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em0kia
post Jun 29 2012, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(hongrui @ Jun 28 2012, 08:13 PM)
Correct for the Amp, but not for the DAC.

DAC stands for digital to analogue converter. so it pretty much does what it's named for. converting digital signals to analogue signals. a dac is required for converting data (files, cd signals) into analogue (audible audio) signals.

a digital file in your hdd needs to be processed via a DAC before the signal can be amplified by an amplifier.
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Then bro, may i know is it possible to bypass the internal DAC and use an external DAC? Would it be bad as well to double DAC like double amping?

Hi mates, after reading so many reviews, i have decided to choose either cMoyBB or FiiO E11.. Hmm, just want to know did anyone here actually try these two?
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post Jun 29 2012, 06:07 AM

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its more accurate if you say all sound cards have a DAC but not all DACs can function as a soundcard.

bypass internal DAC of what and use external DAC of what?

it is not possible to stack 2 DACs up, because once the signal has been processed past the first DAC, the output signal is already analogue and cannot be handled and reprocessed by the second DAC.

DACs: usb / coaxial / optical digital input -> DAC -> RCA / 3.5mm / 6.5mm / XLR analogue outputs.
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post Jun 29 2012, 10:12 AM

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Maybe the internal dac as in soundcard
just need to configure the external Dac as default then

Hrt is a dac
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post Jun 29 2012, 11:00 AM

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Music player software and OS Layer(can be bypassed) gives digital signal.

Digital signal goes to DAC (Digital Analogue Converter) and converts it to Analogue signal.

Finally you amplify the analogue signal with an... Amplifier.

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Internal DAC can be bypassed. USB DAC will bypass computer DAC.

Some AMP/DAC combos can be used purely as an amplifier only.

The T-Muso DAC has a built in amp, so if you use an amp with it....
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post Jun 29 2012, 04:33 PM

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Have a question here...

In normal circumstances,

Source->DAC->Pre amp->Power Amp->speaker

or

Source->DAC->Integrated Amp->speaker

Can it be like

Source->DAC->Power Amp-> speaker?

It's w/o pre amp
What's the function as a pre amp?

Thanks


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post Jun 29 2012, 10:34 PM

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integrated amp actually consist of both the pre-amp and power amp components, hence the name integrated.

to put it simply, the function of a pre-amp is for volume control. power amp you can think of it as a fixed gain, the pre-amp sends out a variable strength signal based on your volume control and the power amp just amplifies it by a fixed certain amount.

Source->DAC->Power Amp-> speaker = no volume control.

If the dac has volume control, then it has the pre amp function. So you're still going the dac-pre amp-power amp route.

Volume control on the source shouldn't work because usually dacs have a fixed line output. If your dac has a variable output I suppose it could be done, controlling the volume from your source.
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QUOTE(hongrui @ Jun 29 2012, 10:34 PM)
integrated amp actually consist of both the pre-amp and power amp components, hence the name integrated.

to put it simply, the function of a pre-amp is for volume control. power amp you can think of it as a fixed gain, the pre-amp sends out a variable strength signal based on your volume control and the power amp just amplifies it by a fixed certain amount.

Source->DAC->Power Amp-> speaker = no volume control.
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thanks for the explaination.

What if the dac has a volumn control?

or control the volumn through source? eg: laptop/computer

QUOTE(hongrui @ Jun 29 2012, 11:18 PM)
If the dac has volume control, then it has the pre amp function. So you're still going the dac-pre amp-power amp route.

Volume control on the source shouldn't work because usually dacs have a fixed line output. If your dac has a variable output I suppose it could be done, controlling the volume from your source.
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i wanna build a audio gd reference series->balance amp...found a pretty good deal at balance power amp....wonder can skip.the preamp with that....the audio gd ref series need balance need fullfill it potential
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post Jun 30 2012, 10:56 PM

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Headphone like Dr. Dre and Fanny Wang have their own amp inside them right? Wish my Samsung S2 can use external amp so it can pump up the details without the need to cranking up the volume. If I cut the car dock and use it to bypass the amp so just the DAC directly to say like Fiio can do it or not?
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QUOTE(TarePanda @ Jun 30 2012, 10:37 PM)
i wanna build a audio gd reference series->balance amp...found a pretty good deal at balance power amp....wonder can skip.the preamp with that
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what power amp would that be? you can get and try, if it doesn't work out, you can always get a pre-amp later.


Added on July 1, 2012, 8:05 am
QUOTE(sulfuriq @ Jun 30 2012, 10:56 PM)
Headphone like Dr. Dre and Fanny Wang have their own amp inside them right?
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no they do not have an amp inside. unless you are referring to the noise canceling models.

This post has been edited by hongrui: Jul 1 2012, 08:05 AM
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QUOTE(hongrui @ Jul 1 2012, 08:03 AM)
what power amp would that be? you can get and try, if it doesn't work out, you can always get a pre-amp later.


