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yes.. as mentioned by Enigmatic and Alpoyoz... its actually quite powerful to drive any headphones.. i was quite surprised by the capability it can produced.. smile.gif


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QUOTE(kamemada @ Jul 31 2011, 10:09 PM)
Haha damn! Poisoned already.

Can recommend other brands and models at the price range lower than Dacport? Maybe not as good as Dacport but close lah.

I will go and audition these DACs before buying.
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Ibasso D6 or D12... but trust me.. once u tried dacport... u will know the difference already..

QUOTE(sheenho @ Jul 31 2011, 10:48 PM)
how does it sound?
and the price?
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its 1.55k

how does it sound? its very subjective but i can tell you that the sound produce by dacport is very natural..

i have tried it pairing with my own DT880 together with Edge Amp..
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QUOTE(kamemada @ Jul 31 2011, 10:09 PM)
Haha damn! Poisoned already.

Can recommend other brands and models at the price range lower than Dacport? Maybe not as good as Dacport but close lah.

I will go and audition these DACs before buying.
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Apart from the DACport...
the only DAC that comes close would be the D6 Fer de lance...
And maybe the D12...never heard it before...

but if u listening off a computer....
Nothing beats the DACport! brows.gif

The DACport is neutral...no coloration to the sound...so u can even feed it to your favourite amp!

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ok enuff poison for the night!
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QUOTE(draco @ Jul 31 2011, 11:01 PM)
its 1.55k

how does it sound? its very subjective but i can tell you that the sound produce by dacport is very natural..

i have tried it pairing with my own DT880 together with Edge Amp..
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err.. sorry bro, i was referring to Porta Tube in my previous post.. blush.gif

anyways, thanks for the reply..

hi folks, im currently using GoVibe USB DAC..
how is the PCM2702 different from WM8740?
i mean, in sound quality..
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QUOTE(jay @ Jul 30 2011, 01:50 PM)
anyone know how to built buffalo DAC???
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I have build 2, it is not hard to do it. You can visit their web site and have a look. All sort of modules are available for you to choose: I/V conversion, SPDIF selector, Volume control, power.....
I suggest you to read the integration document, it covered all and very clear and straight forward.
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QUOTE(sheenho @ Jul 31 2011, 11:11 PM)
err.. sorry bro, i was referring to Porta Tube in my previous post..  blush.gif

anyways, thanks for the reply..
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WOW!! 630 USD compare to dacport which is 399 USD shakehead.gif . (i cant afford it biggrin.gif )

biggrin.gif . yes. its good to start from bottom. but its not always the best way rite. upgrading cost more that getting it from the start. But in the end, it depends smile.gif .

Any1 can also try a 2ndhand dac. atleast ur loss is not that much brows.gif .

icon_rolleyes.gif .

Yup. Getting a headphone 1st is always a better way. Cos u got a dac rite. & d best way is wait for jaben bundle. For sure its d best bang for buck. But sometime it dosnt come with the phone that u want. So its depend on luck. icon_rolleyes.gif .

im also looking for 1. & this come in 1st place

http://www.moon-audio.com/cardas-clear-ser...-cable-372.html

or maybe this is good enough

http://www.audioconnect.com/html/kimber_usb_cable.html

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no 1 bring HDP in?

had u ever tried dacport before? how do u compare vs HDP? (symphonica-ed setup)

http://www.head-fi.org/products/centrance-...one-amp/reviews

both got +ve & -ve.. no 1 wins rclxm9.gif

dacport got less headroom, less input but portable & no hiss prob.
hdp got hiss prob with iem, need power supply but more input & headroom.

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QUOTE(Alpoyoz @ Jul 31 2011, 11:48 PM)
WOW!! 630 USD compare to dacport which is 399 USD  shakehead.gif . (i cant afford it  biggrin.gif )
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The thing is, that amp selling like a hot cake!

i like my maverick D1.. got loads of combo to choose from... and best bang for bucks....
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LMAO! DACPort poisoning again. Keep it slow la guys. Give newbies like us the chance to understand and familiarized with DAC first. LOL.

I mean, go straight to the best like DAC Port no fun what. Then you stop and nothing much to do already. At the end we get bored, sell the DAC Port and change to new hobby. Hehe.

Thats why I start with DIY-type one. Because seriously, I dunno anything about DAC before about a week ago. LOL.

And some more I'm waiting for my first headamp also. So I'm taking it very slowly. Hehehe.

As for now, I have completed my "audiophile starter kit". rclxm9.gif LOL.

Waiting for my DIY-type DAC and amp to arrive at my doorstep. cool.gif

Great reviews there nordingh! thumbup.gif Should put at the first post. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Aug 1 2011, 01:15 AM)
Great reviews there nordingh! thumbup.gif Should put at the first post. biggrin.gif
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No need la... sweat.gif

If I got time I will test with MP3 file later... but FLAC is the best to test actually.

Yes.. feature your C30, which is awesome.
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thumbup.gif Great Review thumbup.gif

Erm... for better SQ i would suggest u try other headphone?
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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Aug 1 2011, 12:01 AM)
I mean, go straight to the best like DAC Port no fun what. Then you stop and nothing much to do already. At the end we get bored, sell the DAC Port and change to new hobby. Hehe.
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The DACport is no where near the best.. there's still alot better DACs than the DACport.

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QUOTE(nordingh @ Aug 1 2011, 01:42 AM)
No need la...  sweat.gif

If I got time I will test with MP3 file later... but FLAC is the best to test actually.
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I'm waiting for that test biggrin.gif

nice review for that bro rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(sheenho @ Aug 1 2011, 12:53 PM)
hi folks, im currently using GoVibe USB DAC..
how is the PCM2702 different from WM8740?
i mean, in sound quality..
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wanna let go ? sell me cheap cheap tongue.gif

Maybe should add go-vibe usb dac for budget Rm250 people laugh.gif

just use the quote for breaking each section will do i think.

dac has many price range indeed, for rm500 u got ibasso d2 boa sweat.gif

include desktop as well for better guidance tongue.gif

audio gd compass ,

yulong dah1 dac ....

but the price i not too sure la laugh.gif

you don't mind copy pasta link from head-fi?
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The word "best" was intentionally put as if I assumed it is almost at the end of the tunnel for portable DAC. Forgive me if I offended you guys.

After all, I'm still waiting for my first DAC ever. And its a DIY USB DAC. Who am I to say what is the best. LOL.

Please recommend more products with reviews backing it up. And among its price range also. I will put it in the first post for reference. thumbup.gif

For me, by the price, DAC Port seems likely to be the end of tunnel for me. LOL. My wife would cut my throat.

QUOTE(Lennox @ Aug 1 2011, 12:09 PM)
I'm waiting for that test  biggrin.gif 

nice review for that bro  rclxms.gif
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Based on his test, you can already decide on which to buy. wink.gif

QUOTE(sheenho @ Aug 1 2011, 11:53 AM)
hi folks, im currently using GoVibe USB DAC..
how is the PCM2702 different from WM8740?
i mean, in sound quality..
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I'm new about this too and would appreciate if taiko can explain the difference.

As far as I know, almost all DAP/PMP (IDevice, Sansa etc) have Wolfson's DAC chips in it.
Been told that anything with Wolfson in it, it is surely good.

Regarding these 2 chips, I saw a DAC that consists of both TI and WM chips. And that adds more to my confusions. LOL.

Anybody can explain? Thanks!

Google doesnt help also. Found some DAC chips comparisons page but its too advance for newcomers to understand.
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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Aug 1 2011, 05:06 PM)
Based on his test, you can already decide on which to buy.  wink.gif
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yeah man.. already decided which to go.. hahaha.. but still, no matter how good our rigs are, without a good format is still limited the quality.. i'm waiting his 320Kbps MP3 VS FLAC audio format review.. drool.gif rclxms.gif
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definitively flac will win...

Cube C30 itself is already awesome player. FLAC with normal EQ is good enough for me.

For MP3, can use BBE to make the music come alive with C30.

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woflson dont appear in serious dacs at the level of pcm1704, sabre chip, akm, etc.
Iphone4 are using cirrus logic, but has better sound quality than my ipod mini using wolfson.

get this if u dont want lavry. very good, more expensive tho, but less hassle.
http://www.stereoaudio.com.au/index.php/au...sb-music-player
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Aug 2 2011, 09:04 AM)
woflson dont appear in serious dacs at the level of pcm1704, sabre chip, akm, etc.
Iphone4 are using cirrus logic, but has better sound quality than my ipod mini  using wolfson.
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the CLAS is using a wolfson chip though. http://www.cypherlabs.com/Products.php

i do not think its fair to say this DAC is using this chip so it's good or bad because alot depends on the implementation of the chip as well as other components within the circuit design of the DAC too.

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hahaha.. yalor, ppl keep saying wolfson chip is so good but i would really wana know how is it different than the pcm chip.. >.<

QUOTE(hongrui @ Aug 2 2011, 10:33 AM)
the CLAS is using a wolfson chip though. http://www.cypherlabs.com/Products.php

i do not think its fair to say this DAC is using this chip so it's good or bad because alot depends on the implementation of the chip as well as other components within the circuit design of the DAC too.
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i see, so the sound quality is all depend on implementation of the components, not solely on the chip itself..
even if they are using a superior chip, the SQ might be bad if the implementation is bad?
meaning we will have to try it only then we can know the SQ of the DACs..


Added on August 2, 2011, 10:56 ambut still, im kinda wondering about the range for both pcm and wm chips..
like which chip in PCM is on the same level with which chip in WM..

hmm.. im kinda interested to try the good cable as well.. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(hongrui @ Aug 2 2011, 11:33 AM)
the CLAS is using a wolfson chip though. http://www.cypherlabs.com/Products.php

i do not think its fair to say this DAC is using this chip so it's good or bad because alot depends on the implementation of the chip as well as other components within the circuit design of the DAC too.
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But i do know these Chips are good. thumbup.gif
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i am currently searching high n low for good USB cable for my DAC.
any place got sell???
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QUOTE(Alpoyoz @ Aug 1 2011, 12:17 AM)
biggrin.gif . yes. its good to start from bottom. but its not always the best way rite. upgrading cost more that getting it from the start. But in the end, it depends  smile.gif

Any1 can also try a 2ndhand dac. atleast ur loss is not that much brows.gif .

icon_rolleyes.gif .
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no point starting at the bottom, this is the second half of 2011 already, I like the Lindemann USB-DAC 24/192, colour is nice, shape is also nice, with many bits and lots of frequencies to boot .... what is the point of listening owning so many when all you can listen is only one at a time .... laugh.gif

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QUOTE(sheenho @ Aug 2 2011, 10:47 AM)
i see, so the sound quality is all depend on implementation of the components, not solely on the chip itself..
even if they are using a superior chip, the SQ might be bad if the implementation is bad?
meaning we will have to try it only then we can know the SQ of the DACs..


yep, that's my personal opinion. DACs & Amps, i believe that you have to try them out to know (its very hard to audition them, i know) if they provide you with the correct synergy with your headphones and if you like the SQ of the DACs and Amps. no matter how technically good their specs might be, there's no point if you do not enjoy the music at the end.

Techmy: what's your budget? I might have something ...

audiohub's Epic USB cable. supposed to be arriving next week.

the usb cable, if you guys are interested, i'll post more details when i get mine.

actually i'm also not sure why a USB cable would affect the 1s and 0s transmitting through.

but all i can say is according to my ears, there is a difference. beyond that, the next best thing i can say is try and see if it makes any difference to you.

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As far as I know...And what i know is very limited...
Wolfson WM8740 DA Chip is legendary...
why is it so...i have no idea...

hong...
u have good usb cable? brows.gif

where to get these good cables?
i m using the stock usb cable only...

QUOTE(hongrui @ Aug 3 2011, 05:48 AM)
the usb cable, if you guys are interested, i'll post more details when i get mine.
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please do hong!
we'll all be grateful!
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QUOTE(BCurve @ Aug 2 2011, 12:44 PM)
no point starting at the bottom, this is the second half of 2011 already, I like the Lindemann USB-DAC 24/192, colour is nice, shape is also nice, with many bits and lots of frequencies to boot .... what is the point of listening owning so many when all you can listen is only one at a time ....  laugh.gif
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I think what he meant starting at the bottom was to start small, just to get familiar with DAC and stuff, especially for beginners. It might be a waste of time(or money) for some people, but this is a clear habit for any enthusiasts everywhere. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(xandman @ Aug 2 2011, 02:11 PM)
hong...
u have good usb cable? brows.gif
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Furutech GT2 is good choice smile.gif

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QUOTE(hongrui @ Aug 3 2011, 05:48 AM)
the usb cable, if you guys are interested, i'll post more details when i get mine.
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Just out of curiosity, does digital signals make any difference by using different cable ? hmm.gif Or maybe shielded & not shielded does ? Cheers

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QUOTE(hongrui @ Aug 3 2011, 11:59 AM)
actually i'm also not sure why a USB cable would affect the 1s and 0s transmitting through.

but all i can say is according to my ears, there is a difference. beyond that, the next best thing i can say is try and see if it makes any difference to you.

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because 0s and 1s only exist in computer algorithm, not electronics.
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QUOTE(xandman @ Jul 29 2011, 10:22 PM)
erk?
u who la?
the fella looking for DAC? with the friend who bought the ES55?

Good stuff must share2 la...
luckily i m not crazy enuff to get the Lavry...
haahahaha...
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right bro! biggrin.gif , the "legendary" headphones both of us talking bout is joke. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

that DACport is really something. drool.gif
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Guys, just posted my first (evar) review on the first page. Its a budget DAC sold by one of our members. Feel free to comment. I think its a good DAC to start with especially for beginners.

Feel free to recommend other DACs aswell. I will try to look for its reviews and put it on the first post. But would prefer it reviewed by one of us. Or maybe a local dedicated thread like DACPort. It would be awesome! Thanks!

Haha. The T-Muso is RM120.
Can we have like another branded budget range other than Go-Vibe USB DAC? 250-500 maybe?
Then we move up abit to something like 500-1000 range. Above that already DACPort range. Then move up to Lavry for the ultimate.

Just an idea. And I think we have limitation space for each post. So I cant put everything to the 1st post. Should've reserve the 2nd post. LOL.

Yup Ibasso d2+ boa is on my list aswell.

Lets break it to:-
Popular DAC within:-
RM200-500 = ?, ?
RM500-1000 = Ibasso D2+ BoA, ?
RM1000-1500 = DACPort, ?
Above RM2000 = Lavry, ?

What do you guys think?

Ah thanks! But not so many lah. 2-3 in 1 price range. Another thing, I will need to search for its reviews aswell. Alot of work for me. Any help would be appreciated.

Maybe 1 for portable and another 1 for desktop.

Nope, dont mind. Can PM me the links. wink.gif

But before that, instead of just list up the one we thought is good or popular, maybe we need to do a poll first maybe. Unless ClieOS said so. HAHA.


Added on August 4, 2011, 9:29 amGotta sleep first. Just came back from graveyard shifts.
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maybe something a listing like this? the list is not comprehensive, this is just off the top of my head and i'm not that sure of the prices too.

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<RM200
T-Muso

RM201-RM500
iBasso d2

RM501 - RM1000
Uber Muzik Tiny Tube DAC/Amp (TTD)

RM1001 - RM2001
iBasso D12 DAC/Amp
Pico DAC
Pico DAC/Amp
RSA Predator DAC/Amp
DACport
Cypher Labs Algorhythm Solo (DAC for i-devices only)

>RM2000
Fostex HP-P1 (DAC for i-devices only/Amp)

xxx

only portables? or to include the desktop DACs too?

i agree that the portable and desktop DACs should be separated. makes for easier reading and searching too.
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anyone tried the Nuforce uDac2 ?
around RM500, worth to buy?
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- FiiO D3 < RM200
- FiiO D5 (dedicated gamers' dac) TBA

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- FiiO E10 TBA

AMP (Portable)
- FiiO E1 < RM100
- FiiO E5 < RM100
- FiiO E6 < RM150
- FiiO E11 < RM250

AMP (Desktop)
- FiiO E9 < RM500
- FiiO E9i (Docking for iPhone/iPod) < RM500

LOD
- FiiO L3 (iOS/8cm) < RM100
- FiiO L30 (iOS/30cm) < RM150
- FiiO L50 (iOS/50cm) < RM200
- FiiO L5 (Sony/8cm) < RM100
- FiiO L6 (Sansa/8cm) <RM100

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guys, how do you all differentiate a good amp or not?

because usually when I plug on an amp, it certainly feels to me that the music is simply louder...

except for the bass, as the beats are heavier.

as for mids and trebles... hmm don't really feel it.
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Hey guys i wanna Ask abt the pairing for the beats solo,recently i saw jaben have the hippobox+ so i was thinking about giving a try,do u guys think it worth it? Or go with something else..? Currently i listen to musics using my iphone though thanks ! icon_rolleyes.gif

wow.. nice list.. now its easier to choose.. thumbup.gif

Thanks fr the reply guys smile.gif

Slevin Sent : i just gt my solos,it would be impossible for me to change in such a short period of time

Polkiuj : hahaha yeah all we need is jus $$ >.<
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Depend on the source bro... For better sound use FLAC.

also depend on the medium use for source to the amp, most headphone amp user like to use line out as source or LOD for portable player.

Since you asking... i have test MJ song repeatedly (320kbps MP3), using amp E3 and E5, source is Cube C30 and Sony Walkman S Series... same headphone*. EQ is at 0db for all.

Without amp... Sony less treble but Cube a bit better. Bass almost the same.

With amp, Sony still less treble but improve in Cube, clearer treble. For bass, Sony is too much for me, Cube have a punchy bass which I really like. Mid not amplified to much.

* My new Samson headphone still not full burn-in yet.

Change to Shure srh440 headphone... mid is out on both player. doh.gif Only bass and treble is amplified.
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QUOTE(Momojii @ Aug 4 2011, 10:01 PM)
If you really like bass i think beats is good =). I am not a audiophile cause i absolutely love bass. So is sorta subjective. But if you want true sound i think other people will not want to buy beats. Anyway beats by dr dre sound pretty similar to jays in my opinion.
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U mean audiophiles dun like bass? That's weird.. Last I checked I love bass.
Almost all top tier earphones from reputable companies have big bass. Ie8, se535, w3, w4, um3x, tf10pro, sm3, etc. All have big or flat bass. None of these can be called bass light.
Why would u make such a comment??

If you want something with strong full bass and thick sweet mids you should try the audio technica esw9.

Try not to drop ur jaw when comparing with the beats. tongue.gif


QUOTE(availyboy @ Aug 4 2011, 10:53 PM)
Thanks fr the reply guys smile.gif

Slevin Sent : i just gt my solos,it would be impossible for me to change in such a short period of time
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U can change anytime, all u need is $$$$. Hehe

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nordingh, so deep lol.

hard for me to digest... I'm not really an audiophile person. getting there... still trying to jog to your level. cool.gif

I see, great translation there.

Currently listening to a pool of flac + ape + mp3 (ranging from crappy kbps to 320kbps)

The familiar songs are usually in better quality, but some still mp3.

Nonetheless, hmm in order to really test an amp, I have to get a DAC first eh?

yes, I am using Desktop as my medium right now.

Would it be better to get a better sound card or to get a DAC?

Enjoying audio is an awesome hobby that puts a hole through wallet lol. doh.gif
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@Cold|Drawn
I guess I'll just add some extra points..
1) Do your headphones need an amp in the first place?
If your headphones doesn't need any in the first place, improvements are usually negligible.
2) Sound preference.
An amp could make your things sound better, but IMHO it's just that the amp 'colours' the sound to your liking, hence why you think it's an improvement.
3) Synergy
From my understanding, is how well all your stuffs works together. Take nordingh's post as an example. His source + amp works well for his samson, but not for his shure.

Since you've said you're still new, these should be some good reading materials.
~ In Ear Matters: Which Way up?
~ In Ear Matters: To Amp, or Not To Amp?

It's quite long(for a lazy guy like me tongue.gif); but here's some highlights for the amp part:

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As we discussed before, portable player are generally compensated in their internal amplification, which means the power they can provide is very limited and unsuitable for difficult-to-drive earphones. In the audiophiles' world, we like to say that the earphone is 'underpowered'. The chance is, most of you who are reading this article probably don't have an high impedance, low sensitivity earphone that really required an amplifier to sound at its best.

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Many of you just want to get an amp because you got advice somewhere from someone who claims that portable amp is the best thing that happens in the portable player's world and you are not hearing high quality music unless you put an amp to the back of your portable player. What actually is closer to the truth is, amplifier is one of those thing that generally add very little value to the overall sound.

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hongrui,
yah, please do so.. will greatly appreciate ur effort.. smile.gif

Cold|Drawn,
let me try to rephrase nordingh bro's words for u..

are u using MP3s or FLACs when u try the amp?
note that, low quality MP3s will not improve much eventhough u have amped ur rig..

i think u need to have a good source before getting an amp.. to do so, u would need a DAC to bypass ur PC's soundcard(if u are using ur PC as source).. coz most PCs' onboard soundcard is not really that good..

by having a good source, u can determine the SQ of an amp better.. people always say 'shit in shit our, gold in gold out.' biggrin.gif

and then the headphone/earphone that u are using will also have effect on the SQ.. some headphones might improve alot thru amping while some might jz improve a bit..

yah, get the entry level of USBDAC..

as for starter, i guess u can get the T-muso USBDAC ( iirc the name) in the garage sale.. the cheapest USB DAC in town? XD

@nordingh
ive the Cube c30 too.. but rarely use it with my headphone coz my headphone is not meant for portable.. only pair it with the F1 and Hippo Groove, so cant really tell how good is the player.. sweat.gif

@Agnaem
IMO, i feel that IEMs don't really need amping.. getting a DAC would be just fine for IEMs.. on the other hand, i think that headphone do need amp.. to push it capabilities/potential.. thumbup.gif

btw, im using GoVibe USB DAC which is PCM2702 inside..

bro, the sale thread for USB DAC PCM2704..
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easy to drive means that the headphone can perform quite well without an amp.. pair it with amp is a plus thou..
those headphones that are hard to drive cant really perform well on their own.. they need amp to bring out their 'potential'..
from what i know, u need to crank up the volume knob for the headphones which are hard to drive..
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Aug 5 2011, 12:23 AM)
nordingh, so deep lol.

hard for me to digest... I'm not really an audiophile person. getting there... still trying to jog to your level.   cool.gif
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nothing to do before going to bed... so i test la..

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Thanks for adding more info...

