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 The SONY NEX Discussion Thread V2, Sony NEX 5N & NEX7 Unveil

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post Jun 25 2011, 05:00 PM

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Looks like Sony revised their lens roadmap.

Among the interesting lens is a 40mm f2 OSS coming this year.

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr4-new-son...-with-surprise/
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post Jul 13 2011, 02:17 PM

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Sonyalpharumor say NEX-5E and NEX7 and that Zeiss 24mm launching late August and available October.
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post Jul 28 2011, 01:51 PM

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nobody use the pingpong ball diffuser ker?
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post Aug 2 2011, 10:12 PM

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Keiko Kitagawa has powderful compo skillz.. must watch if you're a *****cat fan





though 1st generation advert got more oomph
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post Aug 2 2011, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Aug 2 2011, 10:24 PM)
Oh mai that girl is lovely. wub.gif

Finally Sony is doing something right.
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Oh come on... you haven't watched the original?

Bask in the awesomeness of the original NEX-3 advert



And the uber super duper product placement in the song's MV

I think reposted 10x di


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post Aug 2 2011, 10:35 PM

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NEX-7 look nice but the Sony logo spoils it. tongue.gif
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post Aug 3 2011, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(mastering89 @ Aug 2 2011, 11:37 PM)
i love the 2nd one, eventho tak paham the lyric, the MV storyline is really ohsem.. biggrin.gif
*not like most MV which dunno what crap, no relations to the song at all  sweat.gif
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u know what they say... woman, bokeh-liciousness and camera gooding makes a grown man cry
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post Aug 3 2011, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Aug 3 2011, 10:22 AM)
come on, dont tell me my Nex-C3 dont look better than the new Nex-5N or Nex-7  rolleyes.gif

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Sexier if move your front bit onto a nex-7 body and then gaffer tape the sony logo
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post Aug 3 2011, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(nles @ Aug 3 2011, 01:11 PM)
Damn, I gotta go borrow a camera for my September trip...... If I buy NEX-5 or C3 now later sure cry.gif
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No diffrerence.. These bodies gets updated more quickly then i change underwear.
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post Aug 3 2011, 05:27 PM

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Walau... camera also got class system now?


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post Aug 5 2011, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(Valentino46 @ Aug 5 2011, 12:33 PM)
some leaked spec of nex-7

NEX-7
24,3 Exmor HD sensor
100-16.000 ISO
1200 zone metering
1920×1080 60p/60i/24p AVCHD 2.0 (28Mbit/s) video recording
3 million dot XGA OLED viewfinder
3inch 921k TruBlack LCD display (touchscreen)
10 fps
20ms startup time
Built-in flash
New universal hot shoe
Battery life for over 400 shots
Magnesium alloy body

i almost have an orgasm when looking at the spec
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and use what lens? Just the Zeiss? Or play pusing pusing focus ring?




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post Aug 5 2011, 03:34 PM

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I'm sure the NEX7 could make an interesting toy when coupled with the Zeiss but as the only camera, I don't think my level of zen (also a lot of people) is high enough to just live with only a 24mm lor.




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post Aug 5 2011, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(chiahau @ Aug 5 2011, 03:41 PM)
There is a E-mount converter to A-mount, so you can buy A-mount and attach it to the Nex.

Not sure its work for Nex7 but it works for Nex5N~"
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And make the system even more front heavy?

QUOTE(ronnie @ Aug 5 2011, 03:43 PM)
CZ 24mm is 36mm (35mm standard)... quite ok range. Natural eye-level range.
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Yes... but only if zen level is there. I tried running around europe with just a 30mm. Got some nice shots and missed a lot of shot.
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post Aug 5 2011, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Aug 5 2011, 08:47 PM)
enough range but not enough zen  whistling.gif
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post Aug 7 2011, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Aug 7 2011, 09:21 AM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

the fucuk man. So sarcastic.  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Kai knows zen tongue.gif
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post Aug 7 2011, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Aug 7 2011, 07:52 PM)
you also can have zen. just slap on a Leica lens lor....  rolleyes.gif
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to be fair... everyone wants to love the NEX just like Kai.

