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2011 Kia Optima, when will launch in Malaysia?
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nice! wonder when it will launch in Malaysia
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I thought it would be launched here around September?No?
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Jun 24 2011, 08:06 PM
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supposed to be by yr end
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raya time! |
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The front grill looks like batman icon
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I've just booked a Sorento today. Lookin' forward to collect it.
  My review...... Mang! the car is full of tech. Before this my mind was closed for Korean cars but after test driving it, I know this is the right car for me. Compared to CRV, Fortuner , Pajero Sport, X-Trail, Even it's own brother the Santa FE, Tucson & the recently launched Sportage, I can safely tell u all that it is the pick of the bunch. Style it is more beautiful than it's rival & very comfy. Performance no doubt, it's far more powerful than even the 2.7 Fortuner. WOnder if this Optima is good. But my verdict is that it'll most likely do with the Theta II engine rather than the GDi. |
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QUOTE(masz94 @ Jun 24 2011, 09:24 PM) I've just booked a Sorento today. Lookin' forward to collect it. why not sportage My review...... Mang! the car is full of tech. Before this my mind was closed for Korean cars but after test driving it, I know this is the right car for me. Compared to CRV, Fortuner , Pajero Sport, X-Trail, Even it's own brother the Santa FE, Tucson & the recently launched Sportage, I can safely tell u all that it is the pick of the bunch. Style it is more beautiful than it's rival & very comfy. Performance no doubt, it's far more powerful than even the 2.7 Fortuner. WOnder if this Optima is good. But my verdict is that it'll most likely do with the Theta II engine rather than the GDi.   |
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Jun 25 2011, 11:49 AM
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QUOTE(seanoys @ Jun 24 2011, 11:39 PM) why not sportage Maybe masz94 need a bigger CC 7 seated SUV...If he compare to like Fortuner, X-rail, Pajaro Sport, Sante FE or Korando i think Sorento is a good choice also |
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Jun 25 2011, 12:27 PM
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When it will launch in Malaysia? Price around how much??
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Jun 25 2011, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE(CalvinKS @ Jun 25 2011, 12:27 PM) When it will launch in Malaysia? Price around how much?? watch the video lor at post#5 |
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Jun 25 2011, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jun 25 2011, 12:52 PM) watch the video lor at post#5 Should be priced around RM 130K for the 2.0L |
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Jun 25 2011, 01:05 PM
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thanks for the info but I'm not the one asking.
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Jun 25 2011, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jun 25 2011, 01:05 PM) thanks for the info but I'm not the one asking. Waiting for the launch.. may opt to trade in my forte..haha |
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Jun 25 2011, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE(seanoys @ Jun 24 2011, 11:39 PM) why not sportage I've tested both and somewhat I feel the Sorento more stylish & better specced. Powerwise the Sportage oso not powerful as Sorento eventough Sorento is heavier. The Sportage is oso quite small & I prefer 7 seat SUV.Feature wise, the Sorento oso got self-levelizing suspension which meant that if 1 side of the car is higher than the other one, it will counter balance the car height. During the test driving I really pushed both cars kaw-kaw. Full throttle, I managed to push the Sorento to 115 kp/h in second gear, whereas Sportage will only do 100 kp/h in second gear. During hard u-turns, I did feel that the Sportage got some body roll but controllable. Sorento meanwhile do the same thing better. Sorento oso got better ground clearance. That is the reason why I choose the Sorento over Sportage......    Added on June 25, 2011, 10:46 pm QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jun 25 2011, 01:03 PM) Should be priced around RM 130K for the 2.0L I don't think so coz The Sportage is already priced at 138K. This Optima will perhaps venture into the 140K category.  This post has been edited by masz94: Jun 25 2011, 10:46 PM |
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Jun 26 2011, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE(masz94 @ Jun 25 2011, 10:41 PM) I don't think so coz The Sportage is already priced at 138K. This Optima will perhaps venture into the 140K category. If 140K then it will be too expensive for Korean Car...  |
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Jun 27 2011, 12:05 AM
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QUOTE(masz94 @ Jun 25 2011, 10:41 PM) I've tested both and somewhat I feel the Sorento more stylish & better specced. Powerwise the Sportage oso not It cant be more expensive than a SUV. If 140K it will die an immediate death. I don't think so coz The Sportage is already priced at 138K. This Optima will perhaps venture into the 140K category. |
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Jun 27 2011, 12:12 AM
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if the price is at Civic range I'll definitely choose Optima over Civic as I believe Kia has more to offer than Civic for the same price.
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Jun 27 2011, 05:36 PM
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This One SO nice.... lolz.
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Jul 14 2011, 03:26 PM
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it'll definitely be cheaper than sonata!
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Jul 14 2011, 04:09 PM
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Optima much better then sonata!
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Jul 14 2011, 06:14 PM
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Bila Launch ah?
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Jul 14 2011, 07:12 PM
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Jul 14 2011, 06:14 PM) Bila Launch ah? just service my car today...27/7 expected will arrived here |
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Jul 14 2011, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Jul 14 2011, 07:12 PM) just service my car today...27/7 expected will arrived here U sure bro? Optima launch on 27/7 in msia? |
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Jul 15 2011, 12:55 AM
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source pls..?
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Jul 15 2011, 02:12 AM
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Jul 14 2011, 08:43 PM) U sure bro? Optima launch on 27/7 in msia? that whats the SA told me...he asked me to go there for launch event... |
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Jul 15 2011, 01:58 PM
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which branch?
who's the SA? |
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Jul 15 2011, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE(lelynx @ Jul 15 2011, 01:58 PM) which branch? kulim...not naza branch...a naza dealer therewho's the SA? |
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Jul 15 2011, 03:27 PM
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i see... let me check out with kl branch... should have more up-to-date info if they really bring in soon
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Jul 15 2011, 05:10 PM
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But the interior lose to Sonata
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Jul 17 2011, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE(shamsul_LP @ Jul 15 2011, 02:46 PM) kulim...not naza branch...a naza dealer there Lai Kim ? |
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Jul 17 2011, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE(lelynx @ Jul 15 2011, 03:27 PM) i see... let me check out with kl branch... should have more up-to-date info if they really bring in soon Any news in KL? |
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Jul 17 2011, 05:24 PM
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120k.
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Jul 17 2011, 06:11 PM
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How about with the Turbo Charged ?
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Jul 17 2011, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE(masz94 @ Jul 17 2011, 03:52 PM) Lai Kim ? yuo |
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Jul 24 2011, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Jul 17 2011, 04:36 PM) Any news in KL? I've visited Naza-Kia showroom in Taman Maluri last Sunday (17 July). Asked a sales girl about Optima 2011 launch date, but she could not provide a definite answer. All she can say is that popular rumours within the company is before Hari Raya, the wait might be coming to an end real soon. I asked if they are accepting booking deposit, she said no, but is willing to take down my name and contact number, so she could contact me when she has got a confirmed launch date.  |
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Jul 24 2011, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE(mutt @ Jun 27 2011, 12:12 AM) if the price is at Civic range I'll definitely choose Optima over Civic as I believe Kia has more to offer than Civic for the same price. the price for sure will be more than civic..it will be in the same class as sonata, accord and camry...price maybe more than rm130k...heard it will be launch here this november... |
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Aug 5 2011, 02:18 AM
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eh no news d ah?
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Aug 5 2011, 09:17 PM
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Yeah. Very suprising, supposed to be launched in August. But till now no indication as to when, what is the price & what version will be available.
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Aug 5 2011, 10:05 PM
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august??who told u??
I only heard all rumours is stating launching in Octorber... Price is estimate about RM140k Im doubt it will be less than rm135k as we getting the CBU high spec one The price is my own prediction only... |
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Aug 10 2011, 04:11 PM
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i think it will be after raya
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Aug 10 2011, 04:27 PM
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looks damn brilliant
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Aug 10 2011, 11:42 PM
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saw one in bintulu, brunei-registered of course
dem..it look nice n roar |
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Aug 12 2011, 07:16 PM
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A review in korean, just for reference. |
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Aug 12 2011, 08:25 PM
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the only thing i dunt like about this car , is the K5 emblem..
good gawd its look so awsome.. this make 2012 camry like a child drawn car btw, u can embedded vimeo vids? i dunno that  |
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Sep 2 2011, 03:17 PM
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Bila datang?
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Sep 2 2011, 03:24 PM
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next year i guess.no local news at all. sigh.
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Sep 2 2011, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(figure8 @ Sep 2 2011, 03:24 PM) next year i guess.no local news at all. sigh. LOL KIA and Hyundai really abang adik... Both also messed up interms of getting the cars here... |
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Sep 2 2011, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Sep 2 2011, 04:03 PM) LOL KIA and Hyundai really abang adik... Both also messed up interms of getting the cars here... yea. crap. still waiting for avante  |
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Sep 8 2011, 12:39 AM
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the T-GDI version would be awesome, but I doubt Naza will bring that in.. at least this year.
Both T-GDI version for the Optima / Sportage is awesome! |
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Sep 8 2011, 09:49 AM
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our *superb* oil in m'sia can't meet the standard for GDI engine
if not, you should be seeing GDI for the new Avante at s'pore as well don't they don't due to the quality of the oil |
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Sep 8 2011, 04:04 PM
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omg i didnt know that =( crap.
AND WHEN THE HELL R THEY LAUNCHING THIS? |
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Sep 8 2011, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE(spcx @ Sep 8 2011, 04:04 PM) omg i didnt know that =( crap. +100000AND WHEN THE HELL R THEY LAUNCHING THIS? |
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Sep 8 2011, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE(bkn199 @ Aug 10 2011, 04:11 PM) i think it will be after raya after raya liao.. |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Sep 8 2011, 06:26 PM) after raya liao.. after hari raya haji...or raya 2012.... |
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Sep 8 2011, 11:01 PM
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eh no la..raya 2013! haha..
if it doesnt launch by Oct i'm getting the Sportage! Added on September 13, 2011, 4:57 pman update from my Sportage SA.. Optima will be launched in Nov, only 100 units available, and only the 2.0 version. This post has been edited by spcx: Sep 13 2011, 04:57 PM |
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Sep 28 2011, 02:02 AM
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i will sell my house for the new optima.i'll be the first in line to cue at 6am or hustle my way through if i have to for booking deposit.lol
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Nov 17 2011, 04:12 PM
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Any news on this yet?
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Nov 21 2011, 10:28 AM
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check out the nice photos at paultan
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Nov 21 2011, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE(SothysSaleShop @ Nov 17 2011, 04:12 PM) Any news on this yet? Good news...http://paultan.org/2011/11/20/kia-optima-c...-at-port-klang/ |
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QUOTE(lynnertay @ Nov 21 2011, 10:30 AM) best is can be launch soon..dont just car arrived port but delay on launching date... Last time rumous is november now i assume this expected time will be delay at least 1 more month... im cant wait to go showroom and test drive it |
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Nov 22 2011, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE(leds @ Nov 22 2011, 11:12 AM) best is can be launch soon.. Hi, i heard from some of the Kia/Naza SA, price is around 140k. dont just car arrived port but delay on launching date... Last time rumous is november now i assume this expected time will be delay at least 1 more month... im cant wait to go showroom and test drive it Aiyoh, this one is a bit expensive already. 130k, just nice. Nevertheless, hope for the best.  |
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Nov 22 2011, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE(DAVE008 @ Nov 22 2011, 08:53 PM) Hi, i heard from some of the Kia/Naza SA, price is around 140k. 140K? More expensive than Sonata?Aiyoh, this one is a bit expensive already. 130k, just nice. Nevertheless, hope for the best. |
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Nov 22 2011, 09:35 PM
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Cool!...finally...thanks for sharing mate...existing Optima user here
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Nov 22 2011, 09:49 PM
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great design!!
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Nov 22 2011, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE(Darkcity212 @ Sep 28 2011, 02:02 AM) i will sell my house for the new optima.i'll be the first in line to cue at 6am or hustle my way through if i have to for booking deposit.lol time to clean your house man. |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 22 2011, 09:01 PM) 140K? More expensive than Sonata? most like will be like sportage with one specs... n unfortunately most likely will be priced around tat... cannot xompare with sonata low specs... |
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Nov 22 2011, 10:20 PM
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kinda disappointed with the below....excerpt from paultan website
<< There doesn’t seem to be any indications of the engine though, as we could not find any badging indicating engine size on the rear end – just a sole badge that says Optima. Anthony Lim tried out the 198hp 2.4 liter GDI model in Australia earlier this year, but it seems we won’t be getting that engine because of issues with our petrol quality. >> |
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Nov 22 2011, 10:22 PM
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the price should be comparable with sonata... or less. if they selling 2.0 around 130k, that is really good.
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Nov 23 2011, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 22 2011, 09:01 PM) 140K? More expensive than Sonata? In case really hit rm140k that will be overpriced...should be top rm135k, bottom rm130k than this will be the right price This post has been edited by leds: Nov 23 2011, 01:14 AM |
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Nov 23 2011, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE(leds @ Nov 23 2011, 01:12 AM) In case really hit rm140k that will be overpriced... Yeah 135k max (with insurance) & all the goodies, will be alright. 140k people will start thinking twice already about the purchase. I have a feeling NAZA is getting cocky already with the recent success of forte & 508. should be top rm135k, bottom rm130k than this will be the right price  |
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Nov 23 2011, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Nov 22 2011, 09:56 PM) time to clean your house man. haha where u copied that from an old thread.man i was just exaggerating over my statements.this is indeed a nice car to look at but the badge hurts my eye.i dont really trust korean engine as i tested the sonata itself ..cheap leather seats and slight vibrations are noticed..it is a good car,good value for money car,but not the engine laThis post has been edited by Darkcity212: Nov 23 2011, 07:01 PM |
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Nov 23 2011, 07:36 PM
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cruze > all
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QUOTE(squareballs @ Nov 23 2011, 07:36 PM) turbo diesel cruze > all fixed |
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QUOTE(fr0sti3 @ Nov 24 2011, 12:02 AM) fixed yeah man!!that the word i liked |
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QUOTE(DAVE008 @ Nov 23 2011, 06:45 PM) Yeah 135k max (with insurance) & all the goodies, will be alright. 140k people will start thinking twice already about the purchase. I have a feeling NAZA is getting cocky already with the recent success of forte & 508. Success of the Peugeot 508? What success? |
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Nov 24 2011, 05:47 PM
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Lol yeah 508 what success?