FYI, Cube C30 is using Class AB amplifier inside which is better than Sony walkman. If want better output for Sony, need to use LOD. Hard to find LOD for Sony now. Even I still waiting for it to arrive. Cube C30 also can play FLAC but not Sony. I use MP3 320kbps to make a fair comparison. thumbup.gif

QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Aug 5 2011, 12:49 AM)
Would it be better to get a better sound card or to get a DAC?
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Get the USBDAC... rclxms.gif

PC (FLAC) --> USBDAC --> AMP --> good headphone.. thumbup.gif

but moneyflies.gif whistling.gif

QUOTE(Pewufod @ Aug 5 2011, 12:51 AM)
is the amp in zune hd good enough ? too bad theres no LOD for the zune hd though ;/
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Audio output: Analog RCA and Optical Digital out

even better... get the amp with Optical digital input..

QUOTE(Agnaem @ Aug 5 2011, 12:56 AM)
Take nordingh's post as an example. His source + amp works well for his samson, but not for his shure.
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Hmmm... if use my Philips headphone without the amp, even worst.. full volume still not enough.

Shure pair with Fiio E11 is better actually. E11 have higher output. I only turn volume to 3 is more than enough already.


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QUOTE(sheenho @ Aug 5 2011, 01:01 AM)
yah, get the entry level of USBDAC..

as for starter, i guess u can get the T-muso USBDAC ( iirc the name) in the garage sale.. the cheapest USB DAC in town? XD

@nordingh
ive the Cube c30 too.. but rarely use it with my headphone coz my headphone is not meant for portable.. only pair it with the F1 and Hippo Groove, so cant really tell how good is the player..  sweat.gif
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or get a modified PCM2704 USBDAC.. thumbup.gif

I use C30 with F1-pro at the office and headphone at home.. if I not in front of my lappy. 2 units of Walkman going to give to my kids soon, pair with their Skull Candy and Philips headphone.

Ok guys... going to enjoys David Foster and Friends concert now while hitting mafia on Facebook games.

Good night..

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QUOTE(Agnaem @ Aug 5 2011, 12:56 AM)
@Cold|Drawn
I guess I'll just add some extra points..
1) Do your headphones need an amp in the first place?
If your headphones doesn't need any in the first place, improvements are usually negligible.
2) Sound preference.
An amp could make your things sound better, but IMHO it's just that the amp 'colours' the sound to your liking, hence why you think it's an improvement.
3) Synergy
From my understanding, is how well all your stuffs works together. Take nordingh's post as an example. His source + amp works well for his samson, but not for his shure.

Since you've said you're still new, these should be some good reading materials.
~ In Ear Matters: Which Way up?
~ In Ear Matters: To Amp, or Not To Amp?

It's quite long(for a lazy guy like me tongue.gif); but here's some highlights for the amp part:
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1. I feel comfortable even without the amp, really. ( I was one of the many who believed in amp = true music)
2. Don't like the amplified bass.
2. Too new to understand synergy as i have nothing to compare to.

Thanks for the good read smile.gif

Nordingh, what is a PCM2704 USBDAC? I tried searching but could not get any results.

Btw, when people say it's easy to drive, what do they really mean?

oh, I didn't know T-muso = PCM2704 doh.gif

Alright, now I get it. Thanks for the help really, new things to learn everyday smile.gif

How about bass being punchy or crisp?

Or trebles being bright?

I read through some of the reviews, I always see comments like that as though it's a commonly known explanation sweat.gif

you guys are awesome!!

I've decided to buy the DAC already.

Looking for two more DACs as presents for both my august friends, going to share the total cost with other friends.

Budget approx 100-150 each, source = desktop, any suggestion?

Tight budget, hard to squuezeeee wallet for friends who share the same birthday icon_question.gif

*btw, so far I had your links marked

yeah, can see a pair of big "spotlight" shaped caps lol.

you kidding me, I'm a novice entry with shallow pockets as compared to you, haha.

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QUOTE(Agnaem @ Aug 5 2011, 12:56 AM)
@Cold|Drawn
I guess I'll just add some extra points..
1) Do your headphones need an amp in the first place?
If your headphones doesn't need any in the first place, improvements are usually negligible.
2) Sound preference.
An amp could make your things sound better, but IMHO it's just that the amp 'colours' the sound to your liking, hence why you think it's an improvement.
3) Synergy
From my understanding, is how well all your stuffs works together. Take nordingh's post as an example. His source + amp works well for his samson, but not for his shure.

Since you've said you're still new, these should be some good reading materials.
~ In Ear Matters: Which Way up?
~ In Ear Matters: To Amp, or Not To Amp?

It's quite long(for a lazy guy like me tongue.gif); but here's some highlights for the amp part:
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Bro, thanks for the 2 article you provided. It really helps for newbie like me rclxms.gif
now i know what to do instead of getting an AMP first.
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QUOTE(sheenho @ Aug 5 2011, 01:11 AM)
@Agnaem
IMO, i feel that IEMs don't really need amping.. getting a DAC would be just fine for IEMs.. on the other hand, i think that headphone do need amp.. to push it capabilities/potential..  thumbup.gif

btw, im using GoVibe USB DAC which is PCM2702 inside..
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Generally speaking, I guess I feel the same way. smile.gif

QUOTE(sheenho @ Aug 5 2011, 11:24 PM)
bro, the sale thread for USB DAC PCM2704..
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easy to drive means that the headphone can perform quite well without an amp.. pair it with amp is a plus thou..
those headphones that are hard to drive cant really perform well on their own.. they need amp to bring out their 'potential'..
from what i know, u need to crank up the volume knob for the headphones which are hard to drive..
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That, and sometimes even if the volume is good, the sound feels off. Something like part of the spectrum is missing or so I've been told.

p/s: By volume is good, I mean you can get it louder than enough.

@Cold|Drawn
Ur welcome. smile.gif Btw, IINM, T-Muso is something like a brand, whereas PCM2704 is a chip from another brand, and is used in various products by various brands.

As for punchy bass & bright treble etc: Glossary for Describing Sound @ Head-Fi n headjam

@Lennox
Ur welcome smile.gif Also, thanks to ClieOS for writing lots of useful articles. thumbup.gif



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i think the bass being punchy or crisp, bright treble is about the sound signature for headphones.. as different headphones will definitely have different sound signature.. some tends to sound brighter, some might have more bass..

so different headphones have different 'presentation' la.. or what ppl usually call it as sound signature..

QUOTE(Agnaem @ Aug 6 2011, 12:22 AM)
That, and sometimes even if the volume is good, the sound feels off. Something like part of the spectrum is missing or so I've been told.

p/s: By volume is good, I mean you can get it louder than enough.

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i used to try AKG K701 and Beyer DT880 without amp..
for K701, the sound is still not loud enough eventhough i've already crank up the volume to the max..
as for DT880, yah, it sounded very weird, though i cant really explain its weirdness..

i guess these two headphones are considered hard to drive, rite?


Added on August 6, 2011, 12:36 am
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i guess the T-Muso USB DAC will be the best choice.. there's no other USB DAC that cheap aite.. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Agnaem @ Aug 6 2011, 12:22 AM)
@Lennox
Ur welcome smile.gif Also, thanks to ClieOS for writing lots of useful articles. thumbup.gif
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rclxms.gif Now i reading every article he wrote. hmm.gif probably a MP3 player is better than a phone? I always use phone to listen music, never plan to get a MP3/MP4 before. using HTC Incredible S now. Currently already listen to FLAC format's songs or at least 320 Kbps for MP3. Now, i have a good-enough IEM, AKG K331. Previously i was thinking to get an amp but after reading that article, i do agreed, Headphone is much more need an amp than an IEM.
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@sheenho
For a guy who have yet to try those high end headphones, the best answer I can give is: Theoretically, yes. tongue.gif

As for personal exp; my IEMs sounds at least decent from my laptop built-in sound card, but I can't say the same for my 668B. Yes, it can go very loud, but the sound is just off. Treble becomes too bright, sound feels cramped, complicated parts of the song becomes messed up that the sound of guitar, hi-hats all da rojak x taw mne satu dah. tongue.gif I can get a headache just from a short listening session. My guess is this in an example of ''source unable to drive headphone''.

QUOTE(Lennox @ Aug 6 2011, 12:37 AM)
rclxms.gif  Now i reading every article he wrote.  hmm.gif  probably a MP3 player is better than a phone? I always use phone to listen music, never plan to get a MP3/MP4 before. using HTC Incredible S now. Currently already listen to FLAC format's songs or at least 320 Kbps for MP3. Now, i have a good-enough IEM, AKG K331. Previously i was thinking to get an amp but after reading that article, i do agreed, Headphone is much more need an amp than an IEM.
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Usually, but not always. I've heard of phones w/ nice sound b4, but I can't remember which. My mild headache isn't helping me in remembering at all. sweat.gif

Yeah, I started with W902. Was good enough for me, until my song collections grows too big for my phone and song transfer becomes a chore due to some issues so I moved to C30. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Aug 6 2011, 12:32 AM)
you guys are awesome!!

I've decided to buy the DAC already.

Looking for two more DACs as presents for both my august friends, going to share the total cost with other friends.

Budget approx 100-150 each, source = desktop, any suggestion?

Tight budget, hard to squuezeeee wallet for friends who share the same birthday  icon_question.gif
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Get the naked USBDAC from Slevin Sent... really bare naked, you can see her thingy.. wub.gif

I getting, Digital to Analog/Analog to Analog, Dolby Digital/DTS amp soon. Must have a pc/lappy with digital out with this. Gonna use to watch movie.

Did I also one of your August friends.. brows.gif .. September also can.

ha ha.. fasting month.. my pocket also not so thick enough already..

QUOTE(Agnaem @ Aug 6 2011, 01:07 AM)
Yeah, I started with W902. Was good enough for me, until my song collections grows too big for my phone and song transfer becomes a chore due to some issues so I moved to C30. tongue.gif
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I have tested from lower to high end headphone (no IEM, I'm not IEM user)
Grado PS-1 - need some good amp to drive but not really need high end one, portable amp good enough.
Grado SR60i - no need amp, better if have amp, good with Cmoy
Grado SR325 - never test with amp but with notebook, this one give a good sound.
Hifiman HE-6 - need a high end amp
Beyerdynamic Tesla T1 - also need high end amp
Shure SRH940, SRH840, SRH440 - E11 and portable amp is enough
AIAIAI TMA-1 - I didn't test using any amp, good enough with Sony Walkman alone.
KRK KNS-8400, KNS-6400 - need amp to boost the bass, this headphone is balance studio type.
Beats by Dr. Dre - good if pair with HP Beats Audio installed in HP Envy Beats Series, if use with portable player, need to use amp. - To much bass for me
Skull Candy NBA Series - no need amp but pair with E11, ada omph... the seller keep asking me where I bought my E11.
Philips HP890 - normal portable player cannot drive this, PC is OK... need amp to get full sound.
Samson SR840 - no need amp for normal listening but amp will give more clarity.
Superlux (3 model test) - same as Samson SR840 (Samson is OEM Superlux anyway)
Audio Technica M50 - no need amp too but better if pair with good amp
Audio Technica FW5 (pottery) - no need amp but the sound is craps, use with amp, better a little bit.
Sennheiser HD238 - no need amp, better with amp
Logitech headset - with or without amp, I not feel so much different.. got for free anyway.

I think I put all already.. maybe missing 1 or 2..

Some mention above I own.. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(nordingh @ Aug 6 2011, 01:35 AM)
I have tested from lower to high end headphone (no IEM, I'm not IEM user)
Grado PS-1 - need some good amp to drive but not really need high end one, portable amp good enough.
Grado SR60i - no need amp, better if have amp, good with Cmoy
Grado SR325 - never test with amp but with notebook, this one give a good sound.
Hifiman HE-6 - need a high end amp
Beyerdynamic Tesla T1 - also need high end amp
Shure SRH940, SRH840, SRH440 - E11 and portable amp is enough
AIAIAI TMA-1 - I didn't test using any amp, good enough with Sony Walkman alone.
KRK KNS-8400, KNS-6400 - need amp to boost the bass, this headphone is balance studio type.
Beats by Dr. Dre - good if pair with HP Beats Audio installed in HP Envy Beats Series, if use with portable player, need to use amp. - To much bass for me
Skull Candy NBA Series - no need amp but pair with E11, ada omph... the seller keep asking me where I bought my E11.
Philips HP890 - normal portable player cannot drive this, PC is OK...  need amp to get full sound.
Samson SR840 - no need amp for normal listening but amp will give more clarity.
Superlux (3 model test) - same as Samson SR840 (Samson is OEM Superlux anyway)
Audio Technica M50 -  no need amp too but better if pair with good amp
Audio Technica FW5 (pottery) - no need amp but the sound is craps, use with amp, better a little bit.
Sennheiser HD238 - no need amp, better with amp
Logitech headset - with or without amp, I not feel so much different..  got for free anyway.

I think I put all already.. maybe missing 1 or 2..

Some mention above I own..  cool2.gif
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notworthy.gif have u tested Sennheiser HD518? actually, what brand serve you well the most? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Lennox @ Aug 6 2011, 01:52 AM)
notworthy.gif  have u tested Sennheiser HD518? actually, what brand serve you well the most?  tongue.gif
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Never test yet HD518... cannot say which brand I really like most... I still not sure.. that's why I keep changing my headphone when listening to music.

There is one more Sennheiser I have but donno where my kid put that one..

you have Sennheiser HD 437... my friend also have but I never ask him to bring to office to test.

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QUOTE(nordingh @ Aug 6 2011, 01:59 AM)
Never test yet HD518... cannot say which brand I really like most... I still not sure.. that's why I keep changing my headphone when listening to music.

There is one more Sennheiser I have but donno where my kid put that one..

you have Sennheiser HD 437... my friend also have but I never ask him to bring to office to test.
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i see.. really most of people will answer the same things like you. Different brands and version give different "taste". biggrin.gif

After i bought the AKG K331 IEM from Bro E1, the first day i plug it and play, is almost the same level with my HD 437. But now, the AKG is way better than this HD437. Now i kinda believe in "burn-in"!! That's why i selling it off and get a better Headphones biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(Lennox @ Aug 6 2011, 02:10 AM)
i see.. really most of people will answer the same things like you. Different brands and version give different "taste".  biggrin.gif

After i bought the AKG K331 IEM from Bro E1, the first day i plug it and play, is almost the same level with my HD 437. But now, the AKG is way better than this HD437. Now i kinda believe in "burn-in"!! That's why i selling it off and get a better Headphones  biggrin.gif
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Most people will go for Audio Technica M50 as this one good for any songs, portable and comfortable. I was thinking to get one also but budget to tight now.

This discussion already off topic. tongue.gif

If want good open type, get the Grado.

QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Aug 4 2011, 12:19 AM)
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My complete review of T-Muso USB DAC.

Source: HP Compaq Desktop (Office)
Player: foobar2000
Can: ATH-ES7


Genre: Pop/Folk / Song: Reza Salleh - Kasih.flac
SoundMAX HD (Built-in soundcard): Bassline sounded louder than T-Muso. Volume is at mid. But when the instruments mixed together, everything became muddied.
T-Muso: Sounded surprisingly lower than the soundcard. But the music/instruments are more clearer.
Conclusion: The differences during intro and verses are unnoticeable but when the instruments+vocals came together, T-Muso WINS. You can hear the instruments clearly and everything(volume level)blends nicely.

Genre: Rock / Song: 30 Seconds to Mars - Beautiful Lie.mp3 (320kbps)
SoundMAX HD (Built-in soundcard): Most of the time, sounds are OK. But at times at higher volume, the sounds kinda muddied or digitalized.
T-Muso: Much much clearer sound. Volume levels for each instruments blends nicely. Unlike SoundMAX, the guitar distortions are more subtle. Not too loud, but the crunch is clearer.
Conclusion: T-Muso again! The clarity is noticeable even for a rock song like this.

Genre: Instrumental/Experimental / Song: Solanin OST - ENT - Pneuma.flac
SoundMAX HD (Built-in soundcard): The overall sound doesnt blends well when everything kicks in. But its unnoticeable during intro and verses.
T-Muso: Just like the previous songs, its sound clarity are obvious. The volume level might be lower, but when the music kicks in, its just beautiful. For a song with strings and drums&bass, T-Muso really compliments it.
Conclusion: Both sounded closer during intro and verses. But when the music kicks in, T-Muso WINS again! SoundMAX is just too loud and muddied.

Overall thoughts: T-Muso is surely a big change from your typical soundcards. I like the fact that it is portable as I "travel" alot. And it is also USB-powered. So only the USB cable is needed. For those who are not sure what to buy, and not willing to pay for those expensive DACs as starters, this is for you! wink.gif

For me, this is one of my Audiophiles-Starter-Kit (as what I like to call it).
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If you read 1st post, dac also included here.

Ha ha, don't blame us... ask admin..
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QUOTE(nordingh @ Aug 6 2011, 02:17 AM)
Most people will go for Audio Technica M50 as this one good for any songs, portable and comfortable. I was thinking to get one also but budget to tight now.
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Will do more review about M50. Actually, i don't care about portable for a Headphone. As when i was outing, i use In-ear type. The only time i will use Headphone was at home biggrin.gif
And i also would prefer Open type because open headphones sound better than closed ones of the same cost range. and closed, usually they are used where isolation is preferred over sound quality. Since i only use Headphone in home, i don't care the isolation but Sounds Quality! tongue.gif

The HD 437 serve me well in this 3 years, and is my first ever Headphone. bought it when i was form 3 biggrin.gif i bought it together with my friends, he bought an closed type Sennheiser, can't remember which 1. I really do feel my HD437 open type sounds better but his isolation is greater than mine brows.gif

QUOTE(nordingh @ Aug 6 2011, 02:37 AM)
This discussion already off topic. tongue.gif

If want good open type, get the Grado.
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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Aug 4 2011, 10:25 PM)
DAC
- FiiO D3 < RM200
- FiiO D5 (dedicated gamers' dac) TBA

DAC / AMP
- FiiO E7 < RM300
- FiiO E10 TBA

AMP (Portable)
- FiiO E1 < RM100
- FiiO E5 < RM100
- FiiO E6 < RM150
- FiiO E11 < RM250

AMP (Desktop)
- FiiO E9 < RM500
- FiiO E9i (Docking for iPhone/iPod) < RM500

LOD
- FiiO L3 (iOS/8cm) < RM100
- FiiO L30 (iOS/30cm) < RM150
- FiiO L50 (iOS/50cm) < RM200
- FiiO L5 (Sony/8cm) < RM100
- FiiO L6 (Sansa/8cm) <RM100
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Thanks bro! Added yours as FiiO's DAC/Amp Price Guide at the first post. thumbup.gif

LOL bro, it should be under DAC Recommendation thread. Already posted there. wink.gif

Hmmm no wonder my thread never got stickied. LOL. Oh well...

Hehe macam desperate plak. No problemo. Cannot stop passion right? wink.gif
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QUOTE(kamemada @ Aug 6 2011, 04:07 AM)
Revised request for wife:

Source : Dell Inspiron 15 laptop
Equipment : Audio-Technica CKM90
Requirement : Prefer USB and small as I travel alot. No FiiO please.
Budget : 500-1000

Thanks!
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U shud give the Govibe Magnum a try...
the DAC is decent and it comes with a bass-adjustable headphone amp...
very good for watching movies!
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we shall just combine it here with DAC also as stated, will change the title in a moment

for nuforce icon stay tuned to slevin seint as he is nw on the verge negoing to bring in nuforce stuff to lyn brows.gif
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QUOTE(Windcent @ Aug 2 2011, 08:18 PM)
Furutech GT2 is good choice smile.gif
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Yupz, just got the Furutech cable... need some burn-in, how long you run to get it's sound stable?
I heard Nuforce Icon HDP is good too
Have you tried the new Bladelius DAC? it's nice. smile.gif But it's just a pure usb DAC.

QUOTE(hongrui @ Aug 3 2011, 06:48 AM)
the usb cable, if you guys are interested, i'll post more details when i get mine.
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Bro hongrui, what model you using?

i got dacport, noneed the bladelius... rm2k leh, lol
tested the bladelius on speaker system, sounds good.

Unable to PK with dacport as dacport is headphone jack out, the bladelius is rca out, so different cable will be used.
You try go PK with HDP vs Bladelius then tell me how good it is, hehe...
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I recommend Nuforce Icon HDP,price is about rm1300~rm1500,very powerful small size desktop dac,no matter couple with headphone,iem and speaker,just need order from their website

I guess i'm the one bring it in in malaysia?anyone,haha

QUOTE(Alpoyoz @ Aug 6 2011, 10:46 AM)
had u ever tried dacport before? how do u compare vs HDP? (symphonica-ed setup)
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Haha..i don hav dacport to compare,but i seen the review from head-fi hdp can slightly win the dacport and other portable dac like pico,ibasso D4 etc as well,plus hdp got coaxial input,that is much better than usb input smile.gif

To techmy

Congrats for purchased
Furutech Gt2 had amazing sound if u compare with "chicken" usb cable
Bladelius dac i know what is it,i didn't try yet~don tell me u grab it already? xD

wondering here got anyplace to test bladedius?i'm just know online taobao got sell it,hard to compare too if don have standalone amp~~but i like it can be simple setup,simple usb plug to computer and rca out to amp~

QUOTE(aztoiozalan @ Aug 6 2011, 11:13 AM)
for nuforce icon stay tuned to slevin seint as he is nw on the verge negoing to bring in nuforce stuff to lyn brows.gif
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seriously?that's great news,even jaben didn't bring nuforce come thumbup.gif ,i hope here got people had nuforce product,then we can open nuforce fans club brows.gif

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QUOTE(aztoiozalan @ Aug 6 2011, 11:13 AM)
for nuforce icon stay tuned to slevin seint as he is nw on the verge negoing to bring in nuforce stuff to lyn brows.gif
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thats great.. the more people using it. more things to share.. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Windcent @ Aug 6 2011, 12:11 PM)
wondering here got anyplace to test bladedius?i'm just know online taobao got sell it,hard to compare too if don have standalone amp~~but i like it can be simple setup,simple usb plug to computer and rca out to amp~
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You come KL... smile.gif We go test. Haha
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 6 2011, 11:19 AM)
You come KL...  smile.gif  We go test. Haha
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Don try to poison me la...my resistance is very strong now cool2.gif i think who people had standalone amp can try it ...i no need it too...because i don have amp... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Windcent @ Aug 6 2011, 12:26 PM)
Don try to poison me la...my resistance is very strong now cool2.gif i think who people had standalone amp can try it ...i no need it too...because i don have amp... sweat.gif
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Imagine, if you upgrade to Bladelius, with standalone amp, you not only can power your headphone nicely, you can power speakers too. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 6 2011, 11:32 AM)
Imagine, if you upgrade to Bladelius, with standalone amp, you not only can power your headphone nicely, you can power speakers too.  hmm.gif
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read this review if u understand chinese(ofcoz u are xD)thats all bout Bladelius dac,i think i'll grab it if i still got amp,(my ex- amp is graham slee solo)

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4e2a043001017gg8.html

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just read the review provided by Windcent.. it's a good read and thanks..
based on the review, the DAC appears to be very promising.. and the reviewer really writes up a good and very detail review..

is it on par with nuforce icon?
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QUOTE(sheenho @ Aug 6 2011, 12:42 PM)
just read the review provided by Windcent.. it's a good read and thanks..
based on the review, the DAC appears to be very promising.. and the reviewer really writes up a good and very detail review..

is it on par with nuforce icon?
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Bladedius dac is about 2k +,nuforce icon hdp is about 1.3k..on par?...i not sure once can't compare,plus Bladedius is standalone dac and it only got usb input...compare with usb hdp i think bladedius can beat hdp a lot...because i dont prefer the usb input by hdp
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QUOTE(Windcent @ Aug 6 2011, 02:24 PM)
Bladedius dac is about 2k +,nuforce icon hdp is about 1.3k..on par?...i not sure once can't compare,plus Bladedius is standalone dac and it only got usb input...compare with usb hdp i think bladedius can beat hdp a lot...because i dont prefer the usb input by hdp
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LOL, upgrade time... or i sell you my Dacport, then i go upgrade to Bladelius. laugh.gif
With nuforce icon hdp or centrance dacport, you noneed additional amp ma... hehe

Other than these few, anymore nice DAC recommend? aparts from Lavry DA11
Furutech also got 1 USB Dac Amp (gt40)... cheap cheap with LP Phono stage.

