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 University of Nottingham Malaysia Campus (UNMC) V4, "A city is built on wisdom"

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post Apr 27 2012, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 25 2012, 11:06 PM)
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If you're a genuine surveyor then I must say you have been doing a very bad job. Because not only you did not get the information by phrasing your words in the right way, you intimated your only source of information where you're able to get normative opinions from, the LYN. Let me quote again what you've posted:

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The second paragraph was completely unprofessional. You acted in a way which you shouldn't be, given the fact that you're representing for a company - as so you said. You're clearly haven't had any ideas how to "survey", have you? Really, you do not, DO NOT, influence the input you have before letting the person to answer your questionnaires. For instance, you do not tell a person, "I think people who study for an undergrad is wasting their time" by asking the undergrads if they enjoyed their time in University. With the former remark, tell me how is it going to influence latter question? I'll let you see into it.

To sum up, if you are really doing a "market research" for your company - and I do not believe you - I would recommend your company to find another able man to do the surveys. Because clearly you are doing an awful job with the task given.

Next, to your questions on "expensive" and "ridiculously high requirement". If you have done your homework, you'd know that, typically, business courses in graduate level is extremely expensive and competitive, especially MSc Finance. If you have done your homework, you would know that 2:1 is pretty standard in most capable research universities and Nottingham, being a listed Russell Group (google it big boy), is only of the many. Thhus, quality graduate students are of paramount in securing research grants. Public universities in Malaysia, as being public as they were, charge significantly lower because (1) they're heavily funded by taxpayers money and (2) their research quality, as a whole, and in my opinion as an economics student, is below sub-par.

To your question of "diehard fans". I don't see, as a company surveyor, you did not expect this. This university is probably, for most of us, our Alma mater. Despite we complain how shitty the teachings are, how inferior the facilities on campus are, and how inefficient the administrators on campus are, we hold, at least to some extent, a sense of pride. Because really, most of us spend three years and more on this campus, it should not come as a surprise that most of us have attached some sense of patriotism. You may hate Malaysian government, but you would obviously cheer for Malaysia during the Olympic. It is not our problem that you cannot get the "true" view from us, and being a hired surveyor as you were, you should have anticipated this and adjust your finding accordingly. This view certainly does not get any "truer" when you blatantly slashed some of us in a distasteful manner.

Thus, take my recommendation, learn some form of research methodology before you decided to jeopardize the findings you have and before you waste your company resources. But personally, I do not believe you. You sound like some sort of bitter sub-par students who could not get funding from the public sectors for your postgraduate study, and did not have enough qualification to join Nottingham. That's my view anyway. Cheers

Matthew

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post Apr 28 2012, 01:02 AM

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Added on April 28, 2012, 1:03 ambump. nid ans for my ielts question. T.T

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post Apr 28 2012, 01:10 AM

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QUOTE(manthew @ Apr 27 2012, 11:17 PM)
If you're a genuine surveyor then I must say you have been doing a very bad job. Because not only you did not get the information by phrasing your words in the right way, you intimated your only source of information where you're able to get normative opinions from, the LYN. Let me quote again what you've posted:

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


The second paragraph was completely unprofessional. You acted in a way which you shouldn't be, given the fact that you're representing for a company - as so you said. You're clearly haven't had any ideas how to "survey", have you? Really, you do not, DO NOT, influence the input you have before letting the person to answer your questionnaires. For instance, you do not tell a person, "I think people who study for an undergrad is wasting their time" by asking the undergrads if they enjoyed their time in University. With the former remark, tell me how is it going to influence latter question? I'll let you see into it.

To sum up, if you are really doing a "market research" for your company - and I do not believe you - I would recommend your company to find another able man to do the surveys. Because clearly you are doing an awful job with the task given.

Next, to your questions on "expensive" and "ridiculously high requirement". If you have done your homework, you'd know that, typically, business courses in graduate level is extremely expensive and competitive, especially MSc Finance. If you have done your homework, you would know that 2:1 is pretty standard in most capable research universities and Nottingham, being a listed Russell Group (google it big boy), is only of the many. Thhus, quality graduate students are of paramount in securing research grants. Public universities in Malaysia, as being public as they were, charge significantly lower because (1) they're heavily funded by taxpayers money and (2) their research quality, as a whole, and in my opinion as an economics student, is below sub-par.