I went to play with it today summore... to touch and caress its silver plastic chassis but got turned off by the lens yet again

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post Aug 8 2011, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(zXJaMeSXz @ Aug 7 2011, 11:38 PM)
Is the 22k just for the 18-200 lens or together with the body?
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Lens only ler.

QUOTE(Valentino46 @ Aug 8 2011, 02:53 AM)
the 18-200mm review on most site is ok ish
and it is a more proper bokeh machine than micro four third with their larger sensor and lenses,i went trying ep-3 and nex-c3 side by side with their kit lens on some shop few days ago,and even with kit lens nex larger sensor did produce substantially more background isolation than ep-3,no matter how i like bout the micro four third system,i can't give up the capability afforded by a larger sensor format,except if something dramatic is being made by pana/olym to address this
imho,you can always get back some of the sharpness/detail through whatever means,shooting raw,better lens design,technological advancement,but you simply can't make a small sensor becoming large no matter what you like to say,that is the only card hold by sony with their nex i think,i just hope they make use of this advantage as much as possible,not continue create cameras intend for dummy which doesn't care about how big the sensor is
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IMHO, the whole experience of using the camera (the Zen) is more important than the tech sheet.

As such, I feel that PEN, GF and NEX form factor is really more suited towards pancake lens.

Even with the kit zoom, they all feel fiddly and unbalanced... can't shoot it like a dslr and can't shoot it like a compact also.

Despite always bashing bonzai dslr's .... panny G and GH is the one to go if zoom lens are a must.

Anyway, regarding sensor size... the issue is not bokeh.. you can always fit faster glass on it. And in this case, a smaller sensor is not necessarily at a disadvantage.

Main disadvantage however is the darn dynamic range. You can bokeh a m43 to match a pic from a 5DMk2 but never the DR (unless bracket and shoot hdr thought that's another story).

Lastly, m43 with kit zoom has even a tad less low light capability and roughly same dof as the XZ-1 niah.


QUOTE(0300078 @ Aug 8 2011, 09:12 AM)
In the other way round they said the M4/3 lens should be cheaper becoz their size are smaller but then..... i dun see those M4/3 lens being tat much of a cheaper anyway.
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But they are cheaper compared with dslr's isn't it?
Like 20mm f1.7 is a touch over 1K niah.... and for dslr, that's considered to be el cheapo category di.

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post Aug 8 2011, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(Valentino46 @ Aug 8 2011, 01:46 PM)
yeah,i still remember the first time i pick up a pen camera and the feeling is wonderful,but i don't think the nex-5 in particular is that bad,the grip is decent,but the thing with nex-5 of other similar mirrorless camera is that they lack the evf and eyepiece,in which it can aids support when u composing picture on it,and its the same problem when u using liveview to compose with DSLR,the handling suddenly become odd
and if i don't want to manual focus a big aperture non native lens ,then most of the native m4/3 lens is simply not enough,and i had observe some bokeh pic of the new olym 45mm f1.8 m4/3 from some web,the isolation capabilities still very much below my expectation
with nex i don't have to spend too much on fast lens to achieve enough bokeh,and still enjoy the convenient and precision of CDAF which imho one of the greatest unrealized advantage of mirrorless camera
and yeah,DR problem which you mentioned,although i care lss of that
now i'm considering a system which i want to invest upon and i really need to weight everything really carefully,its not cheap to change system later on as like now i'm selling my brickstone DSLR,and i don't want to stuck with a disadvantage forever
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Speaking of precision CDAF.

What do you shoot until the 7D's AF is not accurate enough for you? hmm.gif What's your lens hoard?

For me... if I want bokeh..