Anyone tried Music Streamer before? How is it uh?

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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 6 2011, 02:05 PM)
LOL, upgrade time... or i sell you my Dacport, then i go upgrade to Bladelius.  laugh.gif
With nuforce icon hdp or centrance dacport, you noneed additional amp ma... hehe

Other than these few, anymore nice DAC recommend? aparts from Lavry DA11
Furutech also got 1 USB Dac Amp (gt40)... cheap cheap with LP Phono stage.

Anyone tried Music Streamer before? How is it uh?
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yeah,why don u open thread to sell dacport staring now?haha...once got Bladius u need confuse to buy amp too brows.gif
by the way
got any review for Furutech Gt40?

my mind told me perhaps use standalone dac to standalone amp will be much better,because that standalone is direct line out to amp 1,didn't by pass to another process that "volume control"...like case ipod direct to amp but without lineout dock

that new mini to rca cable quite expensive too??

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QUOTE(Windcent @ Aug 6 2011, 03:16 PM)
yeah,why don u open thread to sell dacport staring now?haha...once got Bladius u need confuse to buy amp too brows.gif
by the way
got any review for Furutech Gt40?
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Furutech Gt40?? just felt the headphone amp not enough gain for my liking, other area not sure...
But it is cheap all in 1 solution set, got DAC... Headphone Amp, RCA Out & has Phono Stage.

I using Maverick A1 Amp, hehe... Dacport baby to work as preamp. LOL
If want, i can sell and upgrade, but Dacport is so nice i can unplug from my home rig and use directly with laptop (usb powered) connect headphone on the move. wub.gif
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 6 2011, 02:25 PM)
Furutech Gt40?? just felt the headphone amp not enough gain for my liking, other area not sure...
But it is cheap all in 1 solution set, got DAC... Headphone Amp, RCA Out & has Phono Stage.

I using Maverick A1 Amp, hehe... Dacport baby to work as preamp. LOL
If want, i can sell and upgrade, but Dacport is so nice i can unplug from my home rig and use directly with laptop (usb powered) connect headphone on the move.  wub.gif
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what phones are u pairing ur amp with? T1? hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Alpoyoz @ Aug 6 2011, 03:35 PM)
what phones are u pairing ur amp with? T1?  hmm.gif
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Nope, mostly with Ad1000prm, sometimes Dt880.

QUOTE(Windcent @ Aug 6 2011, 03:36 PM)
my mind told me perhaps use standalone dac to standalone amp will be much better,because that standalone is direct line out to amp 1,didn't by pass to another process that "volume control"...like case ipod direct to  amp but without lineout dock
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My mind told me that too, but i still use my dacport for the job.
As for the volume part, i put full volume on dacport. hmm.gif
Somemore i just purchased a new mini to rca cable, if i upgrade to bladelius now. doh.gif

QUOTE(Windcent @ Aug 6 2011, 04:19 PM)
that new mini to rca cable quite expensive too??
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Ya, the pcwork's mini rca cable rm799 cry.gif
My dacport as a dac preamp is more expensive than my maverick A1 amp, and my usb cable + mini rca cable is more expensive than my dacport.

icon_question.gif i spent more money on cable.

Now using the Furutech Gt2 usb cable, Windcent also using this.
improvement? Yupz... on sound. LOL

stupid me now testing the usb cable plug to external harddisk to test, blame Windcent, he insist me to test see if got differences. No difference ler.

My mistake, it's no difference if use for External Harddisk.
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 6 2011, 03:24 PM)
Ya, the pcwork's mini rca cable rm799  cry.gif
My dacport as a dac preamp is more expensive than my maverick A1 amp, and my usb cable + mini rca cable is more expensive than my dacport.

icon_question.gif i spent more money on cable.
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wow.. u are one of the earliest. rclxms.gif . & what usb cable are to using? gives improvement to dacport?

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where did u get that usb cable?

ya? i couldnt find any.. then i should find harder.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 6 2011, 03:49 PM)
Now using the Furutech Gt2 usb cable, Windcent also using this.
improvement? Yupz... on sound. LOL

stupid me now testing the usb cable plug to external harddisk to test, blame Windcent, he insist me to test see if got differences. No difference ler.

My mistake, it's no difference if use for External Harddisk.
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LOL...blame me if didn't got difference,appreciate me if got somethings difference cry.gif hahaha...by the way external dvd-rom tried?

Haha...so pity my furutech usb cable not A to A type..if don i shub test blink.gif

I was bought it from Alo audio...i thought here got sell also?i heard last time klav got sell

About Tube amp i had little dot 2++ before,out of topic now??

But it was...

so HOTTTTTT~~~~ vmad.gif

and so warm~~~~ wub.gif
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QUOTE(Windcent @ Aug 6 2011, 05:09 PM)
LOL...blame me if didn't got difference,appreciate me if got somethings difference cry.gif hahaha...by the way external dvd-rom tried?
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I don't have any external cd / dvd-rom to test. laugh.gif
You go test... if got differences then i go buy external bluray-rom + nice usb cable. drool.gif

Maybe this way will cheaper than those bluray player. Wahaha...

QUOTE(Windcent @ Aug 8 2011, 10:53 PM)
About Tube amp i had little dot 2++ before,out of topic now??

But it was...

so HOTTTTTT~~~~ vmad.gif

and so warm~~~~ wub.gif
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Hi! anyone here has audit DacMagic by cambridge audio? how was it?

Hi guys! Recently i'm looking for external DAC for my corsair sp2500 and currently my eyes is on cambridge audio DAC magic. Any else suggestion?
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 6 2011, 03:24 PM)
Ya, the pcwork's mini rca cable rm799  cry.gif
My dacport as a dac preamp is more expensive than my maverick A1 amp, and my usb cable + mini rca cable is more expensive than my dacport.

icon_question.gif i spent more money on cable.
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Hows the pcwork latest mini RCA cable ?

Actually i was looking at maverick A1 and D1...what is the real different between the two ??
How with maverick ?? Izit worth for money if i use it as a DAC/AMP for my desktop set up?
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QUOTE(vivakarna @ Aug 6 2011, 11:24 PM)
Hi! anyone here has audit DacMagic by cambridge audio? how was it?
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smile.gif Never tried this, perhaps some other bros with the DAC can give some review.


QUOTE(egyprince @ Aug 8 2011, 10:09 AM)
Hows the pcwork latest mini RCA cable ?

Actually i was looking at maverick A1 and D1...what is the real different between the two ??
How with maverick ?? Izit worth for money if i use it as a DAC/AMP for my desktop set up?
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The latest mini rca cable is good, much bigger soundstage, better resolution than the entry WireWorld iWorld cable.

Maverick D1 is dac amp while A1 is just amp. The D1 have much functions to play with, thus gaining higher popularity.
I am just using the Maverick A1 amp, it is suitable & good for my current need.
Worth money or not are highly depending on your expectation and the gear that you pairing with. It's definitely Value for Money, at their price point. Hehe
I gotta agree with that your audio chain is always only as good as its weakest link. hmm.gif

bro xandman, g3n0c|d3... mind sharing anywhere have nice deal for tubes? smile.gif
other than ebay?
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QUOTE(egyprince @ Aug 8 2011, 09:09 AM)
Hows the pcwork latest mini RCA cable ?

Actually i was looking at maverick A1 and D1...what is the real different between the two ??
How with maverick ?? Izit worth for money if i use it as a DAC/AMP for my desktop set up?
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im using D1...
i really enjoy the multi-function its got... i experiment it to the point i was confuse myself...

the best thing is... i can use with my iphone+CLAS to Maverick DAC using Coaxial connector+using pretube amp from maverick D1 i connected it with my stepdance and use my grado sr80i as my headphone.... i got the tube warmness features and the stepdance wide soundstage.... it does not get any better than that lol!
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Aug 8 2011, 10:40 AM)
im using D1...
i really enjoy the multi-function its got... i experiment it to the point i was confuse myself...

the best thing is... i can use with my iphone+CLAS to Maverick DAC using Coaxial connector+using pretube amp from maverick D1 i connected it with my stepdance and use my grado sr80i as my headphone.... i got the tube warmness features and the stepdance wide soundstage.... it does not get any better than that lol!
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That what I read from previous posting. There are a lot of functions for d1 and for that price it's consider quite cheap. And can have a lot upgrade to play with, some more can use it as a amp for speaker.

seem like a lot of ppl already own a tube amp now..haha....
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QUOTE(egyprince @ Aug 8 2011, 11:01 AM)
That what I read from previous posting. There are a lot of functions for d1 and for that price it's consider quite cheap. And can have a lot upgrade to play with, some more can use it as a amp for speaker.
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tried it with my friends' edifier e3100, the sound coming from it is really good... it emphasis the bass to be very tight and clarity shines when amping using D1....

now im looking for a NOS tube to play with the pretube amp... something that have synergy with grado...
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Aug 8 2011, 11:26 AM)
tried it with my friends' edifier e3100, the sound coming from it is really good... it emphasis the bass to be very tight and clarity shines when amping using D1....

now im looking for a NOS tube to play with the pretube amp... something that have synergy with grado...
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but from what i know bro...
NOS 5670 is very limited and expensive!!!!

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QUOTE(xandman @ Aug 8 2011, 11:32 AM)
but from what i know bro...
NOS 5670 is very limited and expensive!!!!

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Vintage Raytheon 5670 Stereo Tubes Windmill Getter
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Aug 8 2011, 11:53 AM)
according to review this is better... brows.gif

WE396A NOS!
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Techmy, you are looking for American tubes or British/European tubes?

i asked about British/European and American tubes because it'd be cheaper to get American tubes from US while British/European tubes are cheaper from Europe...

since you are using CV4010, i would recommend you try the voskhod rocket 6J1P-EV to get better high low extensions. but the down side is i find that these tubes lose out on the mids, being not as sweet, not as lush. the sound sig becomes more like a SS amp, when i was using it with my LD mkIV.

heh heh heh if you still wanna retain the mid range sweetness, you can try RCA 5654 or Sylvania 5654.

i'd rank the tubes, according to warmness:
mullard M8100 > RCA 5654 > Sylvania 5654 > Voskhod 6J1P-EV.

these are all the tubes that i've rolled within the EF95 family, so can't say much more.

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QUOTE(xandman @ Aug 8 2011, 12:39 PM)
according to review this is better... brows.gif

WE396A NOS!
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been reading reviewsat head-fi.. they recommend the raytheon for grados...

heck... i'll just take both of them for kicks...
after i got my salary lah

QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 8 2011, 01:28 PM)
bro xandman, g3n0c|d3... mind sharing anywhere have nice deal for tubes? smile.gif
other than ebay?
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sorry i could not help u out since i only saw some good deals on the tubes are at ebay...

Been surfing some power cords and some tube. The cheapest i found is belden power cord. Saw a forumer selling his supra l0ard for freaking cheap2! ( fark i was late. Dont have duit no more now.)
Im thinking sticking to my plan 1st. Getting some tubes to play with 1st then start looking some good cheap power cord.
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after all this talk on tubes, i feel like changing the tube for my cheap cheap hybrid amp dy.. tongue.gif

preferable warmer sound signature, any suggestion?


Added on August 8, 2011, 9:19 pmbtw, ive no idea how to differentiate the types of tubes.. can just guess it by the look/size of it..

im currently using GoVibe USBDAC and Indeed MK2 Class A Tube amp..

LOL.. im afraid those tubes might be too HOT for me to handle.. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(hongrui @ Aug 8 2011, 02:41 PM)
Techmy, you are looking for American tubes or British/European tubes?
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American vs British European? How they sounded?
I only know i'm currently using 2pcs of Mullard CV4010 (M8100) for my Maverick A1.
Sounded sweet for my previous equipment matching, thinking of replacing it to serve my new system pairing to have better high and low extension. (compared to the current Mullard)
Thinking Telefunken? or Western Electric?? How's their sound like?

Sorry, i am Noob in audio. Any suggestion are highly appreciated.

QUOTE(hongrui @ Aug 8 2011, 04:39 PM)
i asked about British/European and American tubes because it'd be cheaper to get American tubes from US while British/European tubes are cheaper from Europe...

since you are using CV4010, i would recommend you try the voskhod rocket 6J1P-EV to get better high low extensions. but the down side is i find that these tubes lose out on the mids, being not as sweet, not as lush. the sound sig becomes more like a SS amp, when i was using it with my LD mkIV.
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Your explanation makes me think twice on changing my tubes, lol
i'll try some other alternative tuning to achieve what i want then. Thanks bro.

Ooh... icic.
Then i go try roll other see what's the differences. Wahaha...

EP95 family baby tubes. happy.gif

QUOTE(sheenho @ Aug 8 2011, 10:16 PM)
after all this talk on tubes, i feel like changing the tube for my cheap cheap hybrid amp dy.. tongue.gif

preferable warmer sound signature, any suggestion?


Added on August 8, 2011, 9:19 pmbtw, ive no idea how to differentiate the types of tubes.. can just guess it by the look/size of it..
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bro sheenho, what dac / amp you're using for your rig?

Me no experience on tubes too, perhaps you try look at ebay for your matching tubes.
Find high and low for the one that have the appearance that shout: "Come on baby, i'm Hot~!"
That tube should gives you Warmer sound singnature. brows.gif
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QUOTE(sheenho @ Aug 8 2011, 09:43 PM)
im currently using GoVibe USBDAC and Indeed MK2 Class A Tube amp..

LOL.. im afraid those tubes might be too HOT for me to handle.. tongue.gif
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They burn money.





Literally. tongue.gif

http://www.head-fi.org/t/572575/review-hif...-hm-101-usb-dac


Review for the newly released Hifiman HM-101, costing a mere 39USD. Some looking for USB-DACs below RM150 might be interested in this. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Aug 8 2011, 10:45 PM)
They burn money.
Literally. tongue.gif
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brows.gif I'm sure that you've burned A Lot. laugh.gif
Mind sharing how you burn yours?

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darkvoice burning hot roght nw beside me as i play joanna wang brows.gif

really lagi cepat hot after mod tongue.gif no nid warmup time brows.gif

brows.gif cant help it, purposely close all fan aircond semua kasi quite baru layan 1 album lerr tongue.gif

yeahahaha btw im using slyvinia tubes but dunno wut model tongue.gif

mids improve lae , highs itu bright2 skit22 ad700 sudah kasi smoothhh heeeee tongue.gif perfect for my ears n liking, ok i better study now tongue.gif

errrr.. QED powerchord here, else is normal, mau cari enacom ini brows.gif

or u cn try corda concerto + stage DAC , IMO it sounds great with neutral items tongue.gif

or also cn try burson stuff, but dunno below 3k anot hehe,

govibe usb dac for nabilitz, smile.gif i think suit ur budget or have to strecth a litlleeee bit tongue.gif

or cn try ibasso D6, IMO, denon cans are not hard to drive but cn be nice if driven or synergizes neatly smile.gif or how much is ur budget anyways, couldnt catch up tongue.gif if headamp pico d dac yes it is nice smile.gif amp part no comment but i think is good icon_rolleyes.gif
or cn govibe magnum? dat one is small n powerfull smile.gif but abit bright for my licking,
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haha, speaking of 'hotness'.. my amp easier kena la, as everything is exposed.. already kena few times dy when wana switch it off.. >.<


Added on August 8, 2011, 10:06 pm
QUOTE(aztoiozalan @ Aug 8 2011, 10:03 PM)
brows.gif cant help it, purposely close all fan aircond semua kasi quite baru layan 1 album lerr tongue.gif

yeahahaha btw im using slyvinia tubes but dunno wut model tongue.gif
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this one ka?
http://tubedepot.com/nos-6dj8-jan.html

pure DAC or combo?

if pure DAC can only recommend GoVibe USBDAC in that price range..
if combo, E7 maybe?

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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 8 2011, 09:55 PM)
Have you tried to put a piece of glass on top and have Korean style BBQ?  tongue.gif
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LOL... sweat.gif ...ofcoz i didn't tried...i sold it because i live in malaysia xD

i'm also interesting who tried it & ate?so ridiculous doh.gif i think this thing is never gonna happen xD




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QUOTE(aztoiozalan @ Aug 8 2011, 10:57 PM)
darkvoice burning hot roght nw beside me as i play joanna wang brows.gif

really lagi cepat hot after mod tongue.gif no nid warmup time brows.gif
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You better faster go study. vmad.gif
LOL

QUOTE(aztoiozalan @ Aug 8 2011, 11:03 PM)
brows.gif cant help it, purposely close all fan aircond semua kasi quite baru layan 1 album lerr tongue.gif

yeahahaha btw im using slyvinia tubes but dunno wut model tongue.gif
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Your really lagi cepat hot after mod with no nid warmup time = close all fan & aircond??? blink.gif
How's slyvinia sound like? nice??

QUOTE(Windcent @ Aug 8 2011, 11:07 PM)
LOL... sweat.gif ...ofcoz i didn't tried...i sold it because i live in malaysia xD

i'm also interesting who tried it & ate?so ridiculous doh.gif i think this thing is never gonna happen xD
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This idea was being told by bro hongrui wan, he said his tubey amp is so hot that can do BBQ.
you may want to check with him if he ever tried. laugh.gif

I wonder any nice powercord or power distributor / conditioners you guys using for your rig? Let's share...

Me currently searching for good conditioners / distributor... mostly good ones in US plug.
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 8 2011, 10:11 PM)
This idea was being told by bro hongrui wan, he said his tubey amp is so hot that can do BBQ.
you may want to check with him if he ever tried.  laugh.gif
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Haha biggrin.gif it would be fun if really did it & shub upload the video to youtube thumbup.gif

i would "LIKED" it thumbup.gif
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I read too much "tube" today that I wanna try one aswell. LOL J/K.

My JDS Labs cMoy pun belum sampai, havent enjoyed it yet...

Wah Eclipse! I have plenty of those. Nice idea! thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 8 2011, 10:11 PM)
This idea was being told by bro hongrui wan, he said his tubey amp is so hot that can do BBQ.
you may want to check with him if he ever tried.  laugh.gif
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hahaha nope! too expensive amp to play around!
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 8 2011, 11:02 PM)
I wonder any nice powercord or power distributor / conditioners you guys using for your rig? Let's share...

Me currently searching for good conditioners / distributor... mostly good ones in US plug.
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transparent powerbanks or quantum qx2.. qx4 if ur rich.. muahaha..
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Aug 9 2011, 03:17 PM)
transparent powerbanks or quantum qx2.. qx4 if ur rich.. muahaha..
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Bro DaEMoNteNTAcLe, you using the quantum qx4? Does it sell together with it's qbase??
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 9 2011, 02:47 PM)
Bro DaEMoNteNTAcLe, you using the quantum qx4? Does it sell together with it's qbase??
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nope not using it.. just suggestion.
not sure if it does comes with qbase or not..
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QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Aug 9 2011, 07:30 PM)
nope not using it.. just suggestion.
not sure if it does comes with qbase or not..
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DaEMoN bro, mind sharing what power solution you use?? wink.gif


Added on August 10, 2011, 9:50 pmWhy cable need to run-in?? sad.gif

2 new cable, hehe... gt2 usb + pcwork mini rca. smile.gif


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guys....i plan to get the Audio-GD NFB10WM to drive my HD600...what do you guys think bout this DAC+Headphone amp?

i have the compass and it was really quite good and it even outperform my X-can V3 by a big difference.....

my budget is below 3k....any other recommendation would be welcome...


Added on August 11, 2011, 12:24 pmguys....i plan to get the Audio-GD NFB10WM to drive my HD600...what do you guys think bout this DAC+Headphone amp?

i have the compass and it was really quite good and it even outperform my X-can V3 by a big difference.....

my budget is below 3k....any other recommendation would be welcome...

hmmppp....can i find them at Jaben?

interested to know how they perform ....

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You could give centrance dacmini a try. Jaben got it. I tried it with my hd650. It match greatly IMO.

Here is some review
http://www.headfonia.com/centrance-dacmini-and-dacport/

How about the gt2 in dacport? It improve in what way? icon_rolleyes.gif

Theres some1 selling govibe dac in garage sales..

u dont wana try.. i think its quite cheap. + still new. hehehe.. icon_rolleyes.gif

its absolutely yes
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Went to Jaben last week and tested the DACPort. What I can say is, DAYM!
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 9 2011, 08:42 PM)
DaEMoN bro, mind sharing what power solution you use??  wink.gif


Added on August 10, 2011, 9:50 pmWhy cable need to run-in?? sad.gif

2 new cable, hehe... gt2 usb + pcwork mini rca. smile.gif
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nothing atm.
i have furutech wall socket.

got a gt2?
i actually considering to sell mine, 0.6m. gonna need longer since my monitor takes too much space i dont have any room to put my desktop.
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QUOTE(kamemada @ Aug 12 2011, 05:11 AM)
Went to Jaben last week and tested the DACPort. What I can say is, DAYM!
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brows.gif Go Buy...