To your question of "diehard fans". I don't see, as a company surveyor, you did not expect this. This university is probably, for most of us, our Alma mater. Despite we complain how shitty the teachings are, how inferior the facilities on campus are, and how inefficient the administrators on campus are, we hold, at least to some extent, a sense of pride. Because really, most of us spend three years and more on this campus, it should not come as a surprise that most of us have attached some sense of patriotism. You may hate Malaysian government, but you would obviously cheer for Malaysia during the Olympic. It is not our problem that you cannot get the "true" view from us, and being a hired surveyor as you were, you should have anticipated this and adjust your finding accordingly. This view certainly does not get any "truer" when you blatantly slashed some of us in a distasteful manner.

Thus, take my recommendation, learn some form of research methodology before you decided to jeopardize the findings you have and before you waste your company resources. But personally, I do not believe you. You sound like some sort of bitter sub-par students who could not get funding from the public sectors for your postgraduate study, and did not have enough qualification to join Nottingham. That's my view anyway. Cheers

Matthew
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u ok bro? dont need to write a long essay for me just to lecture me because of your unorthodox behavior. I dont need this kind of crap from you.

FYI i stop reading after the 1st paragraph. And please do not reply to me again, i dont want to see notification to this thread just because of some fool that is unsatisfied with how i convey my messages.

I dont mean to offend you but, i dont need YOU on the internet to tell me what to do.

I got my answer already and i wish not to disturb the peace in this thread. thank you.

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post Apr 28 2012, 02:22 AM

Really? That's the best reply you can come up with?
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Nice to see this thread being lively again, with the new intake. Expect to see activity increase around July until October (for September intake).

@TJJ thanks for your comments about the modules yesterday at Block B. Definitely helped a lot. Nice to see you helping out so much in this thread despite having an FYP to complete.
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post Apr 28 2012, 02:40 AM

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 28 2012, 01:10 AM)
u ok bro? dont need to write a long essay for me just to lecture me because of your unorthodox behavior. I dont need this kind of crap from you.

FYI i stop reading after the 1st paragraph. And please do not reply to me again, i dont want to see notification to this thread just because of some fool that is unsatisfied with how i convey my messages.

I dont mean to offend you but, i dont need YOU on the internet to tell me what to do.

I got my answer already and i wish not to disturb the peace in this thread. thank you.
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That was hardly unorthodox, if anything, it's perfectly normative. Truth be told, I did not expect people who complaint about 2:1 requirement to read or even understand this 'essay' (really, you'd call this an essay :s). I'm merely trying to voice my opinion...on the fact you're hired to do an awful job is beyond me blink.gif thumbup.gif ... and it's the internet, you get to choose not to take a crap from me.. and I get to response to posts any way I want ... icon_idea.gif

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post Apr 28 2012, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(manthew @ Apr 28 2012, 02:40 AM)
That was hardly unorthodox, if anything, it's perfectly normative. Truth be told, I did not expect people who complaint about 2:1 requirement to read or even understand this 'essay' (really, you'd call this an essay :s). I'm merely trying to voice my opinion...on the fact you're hired to do an awful job is beyond meĀ  blink.gif thumbup.gif ... and it's the internet, you get to choose not to take a crap from me.. and I get to response to posts any way I want ... icon_idea.gif
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Well at least i got a proper job, dont know about you though.... maybe still an undergraduate... whistling.gif

I work for Ubisoft Singapore, stationed in Malaysia graphic and designing studio and currently working with Nielsen on research. I earn SGD2.8k ... able to pay for my own brand new honda city and my own apartment here in Malaysia at the age of 26.

My main job is not to do research but designing, just so happens that this project is related to research. I love my job and i dont need "you" to tell me that my job sucks.

I felt that i got paid well and am doing much better than fresh graduates here in Malaysia..

So if by saying "i'm hired to do an awful job", i do like to know what's your future job is like or what you currently work as if you are graduated whistling.gif


I did not "complain", if complain can be done by adding just 1 word "ridiculous" to a point...maybe you need to take up comprehension lessons... im just saying. whistling.gif

Let me give you an example of what complain meant... "read your 1st reply to me" ... yea that is what you call "complain" .... or should i say "B*TCH, MOAN and COMPLAIN"

It's not an opinion, it's a mockery and criticism. Either you dint know what you have written or you dont know the meaning of the word "opinion".


And if "merely" means 6 Paragraph long, i hate to see your real intention.