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Nov 24 2011, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 24 2011, 01:54 AM) Success of the Peugeot 508? What success? QUOTE(Darkcity212 @ Nov 24 2011, 05:47 PM) Lol yeah 508 what success? Success of getting more than 100 bookings before prelaunch. Dunno about the number of cancellation afterwards.Heheheheheh. |
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Dec 11 2011, 12:51 PM
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no more news bout the Optima....?
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Dec 13 2011, 09:29 AM
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yesterday ntv7 evening news, K5 will b launch this month and the new Rio will b coming March 2012.
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Dec 13 2011, 10:34 AM
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Here are a few TVCs to refresh your memories
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD0zVP-DkOE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBKhV3cbRj8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1BuCi1VviU&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KQ5fnZlEnE&feature=relmfu And sadly, the spec we most probably won't get: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXa1G7rE8-A |
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QUOTE(madman.com @ Dec 13 2011, 09:29 AM) yesterday ntv7 evening news, K5 will b launch this month and the new Rio will b coming March 2012. is it????? been waiting for a looooooooooooooooooooooooong time |
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 13 2011, 10:34 AM) Here are a few TVCs to refresh your memories wat spec u r referring to being not available?2.4L one?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD0zVP-DkOE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBKhV3cbRj8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1BuCi1VviU&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KQ5fnZlEnE&feature=relmfu And sadly, the spec we most probably won't get: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXa1G7rE8-A This post has been edited by yamasce: Dec 13 2011, 09:56 PM |
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Dec 14 2011, 12:30 AM
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QUOTE(yamasce @ Dec 13 2011, 09:32 PM) wat spec u r referring to being not available?2.4L one? Ya, most probably that too. Even if we got the 2.4 it would be the 174hp MPI version and not the 200hp GDI. I'm referring more to the 271hp 2.0 turbo  |
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Dec 14 2011, 12:36 AM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 14 2011, 12:30 AM) Ya, most probably that too. Even if we got the 2.4 it would be the 174hp MPI version and not the 200hp GDI. I'm referring more to the 271hp 2.0 turbo ahh...yea...it will b good enough even if they bring in GDI...but oh well malaysian fuel is shit...coz of shit policies and G also la...anyway any news on actual launching date and price?i'm guessing will b priced well below high spec sonata...so around 140-143k...if follow the current trend la...how bout the waiting period?will it b the same with sportage? |
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QUOTE(madman.com @ Dec 13 2011, 09:29 AM) yesterday ntv7 evening news, K5 will b launch this month and the new Rio will b coming March 2012. K5 launching this month..next month or february only can get car...So waiting period is bout 1-2month for first batch pre-booking owner But im glad they manage to launch this month...cant wait to check out the real car... Will take some photograph and share it here by that time QUOTE(yamasce @ Dec 14 2011, 12:36 AM) ahh...yea...it will b good enough even if they bring in GDI...but oh well malaysian fuel is shit...coz of shit policies and G also la...anyway any news on actual launching date and price?i'm guessing will b priced well below high spec sonata...so around 140-143k...if follow the current trend la...how bout the waiting period?will it b the same with sportage? If rm140k than K5 will not be so competitve in same segment ..personally think should be between rm135k more suitable If come out really rm140k and above than i think its overpriced This post has been edited by leds: Dec 14 2011, 02:32 AM |
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Dec 14 2011, 02:33 AM
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I do not like the look of the rim...
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Dec 14 2011, 02:57 AM
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QUOTE(DiamondBar @ Dec 14 2011, 02:33 AM) I do not like the look of the rim... It looks good in motion. I guess that matters more? Check out the ads on youtube and you'll see how those rims go with the forward motion of the car's design.Here, see how the rims will look in motion, minus the high shutter speed magic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtO4ncUCgC0&feature=related Don't they look like armoured discs to you? Hot dang! This post has been edited by gregy: Dec 14 2011, 03:02 AM |
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Dec 14 2011, 03:00 AM
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QUOTE(leds @ Dec 14 2011, 03:28 AM) K5 launching this month..next month or february only can get car... name me a car which is not overpriced here in Bolehland....lol So waiting period is bout 1-2month for first batch pre-booking owner But im glad they manage to launch this month...cant wait to check out the real car... Will take some photograph and share it here by that time If rm140k than K5 will not be so competitve in same segment .. personally think should be between rm135k more suitable If come out really rm140k and above than i think its overpriced |
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Dec 14 2011, 03:18 AM
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I predict this Kia Optima has a very high depreciation value,
just like Sonata YF. Only very rich man will buy it... definitely not me.. |
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Dec 14 2011, 03:20 AM
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QUOTE(DiamondBar @ Dec 14 2011, 04:18 AM) I predict this Kia Optima has a very high depreciation value, how about the Scirocco and Mazda3 bro? what's ur input on the depreciation issue of these 2 models?just like Sonata YF. Only very rich man will buy it... definitely not me.. |
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Dec 14 2011, 03:27 AM
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QUOTE(kienu @ Dec 14 2011, 03:20 AM) how about the Scirocco and Mazda3 bro? what's ur input on the depreciation issue of these 2 models? All European cars have no resale value in Malaysia (everybody knows this), of course including Volkswagen Scirocco. These cars are for rich man and car maniacs. Mazda 3's design is great, but it has a old designed 4AT gear box, I do not see any good reasons to buy it. Resale value of course is bad, no doubt about it. Added on December 14, 2011, 3:31 am QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 14 2011, 02:57 AM) It looks good in motion. I guess that matters more? Check out the ads on youtube and you'll see how those rims go with the forward motion of the car's design. Thanks for the fantastic video.Here, see how the rims will look in motion, minus the high shutter speed magic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtO4ncUCgC0&feature=related Don't they look like armoured discs to you? Hot dang! The rims are really looks good when the car is running. But I am sure the car cleaner will charge more to clean the big piece of armored rims. And I think these rims need some maintenance.. This post has been edited by DiamondBar: Dec 14 2011, 03:31 AM |
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Dec 14 2011, 04:43 AM
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QUOTE(kienu @ Dec 14 2011, 03:00 AM) name me a car which is not overpriced here in Bolehland....lol so what price u expected for this k5??dont tell me rm120k-rm130k...that will be dreaming..lolzz |
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Dec 14 2011, 06:32 AM
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QUOTE(DiamondBar @ Dec 14 2011, 03:27 AM) All European cars have no resale value in Malaysia (everybody knows this), of course You even worry about car cleaner charges?including Volkswagen Scirocco. These cars are for rich man and car maniacs. Mazda 3's design is great, but it has a old designed 4AT gear box, I do not see any good reasons to buy it. Resale value of course is bad, no doubt about it. Added on December 14, 2011, 3:31 am Thanks for the fantastic video. The rims are really looks good when the car is running. But I am sure the car cleaner will charge more to clean the big piece of armored rims. And I think these rims need some maintenance.. Mazda3 using 5 speed auto. U wan good value for your money? Go to properties talk, here is fast and furious, not save the world and live forever thread. This post has been edited by turbocharged: Dec 14 2011, 06:34 AM |
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Dec 14 2011, 09:59 AM
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QUOTE(leds @ Dec 14 2011, 02:28 AM) K5 launching this month..next month or february only can get car... err u will see my prediction is correct...due to the recent sportage pricing which is overpriced as well...they will compare with high spec sonata believe me...they will say oh high spec sonata 145k but kia slightly less exclusive than hyundai and optima got abit better features and confident will be hot cake...we will price it juz below sonata then...and we are slapped with 140+k price tag lolzSo waiting period is bout 1-2month for first batch pre-booking owner But im glad they manage to launch this month...cant wait to check out the real car... Will take some photograph and share it here by that time If rm140k than K5 will not be so competitve in same segment .. personally think should be between rm135k more suitable If come out really rm140k and above than i think its overpriced anyway of coz everyone including me hope for the best but chances are gonna b overpriced.. QUOTE(DiamondBar @ Dec 14 2011, 03:18 AM) I predict this Kia Optima has a very high depreciation value, err if u planning to change car every 4-5 yrs of coz...but more than 9 yrs of usage depreciation value won't matter much anymore...most important is to know how long u gonna use ur car...for long term ppl would go for looks, drivability and their passion for the car...if u scared of this and that then juz go with typical malaysian mentality tat T&H is no. 1...no offencejust like Sonata YF. Only very rich man will buy it... definitely not me.. Added on December 14, 2011, 4:47 pmguys good news for us...long awaited killer will be launched soon...gentlemen...start ur engine..vroommm vrooommm http://www.motortrader.com.my/Cars/NewsHea...-on-Dec-27.aspx This post has been edited by yamasce: Dec 14 2011, 04:52 PM |
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Dec 14 2011, 08:58 PM
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your so called prediction is totally wrong! newer Kia's & Hyundai's have better resale value, simply because the newer models are more desirable. 2010 Forte 1.6sx is going for about rm65k-RM70k. even the nissan sylphy has a higher depreciation if compared to Forte.
QUOTE(DiamondBar @ Dec 14 2011, 03:18 AM) I predict this Kia Optima has a very high depreciation value, just like Sonata YF. Only very rich man will buy it... definitely not me.. |
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Dec 14 2011, 10:35 PM
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Finally, 27 of DEC, your waiting has been reply.
Anyone please upload more photos n spec about all the car details in forum, hope u can share out on that day at Kia Red Cube! Wow last month saw that building in progress, nvr tot that will be special launch for Mighty Optima or shall i say Camry Killer! Whatever price will be, this car gona vrooommm the way~~~Stay tune |
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Dec 14 2011, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(WieBoy @ Dec 14 2011, 10:35 PM) Finally, 27 of DEC, your waiting has been reply. juz hope is below 140k lo...anyway my mind alrdy set on this car Anyone please upload more photos n spec about all the car details in forum, hope u can share out on that day at Kia Red Cube! Wow last month saw that building in progress, nvr tot that will be special launch for Mighty Optima or shall i say Camry Killer! Whatever price will be, this car gona vrooommm the way~~~Stay tune  This post has been edited by yamasce: Dec 14 2011, 10:39 PM |
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Dec 14 2011, 10:48 PM
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heard that can get for 102k..dont know if its true
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Dec 14 2011, 10:59 PM
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QUOTE(kapultek @ Dec 14 2011, 10:48 PM) heard that can get for 102k..dont know if its true 102k? Then likely will be in SKD form with Naza badge instead. If it is true, you will see the waiting period could be as long as 1 year... Hahhaha |
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Dec 14 2011, 11:13 PM
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QUOTE(kapultek @ Dec 14 2011, 10:48 PM) heard that can get for 102k..dont know if its true lol wat 102k???err i think the rest of car manufacturer can gulung tikar alrdy...including kia's mother company hyundaiQUOTE(devinz @ Dec 14 2011, 10:59 PM) 102k? Then likely will be in SKD form with Naza badge instead. lol no way...cbu units alrdy in port klang...got pictures some more...If it is true, you will see the waiting period could be as long as 1 year... Hahhaha http://paultan.org/2011/11/20/kia-optima-c...-at-port-klang/ This post has been edited by yamasce: Dec 14 2011, 11:15 PM |
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Dec 15 2011, 12:03 AM
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already out from paultan news.. 27th December going to launch in Malaysia market....
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Dec 15 2011, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 14 2011, 07:32 AM) You even worry about car cleaner charges? super like! Mazda3 using 5 speed auto. U wan good value for your money? Go to properties talk, here is fast and furious, not save the world and live forever thread. good reply bro! |
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Dec 15 2011, 12:23 AM
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QUOTE(DiamondBar @ Dec 14 2011, 03:18 AM) I predict this Kia Optima has a very high depreciation value, No, it's not about rich or not. You are not knowledgeable, that's all.just like Sonata YF. Only very rich man will buy it... definitely not me.. http://www.mudah.my/Hyundai+Sonata+2+0-12764045.htm The above car, brand new is RM140k (high spec). Drop a lot meh? In terms of percentage, it's a mere 9% depreciation, even less if you consider that brand new price includes insurance etc (OTR price). Please take your head out of the sand and do more research la brudder. BTW, this was the cheapest YF Sonata up for sale (used) on mudah. |
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Dec 15 2011, 12:47 AM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 15 2011, 12:23 AM) No, it's not about rich or not. You are not knowledgeable, that's all. Seems that its the only 2010 2nd hand unit sold? How many other 2010 units sold and what were their prices?http://www.mudah.my/Hyundai+Sonata+2+0-12764045.htm The above car, brand new is RM140k (high spec). Drop a lot meh? In terms of percentage, it's a mere 9% depreciation, even less if you consider that brand new price includes insurance etc (OTR price). Please take your head out of the sand and do more research la brudder. BTW, this was the cheapest YF Sonata up for sale (used) on mudah. |
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Dec 15 2011, 12:57 AM
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A person paying for a RM50K-RM70K for a car may not be paying much attention at the depreciation rate but a person spending around RM140K will definitely think twice. Even a mere 9% depreciation a year will mean a lot that's why resale value is serious business in Malaysia.