QUOTE(DaEMoNteNTAcLe @ Aug 12 2011, 06:58 AM)
nothing atm.
i have furutech wall socket.

got a gt2?
i actually considering to sell mine, 0.6m. gonna need longer since my monitor takes too much space i dont have any room to put my desktop.
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Me just using furutech powercord, how's the wall socket? Is it huge improvement??
Yupz, using gt2 too, mine is 1.8m biggrin.gif
With 0.6m either you rearrange your placement or buy a longer one... then the 0.6m just keep it spare for portable use.
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QUOTE(TechMy @ Aug 12 2011, 12:58 PM)
brows.gif Go Buy...
Me just using furutech powercord, how's the wall socket? Is it huge improvement??
Yupz, using gt2 too, mine is 1.8m  biggrin.gif
With 0.6m either you rearrange your placement or buy a longer one... then the 0.6m just keep it spare for portable use.
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i cant say its huge... em.. that more or less depends on what huge is on your perception tho.
slight improvement in scale (overall size of the sound-space) and attack.
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Guys, what would you recommend as an entry level DAC? Currently using Chchyong89's Audiophonics DAC. thinking about upgrading.

Budget.. around 300 maybe?

QUOTE(sheenho @ Aug 12 2011, 09:58 PM)
pure DAC or combo?

if pure DAC can only recommend GoVibe USBDAC in that price range..
if combo, E7 maybe?
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Pure DAC, since i already have my FiiO E11. Thanks! smile.gif

Hi guys, I might want to upgrade my DAC in the near future, currently using chchyong89's Audiophonics DAC. Any suggestions?

Budget around RM300, looking for pure usb DAC, as i already have an amp.

QUOTE(Alpoyoz @ Aug 12 2011, 10:59 PM)
Theres some1 selling govibe dac in garage sales..
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yeap i saw haha.

QUOTE(Alpoyoz @ Aug 13 2011, 12:28 AM)
u dont wana try.. i think its quite cheap. + still new. hehehe..  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Haha unfortunately i'm still low on funds. If item is still available during raya i might consider. smile.gif

thank you! is that the only DAC in this price range? haha
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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Aug 15 2011, 02:38 AM)
Wah Eclipse! I have plenty of those. Nice idea! thumbup.gif
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Please post yours later.. rclxms.gif

Tips, if yours use big capacitor (3300), just bend it a little bit and it's will fit nicely... (that's what I did to my friend DAC). Don't forget to put something below the DAC, if you don't want to see some smoke coming out. biggrin.gif

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Wow! Candies for the eyes, mouth and ears! Really multi-purpose! nod.gif

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QUOTE(nordingh @ Aug 15 2011, 01:34 AM)
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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Aug 15 2011, 10:26 AM)
Wow!  Candies for the eyes, mouth and ears!  Really multi-purpose!  nod.gif

To the less informed, they must be thinking what is this new way of getting "high" by sending "current" through "pills" via the ears  tongue.gif
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ha ha... thumbup.gif

QUOTE(calmshot @ Aug 15 2011, 11:04 AM)
shakir punyer? haha as long u not bring it to the airport. if not sure kena tangkap suspect of hand made explosive item  laugh.gif
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yup.. dia punya... takde kot naik flight pasni... dah keje wat online je sekrg.
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Just recently come into possession a Denon AH-D2000 for RM895 in Taipei. My source would be from an iPod Classic, MacBook Air via USB and iPod Nano 6G. Which portable USB AMP/DAC model/brand would best complement/drive my D2000? I'll be using this to listen to a lot of jazz, rock, and R&B. No classical. Will also be using this for movie/TV shows watching, not sure if this would affect the selection of the USB AMP/DAC.

I've shortlisted a particular model, the NuForce Icon Mobile, which reported from the folks at Head-Fi, complements the Denon nicely. But unfortunately the NuForce is a no-show for [WTS] here, so I probably have to abandon that. IF that is the case, I'm thinking of either going for RSA Predator or Headamp Pico. However, I'm open to suggestions for other brands/models that synergizes well with the Denon. Any suggestions are appreciated. Prefer if the models are available for purchase in KL.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 16 2011, 11:07 AM)
Just recently come into possession a Denon AH-D2000 for RM895 in Taipei. My source would be from an iPod Classic, MacBook Air via USB and iPod Nano 6G. Which portable USB AMP/DAC model/brand would best complement/drive my D2000? I'll be using this to listen to a lot of jazz, rock, and R&B. No classical. Will also be using this for movie/TV shows watching, not sure if this would affect the selection of the USB AMP/DAC.

I've shortlisted a particular model, the NuForce Icon Mobile, which reported from the folks at Head-Fi, complements the Denon nicely. But unfortunately the NuForce is a no-show for [WTS] here, so I probably have to abandon that. IF that is the case, I'm thinking of either going for RSA Predator or Headamp Pico. However, I'm open to suggestions for other brands/models that synergizes well with the Denon. Any suggestions are appreciated. Prefer if the models are available for purchase in KL.

Thanks.
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hey there string... long time no see....

i have a suggestion bro... there is a place called jaben at ss15 subang jaya(opposite Asia Cafe, cant miss it u'll see a teddy bear sign lol) selling loads of amps/DAC and also headphones.... brows.gif

u can audition there if u want to... and yes they have the predator and pico amp also...

good to see u again bro!
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Aug 16 2011, 11:45 AM)
hey there string... long time no see....

i have a suggestion bro... there is a place called jaben at ss15 subang jaya(opposite Asia Cafe, cant miss it u'll see a teddy bear sign lol) selling loads of amps/DAC and also headphones.... brows.gif

u can audition there if u want to... and yes they have the predator and pico amp also...

good to see u again bro!
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Yup. I initially planned to get the Denon there as well. Walked around Taipei at the Guanghwa Digital Mall here, and found a store selling it at that price, I couldn't miss out on that! Now got RM500+ extra to spend on a portable DAC/AMP, so that's how the Predator/Pico came into option. I'm looking into something that can be somewhat future-proof, and able to drive future investment in headphones I buy later. Hence the consideration into the Predator. Head-Fi folks talked about it being "warm", so I probably have to have a listen to it myself. Otherwise, if I do plan to stick with the Denon alone, the NuForce is enough.

I've also looked around for pictures of these amps, to gauge how small they are, and to see if they are portable enough for travels. I'm opting for closed cans so that I can use them in flights without disturbing the passengers next to me. The Denons, as I was informed, was as close a closed-can headphone can approach the open air ones. I had the option to get the D5000 and D7000 for RM1700 and RM2400 here in Taipei, but I figured that I need to ease myself into the headphones scene first before spending too much on it without appreciating the nuances of the higher end models.

I'm moving from the Beats Solo HD. Figure as much that it is time to move to something that sounds better, rather than something that looks nice.

EDIt: Still need more recommendations for portable USB DAC/AMP to pair with the Denon AH-D2000. Any suggestions are welcomed. I'm basing the preference towards the RSA Predator from HeadphonesAddict at Head-Fi. Could not find any other specific make of amp to drive/synergize with the Denon other than NuForce Icon Mobile.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Aug 16 2011, 12:17 PM)
Yup. I initially planned to get the Denon there as well. Walked around Taipei at the Guanghwa Digital Mall here, and found a store selling it at that price, I couldn't miss out on that! Now got RM500+ extra to spend on a portable DAC/AMP, so that's how the Predator/Pico came into option. I'm looking into something that can be somewhat future-proof, and able to drive future investment in headphones I buy later. Hence the consideration into the Predator. Head-Fi folks talked about it being "warm", so I probably have to have a listen to it myself. Otherwise, if I do plan to stick with the Denon alone, the NuForce is enough.

I've also looked around for pictures of these amps, to gauge how small they are, and to see if they are portable enough for travels. I'm opting for closed cans so that I can use them in flights without disturbing the passengers next to me. The Denons, as I was informed, was as close a closed-can headphone can approach the open air ones. I had the option to get the D5000 and D7000 for RM1700 and RM2400 here in Taipei, but I figured that I need to ease myself into the headphones scene first before spending too much on it without appreciating the nuances of the higher end models.

I'm moving from the Beats Solo HD. Figure as much that it is time to move to something that sounds better, rather than something that looks nice.

EDIt: Still need more recommendations for portable USB DAC/AMP to pair with the Denon AH-D2000. Any suggestions are welcomed. I'm basing the preference towards the RSA Predator from HeadphonesAddict at Head-Fi. Could not find any other specific make of amp to drive/synergize with the Denon other than NuForce Icon Mobile.
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what about ibasso D10 for the DAC/AMP combo?

QUOTE(vivakarna @ Aug 18 2011, 07:19 PM)
Hi guys! Recently i'm looking for external DAC for my corsair sp2500 and currently my eyes is on cambridge audio DAC magic. Any else suggestion?
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Do consider maverick D1. its a pretty good budget DAC/amp for its value
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Thanks. I was initially looking into the Ibasso as well but leaned towards NuForce based on Head-Fi supremo HeadphoneAddict's recommendation. Now that I can't get NuForce locally, I'm thinking of going all out. No budget. But I don't have needs of a balanced amp right now so RSA Protector isn't necessary. I'm also thinking of future-proofing, at least enough to drive the pickiest of headphones, although my choice is still closed-cans headphones. I don't like audio leakage to the outside world.

Looking at wallabies/Jaben offerings here, I guess it's between Pico and Predator. And since the Denon is relatively neutral and not hard to drive, I guess those two are the sensible choices?

I also read comments that the D2000 have recessed mids so the NuForce helps alleviate it and bunts it forward. Any other amps with that criteria? Must have USB and DAC/AMP. Kinda narrows it down to only a few choices only isn't it?


Added on August 17, 2011, 9:36 pmPurchase complete. Instead of the RSA Predator, got myself the Headamp Pico. Jaben fresh out of Predators. Also purchased the ALO LOD. Free Hippocase and USB cable. Very satisfied with the Pico, I think I made the right choice.


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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Aug 18 2011, 08:15 PM)
Do consider maverick D1. its a pretty good budget DAC/amp for its value
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Does the mav d1 consider an upgrade from my wolfson wm8501?

Just now, i did a blind test to know which one better between wolfson wm8501 external dac and mbp onboard dac.

The listener is my brother and eventhough the wm8501 is better than the onboard, the difference is minimal(maybe 1x better) and I agree with him. haha!

So, can the d1 will makes me impressed? biggrin.gif

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Does the mav d1 consider an upgrade from my wolfson wm8501?

Just now, i did a blind test to know which one better between wolfson wm8501 external dac and mbp onboard dac.

The listener is my brother and eventhough the wm8501 is better than the onboard, the difference is minimal(maybe 1x better) and I agree with him. haha!

So, can the d1 will makes me impressed? biggrin.gif
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I love d1 because of its multi functions. I can use my iphone, got usb connections, spdif connections, coaxial connection all for the DAC, got pretube amp to get that warmness sound. Overall its multi functional. As for the sound? Like i said its good for its budget.
I never tried other DAC, but for a beginner like me, i feel satisfied since i got so many functions for a good price.
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Aug 19 2011, 03:23 AM)
I love d1 because of its multi functions. I can use my iphone, got usb connections, spdif connections, coaxial connection all for the DAC, got pretube amp to get that warmness sound. Overall its multi functional. As for the sound? Like i said its good for its budget.
I never tried other DAC, but for a beginner like me, i feel satisfied since i got so many functions for a good price.
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I see, thanks g3n0c|d3 nod.gif

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Another great thing about D1 is that there are many ways you can do to improve it's sound quality (you can change the opamps, changing the tubes if you frequently use the tube output from it). So basically saying this DAC will be worth keeping for a long time before you for another level.

Well if your dac is cheaper then the amp itself it's recommended to get a proper DAC first. And get an amp only if you noticed any lacking on your headphone itself in unamp condition.

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Slevin Sent's PCM2704 DAC

Went and meet the seller today at Sunway Pyramid to get my DACs

Initially I told him that I wanted to buy only one DAC, yet he decided to come to Sunway Pyramid during Saturday near buka puasa time (really hard to find parking man, had to drive all the way up to the roof top to get my parking)

We went to Starbucks non-smoking area for an area with less noise in order to really test the DACs, seller decided to spend me a latte because today's my birthday! woot, free audition and free drinks lol, awesome. (btw, he didn't even check my IC brows.gif )

Anyway, he took out 4 different type of DACs, from OScon 330uf, OScon 220uf, Nichicon Muse and Elna Silmic2. He hint me on the signatures of each of the caps then suggested me to try every single one of them.

Started with OScon 330uf, I am not an audiophile person myself, so my hearing may not be as precise, neither is my explanation as well. Nonetheless, the OScon 330uf is more fun for me, I'd say the audio line has more variables. Suitable for people like me who listens to all range of musics.

Then I tried the OScon 220uf, the sound is similar to 330uf. There's a slight difference from 330uf but I couldn't sense it, perhaps my hear is numb after listening to the OScon 330uf. (I tested with several songs, including rock, hip hop, vocal songs for each and every DAC)

Then I tried the Elna Silmic2, whoa... the mids... is damn awesome, if you are a vocal or mid person and who could care less about the bass, this is the one to go. The vocals voice that goes through the Silmic2 caps is so precise and focus. If you'd listen carefully, you can even actually imagine the artist's lips shaping to produce the sound we call music.

Last I tried Nichicon Muse, the DAC that should be coupled with an AMP. Beware, nichicon is very clear, it drills to the detail of the music. You can really hear the minor minor details of the song, but the problem is... it's awesome that you can hear details. But overall, it gets tiresome for me because everything sounds so equally good and none of them outshine each other, making the song sounds flatter. However, if you're a bassy person, you should really give nichicon muse a green light cool.gif

Spent about 2 hours trying out all these DACs, ended up buying three of them. One for myself, two for my friends.

In brief, I'd highly recommend this seller to everyone. Not only is he friendly, he's also honest about his products. If you were to find a seller, might as well find one who's interested and passionate in his field, and Slevin is one of those people.

*P.S: It really was my birthday yesterday lol.

Lesson learned, never get an amp before getting a DAC, now my hippo box+ sounded as though its pulling back the tunes...

Without amp it sounds so much better, in my opinion.

any entry level amp that you recommend?

erm budget desktop amp haha.

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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Aug 22 2011, 09:49 PM)
Lesson learned, never get an amp before getting a DAC, now my hippo box+ sounded as though its pulling back the tunes...

Without amp it sounds so much better, in my opinion.
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time to sell the hippo box and get proper amp

QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Aug 22 2011, 11:42 PM)
any entry level amp that you recommend?
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portable or desktop amp? hmm.gif

QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Aug 22 2011, 11:53 PM)
erm budget desktop amp haha.
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cant go wrong with fiio e9... cheap and budget desktop amp....


actually im also looking for a good desktop amp. using StepDance looks like overkill for desktop rig... (thou its sound freaking nice...) hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Aug 22 2011, 11:53 PM)
erm budget desktop amp haha.
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sry for a noob question
Will i get a better quality by changing high microFarad capacitors for pcm2704?
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Aug 21 2011, 12:42 AM)
Slevin Sent's PCM2704 DAC

Went and meet the seller today at Sunway Pyramid to get my DACs

Initially I told him that I wanted to buy only one DAC, yet he decided to come to Sunway Pyramid during Saturday near buka puasa time (really hard to find parking man, had to drive all the way up to the roof top to get my parking)

We went to Starbucks non-smoking area for an area with less noise in order to really test the DACs, seller decided to spend me a latte because today's my birthday! woot, free audition and free drinks lol, awesome. (btw, he didn't even check my IC  brows.gif   )

Anyway, he took out 4 different type of DACs, from OScon 330uf, OScon 220uf, Nichicon Muse and Elna Silmic2. He hint me on the signatures of each of the caps then suggested me to try every single one of them.

Started with OScon 330uf, I am not an audiophile person myself, so my hearing may not be as precise, neither is my explanation as well. Nonetheless, the OScon 330uf is more fun for me, I'd say the audio line has more variables. Suitable for people like me who listens to all range of musics.

Then I tried the OScon 220uf, the sound is similar to 330uf. There's a slight difference from 330uf but I couldn't sense it, perhaps my hear is numb after listening to the OScon 330uf. (I tested with several songs, including rock, hip hop, vocal songs for each and every DAC)

Then I tried the Elna Silmic2, whoa... the mids... is damn awesome, if you are a vocal or mid person and who could care less about the bass, this is the one to go. The vocals voice that goes through the Silmic2 caps is so precise and focus. If you'd listen carefully, you can even actually imagine the artist's lips shaping to produce the sound we call music.

Last I tried Nichicon Muse, the DAC that should be coupled with an AMP. Beware, nichicon is very clear, it drills to the detail of the music. You can really hear the minor minor details of the song, but the problem is... it's awesome that you can hear details. But overall, it gets tiresome for me because everything sounds so equally good and none of them outshine each other, making the song sounds flatter. However, if you're a bassy person, you should really give nichicon muse a green light  cool.gif

Spent about 2 hours trying out all these DACs, ended up buying three of them. One for myself, two for my friends.

In brief, I'd highly recommend this seller to everyone. Not only is he friendly, he's also honest about his products. If you were to find a seller, might as well find one who's interested and passionate in his field, and Slevin is one of those people.

*P.S: It really was my birthday yesterday lol.
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Nice review! I bought the OScon 330uf from Slevin. Very satisfied with the sound coming out from this tiny DAC. Too bad I didnt get the chance to test the other DACs from him. thumbup.gif

Just do another recommendation request using the 1st post format and wait for replies. wink.gif

Just curious, for Maverick Tube Magic D1 price equivalent, what is their worthy opponent? I like D1 ability to roll opamps and tubes but if possible, I want a portable size. Would love to go for DACPort but the price is too much for me. Discussion GO!

QUOTE(edwardng @ Aug 23 2011, 01:10 PM)
sry for a noob question
Will i get a better quality by changing high microFarad capacitors for pcm2704?
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Better quality is quite subjective. It will change the hearing experience. Do read up Cold|Drawn's review. Each caps has its own pros and cons.
The best is, what type of sound do you want to achieved? Bright? Bassy? If you want to pursue PCM2704 in which I know you have asked in the seller's thread, talk to the sellers if you can audition their products.

Else, use this format to ask for more recommendation.
Source : pmp, tablet, lappy,
Equipment : existing amp, amp/dac, cans,
Requirement : What u want in the amp, the characteristic / sound siggy
Budget : exact figure at least xxx-xxx

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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Aug 23 2011, 12:03 AM)
cant go wrong with fiio e9... cheap and budget desktop amp....
actually im also looking for a good desktop amp. using StepDance looks like overkill for desktop rig... (thou its sound freaking nice...)  hmm.gif
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Fiio E9 really good ?
I going receive my on next week~
will mod all the opamp to LTC and the regulator as well ~
dun care the warranty liao ~ hahaha.
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QUOTE(vex @ Aug 23 2011, 01:57 PM)
Fiio E9 really good ?
I going receive my on next week~
will mod all the opamp to LTC and the regulator as well ~
dun care the warranty liao ~ hahaha.
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its bang for your buck i would say... not the best amp on the market but hey... for that price... its hard to beat
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QUOTE(edwardng @ Aug 23 2011, 01:10 PM)
sry for a noob question
Will i get a better quality by changing high microFarad capacitors for pcm2704?
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Slevin Sent can tell you alot about the mods. i learned alot from talking to him =)

higher uF means more wide the sound come out... if too big then you will get ear fatigue listen 1-2 songs then ur ears feel tired and ur brain hurts
pick a suitable value recommended by seller and also brand.
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bigger is not always better *winks* i've stupidly tried lol
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QUOTE(beggarmaster2000 @ Aug 26 2011, 11:49 AM)
Slevin Sent can tell you alot about the mods. i learned alot from talking to him =)

higher uF means more wide the sound come out... if too big then you will get ear fatigue listen 1-2 songs then ur ears feel tired and ur brain hurts
pick a suitable value recommended by seller and also brand.
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bigger is not always better *winks* i've stupidly tried lol
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why the small capacitor must got LEG so high ? stick to the PCB board no good ?

some of my creative product also like this 1. I dun understand loh.

guy, where u ppl buy the audio capacitor ? i try find it at sim lim tower today, none of them sell elna audio cap ~~ sad.gif

argh~~ buy wrong value capacitor ~~ sad.gif


Added on August 27, 2011, 6:34 pmanyway, who want to buy oscon 6.3v 220/330 uf, i found cheaper here compare to RS.
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if possible u should avoid electrolytic caps for output coupling. if the value allowed, better to use non polarised poly caps

my pcm2704 dac..wima 6.8uf mkp10 as output coupling, sanyo oscon for supply filtering. yellow caps is elna.

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the wima mkp give a warm mid range and great vocal..it help tame the high of bright speaker.

6.8uf is not enough to directly drive a headphone, low frequency will be cut off due to the impedance

QUOTE(vex @ Aug 27 2011, 10:33 AM)
guy, where u ppl buy the audio capacitor ? i try find it at sim lim tower today, none of them sell elna audio cap ~~ sad.gif
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Try ebay

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hmm, what do you mean by wide?

and... what is the brand of the small cap you're using (the one with high legs)?

QUOTE(vex @ Aug 27 2011, 06:34 PM)
argh~~ buy wrong value capacitor ~~ sad.gif


Added on August 27, 2011, 6:34 pmanyway, who want to buy oscon 6.3v 220/330 uf, i found cheaper here compare to RS.
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What is RS?


Added on August 27, 2011, 6:45 pm
QUOTE(bibbyGirl @ Aug 27 2011, 05:10 AM)
if possible u should avoid electrolytic caps for output coupling. if the value allowed, better to use non polarised poly caps

my pcm2704 dac..wima 6.8uf mkp10 as output coupling, sanyo oscon for supply filtering. yellow caps is elna.

user posted image

the wima mkp give a warm mid range and great vocal..it help tame the high of bright speaker.

6.8uf is not enough to directly drive a headphone, low frequency will be cut off due to the impedance
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Is there any reference site that you can provide? hmm, I'm curious in wanting to learn the reasons why we should avoid the usual electrolytic caps.

and what do you mean by if the value allows? hmm hmm.gif

QUOTE(vex @ Aug 27 2011, 06:34 PM)
argh~~ buy wrong value capacitor ~~ sad.gif


Added on August 27, 2011, 6:34 pmanyway, who want to buy oscon 6.3v 220/330 uf, i found cheaper here compare to RS.
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How come you mentioned that you bought a wrong cap? the value too low?