I did not take crap from you, that's why i did not argue or even read on your points that you have written after the 1st paragraph. whistling.gif

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post Apr 28 2012, 03:04 PM

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just get out of here. -.-


Added on April 28, 2012, 3:07 pmjust get out of here. -.-

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post Apr 28 2012, 03:26 PM

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just get out of here. -.-


Added on April 28, 2012, 3:07 pmjust get out of here. -.-
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not sure if u realy want to start a fight or what.. dun need to quote my name... i wont visit this thread if no one reply to me.
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post Apr 28 2012, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(jacktay94 @ Apr 28 2012, 03:04 PM)
just get out of here. -.-


Added on April 28, 2012, 3:07 pmjust get out of here. -.-
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 28 2012, 03:26 PM)
not sure if u realy want to start a fight or what.. dun need to quote my name... i wont visit this thread if no one reply to me.
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Cool down everybody. This thread is to help out others, not bashing each other (trolling is allowed, though *problem?*).

holypredator, please keep your questions coming (if you still have). You should know that people here, while may have different opinions, are ready to help. The spirit of helping is what made this thread till this stage today.
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post Apr 29 2012, 01:45 AM

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QUOTE(manthew @ Apr 27 2012, 11:17 PM)
If you're a genuine surveyor then I must say you have been doing a very bad job. Because not only you did not get the information by phrasing your words in the right way, you intimated your only source of information where you're able to get normative opinions from, the LYN. Let me quote again what you've posted:

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 28 2012, 01:10 AM)
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FYI i stop reading after the 1st paragraph. And please do not reply to me again, i dont want to see notification to this thread just because of some fool that is unsatisfied with how i convey my messages.

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You don't have to past the 1st paragraph for the entire post summary.

Your view is "every reply seems like an image advertisement"
His view is you are whining on pretty insignificant stuffs. (Btw, prestigious universities in UK like Warwick and Oxford requires reference letter. In fact, when you pass through UCAS, they require reference letter)

TL;DR - You are quite bad at conveying message for your survey.

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QUOTE(holypredator @ Apr 28 2012, 03:26 PM)
i wont visit this thread if no one reply to me.
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post Apr 29 2012, 03:04 AM

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MODS, can come and clean posts?
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post Apr 29 2012, 02:15 PM

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To be fair to the rest, I'll keep this in Spoiler so you may skip this crappy business of ours. Click at your own discretion.

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Sorry for the long post. whistling.gif I promise this is the last one and I will take this argument (if there's any) into our private mails in the future. Thank you.

EDIT: Sigh, thinking back... I might have been feeding the troll... shit why am I so dumb...

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post Apr 29 2012, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(manthew @ Apr 29 2012, 02:15 PM)
To be fair to the rest, I'll keep this in Spoiler so you may skip this crappy business of ours. Click at your own discretion.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Sorry for the long post.Ā  whistling.gifĀ  I promise this is the last one and I will take this argument (if there's any) into our private mails in the future. Thank you.

EDIT: Sigh, thinking back... I might have been feeding the troll... shit why am I so dumb...
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QUOTE(manthew @ Apr 29 2012, 02:15 PM)
To be fair to the rest, I'll keep this in Spoiler so you may skip this crappy business of ours. Click at your own discretion.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Sorry for the long post.Ā  whistling.gifĀ  I promise this is the last one and I will take this argument (if there's any) into our private mails in the future. Thank you.

EDIT: Sigh, thinking back... I might have been feeding the troll... shit why am I so dumb...
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You cant just let it go can you? You had to reply to me... alright then if i'll play along with your game.



Sigh, didn't even want to reply you, but then again, it's Sunday anyway.. I have time to spare
Then dont, as i already mentioned i don't want to come back to this thread just because of some fool telling me how to do my job.

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LOL really, this is what you've come to? Retort someone's constructed argument with, "at least I have a job?" *Slow claps* I don't even want to get to this but don't you think it's extremely inappropriate to compare with someone six years before you?
Oh, a 19 year old telling me how to do my job. I suggest you keep your mouth shut, get your degree and get some working experiance before giving someone advice on how to do their job. You have no credibility yet trying to argue like you had one. Pitty

I know you're bitter, especially after someone pointed out your faults. But, really, having to argue with that premise is awfully childish.
Uhm, the only one who "acted" like he/she pointed my faults is a guy who had no rights to do so to begin with. I had my answers and i left the thread for almost 3 days till you came in and "B*tch, Moan and Complain" for what i dont even know. Who's the childish one now?

If you really want to know, which I don't think you do, I see the University more in its traditional light, a place of knowledge, not a sorting-hat that decides your fate in the future. To top with that, I have had avoided every possible way to intern with corporate, and found myself constantly in a think tank.

traditional light? You've just made shit up i can tell. Please refrain from making your own words and expect people to understand. What you've said generaly made no sense, sorting-hat that decides your future? Maybe you are the only fool that choose your courses blindly, im not here to judge you but i think "most people" decides their courses based on what they think it's best for their future and career. You dont see engineer graduates become lawyers do you?