I think pricing it at RM130K-RM140K ranges will be a tough sale even if it's a good car. Of course, there will always be a group who always buy during launches but looking at it a year or two later, will these sales be sustainable if it is priced too highly? |
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Dec 15 2011, 01:00 AM
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QUOTE(btfan @ Dec 15 2011, 12:57 AM) A person paying for a RM50K-RM70K for a car may not be paying much attention at the depreciation rate but a person spending around RM140K will definitely think twice. Even a mere 9% depreciation a year will mean a lot that's why resale value is serious business in Malaysia. 9% for the 1st or 1.5 years is a fair depreciation. Not by any means spectacular, but also not that bad either. I think that's the point Gregy's trying to make. I think pricing it at RM130K-RM140K ranges will be a tough sale even if it's a good car. Of course, there will always be a group who always buy during launches but looking at it a year or two later, will these sales be sustainable if it is priced too highly? I do agree with him though. |
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Dec 15 2011, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(btfan @ Dec 15 2011, 12:57 AM) A person paying for a RM50K-RM70K for a car may not be paying much attention at the depreciation rate but a person spending around RM140K will definitely think twice. Even a mere 9% depreciation a year will mean a lot that's why resale value is serious business in Malaysia. You are talking about two different segments altogether. Someone buying a foreign branded D segment car will not have the same mentality as someone who buys a B or C segment local ride. Put it simply, if one can't even afford 9% depreciation on a RM140k car, he/she doesn't belong in that category. The loan officer who approved his/her loan is either on the take or a jackass who deserves to be fired.I think pricing it at RM130K-RM140K ranges will be a tough sale even if it's a good car. Of course, there will always be a group who always buy during launches but looking at it a year or two later, will these sales be sustainable if it is priced too highly? Let's take an example of a popular D-segment car, Toyota Camry 2.0G facelift version. Brand new OTR price: RM154,990 http://www.motorcar-malaysia.com/2009/09/t...facelifted.html After 2+ yrs: RM120,000 (rounded up) WITHOUT INS, ROAD TAX ETC http://www.mudah.my/Toyota+Camry+2+0G+Auto...ew-12680031.htm So let's see: RM154,990 LESS RM4,151 (ins.) + RM380 (road tax) + misc RM500 = RM5,000 (rounded up) Hence: RM154,990 minus RM5,000 = RM150,000 (rounded up) is the actual cost of the car. After 2+ yrs, RM120,000, so the total drop is RM30,000. (Amount of decrease/Initial value) * 100 => (RM30,000 divided by RM150,000) * 100 = 20% depreciation or 80% residual value So, how now? Even Camry owner need to shed RM30,000 in 2+yrs. And please, don't say a person spending RM130-140k. He didn't "spend" that amount, he merely paid a downpayment and took a loan for the balance. At the end of the day, to calculate how much he actually spent on the car all he needs to do is count how much deposit paid, how many months repayment paid, deduct the balance that he got back after selling the car. THAT is the true amount of what he "spent" on that car. |
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Dec 15 2011, 11:16 AM
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LOL you definitely lost me there with the argument above. How can a different segment buyers have different type of mentality with regard to resale value as a factor? Unless you have more money than you could count? I have seen people placing much more emphasis on resale value than any other things whether it is a D-segment car or a premium compact C segment cars.
Your example serves nothing more than to show a car will suffer depreciation and on that note I will agree with you but it does not show why the Kia Optima deserved to be priced at RM140K-RM150K (or any other figure you have in mind) and whether the resale value will be on par with the japanese make. The figures given is obviously for ease of reference and understanding but your point is redundant since assuming the bank loan rate and the years of repayment is the same then I guess the only variable factor is the resale value isn't it? I'm not some Toyota and Honda fanboys and hell I will even get a Kia car myself if it is priced right but I do not think Kia is at the stage where it can price this car any way near its competitors at least not in this country anyway. Even Naza knows this fact otherwise why would they sell the Kia Forte 2.0 (RRP: RM97,800) for at least RM30,000 cheaper against the Honda Civic 2.0 (RRP: RM130,980)? |
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Dec 15 2011, 11:27 AM
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actually, different segment has different mentality.
i think sub 70k and above 200k segment will not care about resale too much. those in between, if they stretch the loan too much, then they will find resale value very important, better if its good FC and cheap maintenance. if i can only afford rm50k car, and i go buy a vios at rm80k(9 years loan). i will be damn sure the car must be cheap in FC and maintenance, because i wont have much money left for those FC and service any way. so, if you see ppl driving big cars with cheap/botak tyre, then you know their economy status. they are stretching the loan and payment just to look good. |
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Dec 15 2011, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 15 2011, 10:04 AM) You are talking about two different segments altogether. Someone buying a foreign branded D segment car will not have the same mentality as someone who buys a B or C segment local ride. Put it simply, if one can't even afford 9% depreciation on a RM140k car, he/she doesn't belong in that category. The loan officer who approved his/her loan is either on the take or a jackass who deserves to be fired. Let's take an example of a popular D-segment car, Toyota Camry 2.0G facelift version. Brand new OTR price: RM154,990 http://www.motorcar-malaysia.com/2009/09/t...facelifted.html After 2+ yrs: RM120,000 (rounded up) WITHOUT INS, ROAD TAX ETC http://www.mudah.my/Toyota+Camry+2+0G+Auto...ew-12680031.htm So let's see: RM154,990 LESS RM4,151 (ins.) + RM380 (road tax) + misc RM500 = RM5,000 (rounded up) Hence: RM154,990 minus RM5,000 = RM150,000 (rounded up) is the actual cost of the car. After 2+ yrs, RM120,000, so the total drop is RM30,000. (Amount of decrease/Initial value) * 100 => (RM30,000 divided by RM150,000) * 100 = 20% depreciation or 80% residual value So, how now? Even Camry owner need to shed RM30,000 in 2+yrs. And please, don't say a person spending RM130-140k. He didn't "spend" that amount, he merely paid a downpayment and took a loan for the balance. At the end of the day, to calculate how much he actually spent on the car all he needs to do is count how much deposit paid, how many months repayment paid, deduct the balance that he got back after selling the car. THAT is the true amount of what he "spent" on that car. Absolute agreed with you. Additional, all kind of cars still with loan is not belong to us. We "rent" from bank. Buying car is not an investment either unless you used the camry become a taxi/cab to gain profit. Also don't forget, automobile technology is getting advance time to time. Buy the car you like and not others people likes.. some others even like to compare with Jan-Dec2011 sale in m'sia which car model sell more then other model..really LOL!!! Does it really matter!?any related with the car we purchase? I don't mind hot door cars selling higher a bit, but at less gadget/safety give some more lar,counter weight back my $ spend. Unfortunately, it never happen.  So far in the market now we can see cold door car always give a better option. Either you still want to think inside the box? Or you want to think out from the box. This post has been edited by trijuta: Dec 15 2011, 11:47 AM |
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Dec 15 2011, 05:45 PM
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Whats the point of arguing. Just go and buy what you like to drive. This is 21st century no one care about resale value like the old folks do anymore.
Any car you bought in Malaysia is a rip off anyway. LOL |
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Dec 15 2011, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE(btfan @ Dec 15 2011, 11:16 AM) LOL you definitely lost me there with the argument above. How can a different segment buyers have different type of mentality with regard to resale value as a factor? Unless you have more money than you could count? I have seen people placing much more emphasis on resale value than any other things whether it is a D-segment car or a premium compact C segment cars. No need for the knee jerk reaction and start talking gibberish lol... I think you better stick to a Myvi. Best resale value. The new one Lagi Best resale value. Nuff said...Your example serves nothing more than to show a car will suffer depreciation and on that note I will agree with you but it does not show why the Kia Optima deserved to be priced at RM140K-RM150K (or any other figure you have in mind) and whether the resale value will be on par with the japanese make. The figures given is obviously for ease of reference and understanding but your point is redundant since assuming the bank loan rate and the years of repayment is the same then I guess the only variable factor is the resale value isn't it? I'm not some Toyota and Honda fanboys and hell I will even get a Kia car myself if it is priced right but I do not think Kia is at the stage where it can price this car any way near its competitors at least not in this country anyway. Even Naza knows this fact otherwise why would they sell the Kia Forte 2.0 (RRP: RM97,800) for at least RM30,000 cheaper against the Honda Civic 2.0 (RRP: RM130,980)? |
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Dec 15 2011, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Dec 15 2011, 05:45 PM) Whats the point of arguing. Just go and buy what you like to drive. This is 21st century no one care about resale value like the old folks do anymore. Any car you bought in Malaysia is a rip off anyway. LOL QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 15 2011, 05:59 PM) No need for the knee jerk reaction and start talking gibberish lol... I think you better stick to a Myvi. Best resale value. The new one Lagi Best resale value. Nuff said... +99999 |
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Dec 15 2011, 07:26 PM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 15 2011, 05:59 PM) No need for the knee jerk reaction and start talking gibberish lol... I think you better stick to a Myvi. Best resale value. The new one Lagi Best resale value. Nuff said... Why argue? this thread is to share about Kia Optima, not for debating against korean car la.......  btw, 102k is not possible, that one shown in expat is the old generation, not the one launching soon. heard 122k , 142k , 145 k ................which one is true??122k too good to be true, 142? 145? too much comparing to sonata le.......... anyone got any insider info or not? my SA also not sure.........  |
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Dec 16 2011, 01:03 AM
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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Dec 15 2011, 05:45 PM) Whats the point of arguing. Just go and buy what you like to drive. This is 21st century no one care about resale value like the old folks do anymore. Any car you bought in Malaysia is a rip off anyway. LOL QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 15 2011, 05:59 PM) No need for the knee jerk reaction and start talking gibberish lol... I think you better stick to a Myvi. Best resale value. The new one Lagi Best resale value. Nuff said... Well said. Malaysian some I will say tend to be pretty 'protective' of their own mindset plus the additional invisible shell surrounding the mindset. Clearly some are unable to accept the facts that Korean cars are catching up among their Japanese competitors in terms of quality, tech, engineering and design expecially on higher segment cars. Clearly some can't accept the fact that one can afford to buy a car while disregard it's resale value. And clearly some may want others to think alike and accept their mentality as the one and only. I've seen this debate over and over again being raised. Just a note, if u can't afford, don't buy new cars, if u worry so much about resale value, don't buy new cars, as the matter in fact don't buy any vehicles as all will depreciate in time. Walk your talk out. Period.This post has been edited by kirakun: Dec 16 2011, 01:04 AM |
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Dec 16 2011, 01:31 AM
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People we talk about cars here not properties. So any car you buy will depreciate. Question is do you like this car? If yes you can afford it go for it.
Do you really want to copy your neighbour have the same house & have the same car? Personally I like it. Its bloody cool looking car. Its make Honda & Toyota looks like crap. Bravo to Kia hire Peter Schreyer to design the car. If only Proton can wake up & smell the talent. |
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Dec 16 2011, 04:16 AM
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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Dec 16 2011, 01:31 AM) People we talk about cars here not properties. So any car you buy will depreciate. Question is do you like this car? If yes you can afford it go for it. Right on.Do you really want to copy your neighbour have the same house & have the same car? Personally I like it. Its bloody cool looking car. Its make Honda & Toyota looks like crap. Bravo to Kia hire Peter Schreyer to design the car. If only Proton can wake up & smell the talent. Depreciation is the norm for cars. It's just that, the majority of car owners don't know how to calculate simple primary school maths before blindly stating that so-and-so branded cars sure depreciate like hell wan. They heard it from their uncle's neighbour's cat's real owner's father's orchard owner's son's schoolmate's grandmother that Kia and Hyundai memang tak bleh pia. Judging by the number of Korean cars sold since 2010, I daresay that the general mentality is changing, although it will take some time. One has to look no further than the fiasco that is the Proton Waja for a good history lesson. At launch, a certain CEO proclaimed it as the Asian BMW. And it did have quite a few good things going for it like space, good torque etc. And what happened? Many ppl got stuck after paying toll, cannot wind up their windows. They put too many things in their glove box and it will not stay closed. FC was quite high compared to Wira/Satria/Iswara etc too. So much for Japanese technology (first batch was Mitsu engine and GB). As a result, many ppl felt cheated and swore on their great grandfather's grave never to touch Proton ever again. Then came the early Korean cars. They looked like shit. Anyone ever seen a cockroach a.k.a. "Siu Keong" by the name of Kia Sephia? The early Sonatas, Accents, Elantras, Getz, Matrix, Carnival, Chairman, Rio, Spectra, Picanto, Aveo etc. Ppl bought them because they couldn't stand Proton but yet can't afford Jap. So it's like the poor man's Jap mobile. Even now, sometimes when I bump into an old acquaintance and tell them I love the new Optima, they give me that look and say, "Aiyo, sure boh? Korean car leh, sure rugi like hell wan!" I for one am hoping that this mentality continues for a bit longer, so that we can still enjoy Korean cars at gooding prices Let the naysayers keep getting ripped off by the Japs lol... |
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QUOTE(kirakun @ Dec 16 2011, 01:03 AM) Well said. Malaysian some I will say tend to be pretty 'protective' of their own mindset plus the additional invisible shell surrounding the mindset. Clearly some are unable to accept the facts that Korean cars are catching up among their Japanese competitors in terms of quality, tech, engineering and design expecially on higher segment cars. Clearly some can't accept the fact that one can afford to buy a car while disregard it's resale value. And clearly some may want others to think alike and accept their mentality as the one and only. I've seen this debate over and over again being raised. Just a note, if u can't afford, don't buy new cars, if u worry so much about resale value, don't buy new cars, as the matter in fact don't buy any vehicles as all will depreciate in time. Walk your talk out. Period. Best reply to date. Kia Sephia has great suspension, one of the best i ever have the pleasure of riding in. The car does look fugly thought, but the champion of all fugly car is Fiat Multipla! Can't beat that one bro! Proton Juara... comes in close at the second... lol! This post has been edited by Madgeiser: Dec 16 2011, 08:35 AM |
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QUOTE(kirakun @ Dec 16 2011, 01:03 AM) Well said. Malaysian some I will say tend to be pretty 'protective' of their own mindset plus the additional invisible shell surrounding the mindset. Clearly some are unable to accept the facts that Korean cars are catching up among their Japanese competitors in terms of quality, tech, engineering and design expecially on higher segment cars. Clearly some can't accept the fact that one can afford to buy a car while disregard it's resale value. And clearly some may want others to think alike and accept their mentality as the one and only. I've seen this debate over and over again being raised. Just a note, if u can't afford, don't buy new cars, if u worry so much about resale value, don't buy new cars, as the matter in fact don't buy any vehicles as all will depreciate in time. Walk your talk out. Period. due to the rumors spread by SA and foreman.if happens on korean car, they will said, see? told you dont buy. if happens on local car, its ok, because local car is cheap, what you pay is what you get. if happens on honda/toyota, oh, even toyota or honda got problem, if kena other car, even worse, so i'm grateful i got jap car. if happens on bmw/merc, well, my ego prevents me from sharing it, how can those ppl driving local/jap/korean car understand this? these are the mindset. |
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2.4L will not available in Malaysia ?