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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Aug 27 2011, 06:38 PM)
What is RS?


Added on August 27, 2011, 6:45 pm

Is there any reference site that you can provide? hmm, I'm curious in wanting to learn the reasons why we should avoid the usual electrolytic caps.

and what do you mean by if the value allows? hmm  hmm.gif
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http://malaysia.rs-online.com/web/

this is RS malaysia, can buy many thing from there, but price is not cheap lah.

QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Aug 27 2011, 07:11 PM)
How come you mentioned that you bought a wrong cap? the value too low?
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25v 220uf, i goto buy 16v 220uf blak ~~

original correct 1 , after tat change change become wrong blak~ aisk...

they charge me very expensive for the ELNA cerefine, they say is limited edition now~ silmic also not so expensive. so i goto change other cheaper cap, ELNA TONEREX, then get wrong value blak ~

sad.gif

so lazy go der change... damn far....

singapore china town ~
today buy like tat also spend SGD 60 ...
jia lat nia.

from malaysia lah, but now at singapore holiday mah~


Added on August 27, 2011, 9:42 pmfiio E9 + D3, X-fi + ACS495 (speaker).

nichicon fine gold good or not ? i found is cheaper than elna silmic.
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Aug 27 2011, 06:38 PM)
What is RS?


Added on August 27, 2011, 6:45 pm

Is there any reference site that you can provide? hmm, I'm curious in wanting to learn the reasons why we should avoid the usual electrolytic caps.

and what do you mean by if the value allows? hmm  hmm.gif
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read here on how to choose a output coupling caps value and calculator

http://www.v-cap.com/coupling-capacitor-calculator.php
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lol so confusing wan XD

but 25v... is like a bit high right?

anyway, where's the location for that place


Added on August 27, 2011, 9:07 pm
QUOTE(bibbyGirl @ Aug 27 2011, 07:42 PM)
read here on how to choose a output coupling caps value and calculator

http://www.v-cap.com/coupling-capacitor-calculator.php
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Holy shit, I read the whole article but still don't understand what is it o_o....

btw, I'm using alessandro ms1i now + pcm2704 (specifically uct27m), any idea how to erm.. calculate?

Oh, and i thought you're from M'sia.

anyway, what DAC are you currently modding?

Learning how to mod a DAC properly really requires certain knowledge man...

Really freaking tough for me, as I have no basics in electronics

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QUOTE(vex @ Aug 26 2011, 12:15 PM)
why the small capacitor must got LEG so high ? stick to the PCB board no good ?

some of my creative product also like this 1. I dun understand loh.
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dunno bout yours, but i'm just lazy and simply just plonk stuff together without thingkin
i just drive my cheap cans directly so i just plonk in whatever thats works
QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Aug 26 2011, 02:37 PM)
hmm, what do you mean by wide?

and... what is the brand of the small cap you're using (the one with high legs)?
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wider freq lor... direct plug in cans mar... i'm cheaplo
small caps is some random jellybean elna re

you can also take bibbyGirl advice for mod. for higher end

cause mine is just randomly cheap and works... i always mod it randomly according to mood.
oscons supposed to be at power but i wanted the clean sound from pc for listening universal music genre on the cheap. tweak around to get the most value bang for buck because why waste so much on individual caps/sets for only specific music? i can youtube and still enjoy all my other songs without tweaking/tuning

don't bother to sit for cap class, double sided boards are too tough for newbs anyways...just buy something nice from readily available vendors!
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Holy shit, I read the whole article but still don't understand what is it o_o....

btw, I'm using alessandro ms1i now + pcm2704 (specifically uct27m), any idea how to erm.. calculate?
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u must first find out the input impedance of your headphone. if you are driving headphone directly u wont be able to use non electrolytic caps anyway..the value are too big for any poly caps. the big poly caps is like 10uf max which cost a bomb.

im running the pcm2704 bypassed without caps connecting to edifier c3. i find the high sound more detail this way. the dc offset is too small to be worried of.
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QUOTE(bibbyGirl @ Aug 28 2011, 03:05 AM)
u must first find out the input impedance of your headphone. if you are driving headphone directly u wont be able to use non electrolytic caps anyway..the value are too big for any poly caps. the big poly caps is like 10uf max which cost a bomb.

im running the pcm2704 bypassed without caps connecting to edifier c3. i find the high sound more detail this way. the dc offset is too small to be worried of.
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So headphones require bigger uf right? how does the microfarad affect the sound actually?
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QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Aug 28 2011, 09:26 AM)
So headphones require bigger uf right? how does the microfarad affect the sound actually?
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the capacitor characteristic affect the sound...

output coupling caps value affect the low frequency respone..

headphone usually 32 ohm will require much larger caps..so your only choice is electrolytic.


Added on August 28, 2011, 11:56 pm
QUOTE(Cold|Drawn @ Aug 28 2011, 09:26 AM)
So headphones require bigger uf right? how does the microfarad affect the sound actually?
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the capacitor characteristic affect the sound...

output coupling caps value affect the low frequency respone..

headphone of 16-32 ohm will require much larger caps..so your only choice is electrolytic.



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gonna ask sumthing here.....
Lets assume sum1 plans to get an headphone amp coz of sum weakness in their phones( ex, if sum1 using ety er4p or re0, they feel its bass light, hence, get some warm amps or those with bass boasting function like e11 or cmoyBB). i notice that most head amps sound sig out there is either warm or neutral. any1 noe any amps out there that could cater the other way aroung kind of sound sig( like if a basshead ieam/headphones like radius ddm or tma-1, where their main weakness is the trebel region, hence is there such amps out there which is well i dunno, bright maybe?

p/s: pls dun reply using software EQ, looking for amp solution, tq.
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Hi there... i want to ask which portable amplifier is good for me.. ibasso, ordnance, fiio, or graham slee?? any recommendation??

my source is iphone/macbook.. my earphone shure 425.

thx. smile.gif
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Hi there... i want to ask which portable amplifier is good for me.. ibasso, ordnance, fiio, or graham slee?? any recommendation??

my source is iphone/macbook.. my earphone shure 425.

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Budget?

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Budget?
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Good morning everyone,

I have a Aego M with me, and I've just sold my PC and sound card away and I need to find a suitable partner for my speaker. Any recommendation out there? My budget is below RM400. Previously I was using Creative Xtreme Music and it turned out to be quite bad the combination.

FYI Im using Macbook, a USB DAC would be more suitable.

My personal favourite genre is Jazz and R&B. Thanks for your help~

How about e11? Can it be a DAC? Or only an amplifier?

How about iBasso D2+ BOA? If I use a DAC+AMP on Aego M, do I only use its DAC function or DAC plus Amp? Aego M has a built-in amp.
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How about e11? Can it be a DAC? Or only an amplifier?
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Amplifier only.
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QUOTE(selferino @ Aug 29 2011, 04:32 PM)
gonna ask sumthing here.....
Lets assume sum1 plans to get an headphone amp coz of sum weakness in their phones( ex, if sum1 using ety er4p or re0, they feel its bass light, hence, get some warm amps or those with bass boasting function like e11 or cmoyBB). i notice that most head amps sound sig out there is either warm or neutral. any1 noe any amps out there that could cater the other way aroung kind of sound sig( like if a basshead ieam/headphones like radius ddm or tma-1, where their main weakness is the trebel region, hence is there such amps out there which is well i dunno, bright maybe?

p/s: pls dun reply using software EQ, looking for amp solution, tq.
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Prior to my understanding and reading on headphone amps, I hardly encounter/read up any standalone headphone amp to be having bright signature. (Maybe that's why no one replies to ur question.) Usually it's the DAC alone or DAC+amp combo that being described as having bright signature. AFAIK, the function of amp is to bring out more details in SQ and add in coloration.

So perhaps u should be looking for DAC solution.

Usually people will choose the headphones/earphones/IEM with the sound signature suit them, because no matter how u pair it with amp the original sound signature still remain there. Well, maybe it changes a bit though.

One more thing, bright sound signature is like reducing the low and take away the bass, then enhance on the clarity/details and mid/high. Which means it's also sort of a transparent signature, right? So if the SQ comes from DAC is not transparent/detail enough, how is the amp going to make the SQ clear, transparent, very details then? wink.gif

After I've done some reading on this subject, I personally think that DAC is way more important than amplifier.
Well, just my humble opinion. icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(khaiyuen @ Sep 5 2011, 12:13 AM)
How about iBasso D2+ BOA? If I use a DAC+AMP on Aego M, do I only use its DAC function or DAC plus Amp? Aego M has a built-in amp.
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There's AUX OUT/IN which u can connect to ur speaker, meaning u will just be using the DAC and bypass the AMP in D2+.
Unless u wana do double amping, u can connect it to the PHONE out. shakehead.gif

PS: I never tried D2+ so can't comment on the performance. blush.gif
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QUOTE(sheenho @ Sep 4 2011, 11:21 AM)
Prior to my understanding and reading on headphone amps, I hardly encounter/read up any standalone headphone amp to be having bright signature. (Maybe that's why no one replies to ur question.) Usually it's the DAC alone or DAC+amp combo that being described as having bright signature. AFAIK, the function of amp is to bring out more details in SQ and add in coloration.

So perhaps u should be looking for DAC solution.
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so only DAC solution for bright/detail kindda sound sig huh, interesting...
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Just need some opinion...is it SRH440 need an amp to fully shine...E11 is it any good for this headphone...thanks
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I wonder where to try out some dac for my aegoM. Need better soundstage and more on vocal song
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QUOTE(sheenho @ Sep 7 2011, 11:55 PM)
There's AUX OUT/IN which u can connect to ur speaker, meaning u will just be using the DAC and bypass the AMP in D2+.
Unless u wana do double amping, u can connect it to the PHONE out.  shakehead.gif 

PS: I never tried D2+ so can't comment on the performance.  blush.gif
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I think there will not be double amping but instead giving an enhanced signals (pre-amp) from the dac -->dac internal amp (pre-amp) --> aegoM amp. It could be better or I might be wrong. Btw I was trying them before on the ibasso boa D2 which couldn't bypass the internal amp section, but it sounded nice too. Not sure it would be better if bypassing the internal amp. While the bypass in ibasso d2+ is in the case that u hav a separate amp for your headphone, then doubleamp is not desired, it could do no harm or maybe better for speaker amp.

QUOTE(khaiyuen @ Sep 5 2011, 12:13 AM)
How about iBasso D2+ BOA? If I use a DAC+AMP on Aego M, do I only use its DAC function or DAC plus Amp? Aego M has a built-in amp.
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I might have a Ibasso D2, sitting idling for quite some time already. If you are interested to buy, we can discuss about it through PM. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(hng @ Sep 8 2011, 06:21 PM)
I think there will not be double amping but instead giving an enhanced signals (pre-amp) from the dac -->dac internal amp (pre-amp) --> aegoM amp. It could be better or I might be wrong. Btw I was trying them before on the ibasso boa D2 which couldn't bypass the internal amp section, but it sounded nice too. Not sure it would be better if bypassing the internal amp. While the bypass in ibasso d2+ is in the case that u hav a separate amp for your headphone, then doubleamp is not desired, it could do no harm or maybe better for speaker amp.
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Eh? What do u mean cannot bypass the internal amp section? No sound at all when u connect speaker to AUX IN/OUT?
It's stated in their website that it can work as DAC standalone.
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QUOTE(sheenho @ Sep 8 2011, 06:50 PM)
Eh? What do u mean cannot bypass the internal amp section? No sound at all when u connect speaker to AUX IN/OUT?
It's stated in their website that it can work as DAC standalone.
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Sorry i didn't make it clear. I'm having a ibasso boa d2 which doesn't have the function to bypass, while d2+ can do that. But the d2 can sing just fine, but I never had a chance on the d2+. My point is it is okay to plug it in in the headline out and also the line out. Perhaps khaiyuen can tell us about the difference, which way is better?
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QUOTE(hng @ Sep 8 2011, 08:17 PM)
Sorry i didn't make it clear. I'm having a ibasso boa d2 which doesn't have the function to bypass, while d2+ can do that. But the d2 can sing just fine, but I never had a chance on the d2+. My point is it is okay to plug it in in the headline out and also the line out. Perhaps khaiyuen can tell us about the difference, which way is better?
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Ah I see I see. I didn't know there's a D2 in their production line until moments ago, after googled it up. So I was kinda confused in my previous post. tongue.gif

Btw, I think khaiyuen is trying to find out how's the performance or improvement that D2+ will bring to AegoM, since he plans to get one.

Actually I'm still wondering how big is the improvement for the performance of speakers after using these DACs. I've tried my DAC with my speaker, S530D, but still I couldn't hear much difference. I can hear the big difference with my headphones though. sweat.gif

Oh man, just not long after I bought D6 for its DAC, CEntrance releases their new product. DACport LX, which is pure DAC without the intergrated amp. cry.gif
Link is here : DACport LX Review
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What's the difference between DAC and soundcard? Looking to buy either one for my S730D when I get it hmm.gif
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Hello bros,need your help again.beware I'm an audiophile noob smile.gif

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Requirement : DAC? I like my sound bassy,but currently it is bassy enough,so maybe more clarity?
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I'm enjoying the sound from my c710 with hippobox amp,and was wondering if there's anything i can do to upgrade the sound even better smile.gif i came across DAC on my search,so was wondering if the bros here agree with using DAC to better my existing setup,and what's the recommended DAC? hopefully it is not too big as my current setup is quite portable
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Hi all. One noob question plz. Can T-muso usb dac or other dac be powered by ipod/iphone, or is it for desktop/laptop only?

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all the daikor here.. something to ask.. I need an external sound card for laptop( mac book pro ) to drive harman kardon better.. which external sound card or Amp I can get ? sorry new in audiophile
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QUOTE(papo25 @ Aug 31 2011, 10:49 PM)
Hi there... i want to ask which portable amplifier is good for me.. ibasso, ordnance, fiio, or graham slee?? any recommendation??

my source is iphone/macbook.. my earphone shure 425.

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QUOTE(khaiyuen @ Sep 2 2011, 07:59 PM)
Good morning everyone,

I have a Aego M with me, and I've just sold my PC and sound card away and I need to find a suitable partner for my speaker. Any recommendation out there? My budget is below RM400. Previously I was using Creative Xtreme Music and it turned out to be quite bad the combination.

FYI Im using Macbook, a USB DAC would be more suitable.

My personal favourite genre is Jazz and R&B. Thanks for your help~
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QUOTE(limyc77 @ Sep 16 2011, 10:05 PM)
all the daikor here.. something to ask.. I need an external sound card for laptop( mac book pro ) to drive harman kardon better.. which external sound card or Amp I can get ? sorry new in audiophile
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FiiO E7 nod.gif
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Soundcard for movie & gaming, DAC more on music/audio betulkah?
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for T-muso nope, only use USB for power and data.

QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Sep 18 2011, 01:13 AM)
Soundcard for movie & gaming, DAC more on music/audio betulkah?
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Not really...

Even in sound card have DAC for example Asus Xonar D2X. There are four PCM1796 DAC's on the D2X that can provide 24-bit/192 KHz resolution sound to all 8 channels.
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QUOTE(nordingh @ Sep 18 2011, 02:24 AM)
Not really...

Even in sound card have DAC for example Asus Xonar D2X. There are four PCM1796 DAC's on the D2X that can provide 24-bit/192 KHz resolution sound to all 8 channels.
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Sound card internal need to access the back panel of PC casing, DAC via USB so it better. I don't thing the front I/O hub (in a ATX casing(CPU)) eg: my COOLER MASTER HAF 922 can be use cause the cable very thin sweat.gif .


Added on September 18, 2011, 10:54 amSo, what is ur advice to choose between DAC or Soundcard?

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FiiO E7  nod.gif
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How about e11? Can it be a DAC? Or only an amplifier?
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What's the difference between DAC and soundcard? Looking to buy either one for my S730D when I get it hmm.gif
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: Difference between DAC & Soundcards

QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Sep 18 2011, 10:53 AM)
Sound card internal need to access the back panel of PC casing, DAC via USB so it better. I don't thing the front I/O hub (in a ATX casing(CPU)) eg: my COOLER MASTER HAF 922 can be use cause the cable very thin sweat.gif .


Added on September 18, 2011, 10:54 amSo, what is ur advice to choose between DAC or Soundcard?
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Was finding a DAC that is good quality, near audiophile quality, at the same time affordable, my budget was around RM100, so possibly branded aren't suitable for me, as they are expansive.

I came across this DAC, but too bad the maker seems not to produce anymore. And quite affordable (rm90), with good quality. I'm kinda searching for this type of DAC, but most matters is the price.
USB DAC

Hope to find equivalent or nearby quality and pricing DAC, no internal amp doesn't matter, only need to connect from PC(netbook or laptop), from USB to amplifier, best if analog output(such as RCA), to bypass the lousy soundcard.

Hope someone can give me guidance for this matter.
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Actually I've been wondering whether the new GoVibe Mini USB DAC is the same as GoVibe USB DAC? I mean the chip inside and the performance as well. But the price differ by RM100.

Anyone?

QUOTE(guitar89 @ Sep 18 2011, 09:23 PM)
Was finding a DAC that is good quality, near audiophile quality, at the same time affordable, my budget was around RM100, so possibly branded aren't suitable for me, as they are expansive.

I came across this DAC, but too bad the maker seems not to produce anymore. And quite affordable (rm90), with good quality. I'm kinda searching for this type of DAC, but most matters is the price.
USB DAC

Hope to find equivalent or nearby quality and pricing DAC, no internal amp doesn't matter, only need to connect from PC(netbook or laptop), from USB to amplifier, best if analog output(such as RCA), to bypass the lousy soundcard.

Hope someone can give me guidance for this matter.
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Maybe u can try T-muso USB DAC PCM2704 v2.

Or GoVibe Mini USB DAC for RM150.
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QUOTE(wkkm007 @ Sep 18 2011, 01:13 AM)
Soundcard for movie & gaming, DAC more on music/audio betulkah?
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not really, im using govibe usb dac -> e11 -> ortofon eq7

and gaming happily + listening music too

but i sien keep need recharge the e11, so now i want find replacement for it at home, for like 500 bucks
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Did anyone tried Fiio's D3 or D5? I really need an advice, I might need to get a DAC soon, but both of them seems just so tempting, but I can't try them before buying. D3 uses optical in which my macbook has but don't know still working or not, it supports 24bit/192kHz, D5 only 16bit, uses USB but it has line out. Really struggling now :S

I'm currently not into DAC with integrated amp, plus my budget very low only. I think I gonna go with D3, ordered an adapter and a toslink cable from ebay gonna try on my friend's DAC see if it's still working or not first.
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IMO sound cards are said to be better for gaming only for it's surround sound support and possibly all the special effects (3D etc) that appeals to gamers. Just a guess. biggrin.gif

Other than those, I don't see how sound cards are better than any equivalent DACs. hmm.gif

@noobandroid
I remember ClieOS' review mentioned that finding an extra battery + external charger for the E11 isn't much of a chore.. Have you looked into that?

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Wait for E10? ETA October IINM. Quote from headfonia:
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Last I checked E10's price should be close to E11's. E10 is meant to serve the audiophile community, while D3/D5 is for the general consumer, hence the higher price and supposedly better SQ. brows.gif
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QUOTE(Agnaem @ Sep 18 2011, 11:26 PM)
Wait for E10? ETA October IINM. Quote from headfonia:

Last I checked E10's price should be close to E11's. E10 is meant to serve the audiophile community, while D3/D5 is for the general consumer, hence the higher price and supposedly better SQ. brows.gif
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E10 is nice... I would wait for this.

You alredy have D3?
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QUOTE(nordingh @ Sep 18 2011, 11:52 PM)
You alredy have D3?
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not yet, thinking of buying already, bought a mini toslink adapter and toslink cable from ebay and going to try on my friend's DAC if my optical out still works or not.

Yeah, I got an amp, Hippo Box+ sweat.gif D3 has it's own volume control, so I don't mind if I can't control the volume from my macbook.

Yeap, if you see the those shots of D3 there is a small metal handle, that's the volume control. It seems like a nice DAC only thing is it needs a mini USB for power, many in headfi used it for their TV audio, but for me I just want a good low budget DAC tongue.gif

that up/down switch is the volume control, or i'm wrong?
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You know you want to have one. brows.gif

Seriously, thanks to Mike's comment, I think I might not be able to wait till E17. tongue.gif

@more2teayap
Seems to me like you have made your decision on this one. So, what do you plan on using the D3 with? Cuz, AFAIK, if it's headphones, you'll end up needing an amp somehow. (So you can go near-max vol on your source and control the vol w/ the amp. Supposedly better SQ. Me no experience hence the 'supposedly'. tongue.gif)

p/s: Oh yea, some DAC's volume can't be controlled via PC/source, I don't know if D3 is one of them. hmm.gif

QUOTE(more2teayap @ Sep 19 2011, 12:51 AM)
Yeah, I got an amp, Hippo Box+ sweat.gif D3 has it's own volume control, so I don't mind if I can't control the volume from my macbook.
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Ok boss! You're good to go! biggrin.gif

D3 has its own vol control? A digital one? I was convinced that it was meant to be paired with an amp/active speakers since the only thing it does is convert digital source to analog output. hmm.gif (Dang, I need to read more. tongue.gif)

QUOTE(more2teayap @ Sep 19 2011, 01:07 AM)
Yeap, if you see the those shots of D3 there is a small metal handle, that's the volume control. It seems like a nice DAC only thing is it needs a mini USB for power, many in headfi used it for their TV audio, but for me I just want a good low budget DAC tongue.gif
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Sorry, all I see is the input selector. (Optical/Coaxial) hmm.gif

Anyway, from the reviews, seems like D3 is a really great thing for its price. thumbup.gif


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Ye lor.. where got volume?

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that up/down switch is the volume control, or i'm wrong?
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That's to change input...

Up for Coax
Down for Toslink.

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2 Coaxial/Optical switch:
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QUOTE(nordingh @ Sep 19 2011, 01:28 AM)
That's to change input...