Added on July 1, 2012, 8:05 am

no they do not have an amp inside. unless you are referring to the noise canceling models.
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I meant Dr.Dre Studio and Fanny Wang 2000 series.
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QUOTE(em0kia @ Jul 1 2012, 11:40 PM)
Hi mates, after reading so many reviews, i have decided to choose either cMoyBB or FiiO E11.. Hmm, just want to know did anyone here actually try these two?
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i had both, e11 has a bit more bass and dark sound to it, cMoy is bright and fast paced, cmoy more fun cause can change opamp, like changing processor, so some opamps are slow beats, some make me heart attackingly fast pace. each opamp is unique from other brands

e11 is nothing much to mingle around with, use at it is, unless u want to desolder it and solder on another opamp

This post has been edited by noobandroid: Jul 1 2012, 11:46 PM
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post Jul 2 2012, 02:52 AM

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QUOTE(vivakarna @ Jul 2 2012, 02:13 AM)
Just want to share some information,

Recently i just bought HRT music streamer ii and while i listen to it, there are some clicking and popping sound come out through the speaker with certain song. At first I thought the music file was not so good and I live with the defect sound almost 2 weeks. So today when i play music on itunes, Dayum! There is no clicking sound and whatnot. After some extensive research I found that you must unclicked the max I/O buffer size on Audirvana software for mac and change to smaller buffer size on foobar2k from 50ms to 80ms of the buffer figures on pc. Now, the problem is solved, case closed tongue.gif
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thanks for sharing bro~ btw~ what actually hrt products are?
i cant understand what is it and what does it do based on the sentence on the home page~
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What is a Music Streamer?
A Music Streamer is a sleek little box that plugs into a USB port on a computer*. Once plugged in, the Music Streamer replaces the computer's job of processing digital audio files** resulting in a dramatic improvement in sound quality. Get a Music Streamer and turn your computer* into a great sounding music server.

please do guide me bro~ thank you~ sorry for the noob question~


Added on July 2, 2012, 3:05 amRx MK3 - B vs RSA Protector balanced portable~
dunno whether is it correct to compare them anot~
but if we are comparing them~ which are them is better?
is it alo Rx MK3 - B?

QUOTE(musica22 @ Jul 2 2012, 03:43 AM)
Hrt is a dac
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I see~ cause i saw they say music streamer process digital audio files~ so it does convert digital to analogue?

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post Jul 2 2012, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(Alex05187 @ Jul 2 2012, 04:13 AM)
I see~ cause i saw they say music streamer process digital audio files~ so it does convert digital to analogue?
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yup! Correct!

Just want to share some information on how to get the best outcome for the HRT music streamer ii with Mac. Might be applied to other DACs as well cool.gif

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post Jul 3 2012, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Jul 1 2012, 11:46 PM)
i had both, e11 has a bit more bass and dark sound to it, cMoy is bright and fast paced, cmoy more fun cause can change opamp, like changing processor, so some opamps are slow beats, some make me heart attackingly fast pace. each opamp is unique from other brands

e11 is nothing much to mingle around with, use at it is, unless u want to desolder it and solder on another opamp
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where can one get the opamps? amazon?

okay thanks. and what technical skills do I need to be able to change it? or is it plug and play?
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QUOTE(hebe0330 @ Jul 3 2012, 01:53 PM)
where can one get the opamps? amazon?
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rsonline, element14, ebay, amazon

QUOTE(hebe0330 @ Jul 3 2012, 03:02 PM)
okay thanks. and what technical skills do I need to be able to change it? or is it plug and play?
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plug and play, just get a eyebrow pick from cosmetic department, clip it , pull it out, insert new ones CORRECTLY (very critical), and you're good to go
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QUOTE(noobandroid @ Jul 3 2012, 05:52 PM)
plug and play, just get a eyebrow pick from cosmetic department, clip it , pull it out, insert new ones CORRECTLY (very critical), and you're good to go
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Cool. Thanks again for the heads up. Will be looking forward to my amp now smile.gif
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post Jul 5 2012, 09:12 PM

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hello guys. Kindly need advice on DAC with these specs smile.gif

Source : laptop, phone(curve 9320)
Equipment : getting ATH Pro5Mk2 DJ soon biggrin.gif
Requirement : portable, heavy bass, clear/clarity? (no idea about mid, low, high, treble and stuffs. my first amp and DAC :/)
Budget : rm320 for both DAC and amplifier if possible
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QUOTE(teddbundy @ Jul 5 2012, 09:12 PM)
hello guys. Kindly need advice on DAC with these specs smile.gif

Source : laptop, phone(curve 9320)
Equipment : getting ATH Pro5Mk2 DJ soon biggrin.gif
Requirement : portable, heavy bass, clear/clarity? (no idea about mid, low, high, treble and stuffs. my first amp and DAC :/)
Budget : rm320 for both DAC and amplifier if possible
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fiio e10, 24bit dac+amp, good starting item for use @ laptop
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its portable too? compared to e7 which one is better? biggrin.gif


EDIT: Forgot to include that I might use DAP too(x19hd/sansa clip or zune)

I've read that DAP doesnt work with E10. or is that a wrong info?

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Hey guys, need your suggestions. The HD 598 will be my first set of audiophile cans.

Source : laptop, phone

Cans : thinking of getting Sennheiser HD 598

Requirement : first amp + DAC set up so, I guess anything that will make the cans sound great

Budget : 500 for both amp + DAC if possible. A bit over 500 still okay

Type : portable or desktop. preferably portable

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