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2.4L will not available in Malaysia ?
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QUOTE(Faint @ Dec 16 2011, 09:47 AM) 2.4L will not available in Malaysia ? Maybe they are scared can't sell, just like the Sonata 2.4; can hardly see any on the road.Which brings to mind that the majority of Sonata owners are most probably value minded ppl. On top of that, at the current moment any car above 2-litres (in the used car market) is very hard to sell and are priced around the same as their 2.0 cousins. IOW, ppl are getting quite worried about FC. Too fukken bad our petrol can't support GDI, otherwise we could write a petition and request for them to bring in the 2.0T GDI |
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QUOTE(btfan @ Dec 15 2011, 12:57 AM) A person paying for a RM50K-RM70K for a car may not be paying much attention at the depreciation rate but a person spending around RM140K will definitely think twice. Even a mere 9% depreciation a year will mean a lot that's why resale value is serious business in Malaysia. erm........I think pricing it at RM130K-RM140K ranges will be a tough sale even if it's a good car. Of course, there will always be a group who always buy during launches but looking at it a year or two later, will these sales be sustainable if it is priced too highly? QUOTE(geforce88 @ from some other thread) we buy car to drive and enjoy, NOT buy car thinking when wanna sell it / how much can sell .Added on December 16, 2011, 10:16 am QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 16 2011, 04:16 AM) I for one am hoping that this mentality continues for a bit longer, so that we can still enjoy Korean cars at gooding prices Inspira come in nice nice also people give baseless bashing. Let the naysayers keep getting ripped off by the Japs lol...as long as Naza / Proton / Korean brands involved - a bunch of naysayers will be around as well. |
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 15 2011, 05:59 PM) No need for the knee jerk reaction and start talking gibberish lol... I think you better stick to a Myvi. Best resale value. The new one Lagi Best resale value. Nuff said... Knee-jerk reaction? People merely pointed out that too high a price will make it a tough sell in this market and then you just came barging in with your "analysis" on resale value for a Japanese car. So I guess when you're losing in terms of rational arguments you resort to childish retorts? How old are you? 15? But I do guess it's my fault trying to reason with someone who is obviously mentally-challenged. QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 15 2011, 11:27 AM) actually, different segment has different mentality. You may try browsing at other forums catering for premium marques and you see people are still bothered about resale values. A good case in point is Audi. Seen as a better car elsewhere but it's not selling much here. The reason should be obvious but somehow it's too difficult to understand for certain people here.i think sub 70k and above 200k segment will not care about resale too much. |
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QUOTE(btfan @ Dec 20 2011, 01:21 AM) Knee-jerk reaction? People merely pointed out that too high a price will make it a tough sell in this market and then you just came barging in with your "analysis" on resale value for a Japanese car. Should I let you continue putting more dung on your own face, Mr Swift Comeback?So I guess when you're losing in terms of rational arguments you resort to childish retorts? How old are you? 15? But I do guess it's my fault trying to reason with someone who is obviously mentally-challenged. You may try browsing at other forums catering for premium marques and you see people are still bothered about resale values. A good case in point is Audi. Seen as a better car elsewhere but it's not selling much here. The reason should be obvious but somehow it's too difficult to understand for certain people here. Yeah, I will. |
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Hi all, I just got a call from an SA from Taman Maluri showroom, and apparently Naza is only bringing in the 2.0 model priced at RM140k-145k (with confirmation from HQ). They are trying to price it at Camry 2.0 and Accord 2.0's value, how ludicrous!
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Not a complete surpirse. Camry is priced at 145/155/175 for 2.0E,G and 2.4 respectively. Looking at the leaked specs from Paul Tan and assuming there is only one variant offered by Naza, then it should be compared with the high spec Camry 2.0G. The price gap is between 10-15k, so make your choice if you want a very sporty K5 which is 10-15k cheaper or a Camry 2.0G.
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Dec 20 2011, 05:08 PM
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just look at the pricing of kia sportage.
naza is determined not to please everyone by cheapen their image and price. a few years down the road, the impression of the public will change. |
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Dec 20 2011, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 20 2011, 05:08 PM) just look at the pricing of kia sportage. From a "lousy distributor that sells lousy car cheap, and fudges you up by slashing prices for old models that couldn't sell" to "greedy lousy distributor that sells great cars expensive, but fudges it up again with lousy service"? naza is determined not to please everyone by cheapen their image and price. a few years down the road, the impression of the public will change. This post has been edited by tunasandwich: Dec 20 2011, 05:16 PM |
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they tried to hire some higher management ppl from toyota and perodua la. since june 2011. so, hopefully they will be better the lousy service is due to.....well you know, the industry is very competitve, and perodua giving 8 months bonus, so they can change job anytime, the turn over very high. foreman tends to open their own store |
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Dec 20 2011, 05:17 PM
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Dec 20 2011, 05:13 PM) From a "lousy distributor that sells lousy car cheap, and fudges you up by slashing prices for old models that couldn't sell" to "greedy lousy distributor that sells great cars expensive, but fudges it up again with lousy service"? LOL nicely said! |
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Dec 20 2011, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 20 2011, 05:15 PM) they tried to hire some higher management ppl from toyota and perodua la. since june 2011. so, hopefully they will be better the lousy service is due to.....well you know, the industry is very competitve, and perodua giving 8 months bonus, so they can change job anytime, the turn over very high. foreman tends to open their own store make money d should invest in service centres loh, put la class abit, like Honda... not paying the higher management more... they make money bcoz of good cars from KIA, not management decisions from NAZA KIA.... Hyundai SDAC also another sohai company, make money d, fill pocket dulu.. customers can go fly kite or play kuku |
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oh, i mean, the turnover rate of good after sales ppl are very high.
so you will always see jokers around. and if i'm not mistaken, naza is not paying good money, thus you see a lot of jokers there come on, who wanna work for naza? go work for honda la, perodua la. toyota la. |
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 20 2011, 05:45 PM) oh, i mean, the turnover rate of good after sales ppl are very high. yalo... and not just workers... ur inventory also... manage properly la dumfaggots....so you will always see jokers around. and if i'm not mistaken, naza is not paying good money, thus you see a lot of jokers there come on, who wanna work for naza? go work for honda la, perodua la. toyota la. |
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Dec 20 2011, 07:07 PM
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I would put my money on this car solely for the Infinity sound system already
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145k, it will fail. Only those who wants to be diff, and think that this is a better car will buy.
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Dec 20 2011, 07:09 PM
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i think they trying to make it as a car.
at rm125k, hey i cannot afford an camry/accord, so i buy this car. at rm145k, hey, its same price as camry/accord, but i have better taste, so i buy this car. |
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 20 2011, 07:07 PM) I would put my money on this car solely for the Infinity sound system already unfair unfair...k5 give infinity speaker while sportage lauya speakereventhough got 6 inside...SQ like 60k vehicle...lolz This post has been edited by leds: Dec 20 2011, 08:04 PM |
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QUOTE(ahsam1212 @ Dec 20 2011, 07:08 PM) 145k, it will fail. Only those who wants to be diff, and think that this is a better car will buy. In all fairness, if they had priced it at 120k without the following:1) Self-levelling bi-xenon headlamps 2) DRL 3) Infinity ICE 4) Panoramic 3-piece sunroof 5) Leather seats 6) High Performance Dampers 7) USB/Bluetooth 8) Autocruise 9) 6 airbags 10) 18" wheels 11) Keyless entry 12) Push start I won't even think about it. It's just like buying a bone stock Camry 2.0E. Gaya ada, tapi lain suma tadaa.... VW charges RM5k++ just for Item (1) and a lousy iPod/media cable and yet ppl pay for it. Think about it bruthas and sistas... |
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Dec 21 2011, 11:48 AM
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i think a lot of ppl here are looking for cheap japanese alternative.
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Dec 21 2011, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 21 2011, 11:48 AM) i think a lot of ppl here are looking for cheap japanese alternative. Likeand a lot disappointed because there aren't any cheaper alternatives out there. |
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 21 2011, 04:48 AM) i think a lot of ppl here are looking for cheap japanese alternative. I think if they cut 3/4 off the spec list, or minimum match 1 to 1 to jap but price it 10k cheaper, it will be next best thing invented since sliced bread.and a lot disappointed because there aren't any cheaper alternatives out there. |
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Dec 21 2011, 02:21 PM
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thats why. they now giving 1 to 1 price to jap, and give 200% specs. and ppl dont like. haha |
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 21 2011, 02:21 PM) thats why.they now giving 1 to 1 price to jap, and give 200% specs. and ppl dont like. haha Any price indications already btw? |
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If its price at the same range as the Camry or the Accord. Then go for the Optima with more spec, with some of the spec you cant even get with Toyota & Honda. And look at the design of it I can have sex with it all day long. LOL
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Dec 22 2011, 11:35 PM
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another rumours from forumer said the actual price shoud be rm148,888.00...now getting expensive or what??exepnsive then sonata HS
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QUOTE(leds @ Dec 22 2011, 11:35 PM) another rumours from forumer said the actual price shoud be rm148,888.00...now getting expensive or what??exepnsive then sonata HS wow tatz insane man...no wonder so few ppl wan to pre-book 1st...even though so many features and good designs but majority still will compare against T & H coz wat they care most is resale resale resale...they will say like oh camry/accord 150k+ with adequate amount of features...less than rm100 difference in terms of monthly repayment why not take camry/accord lolz This post has been edited by yamasce: Dec 22 2011, 11:55 PM |
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QUOTE(leds @ Dec 22 2011, 04:35 PM) another rumours from forumer said the actual price shoud be rm148,888.00...now getting expensive or what??exepnsive then sonata HS That's nothing for the standard features they are giving |
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 23 2011, 12:37 AM) That's nothing for the standard features they are giving so u agree with tat pricing???anyway not tat they r giving another option other than the premium specs...it's either take it or leave it...but still i hope max is 145k la...149k is too much liao |
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QUOTE(yamasce @ Dec 22 2011, 05:50 PM) so u agree with tat pricing???anyway not tat they r giving another option other than the premium specs...it's either take it or leave it...but still i hope max is 145k la...149k is too much liao definately, it's a bargain compared to anything in the same class for the same bracket.It's a lot of car for the money. |
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Dec 23 2011, 08:26 AM
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i remember it was suppose to price not more than 140K as reported in NTV 7 quite a while ago. Probably 138,888
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Dec 23 2011, 08:26 AM) i remember it was suppose to price not more than 140K as reported in NTV 7 quite a while ago. Probably 138,888 same with sportage???no way...with abit more features than sportage and not forgetting the infinity 8-speakers + subwoofer package i doubt they will price it below 140k...probably around 145k liao...if u compare features from the leaked brochure with outside of malaysia optima 2.4L premium specs u'll find that they r similar except they dun offer 2 mufflers duh...onli thing now they dump in all 2.4L premium specs on 2.0L variant for malaysian optima...juz my 2centsThis post has been edited by yamasce: Dec 23 2011, 04:38 PM |
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QUOTE(yamasce @ Dec 23 2011, 04:19 PM) same with sportage???no way...with abit more features than sportage and not forgetting the infinity 8-speakers + subwoofer package i doubt they will price it below 140k...probably around 145k liao...if u compare features from the leaked brochure with outside of malaysia optima 2.4L premium specs u'll find that they r similar except they dun offer 2 mufflers duh...onli thing now they dump in all 2.4L premium specs on 2.0L variant for malaysian optima...juz my 2cents Juz wanna share wif u tt the tax structure of SUVs in MY is always higher than sedans. Its oso wishful thinking tt it b priced the same as the sportage, dearer is more likely. Hopefully it is slightly lower to giv all the Jap brands a good run 4 their money. Gettin fed up of paying high prices for a badge n worse part it s not as reliable as b4. I experienced 2 recalls wif my fd civic.Added on December 23, 2011, 11:05 pmBased on the pics n info i gathered, looks like our MY version is a near complete sports package version. Doesnt get any better than this. Unfortunately our fuel quality here is not up 2 euro 4 stds or else will b gettin the gdi engines. 200bhp 2.4 NA or the 278bhp 2.0 Turbo. Nice! This post has been edited by SA6YEuro: Dec 23 2011, 11:05 PM |
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just called the SA, he said launching on 27th Dec. will be at PJ (next to federal highway, near VW)
only 1 spec, 2.0l = rm143++k |
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QUOTE(small-jeff @ Dec 24 2011, 12:43 PM) just called the SA, he said launching on 27th Dec. will be at PJ (next to federal highway, near VW) Aiya this already announced in newspapers last week la.only 1 spec, 2.0l = rm143++k |
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Dec 24 2011, 03:03 PM
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Official price...rm143,888 OTR...