I'll just get an entry dslr + 50mm f1.8... 200grams heavier but cheaper and lots more bokeh than any of the choices here.

NEX have no fast lens... and good fast lens is heavy = unbalanced + I won't buy into a system without existing lens (track record not that good as well) and only potentially "magic" lens could be 24mm Zeiss.

As for m43.. just keep in mind that the bokeh-ness is ~ one stop less than APS-C so lets say a Oly 17mm f2.8's bokehness is around that of a "22mm f4" for Canon.





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post Aug 8 2011, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(Valentino46 @ Aug 8 2011, 05:50 PM)
i'm feeling like i have to explain for every preference i elect to,but non the least
try google canon DSLR(or any specific model) af focus error,or focus offset problem,or use any key word regarding the problem,the issue is a plenty and widespread,and u can see ppl which complaint bout the issue mostly gotten bad reply as they are noob which doesn't know how to use a camera(like it was rocket science to operate a DSLR),there might be some noob user which dunno how to use the AF point correctly,but most user actually knows,i for once,i know
AF accuracy is important in portrait and macro photography,off by 1% the different is a clear eyes or flat eye,and different in sharpness level,especially with fast lens,yeah i'm pixel peeper but there's no excuse for manufacturer anyway
i used to have some very good sample between properly focused subject using liveview vs the one using the phase detection when i went to canon service center to show them,and they admit the problem but couldn't solve it completely even after numerous trip i went there,at last their answer to me is "device tolerance",as engineer i know what means by tolerance,but if i have a choice i doesn't necessary need to accept it

NEX will introduce a 50mm F1.8 according to creditable rumors,the price of the lens will be around that of the upcoming olympus 45mm f1.8,that sounds good to me
yes i know the theoretical calculation for the DOF,i been there many time to convince myself into m4/3 being enough of the bokeh,but if there's better solution why not,but olympus prowess in their optics design and excellent jpeg engine did sway me a bit slightly
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Don't get me wrong buddy... I'm just curious niah.

And also for the lack of other subjects to spam. tongue.gif

There's 2 more contenders... the rumored Fuji and Leica mirrorless thumbup.gif

Have you tried downloading sample RAW files to peep?

I've been spamming both the NEX and m43 threads for ages cos I sooooo wanna get one but haven't convinced myself to date.

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post Aug 9 2011, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(adriansyc @ Aug 8 2011, 10:10 PM)
should i leave nex family n jump to dslr family?   icon_question.gif

initially i owe a nex3 twin lens.. then i feel i 1 to grab nex5h(sony staff price ard rm2755) so i sell my nex3+1855 lens, unfortunately then nex5h no stock.. n i search ard kl area i found the cheapest i can get outside is ard rm2899..

izit worth to spend rm 2.9k on m43 camera? izit worth to get a dslr? hmm.gif

bt i really a sony nex fan! if i affordable i would keep my nex n get a dslr as well  rclxm9.gif

my dilemma now is i holding my 16mm pancake+1 extra battery.. and i already post for sales bt no need seen interested.. so what should i do now? rclxub.gif

kindly  icon_question.gif !!
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Why u wanna change?

QUOTE(eugenechiuu @ Aug 9 2011, 12:00 AM)
FOC la of course, still in warranty ma
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Wah... Sony really kaya... send from KK to KL just to clean sensor.


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QUOTE(Valentino46 @ Aug 8 2011, 07:11 PM)
for your type of photography(i assuming street photography here),the olympus system is the obvious choice i think
but i can see DR being important to you and you just couldn't ignore the advantage afforded by larger sensor,just like i couldn't give up for the bokehness here
we are on the same boat then,if so lets pray the nex-7 to be a darn good one
Fuji will mostly join m4/3 so its same old moan by me as with other m4/3,and as with leica,no matter how much it cost and how hassle to use ppl like kai will still adore it
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I'm thinking of maybe the E-PM1

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