And with that fond of knowledge, you really think I'd be interested in what you're earning, your loaned car, and your mortgaged house?
You bashed and made a mockery about my "aweful" job, so im just enlightening you on my "aweful" job. I don't get what are you trying to covey here.


Secondly - I have to point this out - I was, in fact, questioning your ability to survey and none others, but now I'm questioning your ability to read, think and write critically as well. Nevertheless, for the fact you aren't required to utilize the latter skills in your designing job, you're dully excused.
First of, it's a forum NOT a formal meeting. Do you expect a formal letter on a small discussion? My ability to survey, uhm can i ask what rights do you have to say such thing? Are you AC Nielsen or my company manager? And what about my ability to read, think and write? Please do point out my flaws instead of just bashing like a immature kid that likes to insult without reasoning just for the sake of it. And wow, i am "dully excused".... excused by you.... and may i ask who are you and what rights do you have to act like you are my "boss"?


But I do hope your creativity, something which I don't have, brings you further from here.
my creativity brings me further from here? What the HELL are you trying to say? Im not judging you without reason but im retorting based on what i quoted here and above, are you having problem conveying in english? Cause what you've said made no sense, and as i quoted above you made words up that does not make any sense.

Lastly, to your question of "what I want to be in the future" (and I have no graduated, you'd have find this information had you read an 'essay' which doesn't even take you more than 3min), most of my peers are either into investment banking or to contribute into the country's economy's engine. I, with the passion of knowledge, probably going to be in the university, teaching my students how to at least read and think critically on top of what they're supposed to.
And your final sentence indicate you want to be a lecturer, business division lecturer i assumed. Good for you, you now understood what course you are taking and know what you want to be in your future career. So you basicly just contradicted yourself from the first paragraph till your conclusion. notworthy.gif

Clearly shows that you are not thinking critically when you are replying to me, hope you improved yourself by the time you got your Masters and know how to respond to a matter rationaly instead of showing your narcissistic attitude that you could do other's people job when you aren't even qualified.

I dint bother to read the 2nd part of your reply because theres no point in this argument since there nothing to prove in the first place except proving that you got nothing better to do than to start a senseless argument.


Edit:- yes you are that DUMB, because there was no message directed to you and everything was settled but you HAD to come in and made a whole lot of senseless noice. Whose the troll now?

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This is to notify that I will be reporting to mods to get this argument cleaned up from this thread. It's wise for you all to bring it to private - if you think the contents would be wise at all, if you think any further arguments are actually wise at all.
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This is to notify that I will be reporting to mods to get this argument cleaned up from this thread. It's wise for you all to bring it to private - if you think the contents would be wise at all, if you think any further arguments are actually wise at all.
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If someone has a conditional offer for September but can't submit the required TOEFL iBT score report when he wants to register on September, What happens?
Can he/she pass pre-session English course during first semester from September or he/she should pass the pre-session course before registering to first undergraduate semester? If yes, can he/she register in February as a first semester student after passing the pre-session course in before February?
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QUOTE(Persian @ Apr 30 2012, 06:51 PM)
If someone has a conditional offer for September but can't submit the required TOEFL iBT score report when he wants to register on September, What happens?
Can he/she pass pre-session English course during first semester from September or he/she should pass the pre-session course before registering to first undergraduate semester? If yes, can he/she register in February as a first semester student after passing the pre-session course in before February?
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I am not sure about this. I think the best person to ask is the admission office.
However, I do know that registration on February is subjected to the course you want to join. If there is no intake for that course during February, you won't be able to join.
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Dear Tanjinjack,
Thanks for your reply. There is intake in Sep. and Feb. in Electrical Engineering.
Anyway i didn't get my answer. What happens to conditional offers if they can't submit the English proficiency document with enough score when they want to register?
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QUOTE(Persian @ Apr 30 2012, 10:16 PM)
Dear Tanjinjack,
Thanks for your reply. There is intake in Sep. and Feb. in Electrical Engineering.
Anyway i didn't get my answer. What happens to conditional offers if they can't submit the English proficiency document with enough score when they want to register?
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dude, dun wait until registeration day. go to the office and sumit ur results, then they will say this can or cannot. if ur not qualified then they wont issue an unconditional offer letter. if u wait till registeration day... i will truely wait like mad on that day. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Persian @ Apr 30 2012, 10:16 PM)
Dear Tanjinjack,
Thanks for your reply. There is intake in Sep. and Feb. in Electrical Engineering.
Anyway i didn't get my answer. What happens to conditional offers if they can't submit the English proficiency document with enough score when they want to register?
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Like I say, email admission office about that. I do not know about that.

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