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Dec 24 2011, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE(forter @ Dec 24 2011, 03:03 PM) Official price...rm143,888 OTR... looks like it....http://www.mudah.my/New+Kia+Optima+2+0-13012025.htm |
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Dec 24 2011, 06:23 PM) Looks like an acceptable price for the goodies we are getting. I'm in dilemma of which colour to go for once launched.Snow white pearl or Bright Silver. Most probably have to see both with my own eyes to confirm which one is better. What about everyone else, what colour would you choose ? |
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QUOTE(DAVE008 @ Dec 24 2011, 07:31 PM) Looks like an acceptable price for the goodies we are getting. I'm in dilemma of which colour to go for once launched. Snow white pearl or Bright Silver. Most probably have to see both with my own eyes to confirm which one is better. What about everyone else, what colour would you choose ?  almost wanna book, now thinking twice...... can get accord 2.0 HS with this already........... |
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QUOTE(saujana @ Dec 24 2011, 01:08 PM) almost wanna book, now thinking twice...... can get accord 2.0 HS with this already........... |
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QUOTE(saujana @ Dec 24 2011, 01:08 PM) almost wanna book, now thinking twice...... can get accord 2.0 HS with this already........... |
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+1 for the design
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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Dec 24 2011, 09:17 PM) You get more gadgets with the KIA. You need to compare the spec, you dont even get the ESP/VSA as standard with the Accord. What you get for the same price. I prefer the Optima design. The Accord look a bit like an old man car. Yeah Bro you are absolutely spot on. Accord is already a few years model running on Malaysia roads with much less features. This optima is a real looker with awesome tech features. |
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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Dec 24 2011, 09:17 PM) You get more gadgets with the KIA. You need to compare the spec, you dont even get the ESP/VSA as standard with the Accord. What you get for the same price. I prefer the Optima design. The Accord look a bit like an old man car. Correct, but the main thing in the mind of many Malaysians is 2nd hand value. So they will fucuk you no free on all those gadgets and etc.So it is hard to get all people to change to korean car This post has been edited by kcchong2000: Dec 24 2011, 11:41 PM |
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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Dec 24 2011, 11:40 PM) Correct, but the main thing in the mind of many Malaysians is 2nd hand value. So they will fucuk you no free on all those gadgets and etc. And also the image. So it is hard to get all people to change to korean car That guy drives a Honda. That guy drives a Kia. If you spend 140k, do u wanna explain to you fren everytime when they sit in your new Kia, why you dun wAnna buy a camry or a accord or crv? The reason to spend 140k is to look good. Ppl always thought second hand value and reliability, image is important too. You wanna look cool too . This post has been edited by turbocharged: Dec 25 2011, 01:00 AM |
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 25 2011, 12:59 AM) And also the image. Anytime my frens sit in my new Optima, they won't need to ask why I chose this instead of an Accord or Camry lol...That guy drives a Honda. That guy drives a Kia. If you spend 140k, do u wanna explain to you fren everytime when they sit in your new Kia, why you dun wAnna buy a camry or a accord or crv? The reason to spend 140k is to look good. Ppl always thought second hand value and reliability, image is important too. You wanna look cool too . |
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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Dec 24 2011, 09:17 PM) You get more gadgets with the KIA. You need to compare the spec, you dont even get the ESP/VSA as standard with the Accord. What you get for the same price. I prefer the Optima design. The Accord look a bit like an old man car. Dont forget that the Optima is a new generation car. Dont compare that with a 2006 model Camry or Accord. Wait for the new Camry to be launched in Malaysia and see the specs. Ppl who go for Camry's arent interested in USB ports and other small gadgets. If u wanna talk about specs then compare with the Peugeot 508 which costs approx RM170K. Now thats a car which has got really impressive specs which even beats the shit out of the new Passat & Mondeo. May not have the best gearbox or engine but its still worth its while. Let me list down some specs of the 508 for your reading pleasure: 1) 6 speed Tiptronic auto adaptive gearbox with Sports & Manual mode 2) 1.6L Twin Scroll High Pressure Turbo (THP) Prince engine with 156Hp, 240Nm 3) Latest generation Electronic Stability Program (ESP) 4) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS) 5) Electronic Brake Force Distribution (EBD) 6) Intelligent Traction Control System (ITCS) 7) Emergency Brake Assist (EBA) 8) Anti Skid Regulation (ASR) 9) 6 airbags 10) Intelligent Airbag System (separate impact deployment and secondary impact protection) 11) Automatic Electric Parking Brake 12) 4 individual zone auto air-conditioning (separate temp controls for both rear passengers) 13) Colour Heads – Up Display (HUD) 14) Auto Adaptive High Beam System (camera activated) 15) Directional bi – Xenon headlamps with washers & auto levelling system 16) Rain sensing auto wipers 17) Paddle Shifters on Steering Column 18) 10 speaker JBL sound system with 500W surround sound amplifier 19) Arkamsys Audio Processing System (creates natural central acoustic ambience plus has Favour Listening) 20) Intelligent keyless entry with finger sensor and push start button 21) 8 way electric power seats with lumbar support for driver & front passenger 22) 7” HD multi function colour screen 23) 10 front & rear parking sensors with visual display 24) Available Space Management system (ASM) (for parallel parking) 25) Speed sensing electro hydraulic power steering 26) Premium leather |
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143k is crazy for this kia. I know its kitted max,but by the 2nd year u already lost loads of money. And besides, korean cars never drive as well as japs. They might hv all the bells n whistles but when it come to performance, they still suck at it.
And i dont see this car selling well in msia. Use the sonata as a benchmark. Hardly see any of them on the road. Ppl who buy this car either just want to look different or just got conned by the good looks. For that kinda money, its vw golf tsi anytime man, or a honda civic 2.0 |
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Dec 25 2011, 10:00 AM) 143k is crazy for this kia. I know its kitted max,but by the 2nd year u already lost loads of money. And besides, korean cars never drive as well as japs. They might hv all the bells n whistles but when it come to performance, they still suck at it. jap cars are the dissapointing one nowaday... please check with hyundai dealers, low number of sonata on the road is it bcos of low sale or long waiting list.... dont compare with golf... more expensive and smaller cabin room...And i dont see this car selling well in msia. Use the sonata as a benchmark. Hardly see any of them on the road. Ppl who buy this car either just want to look different or just got conned by the good looks. For that kinda money, its vw golf tsi anytime man, or a honda civic 2.0 just look at forte, i have never seen so many kia on the road... given its just launch recently, its already a remarkable acheivement... btw, only msian has the stupid mentality on residual value for korean cars... hyundai get best residual award in US.. http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2011/11...econd-year.html |
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Dec 25 2011, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 25 2011, 04:27 AM) Dont forget that the Optima is a new generation car. Dont compare that with a 2006 model Camry or Accord. Wait for the new Camry to be launched in Malaysia and see the specs. Ppl who go for Camry's arent interested in USB ports and other small gadgets. yup agree with you for the pug 508..really impressive this ride...If u wanna talk about specs then compare with the Peugeot 508 which costs approx RM170K. Now thats a car which has got really impressive specs which even beats the shit out of the new Passat & Mondeo. May not have the best gearbox or engine but its still worth its while. Let me list down some specs of the 508 for your reading pleasure: 1) 6 speed Tiptronic auto adaptive gearbox with Sports & Manual mode 2) 1.6L Twin Scroll High Pressure Turbo (THP) Prince engine with 156Hp, 240Nm 3) Latest generation Electronic Stability Program (ESP) 4) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS) 5) Electronic Brake Force Distribution (EBD) 6) Intelligent Traction Control System (ITCS) 7) Emergency Brake Assist (EBA) 8) Anti Skid Regulation (ASR) 9) 6 airbags 10) Intelligent Airbag System (separate impact deployment and secondary impact protection) 11) Automatic Electric Parking Brake 12) 4 individual zone auto air-conditioning (separate temp controls for both rear passengers) 13) Colour Heads – Up Display (HUD) 14) Auto Adaptive High Beam System (camera activated) 15) Directional bi – Xenon headlamps with washers & auto levelling system 16) Rain sensing auto wipers 17) Paddle Shifters on Steering Column 18) 10 speaker JBL sound system with 500W surround sound amplifier 19) Arkamsys Audio Processing System (creates natural central acoustic ambience plus has Favour Listening) 20) Intelligent keyless entry with finger sensor and push start button 21) 8 way electric power seats with lumbar support for driver & front passenger 22) 7” HD multi function colour screen 23) 10 front & rear parking sensors with visual display 24) Available Space Management system (ASM) (for parallel parking) 25) Speed sensing electro hydraulic power steering 26) Premium leather however its rm170k vs the k5 rm144... still got a gap there.. if looking for the current competitor available...k5 all the way Next year will be another story...new competitor coming |
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Dec 25 2011, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 25 2011, 01:42 AM) Anytime my frens sit in my new Optima, they won't need to ask why I chose this instead of an Accord or Camry lol... Good one bro |
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Dec 25 2011, 09:18 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 24 2011, 09:27 PM) Dont forget that the Optima is a new generation car. Dont compare that with a 2006 model Camry or Accord. Wait for the new Camry to be launched in Malaysia and see the specs. Ppl who go for Camry's arent interested in USB ports and other small gadgets. RM170k for a PSA car it is really worth it? Try to do more research on PSA reliability. Dont touch PSA car. They only interested selling you parts not the car you bought.If u wanna talk about specs then compare with the Peugeot 508 which costs approx RM170K. Now thats a car which has got really impressive specs which even beats the shit out of the new Passat & Mondeo. May not have the best gearbox or engine but its still worth its while. Let me list down some specs of the 508 for your reading pleasure: 1) 6 speed Tiptronic auto adaptive gearbox with Sports & Manual mode 2) 1.6L Twin Scroll High Pressure Turbo (THP) Prince engine with 156Hp, 240Nm 3) Latest generation Electronic Stability Program (ESP) 4) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS) 5) Electronic Brake Force Distribution (EBD) 6) Intelligent Traction Control System (ITCS) 7) Emergency Brake Assist (EBA) 8) Anti Skid Regulation (ASR) 9) 6 airbags 10) Intelligent Airbag System (separate impact deployment and secondary impact protection) 11) Automatic Electric Parking Brake 12) 4 individual zone auto air-conditioning (separate temp controls for both rear passengers) 13) Colour Heads – Up Display (HUD) 14) Auto Adaptive High Beam System (camera activated) 15) Directional bi – Xenon headlamps with washers & auto levelling system 16) Rain sensing auto wipers 17) Paddle Shifters on Steering Column 18) 10 speaker JBL sound system with 500W surround sound amplifier 19) Arkamsys Audio Processing System (creates natural central acoustic ambience plus has Favour Listening) 20) Intelligent keyless entry with finger sensor and push start button 21) 8 way electric power seats with lumbar support for driver & front passenger 22) 7” HD multi function colour screen 23) 10 front & rear parking sensors with visual display 24) Available Space Management system (ASM) (for parallel parking) 25) Speed sensing electro hydraulic power steering 26) Premium leather |
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Dec 25 2011, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 25 2011, 01:42 AM) Anytime my frens sit in my new Optima, they won't need to ask why I chose this instead of an Accord or Camry lol... you got the car already? new k5? |
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Dec 25 2011, 09:29 PM
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Its depend on the local market & the consumer demand. Toyota & Honda build up their brand name in Malaysia long before Korean set they foot in there. If the local consumer dont change their silly old thinking of resale value & dont mind paying for a metal box with 4 wheels with a shiny Toyota or Honda badge. Open your mind people this is 21st century. I was in Malaysia a 3 months ago, the average Camry or Accord owners are all over 50's thats said it all didnt it.
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Dec 25 2011, 11:52 PM
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Saw 2 trailers delivering 8 Kia Optima with half of it white color at Melaka just now around 11.30pm. Such a beauty for white...
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Dec 26 2011, 01:08 AM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 25 2011, 09:26 PM) you got the car already? new k5? Don't be silly. It's not even launched yet. I was merely replying to the other dude who said he would have to explain to his friends everytime they got into his Kia... capiche? |
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Dec 26 2011, 02:59 AM
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kia improved alot.. Even the forte 2.0, good power, handling, steady, silent, sound systems better and the interior feels tougher than the car i previously owned. I used to drive Altis 2009 model, it was ok but the interior was a bit unclelish... but was looking at the mentality of buying "toyota", so i bought it anyway...
one more thing should consider also, most car jackers still likes toyota and honda cars... so watch out... mine kena stolen so thats why i choose kia forte... somehow turn out to be a good car.... I think kia/hyundai user is getting more and more.. .so eventually things will change... young executive are getting more adventures in choosing car compare to the older batches.... market is there... thumbs up to optima 2012.. definitely caught my attention. |
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Dec 26 2011, 01:33 PM
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hey guys, to those who couldn't wait to see the car, you can proceed to Naza at Plaza TTDI to have a look at the kia optima. There's only a show unit and no test drive is available even for tmrw which is the launching day.