Up for Coax
Down for Toslink.
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Uh-oh, confirm ah? shocking.gif Cause i thought up means volume up down means volume down, if like that I can't use D3 already sad.gif


Added on September 19, 2011, 1:45 am*heart break* Guess I gonna go back to D5 or GoVibe Mini DAC cry.gif But luckily haven't bought the DAC yet. Thanks for the info, nordingh. smile.gif

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im looking for AKG K514 .. if there any other headphone better than this ?? at my budget
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QUOTE(more2teayap @ Sep 19 2011, 01:30 AM)
Uh-oh, confirm ah? shocking.gif Cause i thought up means volume up down means volume down, if like that I can't use D3 already  sad.gif


Added on September 19, 2011, 1:45 am*heart break* Guess I gonna go back to D5 or GoVibe Mini DAC cry.gif But luckily haven't bought the DAC yet. Thanks for the info, nordingh. smile.gif
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because my amp doesn't have volume control, and if i'm not mistaken there are people in headfi saying that I can't control D3 from my mac. Therefore the volume will be like coming out maximum amount.
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QUOTE(Agnaem @ Sep 18 2011, 11:26 PM)
@wkkm007
IMO sound cards are said to be better for gaming only for it's surround sound support and possibly all the special effects (3D etc) that appeals to gamers. Just a guess. biggrin.gif

Other than those, I don't see how sound cards are better than any equivalent DACs.  hmm.gif

@noobandroid
I remember ClieOS' review mentioned that finding an extra battery + external charger for the E11 isn't much of a chore.. Have you looked into that?

@more2teayap
Wait for E10? ETA October IINM. Quote from headfonia:

Last I checked E10's price should be close to E11's. E10 is meant to serve the audiophile community, while D3/D5 is for the general consumer, hence the higher price and supposedly better SQ. brows.gif
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i have the charger, but the issue is not that, it's when it is charging, I CANT USE IT!!! vmad.gif mad.gif

thats why i finding plug powered

finding an amp:

details and soundstage main concern
need plug powered
relatively small in size, smaller than Uber Muzik tiny tube ok d
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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Sep 19 2011, 09:12 AM)
i have the charger, but the issue is not that, it's when it is charging, I CANT USE IT!!!  vmad.gif  mad.gif

thats why i finding plug powered
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Get extra nokia battery and desktop or universal charger for the battery.. solve the problem.
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QUOTE(sheenho @ Sep 18 2011, 09:32 PM)
Maybe u can try T-muso USB DAC PCM2704 v2.

Or GoVibe Mini USB DAC for RM150.
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It seems that the think have built-in amplifier, so its a bit expensive than the link i gave ? best if there if no built-in amplifier, so that i can perfectly hear the result of my amplifier (by not limiting to the built-in amplifier spec).
Any other recommendation ? (looking for best quality in the best price)

The goVibe seems nice (depends on the review writing), but there is no spec i could found, someone can provide me the link for goVibe Mini USB DAC ?(Spec & purchase link ?)
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QUOTE(sheenho @ Sep 9 2011, 09:03 PM)
Oh man, just not long after I bought D6 for its DAC, CEntrance releases their new product. DACport LX, which is pure DAC without the intergrated amp.  cry.gif
Link is here : DACport LX Review
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Niceeeeeeeee!!!

QUOTE(guitar89 @ Sep 19 2011, 01:42 PM)
It seems that the think have built-in amplifier, so its a bit expensive than the link i gave ? best if there if no built-in amplifier, so that i can perfectly hear the result of my amplifier (by not limiting to the built-in amplifier spec).
Any other recommendation ? (looking for best quality in the best price)

The goVibe seems nice (depends on the review writing), but there is no spec i could found, someone can provide me the link for goVibe Mini USB DAC ?(Spec & purchase link ?)
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T-Muso doesnt have built-in amp. Its a thru and thru DAC. DIY style.

Govibe USB DAC also good for starters.

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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Sep 19 2011, 02:03 PM)
T-Muso doesnt have built-in amp. Its a thru and thru DAC. DIY style.

Govibe USB DAC also good for starters.
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Item(s): T-muso USB DAC

Package includes: T-muso USB DAC + USB Cable

Price: RM120

Warranty: 1 month

T-muso new mini USB DAC card

BB's HIFI PCM2704 with chips!!!

Technical specifications:

USB Interface: PC2001 USB-B, Plug and Play, Windows2000, MAC OS9.1 and above operating system;
Built-in amp: easy drive 32 ohm headphones;
usb-powered: no power, very convenient.
Analog output: 3.5 stereo jack
Digital output: optical output
Sample Rate: 16Bit 32K 44.1K 48k
Dimensions: 75mm x 30mm x10mm
Plate Color: Black
Any idea which is better ? T-muso & GoVibe Mini USB ? (in relation with their price)
What do you mean by Good starter ? what about the T-muso ?
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QUOTE(guitar89 @ Sep 19 2011, 02:24 PM)
Any idea which is better ? T-muso & GoVibe Mini USB ? (in relation with their price)
What do you mean by Good starter ? what about the T-muso ?
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Dont think it has an amp. If it has, it doesnt make any difference at all. I own a T-Muso and I need a dedicated amp to really drive it.

Good starter for beginners or those with limited budget. Either one is good.

I used both before. Govibe USB DAC mainly for travelling and T-Muso for desktops.
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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Sep 19 2011, 03:13 PM)
Dont think it has an amp. If it has, it doesnt make any difference at all. I own a T-Muso and I need a dedicated amp to really drive it.

Good starter for beginners or those with limited budget. Either one is good.

I used both before. Govibe USB DAC mainly for travelling and T-Muso for desktops.
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For travelling ? can you describe how different it is ? hm.. seems t-muso is a good one !
may i know yours is worth how much ? (T-muso previously priced RM80, but new ones got better components, at RM120)

Well... myself is building those hi-fi amp (DIY open source), but i can't quite differentiate between normal speaker and those good with nice amp using computer source (don't have high class CD-player). Need to rate my built amp ! rclxm9.gif
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Because T-muso DAC is naked, without casing so it's not meant for bringing here and there. Well, u can put it in any candy box with the right size though.

Whereas GoVibe Mini USB DAC has a casing protecting the components inside.

Yah, we are talking about the new GoVibe Mini USB DAC which costs RM150. Actually I'm also kinda interested to know more about the spec of this tiny DAC. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(guitar89 @ Sep 19 2011, 03:19 PM)
For travelling ? can you describe how different it is ? hm.. seems t-muso is a good one !
may i know yours is worth how much ? (T-muso previously priced RM80, but new ones got better components, at RM120)

Well... myself is building those hi-fi amp (DIY open source), but i can't quite differentiate between normal speaker and those good with nice amp using computer source (don't have high class CD-player). Need to rate my built amp ! rclxm9.gif
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Travelling as in flying domestically or internationally due to my work.
My audio rig is more towards portable ones.

Last time I used a - not very good source like my mobile and chapalang mp3 player.
So I used Govibe DAC to nourish it.

T-Muso is quite recent (few month) as I need it to temporary replace my office desktop's built-in soundcard when I'm working.
But now I only use it at home as I prefer to listen to my music on my Fuze+cMoyBB.

If you're more for desktop, I would suggest the T-Muso. You better PM the seller as he has a variety of sound choice.
Do read the whole thread here http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1805482
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wow, well said ! I would sure find a clear invisible casing for it, to show its beauty ! (the nice of circuitry !)

QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Sep 19 2011, 03:47 PM)
Travelling as in flying domestically or internationally due to my work.
My audio rig is more towards portable ones.

Last time I used a - not very good source like my mobile and chapalang mp3 player.
So I used Govibe DAC to nourish it.

T-Muso is quite recent (few month) as I need it to temporary replace my office desktop's built-in soundcard when I'm working.
But now I only use it at home as I prefer to listen to my music on my Fuze+cMoyBB.

If you're more for desktop, I would suggest the T-Muso. You better PM the seller as he has a variety of sound choice.
Do read the whole thread here http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1805482
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hm... does mp3 player have a USB output ? never saw such thing, or the GoVibe is special ? X.x

I'm using netbook for myself, and like to switch here and there between computers, so i would love USB type.

Already take noticed of the post, just now sent a post on the thread, waiting for him to reply me.

hah,a sory about that, i was refering to USB ttype

hm....... new device....... then i guess i take t-muso first ! more attempting ^^

Maybe later i will take better ones
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QUOTE(guitar89 @ Sep 19 2011, 04:14 PM)
hm... does mp3 player have a USB output ? never saw such thing, or the GoVibe is special ? X.x

I'm using netbook for myself, and like to switch here and there between computers, so i would love USB type.

Already take noticed of the post, just now sent a post on the thread, waiting for him to reply me.
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LOL now you're confusing me. Which Govibe DAC are you referring to actually?
I dont have the DAC anymore, sold it.

It should have input output for source and head/earphones.

Come to think of it, I might talking about different Govibe DAC.
Had a meeting just now. Disoriented abit.

Oh the new Mini DAC. No idea. LOL.

RM150 is a good bargain. But better audition first lah. Hard to comment.
As long its better than HippoBox, should be fine.

Well, it depends to personal preference.
Some like everything in one box. Some, like to experiment with multiple sets.

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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Sep 19 2011, 09:12 AM)
i have the charger, but the issue is not that, it's when it is charging, I CANT USE IT!!!  vmad.gif  mad.gif

thats why i finding plug powered
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I know that it isn't usable while charging, hence the word external charger. In other words, what I wanted to say is as what nordingh said. smile.gif

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Is this a new version of Go-Vibe USB DAC? Still the same RM240 or is this the RM150 one? hmm.gif

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Product Description
This one's an interesting little gadget.
It's a great sounding USB DAC, fantastic addition to any computer!
The DAC chip is a Burr-Brown PCM2702, a quality chip.
Comes in a nice little box with a USB cable.

Mike's impression on E10.

Super positive review, performing close to the $189 Audinst HUD-MX1; beats the E7 by a mile at the price of $80, it's really hard to pass on the E10. drool.gif

E10 is way more tempting IMO. tongue.gif

A DAC w/o an amp is not really an option. YMMV

QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Sep 19 2011, 08:16 PM)
Well, it depends to personal preference.
Some like everything in one box. Some, like to experiment with multiple sets.
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Technically, you can still make E10 as part of your experiment since you can connect the line-out to other amps, but I think I get what you mean, and I agree. smile.gif

My post was merely an 'IMO' thing. Hope I didn't offend anybody. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Agnaem @ Sep 19 2011, 08:56 PM)
Technically, you can still make E10 as part of your experiment since you can connect the line-out to other amps, but I think I get what you mean, and I agree. smile.gif

My post was merely an 'IMO' thing. Hope I didn't offend anybody. notworthy.gif
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As long its not EMO, we're good to go! wink.gif

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Hegel HD2
http://www.hegel.com/hd2.htm
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any good portable DAC/amp around sub RM100?

Hold up, is DAC specifically for computers or is it also for music players like mp3/handphones/ipods etc?

If I have an MP3 player already, is DAC necessary or an amp is enough (to see the diff)?

Pardon my confusion about all this.
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lol.... even is was IMO, its OK
E10 was out of my budget ? prefer ONLY DAC (Usually cheaper than those with integrated AMP(on par quality), since i use my amp to do all the job !)

QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Sep 21 2011, 09:37 PM)
any good portable DAC/amp around sub RM100?
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hm... i was something like that also, but now i found it the price at below RM100 doesn't have here.
The one i AM going to get it (this weekend) is RM120 T-muso, with selectable application (gaming,etc) of
T-muso USB DAC
If you want, better PM him instead of post there. (faster response) Going to enjoy my music later.
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QUOTE(EightPhantomz @ Sep 19 2011, 09:44 PM)
As long its not EMO, we're good to go! wink.gif
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QUOTE(guitar89 @ Sep 19 2011, 11:11 PM)
lol.... even is was IMO, its OK
E10 was out of my budget ? prefer ONLY DAC (Usually cheaper than those with integrated AMP(on par quality), since i use my amp to do all the job !)
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If I have an amp, and not planning on using other amps, DAC only will be my choice. Plus I could stretch all my budget on DAC and not waste it on an amp that I most probably wont even use.

That said, I will buy a DAC only if I'm in your place. biggrin.gif

Reviews suggest that T-Muso by bro slevin is a great choice, but it would be great if you can try the slightly more expensive Go-Vibe Mini USB DAC b4 buying.
Just my 2 cents. smile.gif

QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Sep 21 2011, 09:37 PM)
any good portable DAC/amp around sub RM100?
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Short answer: No.

Long one: For such a price, your only choice are entry level sound cards. (e.g. the SB Play!) Technically they do have a DAC and probably an amp inside; but it's not the kind that appeals to audiophiles nor does it gives any significant difference to a usual stock on-board.

Even the cheapest of a good DAC costs more than RM100, albeit being close to RM100. To know what kind of price to expect in this (audiophile) world, my advice is to go and look at Fiio products line-up. You can't find anything better but cheaper than theirs.
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QUOTE(Agnaem @ Sep 21 2011, 10:03 PM)
Short answer: No.

Long one: For such a price, your only choice are entry level sound cards. (e.g. the SB Play!) Technically they do have a DAC and probably an amp inside; but it's not the kind that appeals to audiophiles nor does it gives any significant difference to a usual stock on-board.

Even the cheapest of a good DAC costs more than RM100, albeit being close to RM100. To know what kind of price to expect in this (audiophile) world, my advice is to go and look at Fiio products line-up. You can't find anything better but cheaper than theirs.
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QUOTE(Agnaem @ Sep 21 2011, 10:03 PM)
Short answer: No.

Long one: For such a price, your only choice are entry level sound cards. (e.g. the SB Play!) Technically they do have a DAC and probably an amp inside; but it's not the kind that appeals to audiophiles nor does it gives any significant difference to a usual stock on-board.

Even the cheapest of a good DAC costs more than RM100, albeit being close to RM100. To know what kind of price to expect in this (audiophile) world, my advice is to go and look at Fiio products line-up. You can't find anything better but cheaper than theirs.
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Is what I said. I didn't tell him to buy an E7 or anything. Or do you know anything cheaper and technically better than Fiio's range?
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according to above...... a humble learner reporting in =)
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conclusion: if you dont have the cash, dont do audiophile yet, learn first! with no idea of what is the entry level cah required, might as well we just ignore those questions

QUOTE(hamstrex @ Sep 22 2011, 11:26 AM)
according to above...... a humble learner reporting in =)
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hi, so how much is your budget and apa lu cari? prep at least 300 and above cash yaa


Added on September 22, 2011, 12:18 pm
QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Sep 22 2011, 11:37 AM)
http://www.head-fi.org/t/572575/review-hif...-hm-101-usb-dac
Review for the newly released Hifiman HM-101, costing a mere 39USD. Some looking for USB-DACs below RM150 might be interested in this. smile.gif
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i think some tax here and there+ distro profits will make it pass the RM100 mark definitely

QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Sep 22 2011, 12:44 PM)
Hold up, is DAC specifically for computers or is it also for music players like mp3/handphones/ipods etc?

If I have an MP3 player already, is DAC necessary or an amp is enough (to see the diff)?

Pardon my confusion about all this.
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mp3 players are DAP, DAC is for usb out from PC

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hi, so how much is your budget and apa lu cari? prep at least 300 and above cash yaa
nod.gif money save gao gao...... buy 1 item, but use for life rclxm9.gif

sifu-sifu sekalian..... i've a question..... besides go vibe porta tube what alternative could i have??? i am worried about the tube.. =D
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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Sep 22 2011, 12:17 PM)
i think some tax here and there+ distro profits will make it pass the RM100 mark definitely
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Oh even the price alone passes the RM100 mark, since it's 40USD and current exchange rates go between MYR3.1~3.2 per USD. smile.gif Shipping from Head-Direct should be around 15USD I reckon, so in total it oughta breach RM150 shipped. No taxes for this by the way(below RM500 in value, plus it should rightfully be declared as a computer related device). Not sure how this works out for commercial purchases meant for sales though.
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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Sep 22 2011, 12:46 PM)
mp3 players are DAP, DAC is for usb out from PC
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sweat.gif Thank you so very much. You saved me a lot, almost grab an E7 tongue.gif. Better take E5 and the rest of the budget for better cans
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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Sep 22 2011, 12:54 PM)
Oh even the price alone passes the RM100 mark, since it's 40USD and current exchange rates go between MYR3.1~3.2 per USD. smile.gif Shipping from Head-Direct should be around 15USD I reckon, so in total it oughta breach RM150 shipped. No taxes for this by the way(below RM500 in value, plus it should rightfully be declared as a computer related device). Not sure how this works out for commercial purchases meant for sales though.
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yeah, besides business purchase, bulk will also get hit by the shitstorm

QUOTE(工藤新一 @ Sep 22 2011, 05:29 PM)
anyone tried this DAC?
Hegel HD2
http://www.hegel.com/hd2.htm
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looks nice, goes up to 24/192 instead of 24/96, ask singapore dealer see, should cost u a fortune to get one, US$ 350 for one, so might get to RM1300, BUT their dealer only in singapore

QUOTE(hamstrex @ Oct 24 2011, 11:50 PM)
sifu-sifu sekalian..... i've a question..... besides go vibe porta tube what alternative could i have??? i am worried about the tube.. =D
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there is a UberMuzik TinyTube DAC AMP V2 coming soon, for now u ca get their V1, 24bit dac/amp tube
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Hi guys, just wondering, im using a laptop, and planning to get a 2.0 speaker setup (thinking Edifier R1900TIII). Question is, would it be better to pair the speakers to an external USB soundcard, or a USB-DAC, or something else? hope u can guys can recommend some poisons. budget around RM300. Thanks!! notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(danny_sp15 @ Sep 27 2011, 03:03 PM)
Hi guys, just wondering, im using a laptop, and planning to get a 2.0 speaker setup (thinking Edifier R1900TIII). Question is, would it be better to pair the speakers to an external USB soundcard, or a USB-DAC, or something else? hope u can guys can recommend some poisons. budget around RM300. Thanks!! notworthy.gif
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looks great! what sort of sound signature it has? im looking for something "warm". icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Sep 23 2011, 10:44 AM)
looks nice, goes up to 24/192 instead of 24/96, ask singapore dealer see, should cost u a fortune to get one, US$ 350 for one, so might get to RM1300, BUT their dealer only in singapore
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192/24 on coaxial

96/24 on USB
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Should i get Go-vibe mini DAC or should i get the Ordanance DAC-1
i am using Grado Sr80i and Ordanance .22 amp
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QUOTE(yui80 @ Oct 1 2011, 02:11 PM)
Should i get Go-vibe mini DAC or should i get the Ordanance DAC-1
i am using Grado Sr80i and Ordanance .22 amp
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perhaps brand matching (if it was me), i say Ordanance + Ordanance +SR80i
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Question here, should I get DAC (what kind? noob here) for my Audioenginne 5? My A5 only pair with my Asus Xonar DX, and play DotA and some MMOs. LIsten to rock songs and some trance songs.
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QUOTE(e_X @ Oct 3 2011, 10:25 AM)
Question here, should I get DAC (what kind? noob here) for my Audioenginne 5? My A5 only pair with my Asus Xonar DX, and play DotA and some MMOs. LIsten to rock songs and some trance songs.
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Tbh, I think ur sound card is quite good already.
If u are going to use it more on music listening than playing games, then yes I think u should get a decent DAC for music.

Can I assume that La Figaro also has the similar sound signature of Darkvoice? >.<

Really feel like getting one but can't find elaborated review anywhere.
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QUOTE(sheenho @ Oct 3 2011, 05:03 PM)
Tbh, I think ur sound card is quite good already.
If u are going to use it more on music listening than playing games, then yes I think u should get a decent DAC for music.
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Maybe I shoud invest on sub, thanks anyway.
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I owned a Sennheisser HD 595.
i felt it lack of bass very much, what amp is the best suitable for me?
a desktop amps or a portable amps?
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QUOTE(munak991 @ Oct 4 2011, 05:10 PM)
I owned a Sennheisser HD 595.
i felt it lack of bass very much, what amp is the best suitable for me?
a desktop amps or a portable amps?
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cn try govibe peak i guess it will be a good match IMO n still within budget amps smile.gif of course its desktop.

for portables i guess u cn try ibasso's D4 or D6 heck D2 wud already be fine as u cn use it at home as dac+amp also smile.gif

anyhows guys.

thinking of this setup

lappy > qed power chord> custom mini to rca> darkvoice > ad700 / dt880pro/600/250 / or senn 650 . wud it be mpre helpfull in buying a dac or a more powerfull amp, IMO d darkvoice ade abit slow sometimes, i repeat sometimes only larh when i wanna listen to fast rock beats i.e metallica. so heads up guys ! suggestions pls tongue.gif

anyone has tried the zero DAC or the audio-gd compass. how is their dac part?
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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Oct 4 2011, 06:24 PM)
What is your source  hmm.gif
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Source ipad? and PC?

What's a good DAC for Hivi x4?
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QUOTE(munak991 @ Oct 5 2011, 12:39 AM)
Source ipad? and PC?
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iPad > FiiO L3 > FiiO E7 > Senns

PC > USB > FiiO E7 > Senns

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Is there any bright amps available for about RM300? Love the bass boost that the E11 gives to my TMA-1, but feels it's too dark sometimes hmm.gif
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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Oct 5 2011, 07:46 AM)
PC > USB > FiiO E7 > Senns
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Or replace E7 with E10... thumbup.gif

QUOTE(FaezFarhan @ Oct 6 2011, 03:44 AM)
Is there any bright amps available for about RM300? Love the bass boost that the E11 gives to my TMA-1, but feels it's too dark sometimes hmm.gif
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I agree with you, E11 is more to dark. E11 is using AD8397 and hard to change to opamp yourself.

If compare with JDS CMOYbb using OPA2134 (modded), cmoy give a really bright sound.
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QUOTE(nordingh @ Oct 6 2011, 10:51 AM)
I agree with you, E11 is more to dark. E11 is using AD8397 and hard to change to opamp yourself.

If compare with JDS CMOYbb using OPA2134 (modded), cmoy give a really bright sound.
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How much will the CMOYbb and OPA2134 cost? smile.gif
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QUOTE(FaezFarhan @ Oct 6 2011, 01:21 PM)
How much will the CMOYbb and OPA2134 cost? smile.gif
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OPA2134 - http://malaysia.rs-online.com/web/p/op-amp/2858069/
OPA2604 - http://malaysia.rs-online.com/web/p/op-amp/0828678/
You can try 1st if you want..
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Hey guys, would like to improve music listening in terms of sound quality and clarity. Currently im using JBL Reference 410, and usually listen to APE or 320kbps format.

Any idea which headphone amp or DAC should i opt for? and Less than RM600.

