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Health Beware of Unethical Breeders, Please Read

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muchan86
post Jun 26 2011, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(KiyoshiJoz @ Jun 26 2011, 08:25 AM)
Hence thats why Champions/champ lineage =/= good health

i think the champ of the prestigious Crufts Dog Show had a genetic disease too..

and the King Charles Cavalier breed is not healthy at all.. it is a guarantee that one or 2 of the disease specific to the KCC will show up in the poor breed's lifetime

its gotten to the point where people buy dogs and puppies with the realisation that in a few years time they will have to go through the sadness of loosing it...
only a handful gets to very old age..
and dogs were meant to live to 12-13 years no matter how small the size back then...
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There's one thing I dont understand... people seems to be misunderstood bout champion lineage and they tend to go for that 'line' instead of pet quality. I mean if I were a show handler of course I would go for the so-called champion lineage but will get my puppy from the reputable show breeder because I know I will get the puppy I want since they're showing their dogs. But nowadays many 'breeder' are now use the 'champion lineage' as the traits to sell their puppies i.e. grandfather imported from German, taiwan, etc or grandfather is the malaysian champion etc etc.

I realize some people feels like getting those champion lineage puppies will somehow make them so proud with the fact 'champion lineage' but for me, I feels there's nothing different from these 2 pups except 1 from show quality and 1 for pet quality.


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post Jun 26 2011, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(CyaNide27 @ Jun 26 2011, 09:11 PM)
champion lineage also dont neccesarily mean the pups turn out to be of show quality coz there is no guaranty on that, it depends on which gene they got and also the development during puppy stage....
however, the term champion lineage sounds so appealing to gullible people that these unethical business people cash in on their ignorance....
hence i mentioned that champion lineage is not the same as having champion parents, NEITHER is it same as show quality which would cost in the range above 5 digits....
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Ya, even when both parents are champion, there's no guarantee that all puppies is show quality. From 1 litter it could be at least 1 or 2 that could be categorized as pet and show quality. It would be good if seller put their puppies as show quality or pet quality for sale provided their reputable and also show breeder. Somehow I prefer show breeder than some reputable breeder cause we cant be sure that 'some' reputable breeder is really what we thought of wink.gif



QUOTE(KiyoshiJoz @ Jun 26 2011, 09:17 PM)
just notice the thread is pinned.. thanks to the mods (=
I appreciate it a lot...
hopefully this will help educate people

We should have a system where there  is a tag for good sellers and breeders...

if they are good.. propagate them here...
if not.. put them in the hall of shame...

some do not come out to LYN so everything really is based on rumours..
but Irene Kang is 1 bad rotten apple already from many people's experience
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I've actually know bout Irene Kang from Benjac that refers to Scubby but I never thought that she really have so many puppies that carries many illness. This is why I said some reputable breeder doesn't mean their puppy is perfect. If I were to have more money I will go for show breeder instead and get their pet quality if not going for show cause their pet quality might be more costly but at least I'm sure that the puppy wont really have much problem rather than buying cheap puppy but need to bare the medical cost.


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post Jun 27 2011, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(CyaNide27 @ Jun 27 2011, 07:31 PM)
this method not really secure also.... she might give those that have no problems but dont disclose those that have complains....
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I think she refer to asking her previous client? I mean personally ask those who bought from her before rather than going through her to reach her client?
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post Jun 27 2011, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(KiyoshiJoz @ Jun 27 2011, 10:43 PM)
As other forumers suggested.. go visit her shop first and foremost
(I heard her shop is located somewhere in PJ/Subang area)
Check to see if the dogs there are well treated..
Ask around the forums for people who might have bought from her
(do this by replying on the pet clubs below which refers to the particular breed you are interested in)
Ask for a few things
MKA cert-> check for inbreeding
If there are inbreeding-> check whether or not the pup's dam and sire has any genetic illness etc.
(Unlike U.S.A, Malaysia cannot check for history of illnesses in a dam and a sire so you gotta dig it out from her)
Not all inbreded pups are bad... but its not encouraged... and preferably better not..
but nowadays its hard to find those kinda puppies who are not resulted from inbreeding before..

use your judgement and common sense as well as if you feel something is wrong.. or do not feel quite right
go back and do a little more research..

remember to ask questions about the pup from her...
(usually a responsible breeder will not hide anything from you)
Ask about the temperament of the dam and sire etc etc...

Good luck in getting your pup (=
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She doesn't have shop. Basically she have those puppies at her house and some of them are with MKA cert but she did have puppies that no cert as well.

@nicole : I went to her place twice I think and if not mistaken she told me the parents of the puppies are not with her but if I really keen to see the parents she will try to get their picture for me to see smile.gif

 

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