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Dec 26 2011, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE(choon hon @ Dec 26 2011, 01:33 PM) hey guys, to those who couldn't wait to see the car, you can proceed to Naza at Plaza TTDI to have a look at the kia optima. There's only a show unit and no test drive is available even for tmrw which is the launching day. Go to Puchong also can, just came back from there.......one small disappointment, no GPS........ engine was very quiet, much quieter than sonata!!!! |
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Dec 26 2011, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE(jeromeccm @ Dec 26 2011, 02:59 AM) kia improved alot.. Even the forte 2.0, good power, handling, steady, silent, sound systems better and the interior feels tougher than the car i previously owned. I used to drive Altis 2009 model, it was ok but the interior was a bit unclelish... but was looking at the mentality of buying "toyota", so i bought it anyway... +1one more thing should consider also, most car jackers still likes toyota and honda cars... so watch out... mine kena stolen so thats why i choose kia forte... somehow turn out to be a good car.... I think kia/hyundai user is getting more and more.. .so eventually things will change... young executive are getting more adventures in choosing car compare to the older batches.... market is there... thumbs up to optima 2012.. definitely caught my attention. |
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Dec 26 2011, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE(saujana @ Dec 26 2011, 03:44 PM) Go to Puchong also can, just came back from there....... how about the sound system? did anyone tests out the sound system yet?one small disappointment, no GPS........ engine was very quiet, much quieter than sonata!!!! |
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Dec 26 2011, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 25 2011, 01:42 AM) Anytime my frens sit in my new Optima, they won't need to ask why I chose this instead of an Accord or Camry lol... thats what frens are for.  |
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Dec 26 2011, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE(choon hon @ Dec 26 2011, 01:33 PM) hey guys, to those who couldn't wait to see the car, you can proceed to Naza at Plaza TTDI to have a look at the kia optima. There's only a show unit and no test drive is available even for tmrw which is the launching day. Yeah Bro. Thanks for the heads up. Just came back from there, the car in real life is a beauty to behold. The show unit is white in colour. Absolutely breathtakingly gorgeous. My only gripe is its sloping head-roof doesn't leave much space at all for people like 6f & above. Head is touching the roof already. Only 3 colours available for the 1st Batch. White, Silver & Platinum. After these 100 units are snapped off, the waiting period is expected to be around 4 months & above according to SA. This post has been edited by DAVE008: Dec 26 2011, 05:15 PM |
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Dec 26 2011, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(lifeless_creature @ Dec 26 2011, 04:42 PM) how about the sound system? did anyone tests out the sound system yet? the infinity system is , unless you are those sound system "maniac" that install huge speaker at the boot, then the sound system is good enough. The bass was amazing.... |
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Dec 27 2011, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Dec 25 2011, 09:29 PM) Its depend on the local market & the consumer demand. Toyota & Honda build up their brand name in Malaysia long before Korean set they foot in there. If the local consumer dont change their silly old thinking of resale value & dont mind paying for a metal box with 4 wheels with a shiny Toyota or Honda badge. Open your mind people this is 21st century. I was in Malaysia a 3 months ago, the average Camry or Accord owners are all over 50's thats said it all didnt it. I can't agree with you more. The Koreans ate out to take on the world now, though Jap cars are here earlier and built a good name for itself, I can see that this won't last long. Just look at the electronic industry, most home in Malaysia used to have a good Japanese brand 10 years ago. Well, take a look at the most popular electronic brands now, they are all Korean! Samsung, LG,...just to name a few...! The Koreans are definitely overtaking the Japs! |
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Dec 27 2011, 01:10 AM
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QUOTE(calebc @ Dec 27 2011, 12:53 AM) I can't agree with you more. The Koreans ate out to take on the world now, though Jap cars are here earlier and built a good name for itself, I can see that this won't last long. Just look at the electronic industry, most home in Malaysia used to have a good Japanese brand 10 years ago. Well, take a look at the most popular electronic brands now, they are all Korean! Samsung, LG,...just to name a few...! The Koreans are definitely overtaking the Japs! Consumers have short memories. You can be the top brand now, but give your competitors wiggle room for a good year or so and you'd have lost a lot of market share. |
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Dec 27 2011, 04:48 AM
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QUOTE(calebc @ Dec 27 2011, 12:53 AM) I can't agree with you more. The Koreans ate out to take on the world now, though Jap cars are here earlier and built a good name for itself, I can see that this won't last long. Just look at the electronic industry, most home in Malaysia used to have a good Japanese brand 10 years ago. Well, take a look at the most popular electronic brands now, they are all Korean! Samsung, LG,...just to name a few...! The Koreans are definitely overtaking the Japs! the korean can overtake even US brand -> Apple iPhone... Samsung rocks.. just sooner or later... |
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Dec 27 2011, 09:49 AM
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Morning Ladies and Gentlements saw The K5 parking into KIA showroom last night so decided to have a sneak shot at it .. sorry for bad quality taken with phone camera..
 Uploaded with ImageShack.us Such a sexy beautiful car ... |
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Dec 27 2011, 10:06 AM
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good car, nice design, full of features, alas can't afford with the asking price :(
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Dec 27 2011, 10:12 AM
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QUOTE(Peekab0o @ Dec 27 2011, 09:49 AM) Morning Ladies and Gentlements saw The K5 parking into KIA showroom last night so decided to have a sneak shot at it .. sorry for bad quality taken with phone camera.. Thanks for the effort Uploaded with ImageShack.us Such a sexy beautiful car ... |
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Dec 27 2011, 10:39 AM
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anyone went or will b going to the grand launching in PJ today?appreciate if can post some pictures and details here
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Dec 27 2011, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE(yamasce @ Dec 27 2011, 10:39 AM) anyone went or will b going to the grand launching in PJ today?appreciate if can post some pictures and details here What time does the grand launching start? |
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Dec 27 2011, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE(calebc @ Dec 27 2011, 11:22 AM) What time does the grand launching start? lol i duno...can't go to see my dream car |
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Dec 27 2011, 12:55 PM
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What a DELAYED after KLIMS 2010
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Dec 27 2011, 12:59 PM
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can't wait for the price... plz update here
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Dec 27 2011, 01:05 PM
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Saw one in penang this morning.. with its logo tapped.. maybe heading towards showroom..
Gorgeous car.. |
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Dec 27 2011, 01:47 PM
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Just went and saw the car at NAZA Kia Ipoh. Price is MYR143,888, which is ridiculous. Hyundai & Kia are siblings, and Kia is supposed to be always priced cheaper since it's the value brand, while Hyundai is the more premium brand. Here in Malaysia, it's the other way round.
Maintainance packages are also more pricey compared to Hyundai. Eventhough today is the launching, there's no official brochure, no proper price list (just a fax), no test drive unit. Such a dissapointing launch for the K5. Warranty is 5 years, but I'd rather get a Hyundai for this crazy price. The Infinity Sound System is 5 thumbs up though. |
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Dec 27 2011, 01:50 PM
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i personally think 144k still pricy if compare to sportage since SUV price structure is alwiz higher than sedan...not only tat...features and engine similar too!!optima got extra eco function and paddle shifter but tatz all...if they include in touch screen navi can jusitfy the high price la...now apa navi pun takda
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Dec 27 2011, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(DSV4600 @ Dec 27 2011, 01:47 PM) Just went and saw the car at NAZA Kia Ipoh. Price is MYR143,888, which is ridiculous. Hyundai & Kia are siblings, and Kia is supposed to be always priced cheaper since it's the value brand, while Hyundai is the more premium brand. Here in Malaysia, it's the other way round. At that price the upcoming Camry will easily trash it in sale numbers. The Optima's good looks wont save it here. Sonata learnt it the hard way and now Kia is walking down the same road. Crap! Maintainance packages are also more pricey compared to Hyundai. Eventhough today is the launching, there's no official brochure, no proper price list (just a fax), no test drive unit. Such a dissapointing launch for the K5. Warranty is 5 years, but I'd rather get a Hyundai for this crazy price. The Infinity Sound System is 5 thumbs up though.  |
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Dec 27 2011, 02:44 PM
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seems like naza is getting greedier for the rm144k price-tag
even optima have many *small* unique features but i will not go for this car for this price-tag if they bring in 2.4l but with rm144k; then we are talking. surely not for rm144k on 2.0l only quite upset with the pricing... |
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Dec 27 2011, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE(lelynx @ Dec 27 2011, 02:44 PM) seems like naza is getting greedier for the rm144k price-tag coz now naza is owned by u-know-who...the son of the king of songlaperseven optima have many *small* unique features but i will not go for this car for this price-tag if they bring in 2.4l but with rm144k; then we are talking. surely not for rm144k on 2.0l only quite upset with the pricing... |
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Dec 27 2011, 02:50 PM
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The Kia optima is quite huge body size and only come with 2.0cc specs, I don't think the performance to be very smooth for driving.
In S'pore I can saw them drive the car like very huge size and looks like more huge than Camry or enqual like Lexus size. |
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Dec 27 2011, 02:51 PM
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it is trying to create a feeling/image.
i'm buying kia not because i cannot afford a camry. it is in fact same price/more expensive than camry. which is very positive, if you ask me. |
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Dec 27 2011, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 27 2011, 02:51 PM) it is trying to create a feeling/image. positive for them not for us lolz...alwiz been negative for us since the stupid king of songlapers gave birth to potong...i'm buying kia not because i cannot afford a camry. it is in fact same price/more expensive than camry. which is very positive, if you ask me. |
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Dec 27 2011, 02:59 PM
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well for those who wants this sexy optima and with deeper pockets, can buy, korean cars' pricing strategy is changing...
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Dec 27 2011, 03:03 PM
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at least when ppl ask you, why you buy kia?
because i can afford to buy a kia(which is on par with jap price) . if you buy proton, ppl know, its economical |
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Dec 27 2011, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 27 2011, 01:52 PM) At that price the upcoming Camry will easily trash it in sale numbers. The Optima's good looks wont save it here. Sonata learnt it the hard way and now Kia is walking down the same road. Crap! Just returned after seeing the car at Kia TTDI. I must say that the design is really impressive. Very sporty and has that luxurious look. The rear legroom is very generous and 3 adults can easily sit comfortably at the back. But the dashboard seems a generation behind unlike the futuristic ones found on the Sonata and Elantra. Most disappointing is the pricing which is too high for a 2.0L Korean make despite its gadgets. Most of the ppl at the showroom also said the same. Plus the car doesnt have any Navigation which should have been pretty standard for cars of this category. No test drive unit available till about April/May 2012. But i think this car would be hard pressed to keep up with other similar makes. Its 165Hp and 198Nm loses out to the Peugeot 508's 156Hp and 240Nm torque. 0-100kmph acceleration for the Optima is 10.9 secs compared to 9.2 secs on the 508. Plus im not sure of Kia has got the suspension setup to deal with the 18 inch rims. Ride comfort would surely suffer. The Peugeot 508 is finding that a real bother now. Sadly, i think Naza screwed up this one with the pricing. After doing a great job with the Forte, they got too greedy and thought they could nail Malaysians with the 144K price tag. Soon they'll know that Malaysians aint dumb and gadgets/good looks alone wont get them the sale numbers. Really baffles me how they could price the Optima so close to the Sonata when everybody knows that the Sonata isnt doing as well as anticipated. Many ppl would prefer to wait for the new Camry for that price range. Im sure Toyota will improve the specs on the upcoming Camry. |
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Dec 27 2011, 04:16 PM
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probably due to supply shortage... they cant keep up with demand, so no point sell cheap if cant deliver..
better they reap profit first.... remember naza has a track record of screwing up customers by slashing price later... might happen when they can keep up with the demand later... |
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Dec 27 2011, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 27 2011, 04:04 PM) Just returned after seeing the car at Kia TTDI. I must say that the design is really impressive. Very sporty and has that luxurious look. The rear legroom is very generous and 3 adults can easily sit comfortably at the back. But the dashboard seems a generation behind unlike the futuristic ones found on the Sonata and Elantra. yes totally agree with u...if they put in navi mayb 144k consider ok but on high side...without the navi 144k is overkill...when will new camry be launched?Most disappointing is the pricing which is too high for a 2.0L Korean make despite its gadgets. Most of the ppl at the showroom also said the same. Plus the car doesnt have any Navigation which should have been pretty standard for cars of this category. No test drive unit available till about April/May 2012. But i think this car would be hard pressed to keep up with other similar makes. Its 165Hp and 198Nm loses out to the Peugeot 508's 156Hp and 240Nm torque. 0-100kmph acceleration for the Optima is 10.9 secs compared to 9.2 secs on the 508. Plus im not sure of Kia has got the suspension setup to deal with the 18 inch rims. Ride comfort would surely suffer. The Peugeot 508 is finding that a real bother now. Sadly, i think Naza screwed up this one with the pricing. After doing a great job with the Forte, they got too greedy and thought they could nail Malaysians with the 144K price tag. Soon they'll know that Malaysians aint dumb and gadgets/good looks alone wont get them the sale numbers. Really baffles me how they could price the Optima so close to the Sonata when everybody knows that the Sonata isnt doing as well as anticipated. Many ppl would prefer to wait for the new Camry for that price range. Im sure Toyota will improve the specs on the upcoming Camry. |
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Dec 27 2011, 04:23 PM
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Oh dear! Its looks like another beautiful car kill by a local distributor. Malaysian just cant do business with motoring is it?
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Dec 27 2011, 04:28 PM
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may i knw with the price tag 144k , is refer to CKD or CBU model?