Thanks peeps smile.gif

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Using t-Jays Two at the moment, lovin' it. Though, I need a good headphone while at home smile.gif
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QUOTE(Criptonox89 @ Oct 9 2011, 03:56 AM)
Hey guys, would like to improve music listening in terms of sound quality and clarity. Currently im using JBL Reference 410, and usually listen to APE or 320kbps format.

Any idea which headphone amp or DAC should i opt for? and Less than RM600.

Thanks peeps smile.gif
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hello there! i'm new to audiophiles! biggrin.gif
I recently just bought a Fischer audio headphone FA-004BK and i have to say its a preety awesome headphone with such price. I'm currently using it with my nokia n8 and nokia 5800. Whcih amp should i use to get the MAX out of that headphone?

*ps my budget is nothing more than RM350 smile.gif
ThankYou:)

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listen songs casually on iphone and blackberry. budget under rm200. need recommendation on earphones smile.gif

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QUOTE(nordingh @ Oct 6 2011, 09:32 PM)
update a bit on this, calmshot currently OOS on CMoy, so get directly from JDS, lebih kurang harga till your doorstep, i know cause i ordered one from them, arrive within the week

QUOTE(techi5 @ Oct 9 2011, 07:07 PM)
hello there! i'm new to audiophiles! biggrin.gif
I recently just bought a Fischer audio headphone FA-004BK and i have to say its a preety awesome headphone with such price. I'm currently using it with my nokia n8 and nokia 5800. Whcih amp should i use to get the MAX out of that headphone?

*ps my budget is nothing more than RM350 smile.gif
ThankYou:)
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i think you should beef up your source and use dedicated players, and that goes to another section

QUOTE(jhchong @ Oct 9 2011, 10:15 PM)
listen songs casually on iphone and blackberry. budget under rm200. need recommendation on earphones smile.gif

thanks
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this part is for DAC and amps, earphone on another section

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1849925

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i think you should beef up your source and use dedicated players, and that goes to another section
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dedicated player u mean mp3? i'm currently eyeing on cube c30. many people say thats a good one. Anyway, besides mp3 player, i will still be getting an amp. What is teh difference between E11 and E9? why e9 more pricey?
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QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Sep 22 2011, 02:32 PM)
sweat.gif Thank you so very much. You saved me a lot, almost grab an E7 tongue.gif. Better take E5 and the rest of the budget for better cans
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Consider E6 as newer version! rclxms.gif

QUOTE(techi5 @ Oct 9 2011, 07:07 PM)
hello there! i'm new to audiophiles! biggrin.gif
I recently just bought a Fischer audio headphone FA-004BK and i have to say its a preety awesome headphone with such price. I'm currently using it with my nokia n8 and nokia 5800. Whcih amp should i use to get the MAX out of that headphone?

*ps my budget is nothing more than RM350 smile.gif
ThankYou:)
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Fiio E11 nod.gif

QUOTE(techi5 @ Oct 9 2011, 10:27 PM)
dedicated player u mean mp3? i'm currently eyeing on cube c30. many people say thats a good one. Anyway, besides mp3 player, i will still be getting an amp. What is teh difference between E11 and E9? why e9 more pricey?
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E9 are for Desktop/lap top and ready to pair with E7
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Normally it would be Laptop/desktop.  smile.gif
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E7 has in-build battery, takes both USB and 3.5mm audio in for portability. E10 has no battery and only USB in.

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Hello guys.. I'm just wondering, is it worth it to buy a Fiio E3 for my earphones and headphones (not audiophile headphones blush.gif )? I mainly use my SonicGear Earpump 2.. I chose the Fiio E3 because I want a clearer sound and maybe a bit more bass for the cheapest price.. My sources are my Nokia 5130, Ipod Shuffle and Laptop.. biggrin.gif

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Box+ should be good enough to drive the Solo. Just head to Jaben and give it a try and see if that combination satisfies u wink.gif

QUOTE(BanG_DeaD @ Oct 15 2011, 02:53 PM)
Hello guys.. I'm just wondering, is it worth it to buy a Fiio E3 for my earphones and headphones (not audiophile headphones blush.gif )? I mainly use my SonicGear Earpump 2.. I chose the Fiio E3 because I want a clearer sound and maybe a bit more bass for the cheapest price.. My sources are my Nokia 5130, Ipod Shuffle and Laptop..  biggrin.gif

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I'd advise u to upgrade ur earphones first instead of wasting money buying amp for it. Fiio E3 will probably make no difference. Add abit more money u can get some entry-level hippo/superlux earphones which are far more superior than sonic gear's.
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QUOTE(BanG_DeaD @ Oct 15 2011, 02:53 PM)
Hello guys.. I'm just wondering, is it worth it to buy a Fiio E3 for my earphones and headphones (not audiophile headphones blush.gif )? I mainly use my SonicGear Earpump 2.. I chose the Fiio E3 because I want a clearer sound and maybe a bit more bass for the cheapest price.. My sources are my Nokia 5130, Ipod Shuffle and Laptop..  biggrin.gif

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E3 will give a little bass boost, but I doubt it would make anything clearer. A head/earphone upgrade is recommended for a significant upgrade@difference.
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QUOTE(CoolBoy89 @ Oct 15 2011, 05:04 PM)
I'd advise u to upgrade ur earphones first instead of wasting money buying amp for it. Fiio E3 will probably make no difference. Add abit more money u can get some entry-level hippo/superlux earphones which are far more superior than sonic gear's.
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QUOTE(Agnaem @ Oct 15 2011, 07:19 PM)
E3 will give a little bass boost, but I doubt it would make anything clearer. A head/earphone upgrade is recommended for a significant upgrade@difference.
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Will the Hippo Groove do any better? hmm.gif

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Will the Hippo Groove do any better?  hmm.gif
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Take the advice, get a better earphone rather than spent on the amp.

ANyway, this is not the headphone/earphone threads.

Yes, should be better than Sonicgear

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QUOTE(nordingh @ Oct 16 2011, 02:39 AM)
Take the advice, get a better earphone rather than spent on the amp.

ANyway, this is not the headphone/earphone threads.
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Taking.. brows.gif But i have very low budget.
I know this is not a headphone/earphone thread but i wanted to reply to these guys who replied to me because it'll be easier.
I just need 1 reply back- A 'yes' or 'no' laugh.gif
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any suggestion for a good desktop amp around RM200 ~ RM300? i got E10 in my head right now hmm.gif
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QUOTE(GenericMav @ Oct 16 2011, 03:16 AM)
any suggestion for a good desktop amp around RM200 ~ RM300?  i got E10 in my head right now hmm.gif
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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Oct 16 2011, 12:16 PM)
JDS cMoyBB plugged into a power source
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i just realize it can be powered by DC adapter tongue.gif
hmm.. can save a bit penny for this

second to that, tested HippoBox+ before, and IMO it still didnt sounds up to its price hmm.gif

i'm still having hard time considering E11 or E10 (or cMoy), but yeah, time to wait and see hmm.gif

why not E10? you're using mostly lappy right? hmm.gif

anyone heard about the Hifiman HM-101 entry level USB DAC? hmm.gif

it sounds like a something-that-should-have and what's more, lesser wallet damage flex.gif

for pure DAC, if just only for desktop use, i would love to point out Hifiman Express HM101, cheap entry level DAC
but no one bringing that stuff here yet, but again, i guess E10 would do the work better hmm.gif

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QUOTE(GenericMav @ Oct 16 2011, 12:41 PM)
i just realize it can be powered by DC adapter  tongue.gif
hmm.. can save a bit penny for this
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CMOY can be use with normal battery, rechargeable battery(with upgrade kit) and also with power adapter directly.

I use adapter when at home and battery when out. If you change the opamp, better to use the adapter as some opamp use more power.

yes, it's fun to change the opamp everyday.
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i`m thinking of buying amp for my use,(thinking FiiO)
i will be using it with my headphone Superlux 668B connect with my pc(SonicGear A5) or my N8,(portable)
can anybody recommend me which one,
low budget>E5
2 in 1>E7
high budget>E11
or any model that u know,
thanks.

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QUOTE(hongrui @ Oct 19 2011, 01:17 PM)
not in any order of preference:
ibasso D10/D12 (you probably have to swap the opamps from stock to get the warmness)
rudistor linearossa W3
centrance DACport (takes usb input only. transportable, but not portable)
uber muzik Tiny Tube DAC (tube amp, needs power supply. transportable)
nuforce uDAC2 (usb powered, transportable)

'somewhat' out of your budget but i feel is totally worth the price: pico amp/dac.

there should/could be more that i have missed, but these are the ones that i can recall off the top of my head, prices should also be somewhere around your budge too. have fun auditioning them!

or to make things slightly easier, do you already have got any amp/dac in mind?


Added on October 19, 2011, 1:22 pmoh ya, terrygls,

bring your reply to this thread: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1938025/+640

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if you're looking to audition the uber muzik TTD, can drop me a PM.

2stepdance is a pure amp, if i'm not wrong. if it sounds like the previous model, stepdance, its a clean and natural sounding amplifier, with a slightly warm touch.
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QUOTE(terrygls @ Oct 19 2011, 02:50 PM)
Thanks bro, really help narrow it down. Now looking @ Uber Muzik, Nuforce, or Pico sweat.gif . Recently saw this Meier Audio CORDA 2STEPDANCE amp, wondering any opinion on this awesome looking amp, thanks cool.gif
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The 2Stepdance amp is a pretty good and solid sounding portable amp, with a fairly flexible 'upgradable' power option when you hook it up to a higher voltage power source (eg 15v Energizer Battery Pack). However, the caveat is it does not come with a DAC.


ADD: Dang I was late.

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anyone has tried the zero DAC or the audio-gd compass. how is their dac part?
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Anyone can recommend a good dac for computer? Would prefer something like a soundcard. Currently looking at either the Creative Elite Pro or Asus Xonar HD1.3

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guys..Hippo Box+ or Fiio e11? or any better suggestion in the same price range? i'm using M50 with my laptop
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QUOTE(wolfverine81 @ Oct 17 2011, 01:12 PM)
i`m thinking of buying amp for my use,(thinking  FiiO)
i will be using it with my headphone Superlux 668B connect with my pc(SonicGear A5) or my N8,(portable)
can anybody recommend me which one,
low budget>E5
2 in 1>E7
high budget>E11
or any model that u know,
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take the E7 and hold on to it until you have the wide amount of money. E7 is good enough for dac+amp

get fiio e11, i had both, and i prefer e11, very impressive device, has gain and boost which hiipo box + dont have, and box+ no vol control, e11 uses potentiometer
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guys..Hippo Box+ or Fiio e11? or any better suggestion in the same price range? i'm using M50 with my laptop
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W/ laptop only, or w/ DAP as well? If laptop only, get the E10. (or any other DAC/Amp combo)

I didn't have a DAC or any decent sc, so it's a must before getting an amp. Add limited budget to the equation, E10 became an easy choice over E11 and others.

Also, a Hifiman Express: HM-101 might be a good choice for those looking for DAC only. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Agnaem @ Oct 23 2011, 04:45 PM)
W/ laptop only, or w/ DAP as well? If laptop only, get the E10. (or any other DAC/Amp combo)
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QUOTE(MrAvatar @ Oct 23 2011, 04:47 PM)
not interested with fiio's dac..tat's why i asking e11
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u got another dac? anything will work wonderfully with E11,
p/s: one drawback.. E11 cant be used when it is charging, so u need a spare battery and charger, so it wont interrupt ur "sensation"

QUOTE(GenericMav @ Oct 23 2011, 05:23 PM)
i'm still having hard time considering E11 or E10 (or cMoy), but yeah, time to wait and see  hmm.gif
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any recommendation? notworthy.gif
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ZUNE ! drool.gif

add: errr this is DAC recomendation nt DAP is player not DAC icon_rolleyes.gif
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guys,i hav a senn IE8 and mostly used with my lappie n hp....can intro me some amp?budget below 250
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QUOTE(daisuke @ Oct 27 2011, 09:59 PM)
guys,i hav a senn IE8 and mostly used with my lappie n hp....can intro me some amp?budget below 250
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QUOTE(daisuke @ Oct 27 2011, 09:59 PM)
guys,i hav a senn IE8 and mostly used with my lappie n hp....can intro me some amp?budget below 250
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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Oct 27 2011, 10:05 PM)
FiiO E11

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E1 why not rekomen him a dac+amp, since he on lappy without a usb dac also
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QUOTE(MrAvatar @ Oct 23 2011, 01:38 PM)
guys..Hippo Box+ or Fiio e11? or any better suggestion in the same price range? i'm using M50 with my laptop
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QUOTE(daisuke @ Oct 27 2011, 09:59 PM)
guys,i hav a senn IE8 and mostly used with my lappie n hp....can intro me some amp?budget below 250
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AMP only? the Fiio E11 flex.gif . If on tight budget, Fiio E6 nod.gif
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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Oct 27 2011, 10:10 PM)
E1 why not rekomen him a dac+amp, since he on lappy without a usb dac also
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Yes, daisuke does need a DAC/Amp but his budget does not allow for one blush.gif

QUOTE(GenericMav @ Oct 29 2011, 06:40 AM)
why not E10? you're using mostly lappy right?  hmm.gif
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Yes, daisuke does need a DAC/Amp but his budget does not allow for one  blush.gif
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Is Fiio D5 suitable for speakers?
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Any Hifiman EF5 user here? Kinda interested on how it sounds. =]

QUOTE(GenericMav @ Nov 4 2011, 02:59 PM)
anyone heard about the Hifiman HM-101 entry level USB DAC?  hmm.gif
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Have not listened to the DAC, it's using PCM2702.

Found a review by Headphonia.
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Anyone owned the Fiio E10 already? How does it sounds like? I might want to buy one to match my DT440, is it a good match?
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QUOTE(Lennox @ Oct 27 2011, 10:12 PM)
AMP only? the Fiio E11 flex.gif . If on tight budget, Fiio E6  nod.gif
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or Fiio E7 if got extra moneyflies.gif (to daisuke)

QUOTE(more2teayap @ Nov 5 2011, 09:11 AM)
Anyone owned the Fiio E10 already? How does it sounds like? I might want to buy one to match my DT440, is it a good match?
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i have... goto fiio thread and read my comments there.... link in my signature
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QUOTE(nordingh @ Nov 5 2011, 07:18 PM)
i have... goto fiio thread and read my comments there.... link in my signature
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Saw the post you comment on E10, is the jack that bad? I would like to try it first before I buy, cause I had totally no idea how does it sounds like, too bad Jaben did not take any E10 sad.gif
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QUOTE(more2teayap @ Nov 6 2011, 01:10 AM)
Saw the post you comment on E10, is the jack that bad? I would like to try it first before I buy, cause I had totally no idea how does it sounds like, too bad Jaben did not take any E10 sad.gif
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Read for yourself here. Focus on ClieOS' and Feaio's replies.

While E10's headphone out jack do looks slightly bigger than normal 3.5mm jack, noise is pretty much normal if you somehow manages to make the internal connection loose by playing around with the jack.

Then again, I've no problem w/ my E10, even when I played around with the jack, at angles way more than a normal use would cause the jack to move.

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QUOTE(Agnaem @ Nov 6 2011, 01:37 AM)
Read for yourself here. Focus on ClieOS' and Feaio's replies.

While E10's headphone out jack do looks slightly bigger than normal 3.5mm jack, noise is pretty much normal if you somehow manages to make the internal connection loose by playing around with the jack.

Then again, I've no problem w/ my E10, even when I played around with the jack, at angles way more than a normal use would cause the jack to move.
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I see, but still if I could try it out that would be awesome. unsure.gif

iBasso D0 supports 24bit? The wolfson chip does support 24bit but the PCM2706 will it limit the resolution?
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Can you guys recommend good DAP/Amp for desktop at around RM300? I usually listen to alt rock and jazz ( Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck, Pink Floyd, Radiohead, etc... )

Oops yea was referring to DAC sorry, might give it a try. Any other recommendations?

*Edit; I'm using a Shure 440, if that helps in any way.

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QUOTE(more2teayap @ Nov 6 2011, 01:57 AM)
I see, but still if I could try it out that would be awesome. unsure.gif
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yes, it's awesome... i would sell my fiio e11 for it... if I have to.

anyway i have both.

QUOTE(KepalaRadio @ Nov 9 2011, 01:59 AM)
Can you guys recommend good DAP/Amp for desktop at around RM300? I usually listen to alt rock and jazz ( Miles Davis, Dave Brubeck, Pink Floyd, Radiohead, etc... )
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DAP or DAC hmm.gif

If DAC, you can try Fiio E10. E10 is good for Rock.

QUOTE(KepalaRadio @ Nov 9 2011, 02:18 AM)
Oops yea was referring to DAC sorry, might give it a try. Any other recommendations?

*Edit; I'm using a Shure 440, if that helps in any way.
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I also using 440
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QUOTE(more2teayap @ Nov 8 2011, 09:08 AM)
iBasso D0 supports 24bit? The wolfson chip does support 24bit but the PCM2706 will it limit the resolution?
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Yeap. PCM2706 only plays up to 16/48...

QUOTE(GenericMav @ Nov 9 2011, 02:50 AM)
for pure DAC, if just only for desktop use, i would love to point out Hifiman Express HM101, cheap entry level DAC
but no one bringing that stuff here yet, but again, i guess E10 would do the work better  hmm.gif
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TBH I am tempted to grab one for office use, since I can just chuck it in my office drawer. laugh.gif But then again, I already have an iBasso D6 which I could bring to office too. Hmm...
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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Nov 9 2011, 09:15 AM)
TBH I am tempted to grab one for office use, since I can just chuck it in my office drawer. laugh.gif But then again, I already have an iBasso D6 which I could bring to office too. Hmm...
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wanted to ask if i have x-fi + aego M. how can i upgrade my set up without wasting x-fi?
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I already tried hippo box,e6 i i think hippo box sound abit better than e6,but end up bought e11,because hippo don have volume controller..

QUOTE(Pangkey @ Nov 10 2011, 10:29 AM)
just bought hd25-1 ii, any recomendation on what to pair this with?
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oh u bought the headphone already?u bought from stereo?if u still at singapore just head over to adelphi & go to jaben there,i already bought e11 from them.but before that i already tried alot amp at thier shop.

Did you guy do burn in on your amp?now i just got my klipsch s4,i just start to burn my s4 with e11.
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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Nov 8 2011, 10:19 AM)
Yeap. PCM2706 only plays up to 16/48...
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Owhhh, what a waste... sad.gif

Mhmmm, is it possible where double amp will make things sounds better?
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QUOTE(Oxburg @ Nov 10 2011, 05:04 AM)
wanted to ask if i have x-fi + aego M. how can i upgrade my set up without wasting x-fi?
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optical out to an external amp den to aego M
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QUOTE(naminakata87 @ Nov 11 2011, 11:28 PM)
Did you guy do burn in on your amp?now i just got my klipsch s4,i just start to burn my s4 with e11.
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I did mine around 50 to 100 hours. Enjoy your new amp, you should try ibasso d zero, awesome taste
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QUOTE(Vryon @ Nov 11 2011, 11:46 PM)
I did mine around 50 to 100 hours. Enjoy your new amp, you should try ibasso d zero, awesome taste
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Again, how is the DZero sound? I never tried it before. smile.gif
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QUOTE(sheenho @ Nov 12 2011, 12:53 AM)
Again, how is the DZero sound? I never tried it before.  smile.gif
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tried it earlier, though never thoroughly tested it

first impressions were good, they produced clean sound

gonna try again tomorrow biggrin.gif

rechargable built in battery, able to power up high impedance headphones, for RM429 is quite tempting tongue.gif

people say its bright, just the kind of sound i like biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(Vryon @ Nov 7 2011, 05:05 PM)
Hmm, what do you guys think about Ordnance .22 ?
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it gives a forwarding sound, which in return, makes certain instruments sound distorted to me... examples are music box/vibraphone, cant recall which one of these sounded weird with .22

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QUOTE(naminakata87 @ Nov 11 2011, 11:28 PM)
Did you guy do burn in on your amp?now i just got my klipsch s4,i just start to burn my s4 with e11.
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QUOTE(naminakata87 @ Nov 10 2011, 02:11 PM)
oh u bought the headphone already?u bought from stereo?if u still at singapore just head over to adelphi & go to jaben there,i already bought e11 from them.but before that i already tried alot amp at thier shop.
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yes bought already haha

u mean adelphi opposite funan? how is e11? is that fio e11? how much u bought it for? good?
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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Nov 11 2011, 07:57 PM)
optical out to an external amp den to aego M
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is there any amp that can tighten headphone bass? for my ES7 smile.gif
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QUOTE(Vryon @ Nov 11 2011, 11:46 PM)
I did mine around 50 to 100 hours. Enjoy your new amp, you should try ibasso d zero, awesome taste
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How much this amp actualy?Did you let your amp play music for the whole night?i just finish recharge the amp,now i start burn in again..

QUOTE(Pangkey @ Nov 12 2011, 04:12 PM)
yes bought already haha

u mean adelphi opposite funan? how is e11? is that fio e11? how much u bought it for? good?
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I think adelphi at city hall mrt there,nearby penisula i think,but i dont know funan,e11 good actualy,i tried few amp over there,porta tube,e6,e7,i suggest u try hippp box,u can hear the alot improvement on the sound. I bought at sgd 78,but hippo box they sell at 148 dollar if im not wrong,but due to my budget i bought e11,with the amp the sound so much more nice then the headphone it self.

QUOTE(yuan415 @ Nov 13 2011, 08:15 AM)
is there any amp that can tighten headphone bass? for my ES7 smile.gif
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get fiio e11,it will help u improve&tighten the bass on your headphone or get the hippo box+
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QUOTE(more2teayap @ Nov 13 2011, 04:01 PM)
Mhmmm, is it possible where double amp will make things sounds better?
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1st time i heard "double amp" sounds weird
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QUOTE(yuan415 @ Nov 13 2011, 08:15 AM)
is there any amp that can tighten headphone bass? for my ES7 smile.gif
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Mhmmm, is it possible where double amp will make things sounds better?
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In all audio system design, double amping is a big no no mad.gif

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QUOTE(E1 - AKG @ Nov 13 2011, 06:17 PM)

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In all audio system design, double amping is a big no no  mad.gif
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Chill chill, just asking smile.gif So is it true that most laptops DAC have an amp in it? I really am sucks when comes to DAC circuit stuffs. sad.gif
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Hi, do you guys heard about Styleaudio DAC/Amp?
currently I planning to get a DAC to replace my onboard sound card sweat.gif
I am looking into ibasso D10/D12, styleaudio ruby2/topaz
or I should get a pure DAC without amp as I don't need it?