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Dec 27 2011, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 27 2011, 04:04 PM) Just returned after seeing the car at Kia TTDI. I must say that the design is really impressive. Very sporty and has that luxurious look. The rear legroom is very generous and 3 adults can easily sit comfortably at the back. But the dashboard seems a generation behind unlike the futuristic ones found on the Sonata and Elantra. 10.9seconds is really slow Most disappointing is the pricing which is too high for a 2.0L Korean make despite its gadgets. Most of the ppl at the showroom also said the same. Plus the car doesnt have any Navigation which should have been pretty standard for cars of this category. No test drive unit available till about April/May 2012. But i think this car would be hard pressed to keep up with other similar makes. Its 165Hp and 198Nm loses out to the Peugeot 508's 156Hp and 240Nm torque. 0-100kmph acceleration for the Optima is 10.9 secs compared to 9.2 secs on the 508. Plus im not sure of Kia has got the suspension setup to deal with the 18 inch rims. Ride comfort would surely suffer. The Peugeot 508 is finding that a real bother now. Sadly, i think Naza screwed up this one with the pricing. After doing a great job with the Forte, they got too greedy and thought they could nail Malaysians with the 144K price tag. Soon they'll know that Malaysians aint dumb and gadgets/good looks alone wont get them the sale numbers. Really baffles me how they could price the Optima so close to the Sonata when everybody knows that the Sonata isnt doing as well as anticipated. Many ppl would prefer to wait for the new Camry for that price range. Im sure Toyota will improve the specs on the upcoming Camry. , the FC surely suffers |
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Dec 27 2011, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE(WieBoy @ Dec 27 2011, 04:28 PM) may i knw with the price tag 144k , is refer to CKD or CBU model? cbu...lol ckd 144k they can close shop liao...QUOTE(Bliz @ Dec 27 2011, 04:35 PM) 10.9seconds is really slow reason is bcoz the car is quite heavy also...bout 1550kg kerb weight...sportage is 1600+...sure no power...if naza still stick with 144 i think i might change to other cars liao la...not worth it , the FC surely suffers |
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Dec 27 2011, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE(yamasce @ Dec 27 2011, 04:17 PM) yes totally agree with u...if they put in navi mayb 144k consider ok but on high side...without the navi 144k is overkill...when will new camry be launched? May 2012 but may be earlier. |
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Dec 27 2011, 04:41 PM
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QUOTE(yamasce @ Dec 27 2011, 04:39 PM) cbu...lol ckd 144k they can close shop liao... Somehow the engines of Korean make are not really up the mark compared to Conti/Jap car reason is bcoz the car is quite heavy also...bout 1550kg kerb weight...sportage is 1600+...sure no power...if naza still stick with 144 i think i might change to other cars liao la...not worth it This post has been edited by Bliz: Dec 27 2011, 04:47 PM |
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Dec 27 2011, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 27 2011, 04:04 PM) Just returned after seeing the car at Kia TTDI. I must say that the design is really impressive. Very sporty and has that luxurious look. The rear legroom is very generous and 3 adults can easily sit comfortably at the back. But the dashboard seems a generation behind unlike the futuristic ones found on the Sonata and Elantra. Despite its good looks and decent specs, the Sonata only sold 2,740 units from Jan-Nov this year. Compared to 7,355 units of Camry & 4,332 units of Accord sold in that same period. Mind you these are the older Camry's and Accord's. Most disappointing is the pricing which is too high for a 2.0L Korean make despite its gadgets. Most of the ppl at the showroom also said the same. Plus the car doesnt have any Navigation which should have been pretty standard for cars of this category. No test drive unit available till about April/May 2012. But i think this car would be hard pressed to keep up with other similar makes. Its 165Hp and 198Nm loses out to the Peugeot 508's 156Hp and 240Nm torque. 0-100kmph acceleration for the Optima is 10.9 secs compared to 9.2 secs on the 508. Plus im not sure of Kia has got the suspension setup to deal with the 18 inch rims. Ride comfort would surely suffer. The Peugeot 508 is finding that a real bother now. Sadly, i think Naza screwed up this one with the pricing. After doing a great job with the Forte, they got too greedy and thought they could nail Malaysians with the 144K price tag. Soon they'll know that Malaysians aint dumb and gadgets/good looks alone wont get them the sale numbers. Really baffles me how they could price the Optima so close to the Sonata when everybody knows that the Sonata isnt doing as well as anticipated. Many ppl would prefer to wait for the new Camry for that price range. Im sure Toyota will improve the specs on the upcoming Camry. How then can Naza hope to break ground with the Optima priced at RM 143,888???? A really stupid move by Naza! Many ppl saying the same on Naza's FB page as well. Lets hammer them hard and hopefully they will throw in some goodies to balance up the price. If not, i see an early demise for the Optima. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Dec 27 2011, 04:50 PM |
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Dec 27 2011, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 27 2011, 04:48 PM) Despite its good looks and decent specs, the Sonata only sold 2,740 units from Jan-Nov this year. Compared to 7,355 units of Camry & 4,332 units of Accord sold in that same period. Mind you these are the older Camry's & Accord's. What a huge price different between the optima and forte.. +- 50k. The other brands didn't go that far between each segment. Naza2..haihh.. How then can Naza hope to break ground with the Optima priced at RM 143,888???? A really stupid move by Naza! Many ppl saying the same on Naza's FB page as well. Lets hammer them hard and hopefully they will throw in some goodies to balance up the price. If not, i see an early demise for the Optima. This post has been edited by tressele: Dec 27 2011, 04:53 PM |
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Dec 27 2011, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 27 2011, 04:48 PM) Despite its good looks and decent specs, the Sonata only sold 2,740 units from Jan-Nov this year. Compared to 7,355 units of Camry & 4,332 units of Accord sold in that same period. Mind you these are the older Camry's and Accord's. yaya agree...i have started to bash since before its launch lolz... How then can Naza hope to break ground with the Optima priced at RM 143,888???? A really stupid move by Naza! Many ppl saying the same on Naza's FB page as well. Lets hammer them hard and hopefully they will throw in some goodies to balance up the price. If not, i see an early demise for the Optima. |
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Dec 27 2011, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 27 2011, 04:48 PM) Despite its good looks and decent specs, the Sonata only sold 2,740 units from Jan-Nov this year. Compared to 7,355 units of Camry & 4,332 units of Accord sold in that same period. Mind you these are the older Camry's and Accord's. er, actually, 2740 vs camry 7355 and 4332 accord is quite a good number.How then can Naza hope to break ground with the Optima priced at RM 143,888???? A really stupid move by Naza! Many ppl saying the same on Naza's FB page as well. Lets hammer them hard and hopefully they will throw in some goodies to balance up the price. If not, i see an early demise for the Optima. you should see the previous gen of sonata, which is very very rare. |
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Dec 27 2011, 05:00 PM
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i can smell the butthurt-ness of Accord/camry owners..... LOL
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Dec 27 2011, 06:50 PM
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QUOTE(DSV4600 @ Dec 27 2011, 01:47 PM) Just went and saw the car at NAZA Kia Ipoh. Price is MYR143,888, which is ridiculous. Hyundai & Kia are siblings, and Kia is supposed to be always priced cheaper since it's the value brand, while Hyundai is the more premium brand. Here in Malaysia, it's the other way round. Wah bro, how many thumbs you got la Maintainance packages are also more pricey compared to Hyundai. Eventhough today is the launching, there's no official brochure, no proper price list (just a fax), no test drive unit. Such a dissapointing launch for the K5. Warranty is 5 years, but I'd rather get a Hyundai for this crazy price. The Infinity Sound System is 5 thumbs up though. This post has been edited by gregy: Dec 27 2011, 06:50 PM |
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Dec 27 2011, 06:53 PM
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lol... I was about to say RIP Sonata, but seems like a lot of people aren't pleased with K5's price tag
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Dec 27 2011, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE(Bliz @ Dec 27 2011, 09:41 AM) Somehow the engines of Korean make are not really up the mark compared to Conti/Jap car No they are, we just don't get themFor this they have the GDi 2.4, and turbo 2.0 |
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Dec 27 2011, 06:55 PM
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QUOTE(yamasce @ Dec 27 2011, 04:17 PM) yes totally agree with u...if they put in navi mayb 144k consider ok but on high side...without the navi 144k is overkill...when will new camry be launched? A Navi upgrade at the most will cost RM2k (aftermarket). With or w/out Navi, the price is still a bit on the high side.And no bi-xenons... I didn't know that until I tested it out myself this afternoon. |
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Dec 27 2011, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 27 2011, 06:55 PM) And no bi-xenons... I didn't know that until I tested it out myself this afternoon. What? You mean the K5? I thought catalogue says it has? |
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Dec 27 2011, 07:00 PM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 27 2011, 11:55 AM) A Navi upgrade at the most will cost RM2k (aftermarket). With or w/out Navi, the price is still a bit on the high side. If japanese gave you the same specs at 20k premium would you say it's overkill or justified because it's japanese?And no bi-xenons... I didn't know that until I tested it out myself this afternoon. |
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Dec 27 2011, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 27 2011, 07:00 PM) If japanese gave you the same specs at 20k premium would you say it's overkill or justified because it's japanese? The highest specced Jap D-segment at the moment is the Camry 2.0G at Rm155k OTR. In terms of spec, give or take this K5 is in the ballpark. So between 144k and 155k, the difference in percentage is a mere 7%. So are you saying that a Kia is rightfully only 7% cheaper than the class leader? |
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Dec 27 2011, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 27 2011, 07:00 PM) If japanese gave you the same specs at 20k premium would you say it's overkill or justified because it's japanese? Yeah Bro. Japanese are overrated. Their quality of cars was better few years back, but since they know public has been supporting them, they have been careless with the quality of cars produced as well as image is getting boring by the year.I've already placed the booking at Naza TTDI today. Hope the loan will be approved & i will be enjoying driving my car. |
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Dec 27 2011, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Dec 27 2011, 06:59 PM) What? You mean the K5? I thought catalogue says it has? It has self-leveling directional xenons with washer, but nope, they aren't bi-xenons. Not that big a deal, but considering that they already gave those lights the full treatment, why stinge on a lousy flip shield?That's all I'm sayin'... |
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Dec 27 2011, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 27 2011, 07:14 PM) It has self-leveling directional xenons with washer, but nope, they aren't bi-xenons. Not that big a deal, but considering that they already gave those lights the full treatment, why stinge on a lousy flip shield? Still o_o I am surprised people are complaining about the Optima, considering it's has so much more accessory compared with Sonata...That's all I'm sayin'... |
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Dec 27 2011, 07:23 PM
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Kia optima K5 otr rm143,888 source paultan(facebook)
now i think with this price tag, is car wait for owner, not owner wait for car already.. lol this is ridiculous expensive..same price with camry or accord liao.. |
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Dec 27 2011, 07:44 PM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 27 2011, 12:10 PM) The highest specced Jap D-segment at the moment is the Camry 2.0G at Rm155k OTR. In terms of spec, give or take this K5 is in the ballpark. So between 144k and 155k, the difference in percentage is a mere 7%. So are you saying that a Kia is rightfully only 7% cheaper than the class leader? At the spec level the it's more than 7% cheaper than the 'class leader', for eg. the Inifinity sound system which if the japs offered would be a minimum 10k option, plus the high performance dampers for the suspension which are tremendously good.They give a lot of aftermarket stuffs as standard plus being 7% cheaper. |
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Dec 27 2011, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE(keeting89 @ Dec 27 2011, 07:23 PM) Kia optima K5 otr rm143,888 source paultan(facebook) If just compare car to car, I dont think 143,888 is ridiculously high, but it is on the high side la, would had expected ventilated seat or navi with that price.... now i think with this price tag, is car wait for owner, not owner wait for car already.. lol this is ridiculous expensive..same price with camry or accord liao.. but, if compare whole package, ie spare parts availability, service center quality, then the differences comes in....... Always like korean cars, got a hyundai with me, and with some of the sales man too, as a matter of fact, I change 2 of my other cars to the same agent to handle all insurance, road tax and claims, if any.... but, Hyundai service center? a big NO NO ..... got really fed-up with these ppl already.........Now, Kia? so far heard from forte owner, you need to choose which one to go....... If Kia's service center is good, I guess no one would really complain about the price. Drop in resale value? that is becoz the brand image is not there yet la....... need time to change that |
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Dec 27 2011, 09:06 PM
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One thing i dont understand, is why is the rear speaker located off centre to the left? First time ive seen this in any car.
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Dec 27 2011, 10:44 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 27 2011, 09:06 PM) One thing i dont understand, is why is the rear speaker located off centre to the left? First time ive seen this in any car. woofer |
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Dec 27 2011, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 27 2011, 09:06 PM) One thing i dont understand, is why is the rear speaker located off centre to the left? First time ive seen this in any car. At the boot? I haven't go test yet...how was the Infinity sound system? Saw good feedbacks from forumers... |
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Dec 27 2011, 11:17 PM
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wrong pricing la... 143k for optima? accord 142k only lehh..