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QUOTE(helmut_lim @ Nov 13 2011, 10:24 PM)
Hi, do you guys heard about Styleaudio DAC/Amp?
currently I planning to get a DAC to replace my onboard sound card  sweat.gif
I am looking into ibasso D10/D12, styleaudio ruby2/topaz
or I should get a pure DAC without amp as I don't need it?
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It's hard to go wrong with iBasso's product, especially when you can test it out at Jaben to see whether you like it. smile.gif The additional amp section can be considered as a convenience, for example when you cannot bring your (possibly) desktop amplifier with you, unless you're 100% certain that you won't be needing the amp section. Even so, you can just use line-out to utilise the device's DAC section.
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QUOTE(Pangkey @ Nov 12 2011, 04:12 PM)
yes bought already haha

u mean adelphi opposite funan? how is e11? is that fio e11? how much u bought it for? good?
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QUOTE(more2teayap @ Nov 13 2011, 07:12 PM)
Chill chill, just asking smile.gif So is it true that most laptops DAC have an amp in it? I really am sucks when comes to DAC circuit stuffs. sad.gif
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all laptops DAC have an amp. but some laptops also have a line out, which should bypass the amp section.

double amping is a big no no, but audio is a very personal preference and some people may actually prefer double amp-ing. it is my personal opinion that DACport -> Amp is double amping. and centrance also realized and corrected it by issuing DACport LX.

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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Nov 13 2011, 11:14 PM)
It's hard to go wrong with iBasso's product, especially when you can test it out at Jaben to see whether you like it. smile.gif The additional amp section can be considered as a convenience, for example when you cannot bring your (possibly) desktop amplifier with you, unless you're 100% certain that you won't be needing the amp section. Even so, you can just use line-out to utilise the device's DAC section.
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hmm.gif
then I will get a ibasso D10 if stock available....
Sorry about a noob question, by changing the opAmp is change the signature of both headphone out and line out?
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QUOTE(helmut_lim @ Nov 14 2011, 01:01 PM)
hmm.gif
then I will get a ibasso D10 if stock available....
Sorry about a noob question, by changing the opAmp is change the signature of both headphone out  and line out?
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Only the headphone out, as the line-out bypasses internal amplification for iBasso products. smile.gif Consider the iBasso D12, the successor to the D10, or if you don't need the additional connectivity functions (optical and coaxial), the iBasso D6.

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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Nov 14 2011, 01:39 PM)
Only the headphone out, as the line-out bypasses internal amplification for iBasso products. smile.gif Consider the iBasso D12, the successor to the D10, or if you don't need the additional connectivity functions (optical and coaxial), the iBasso D6.
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hmm....I need both USB and optical for PC/PS3.
ya, Jaben recommend me ibasso D12 when I visited their store, but that time I plan to buy maverick audio but no stock -.-"
So now looking for another option.
is it big different between D10 and D12? actually what is the advantage of dual DAC?
Thanks for your reply anyway~!
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QUOTE(hongrui @ Nov 14 2011, 08:42 AM)
all laptops DAC have an amp. but some laptops also have a line out, which should bypass the amp section.

double amping is a big no no, but audio is a very personal preference and some people may actually prefer double amp-ing. it is my personal opinion that DACport -> Amp is double amping. and centrance also realized and corrected it by issuing DACport LX.
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So currently I'm doing double amping at all the time? rclxub.gif
my my~

But for my portable setup I had no choice, unless I'm going to spend another few hundreds to buy a new DAP which have line out.
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QUOTE(helmut_lim @ Nov 14 2011, 02:45 PM)
hmm....I need both USB and optical for PC/PS3.
ya, Jaben recommend me ibasso D12 when I visited their store, but that time I plan to buy maverick audio but no stock -.-"
So now looking for another option.
is it big different between D10 and D12? actually what is the advantage of dual DAC?
Thanks for your reply anyway~!
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I've tested the D10 and I wasn't impressed by it at all, compared to the iBasso D6. Unfortunately, I couldn't give you a direct comparison of the D10 and the D12. Why not let your ears decide? brows.gif I'm quite sure you'll go for the D12 too laugh.gif
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QUOTE(more2teayap @ Nov 14 2011, 06:21 PM)
So currently I'm doing double amping at all the time? rclxub.gif
my my~
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what is your current portable setup?

if your laptop / sound card has got an analog line out, you can use that to connect directly into your amp (the analog line out should have bypassed the internal amp). if its a digital line out, then you will need an external DAC.

laptop headphone out -> amp -> cans = double amp-ing
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how about laptop -> E10 -> E6, does this mean double amping? or it's just use E10 as DAC, and amp using E6? hmm.gif

so basically you couldnt make any direct line out from laptop without using external DAC?
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QUOTE(GenericMav @ Nov 15 2011, 02:27 PM)
how about laptop -> E10 -> E6, does this mean double amping? or it's just use E10 as DAC, and amp using E6?  hmm.gif
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Laptop --> E10 headphone out --> E6 = double amp

Laptop --> E10 line out --> E6 = Not Double amp.

most laptop don't have line out.
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QUOTE(Enigmatic @ Nov 14 2011, 09:34 PM)
I've tested the D10 and I wasn't impressed by it at all, compared to the iBasso D6. Unfortunately, I couldn't give you a direct comparison of the D10 and the D12. Why not let your ears decide? brows.gif I'm quite sure you'll go for the D12 too laugh.gif
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D12 sound good for its review....
Is there any other option for standalone DAC that <RM1k?
regarding the input power for D10/D12, we can use USB as input power while the input is spdif?
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QUOTE(hongrui @ Nov 15 2011, 11:51 AM)
what is your current portable setup?
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Coming soon: SanDisk Sansa Clip+ -> Hippo Box+ -> Shroom EB

Poor guy no money buy iPod to do line out. cry.gif


Added on November 15, 2011, 5:54 pmPlus even I got line out, normally line out can't control volume from device right? Then I can't use Hippo Box+ already sad.gif

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QUOTE(more2teayap @ Nov 15 2011, 05:36 PM)
Currently Nokia 5800 -> Hippo Box+ -> Shroom EB
Coming soon: SanDisk Sansa Clip+ -> Hippo Box+ -> Shroom EB

Poor guy no money buy iPod to do line out. cry.gif


Added on November 15, 2011, 5:54 pmPlus even I got line out, normally line out can't control volume from device right? Then I can't use Hippo Box+ already sad.gif
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hmmm... in my very personal opinion, the hippo box+ (together with the IC between the DAP and hippo box+) is doing nothing more than coloration in your setup. the sansa clip+ has more than enough power to drive the shroom EB by itself.

ya lo, so this is one case where double amping works. because you like the end result. =)

but if you do find distortion, clipping and other artifacts, the only way out is to remove the hippo amp from your setup.
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QUOTE(hongrui @ Nov 15 2011, 08:37 PM)
hmmm... in my very personal opinion, the hippo box+ (together with the IC between the DAP and hippo box+) is doing nothing more than coloration in your setup. the sansa clip+ has more than enough power to drive the shroom EB by itself.
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Yes, I'm aware of that, I just liked the sound when my Shroom EB is paired up with Hippo Box+ biggrin.gif

QUOTE(hongrui @ Nov 15 2011, 08:58 PM)
ya lo, so this is one case where double amping works. because you like the end result. =)

but if you do find  distortion, clipping and other artifacts, the only way out is to remove the hippo amp from your setup.
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So far everything's just great rclxms.gif
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today i tried using my laptop > edifier HCS2330 amp > ATH P500
it sounds awful
is it bcos the speaker amp drives differently compared to audio cans amp?
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i have some question about my headphone.
currently i have a bose on-ear and creative aurvana air
the bose oe have a very strong bass. i want something to decrease the bass and improve the vocal sound and treble .

for the creative aurvana air i want to improve the bass. the sound currently very clear .

So whats item should i buy. i want to improve them. Sorry for my poor english sad.gif(
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what are the different between d5 and e10? both are DAC + amp rite?

what the different D and E series. can D use for headphone on the go ? tq

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QUOTE(mousepad87 @ Nov 21 2011, 12:04 AM)
what are the different between d5 and e10? both are DAC + amp rite?

what the different D and E series. can D use for headphone on the go ? tq
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D mostly for digital and no amp. E will have amp.
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QUOTE(nordingh @ Nov 21 2011, 12:30 AM)
D mostly for digital and no amp. E will have amp.
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if im not mistaken D3 and D5 have both DAC + Amp? im totally new in this... rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(mousepad87 @ Nov 21 2011, 07:24 AM)
if im not mistaken D3 and D5 have both DAC + Amp? im totally new in this...  rclxub.gif
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not that the speaker amp drives differently, the science is all the same. But because the amp for the headphone output is not as good as a dedicated headphone amp.

QUOTE(squall123456 @ Nov 20 2011, 01:00 PM)
i have some question about my headphone.
currently i have a bose on-ear and creative aurvana air
the bose oe have a very strong bass. i want something to decrease the bass and improve the vocal sound and treble .

for the creative aurvana air i want to improve the bass. the sound currently very clear .

So whats item should i buy. i want to improve them. Sorry for my poor english sad.gif(
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for the bose (or any other IEMs/headphones), bass cannot be decreased. it can only be tightened to make it more impactful.

creative aurvana air, you want to improve the bass? what aspects do you want to improve on? or are you looking at boosting the bass?
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QUOTE(hongrui @ Nov 21 2011, 09:30 AM)
for the bose (or any other IEMs/headphones), bass cannot be decreased. it can only be tightened to make it more impactful.

creative aurvana air, you want to improve the bass? what aspects do you want to improve on? or are you looking at boosting the bass?
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yes.bossting the bass.

maybe my bose still nid to burnin. currently on use for 20hours

is that amd mini^3 portable stereo headphone amp/?
how much for that?
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if you want to boost the bass, one amp i like is the DIY mini^3. depending on your budget, there are quite some possibilities.

its a DIY amp. http://www.amb.org/audio/mini3/

you have to look around for the completed amp. i'm not very familiar with the rates here in malaysia.
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i'd dunno wut to expect from maverick dy tongue.gif their d1 n a1 sounds so so for me, even only to impress me must change opamps + tubes, + clas, dat is d setup i cn like it, others, nah
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QUOTE(squall123456 @ Nov 21 2011, 02:02 PM)
yes.bossting the bass.

maybe my bose still nid to burnin. currently on use for 20hours
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FiiO E11 or on a budget, FiiO E6 nod.gif

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Hmm, got any recommended entry level/budget DAC amps besides FiiO E10 and T-Muso DAC? For desktop/laptop usage and budget somewhere below RM300 blush.gif
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How bout E6/E7/T-Muso vs X-FI Fatality FPS?
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QUOTE(mousepad87 @ Nov 21 2011, 07:24 AM)
if im not mistaken D3 and D5 have both DAC + Amp? im totally new in this...  rclxub.gif
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D series: Consumer series
E series: Audiophile series

D3: DAC only. (Input: Coaxial/Optical; Output: Analog via RCA)

D5: DAC and a relatively low-powered@quality amp; though in a way this is already an entry lvl sound card since it has a mic-in as well. Reportedly to be more or less the same as regular on-board. (Input: USB, mic; Output: 3.5mm headphone-out & line-out, coaxial)
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E10: DAC/AMP combo. (Input: USB; Output: 3.5mm headphone-out & line-out, coaxial)
The thing that *you should buy if SQ is your main concern. brows.gif
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QUOTE(emiya_shin @ Nov 22 2011, 11:38 AM)
Hmm, got any recommended entry level/budget DAC amps besides FiiO E10 and T-Muso DAC? For desktop/laptop usage and budget somewhere below RM300 blush.gif
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consider my govibe usb dac brows.gif


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How bout E6/E7/T-Muso vs X-FI Fatality FPS?
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I'll take E series or T-Muso anytime! flex.gif

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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Nov 22 2011, 10:06 PM)
consider my govibe usb dac brows.gif


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I'll take E series or T-Muso anytime!  flex.gif
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did i heard "my"? brows.gif


but yeah, E series or t-Muso anytime flex.gif

someone taking a liking on E10 eh, i see~ whistling.gif

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QUOTE(GenericMav @ Nov 22 2011, 10:46 PM)
someone taking a liking on E10 eh, i see~  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Nov 22 2011, 10:59 PM)
not even arrive yet my e10
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hello guys long time never popped up here tongue.gif

anyhows any of guys can comment on any standalone dac or portable amp/dac package. id have a figaro dy just wan a dac.

anywan tried corda 2MOVE?? or ibasso d4
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whats your budget?
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less rm 600-700 nw, considering cn get either a d4 $150usd or ones lesser than 200$
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frankly, since you have no amp right now, get TTD. a good 24/96 dac with a very nice tube amp. then next time when you get your amp back, you can use TTD as a DAC and pre-amp.

but otherwise, get a basic DAC from go-vibe / hippo / ordanance / fiio. they will be an improvement over your soundcard and later on then upgrade to a desktop DAC like stageDAC / DACmagic / NFB series from Audio Gd.
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Hey, I have an Audio Technica AD500. Can u guys pls reco me a good amp below RM200? Preferably can use USB as power supply, and its portable. I love listening to pop music (some bass) and vocals.

oops sry. my source is pc, laptop... or ipad (is this possible)?


Added on November 28, 2011, 1:51 pmwill e10 be too "underpowered" for AD500?
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QUOTE(joyformidable @ Nov 23 2011, 10:26 AM)
so should i get the fiio e10 or the asus xonar dg? dfi onboard sound is really2 bad.
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FiiO E10 nod.gif but you will have to get inline for December's shipment blush.gif

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QUOTE(Ataraxis @ Nov 28 2011, 01:14 PM)
Hey, I have an Audio Technica AD500. Can u guys pls reco me a good amp below RM200? Preferably can use USB as power supply, and its portable. I love listening to pop music (some bass) and vocals.
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What is your source hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Ataraxis @ Nov 28 2011, 01:50 PM)
oops sry. my source is pc, laptop... or ipad (is this possible)?


Added on November 28, 2011, 1:51 pmwill e10 be too "underpowered" for AD500?
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Not at all. If portability is a concern with your iPad, the FiiO E7 is the way to go. nod.gif

PC > USB > FiiO E7 > AD500
iPad > FiiO L3 or L9 LOD > FiiO E7 > AD500

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i think i'll stick with E10, since it's the latest product and i heard many good reviews abt it.

im jz afraid it will distort the soundstage capability of my AD500. any ideas, apart from significant boost to the Bass, is there any drawbacks plugging AD500 into E10?

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QUOTE(Ataraxis @ Nov 28 2011, 02:09 PM)
i think i'll stick with E10, since it's the latest product and i heard many good reviews abt it.

im jz afraid it will distort the soundstage capability of my AD500. any ideas, apart from significant boost to the Bass,  is there any drawbacks plugging AD500 into E10?
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You can actually try out a good range of FiiO product at Tong Lee Co., located on the ground floor of Low Yat Plaza. nod.gif Just lag your lappy along nod.gif

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Guys, which USB DAC is better? The GoVibe Mini USB DAC or T-Muso USB DAC? Want to use to replace my laptop soundcard.. drool.gif

^ nah. just want to know which is better if i want to buy it one day.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(BanG_DeaD @ Nov 28 2011, 10:02 PM)
Guys, which USB DAC is better? The GoVibe Mini USB DAC or T-Muso USB DAC? Want to use to replace my laptop soundcard..  drool.gif
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its hard for me to say "better", how much do you got in hands? brows.gif

tested the goVibe dac and own a t-muso (OScon caps)

i could say, i prefer the goVibe dac by a slight margin,
but not soo sure since i just test the goVibe for a few minutes, couldnt say that for sure laugh.gif
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QUOTE(BanG_DeaD @ Nov 28 2011, 10:02 PM)
Guys, which USB DAC is better? The GoVibe Mini USB DAC or T-Muso USB DAC? Want to use to replace my laptop soundcard..  drool.gif
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don't go GoVibe Mini, go for my Govibe USB DAC, I'm selling cheap cheap brows.gif
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cn try audio-gd dac19 , or wut was it the name, hmmm, else cn try hmmm
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QUOTE(BanG_DeaD @ Nov 28 2011, 10:02 PM)
Guys, which USB DAC is better? The GoVibe Mini USB DAC or T-Muso USB DAC? Want to use to replace my laptop soundcard..  drool.gif
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fioo is a handsome looking product =)
govibe just drop price and looks like a goodbuy if you are into standard stuff
tmuso is extreme value for money for poor man! since no casing, the price is justified by the premium parts =)

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Recommend me a few dac to research on. Currently looking at audio gd dac. Budget 2k. Not interested in dacmagic.

Who sells wyred 4 sound in malaysia.


Added on December 2, 2011, 3:19 pmFor pc hifi use. No headphone necessary.

QUOTE(aztoiozalan @ Dec 2 2011, 06:17 PM)
cn try audio-gd dac19 , or wut was it the name, hmmm, else cn try hmmm
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That is a discontinued model. Looking at NFB 2.1 and NFB 1. Balanced DAC better even i am using rca ka? I am able to increase budget if NFB 1 is superior, but since they all using same DAC chip, i wondering.

Also wonder if those 2 mentioned Dac is an improvement over xonar stx with discreet opa (earth sun moon), my fren using ST with discreet opa, and he says the performance with discreet opa is worth the price (opa cost nearly as much the ST)

Yea.. my amp is unbalanced. How the dac, in ur opinion, can win xonar with sun moon earth?

thanks anyways...


PCM1704UK vs WM8741, anyone knows the difference of these 2 or which suppose be better?
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i'm using a NFB-2, not sure if NFB-1 will be better if you are not using a unbalanced amp.

never heard the xonar before.

its the implementation of the chips that's more important, eg you don't want a proton engine in a ferrari chassis nor is a ferrari engine in a proton chassis gonna do you any much better.

but in Audio-GD's case, he only uses the PCM1704UK in their top of the line DACs ref 5 and ref 7.1 DACs so i think PCM1704UK might actually out perform the WM8741 slightly in the same design. however, the PCM1704UK was used in the D/C DAC-19 but now the NFB-2.1 with the WM8741 is sold as a slight upgrade to the DAC-19.
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hey guys, does it mean that i need an amp since i need to power the volume up to 60% using my laptop so that i can hear music clearly?? btw the headphone im using is senn HD428...

if so any good recommendation that is below RM300??
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QUOTE(weijun10 @ Dec 4 2011, 11:23 PM)
hey guys, does it mean that i need an amp since i need to power the volume up to 60% using my laptop so that i can hear music clearly?? btw the headphone im using is senn HD428...

if so any good recommendation that is below RM300??
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You still have 40% volume... use it.
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QUOTE(nordingh @ Dec 5 2011, 01:55 AM)
You still have 40% volume... use it.
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but i need more bass cuz when i listen using laptop i cant feel the bass i wanted like my brainwavz m2...
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QUOTE(weijun10 @ Dec 5 2011, 02:10 AM)
but i need more bass cuz when i listen using laptop i cant feel the bass i wanted like my brainwavz m2...
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If need bass, most amp will do.
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QUOTE(weijun10 @ Dec 4 2011, 11:23 PM)
hey guys, does it mean that i need an amp since i need to power the volume up to 60% using my laptop so that i can hear music clearly?? btw the headphone im using is senn HD428...

if so any good recommendation that is below RM300??
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For further improvement clarity and added bass, FiiO E10 nod.gif

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QUOTE(hongrui @ Dec 4 2011, 10:27 AM)
its the implementation of the chips that's more important, eg you don't want a proton engine in a ferrari chassis nor is a ferrari engine in a proton chassis gonna do you any much better.

but in Audio-GD's case, he only uses the PCM1704UK in their top of the line DACs ref 5 and ref 7.1 DACs so i think PCM1704UK might actually out perform the WM8741 slightly in the same design. however, the PCM1704UK was used in the D/C DAC-19 but now the NFB-2.1 with the WM8741 is sold as a slight upgrade to the DAC-19.
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thanks for the lesson. just another question would be, i am going to use only unbalanced connection and i have a friend who likes unbalaced over balanced to... if i get a balanced dac to use rca on it.. is it a waste? or it will still be better.
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External sound card for ad700 around rm200 pls recommend thnks. for gaming and movie usually.
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QUOTE(dasherzx @ Dec 5 2011, 12:29 PM)
External sound card for ad700 around rm200 pls recommend thnks. for gaming and movie usually.
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at your budget.. Go-vibe mini DAC or Ordnance DAC-1, perhaps
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dashrex : get my darkie even is just pure amp but u will forget bout the dac a lot tongue.gif and still good for gaming movies music tongue.gif but again sigh didnt see ur budget,

cn try the govibe usb dac smile.gif IMo cn get it less than rm 150 smile.gif
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QUOTE(dlyz @ Dec 3 2011, 07:51 PM)
thanks anyways...
PCM1704UK vs WM8741, anyone knows the difference of these 2 or which suppose be better?
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PCM1704 - current output DAC,w/o digital filter,R2R ladder architecture

WM874x - voltage output DAC,w digital filter,delta sigma architecture

Not fair to compare both.... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(GenericMav @ Dec 5 2011, 04:05 PM)
at your budget.. Go-vibe mini DAC or Ordnance DAC-1, perhaps
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Is the fiio e7 good? Can get dat oso smile.gif
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QUOTE(dasherzx @ Dec 5 2011, 07:22 PM)
Is the fiio e7 good? Can get dat oso smile.gif
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that one also can consider, and want more power later get e9
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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Dec 5 2011, 08:07 PM)
that one also can consider, and want more power later get e9
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ad700 wont need that much power tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Leolabs @ Dec 5 2011, 06:30 PM)
PCM1704 - current output DAC,w/o digital filter,R2R ladder architecture

WM874x - voltage output DAC,w digital filter,delta sigma architecture

Not fair to compare both.... tongue.gif
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i have no idea what tat is ha ha... im gravitation toward nfb 2.1
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If my laptop sound start distorted at 50% of volume when I put on my headphone, I should get a DAC or an amp?
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QUOTE(GenericMav @ Dec 5 2011, 08:18 PM)
ad700 wont need that much power  tongue.gif
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that just in case he gets a higher power de one ma

QUOTE(Ask_Yip @ Dec 6 2011, 07:20 PM)
If my laptop sound start distorted at 50% of volume when I put on my headphone, I should get a DAC or an amp?
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it's your onboard soundcard making the static noise, so you get a dac+amp
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im using Fanny wang 1001 headphone..which headphone amplifier good for that model? budget -+RM300


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