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Dec 27 2011, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE(hbong @ Dec 27 2011, 04:17 PM) wrong pricing la... 143k for optima? accord 142k only lehh.. accord same spec level as city, still worth it? |
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Dec 27 2011, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 27 2011, 11:19 PM) accord same spec level as city, still worth it? Accord has the luxury and big car feel... the drive will do the talking.. and 5 yrs down the road accord still rock solid n holds good second hand value.. my 2 cents |
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Dec 27 2011, 11:22 PM
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QUOTE(hbong @ Dec 27 2011, 04:20 PM) Accord has the luxury and big car feel... the drive will do the talking.. and 5 yrs down the road accord still rock solid n holds good second hand value.. my 2 cents The mind create the luxury for Accord, actually is nothing special also.This Kia has a real proper suspension system as reviewed. Auto-leveling HID xenon headlamps LED-daytime running lights Leather interior, a supervision cluster and a multifunction four-spoke steering wheel with paddle shifters and controls for audio, ECO-driving, auto cruise-control. There’s also a six-CD changer audio system with an eight-speaker (not seven, as speculated) Infinity speaker system, replete with Aux, iPod and USB connectivity. dual-zone auto air-conditioning, full-width three-piece panoramic glass sunroof, push-button start/stop, illuminated door scuff plates and USB connectivity, as well as a tailgate-mounted reversing safety camera with interior mirror LCD display monitor. The driver gets an 8-way electronically-controlled seat with an integrated memory seat function, which retains settings for two drivers based on their seating position. In terms of safety, the car comes equipped with six airbags (dual front, front side and full length-curtain) and an electronic stability programme incorporating ABS, EBD, TCS, brake assist and hill-start assist control. It also wears HPD (high performance dampers) as part of its suspension setup Bloody amazing spec list, impossible the japs will match HALF the specs for 10k more money This post has been edited by rcracer: Dec 27 2011, 11:34 PM |
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Dec 28 2011, 01:36 AM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 27 2011, 11:22 PM) The mind create the luxury for Accord, actually is nothing special also. The brochure stats ABS, EBD, CBC, BAS, TCS & HAC. What's CBC & BAS?This Kia has a real proper suspension system as reviewed. Auto-leveling HID xenon headlamps LED-daytime running lights Leather interior, a supervision cluster and a multifunction four-spoke steering wheel with paddle shifters and controls for audio, ECO-driving, auto cruise-control. There’s also a six-CD changer audio system with an eight-speaker (not seven, as speculated) Infinity speaker system, replete with Aux, iPod and USB connectivity. dual-zone auto air-conditioning, full-width three-piece panoramic glass sunroof, push-button start/stop, illuminated door scuff plates and USB connectivity, as well as a tailgate-mounted reversing safety camera with interior mirror LCD display monitor. The driver gets an 8-way electronically-controlled seat with an integrated memory seat function, which retains settings for two drivers based on their seating position. In terms of safety, the car comes equipped with six airbags (dual front, front side and full length-curtain) and an electronic stability programme incorporating ABS, EBD, TCS, brake assist and hill-start assist control. It also wears HPD (high performance dampers) as part of its suspension setup Bloody amazing spec list, impossible the japs will match HALF the specs for 10k more money |
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Dec 28 2011, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 27 2011, 11:22 PM) The mind create the luxury for Accord, actually is nothing special also. frankly speaking, will you really spend RM145k on KIA, even you know with that price you can buy camry or accord..This Kia has a real proper suspension system as reviewed. Auto-leveling HID xenon headlamps LED-daytime running lights Leather interior, a supervision cluster and a multifunction four-spoke steering wheel with paddle shifters and controls for audio, ECO-driving, auto cruise-control. There’s also a six-CD changer audio system with an eight-speaker (not seven, as speculated) Infinity speaker system, replete with Aux, iPod and USB connectivity. dual-zone auto air-conditioning, full-width three-piece panoramic glass sunroof, push-button start/stop, illuminated door scuff plates and USB connectivity, as well as a tailgate-mounted reversing safety camera with interior mirror LCD display monitor. The driver gets an 8-way electronically-controlled seat with an integrated memory seat function, which retains settings for two drivers based on their seating position. In terms of safety, the car comes equipped with six airbags (dual front, front side and full length-curtain) and an electronic stability programme incorporating ABS, EBD, TCS, brake assist and hill-start assist control. It also wears HPD (high performance dampers) as part of its suspension setup Bloody amazing spec list, impossible the japs will match HALF the specs for 10k more money T and H give premium feels because of goodwill, but KIA doesn;t. Pay peanut get peanut in this case for kia, pay premium get peanut.. 2012 mostly likely camry 2012 will come in, the current camry is 5 yr old model, sooner will become 6 yr old model, this is unfair to compare about. But what i know, T and H is stil kicking and solid after 7-8yr, yet kia stil unknown since it's stil new.. Will u actually risk your hard earn money only pressurize you for few years, then gv you headache after that..? forte is good for money, but for optima i don think it is yes.. |
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Dec 28 2011, 01:48 AM
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QUOTE(keeting89 @ Dec 27 2011, 06:43 PM) frankly speaking, will you really spend RM145k on KIA, even you know with that price you can buy camry or accord.. Japs are so full of shit with their interiors with hard plastics, they are dying in europe, NOBODY is buying jap cars. T and H give premium feels because of goodwill, but KIA doesn;t. Pay peanut get peanut in this case for kia, pay premium get peanut.. 2012 mostly likely camry 2012 will come in, the current camry is 5 yr old model, sooner will become 6 yr old model, this is unfair to compare about. But what i know, T and H is stil kicking and solid after 7-8yr, yet kia stil unknown since it's stil new.. Will u actually risk your hard earn money only pressurize you for few years, then gv you headache after that..? forte is good for money, but for optima i don think it is yes.. KIA were the firsts to offer 5 years warranties on their cars, sealed for life gearboxes. Toyota and Honda totally failed in producing a decent diesel engine, while the KIA and Hyundai came up with German beating R diesels. They can give an Infinity audio system, panaromic glass roof. I think it's damn clear, the japs are the ones giving peanuts for premium |
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Dec 28 2011, 02:23 AM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Dec 28 2011, 01:48 AM) Japs are so full of shit with their interiors with hard plastics, they are dying in europe, NOBODY is buying jap cars. Well i must agree although im a Toyota fan for many years. The Japs need a kick up their ass and the Koreans are giving them that. Just look at the disappointing designs coming out of Toyota & Honda these days. The 2012 Honda Civic was voted Most Disappointing car with poor marks for quality while the upcoming Camry is a step back in terms of design. Looks more like a facelift in fact. KIA were the firsts to offer 5 years warranties on their cars, sealed for life gearboxes. Toyota and Honda totally failed in producing a decent diesel engine, while the KIA and Hyundai came up with German beating R diesels. They can give an Infinity audio system, panaromic glass roof. I think it's damn clear, the japs are the ones giving peanuts for premium But im keeping my fingers crossed that the Malaysian Camry due in May 2012 will have much better specs, transmission and engine. |
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Dec 28 2011, 02:26 AM
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Just for your easy reference, ive listed down the specs and features of the Optima:
RM 143,888 (OTR) with 5 year unlimited mileage manufacturer warranty. Specifications: 1) Theta II 2.0L MPI engine with 165HP and 198 Nm torque (Camry 2.0L is 147HP and 190Nm torque) 2) 6 speed automatic Dual CVVT with paddle shifters and Eco mode 3) HID Xenon headlights with Auto Leveling & Static Bending Lights 4) Daytime LED running lights (DRL) 5) Rear LED lights and LED side turn signal lights 6) Auto Light Control System with Escort Lights and washers 7) Electric foldable side mirrors 8) 6 airbags (front, side & curtain airbags) 9) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS) 11) Electronic Brakeforce Distribution System (EBD) 12) Traction Control System (TCS) 13) Hill Assist Control (HAC) 14) Cornering Brake Control (CBC) 15) Brake Assist System (BAS) 16) Rear Parking Assist System with rear camera 17) Speed Sensing Auto door lock 18) Impact Sensing Auto door unlock 19) Auto Cruise Control 20) 18 inch sporty alloy wheels with full disk brakes and full spare alloy wheel 21) MacPherson type suspension with Gas shock absorbers with High Performance Dampers (HPD) with sliding valve 22) Infinity Surround Sound system with 8 speakers & subwoofer 23) 6 in dash CD changer system with Bluetooth, AUX, USB & iPOD connectivity 24) Dual zone auto air con with rear air con vents 25) 8 way power seat (driver) with memory function 26) Push Start ignition with Smart Key 27) 3.5” Color TFT LCD display 28) Premium Leather seats 29) Panoramic Electric Sunroof 30) First Korean car with 5 Star NHTSA rating from America This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Dec 28 2011, 03:41 PM |
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Dec 28 2011, 02:49 AM
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If buying car is all about specs per dollar.... then who would buy German/Italian etc? Everyone will buy Korean/Japs.
Image, 2nd hand value, feelgood factor, perception, etc all play an integral part of the decision making process. Sadly... no matter the specs.. Kia is currently near the bottom of the ladder brand wise. This post has been edited by MeToo: Dec 28 2011, 02:50 AM |
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Dec 28 2011, 02:54 AM
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hmmm, got time must go test drive the car to see whether is it worth it anot? anyone know when will test drive fleet arrive in JB?
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Dec 28 2011, 02:54 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 27 2011, 07:23 PM) Well i must agree although im a Toyota fan for many years. The Japs need a kick up their ass and the Koreans are giving them that. Just look at the disappointing designs coming out of Toyota & Honda these days. The 2012 Honda Civic was voted Most Disappointing car with poor marks for quality while the upcoming Camry is a step back in terms of design. Looks more like a facelift in fact. You can already see the specs for the Camry, read Australian websites. But im keeping my fingers crossed that the Malaysian Camry due in May 2012 will have much better specs, transmission and engine. |
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Dec 28 2011, 03:15 AM
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Current gen Camry & Accord HS is about 10k more expensive and is true that it is unfair to compare to the current models. But if you wanna compare with the new models, do you think the price will maintain the same? I don't think so.
The new gen Camry probably gonna about 5-10k more than the current model and I doubt the spec they offer can be as good as the Optima K5. |
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Dec 28 2011, 03:27 AM
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QUOTE(xVince @ Dec 27 2011, 08:15 PM) Current gen Camry & Accord HS is about 10k more expensive and is true that it is unfair to compare to the current models. But if you wanna compare with the new models, do you think the price will maintain the same? I don't think so. if they give the same spec, they will give a ridiculous engine like 2.5 or 3 litre V6 which nobody will buy anyways and the next inline will have half the specs and be 10k moreThe new gen Camry probably gonna about 5-10k more than the current model and I doubt the spec they offer can be as good as the Optima K5. |
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Dec 28 2011, 09:04 AM
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bro not too sure the aussie camry is what we are getting, this aussie one is like american camry, if so and yes we are getting, then teana may make more sales, cause this camry not uncle enough. too young, malaysian mentality , class d uncle car, except mazda 6, kia optima, even sonata turning into uncle look now since the k5 is out.
another thing, next few years camry is still giving normal NA engine, of course optima is also NA, unfortunately i think the new engines should be small cc with direct injection and assist with turbo and so on. like KERS Hybrid, and what ever, camry still dual VVti, i think no big deal, what i like to see is the improvement in the engine instead of higher CC cars like eco boost, TSi CGi and so on. This post has been edited by sonyman: Dec 28 2011, 09:12 AM |
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Dec 28 2011, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE(lifeless_creature @ Dec 27 2011, 11:15 PM) At the boot? I haven't go test yet...how was the Infinity sound system? Saw good feedbacks from forumers... It doesn't sound markedly different from the sound system in my Forte 2.0 SX. Another Forte owner who happened to be there at the same time also remarked the same thing. Aside from the added subwoofer in the rear parcel shelf, the "Infinity" system was nothing to shout about. Actually, it felt boomy due to the sub (which you can't control separately btw).Added on December 28, 2011, 9:51 am QUOTE(skyblas @ Dec 28 2011, 02:54 AM) hmmm, got time must go test drive the car to see whether is it worth it anot? anyone know when will test drive fleet arrive in JB? Last I heard test drives are only available from March onwards. In the meantime all units (100) will be sold as is (fully CBU)...Good thing => CBU Bad thing => Molested by the whole country in showrooms This post has been edited by gregy: Dec 28 2011, 09:51 AM |
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Dec 28 2011, 10:17 AM
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Any response to my earlier question on the CBC and BAS for Safety? Its stated on the brochure but what does it mean? Cant be Cornering Brake Control?
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Dec 28 2011, 10:20 AM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 28 2011, 09:42 AM) It doesn't sound markedly different from the sound system in my Forte 2.0 SX. Another Forte owner who happened to be there at the same time also remarked the same thing. Aside from the added subwoofer in the rear parcel shelf, the "Infinity" system was nothing to shout about. Actually, it felt boomy due to the sub (which you can't control separately btw). Yes i must say the Infinity sound system is no big deal. I dont see what the hype is all about. Sounds basically the same. Is Infinity supposed to be better than JBL? Can somebody provide a ranking list of Top 10 sound systems in the world? This is 1 area im far lacking. The rear subwoofer on the Optima is located off centre at the back. Any reason for this? Makes the rear arrangement a bit cacat if u ask me. Very noticeable. |
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Dec 28 2011, 10:47 AM
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Naza hv shot themselves in the foot this time around. 143k for a kia? Come on lah, u koreans are not on par with the japs yet but still price them more exp than a jap? All those specs count for nothing cause any jap maker can include them in their cars but that would mean a price hike.
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Dec 28 2011, 10:50 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 28 2011, 10:17 AM) Any response to my earlier question on the CBC and BAS for Safety? Its stated on the brochure but what does it mean? Cant be Cornering Brake Control? CBC is also on kia forte, yes cornering brake control. sounds like f1Added on December 28, 2011, 10:54 amone thing korean is no match for japs car is..... handling. japanese car's handling differs from conti, but, they are not weak either. through various performance variant of cars like Civic Type R, nissan skyline, lancer evo, mazda RX7/8, impreza sti, the jap car makers has acquired the know-how in car handling and chassis tuning. For this, korean still has a very very long way to go. This post has been edited by turbocharged: Dec 28 2011, 10:54 AM |
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Dec 28 2011, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Dec 28 2011, 10:47 AM) Naza hv shot themselves in the foot this time around. 143k for a kia? Come on lah, u koreans are not on par with the japs yet but still price them more exp than a jap? All those specs count for nothing cause any jap maker can include them in their cars but that would mean a price hike. Bro, it is expensive but not more expensive than a jap yet.No matter hw nice a car can look, it still boils down to hw strong ur brand name is, and at the moment, kia is only on par with china brands. |
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Dec 28 2011, 11:12 AM
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Well i think ppl comparing with the basic camry/honda model with this one, lets take a mid range camry or honda with their loaded accessories and compare the prices, i think kia still about 7 - 10k cheaper
Btw, the mid spec accord VTI-L with leather seats and electronic control seats is at RM149,800. its about 6k more with alot lesser stuff. We shouldnt take a basic spec jap make and compare with this, IMHO if optima had a basic range i guess it would be around RM130++ This post has been edited by JC999: Dec 28 2011, 11:15 AM |
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Dec 28 2011, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 28 2011, 10:20 AM) Yes i must say the Infinity sound system is no big deal. I dont see what the hype is all about. Sounds basically the same. Is Infinity supposed to be better than JBL? Can somebody provide a ranking list of Top 10 sound systems in the world? This is 1 area im far lacking. If you want a really good sound system it's best to pay one of the local sound tuners a visit The rear subwoofer on the Optima is located off centre at the back. Any reason for this? Makes the rear arrangement a bit cacat if u ask me. Very noticeable. I suspect one of the reasons for having the sub on one side is to free up some space for tall objects. At least this way, there is some headroom. Putting it right smack in the middle might not be as practical. Just a thought. Added on December 28, 2011, 11:15 am QUOTE(kevin23 @ Dec 28 2011, 10:47 AM) Naza hv shot themselves in the foot this time around. 143k for a kia? Come on lah, u koreans are not on par with the japs yet but still price them more exp than a jap? All those specs count for nothing cause any jap maker can include them in their cars but that would mean a price hike. Which hole did you crawl out from? Kia on par only with China brands? Maybe in your own mind on your own little island.No matter hw nice a car can look, it still boils down to hw strong ur brand name is, and at the moment, kia is only on par with china brands. This post has been edited by gregy: Dec 28 2011, 11:15 AM |
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Dec 28 2011, 12:08 PM
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The previous generation Optima started from Rm99000 to Rm117000. Quite a different on the price compare to a new one.
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Dec 28 2011, 12:38 PM
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Since the launch of the sportage, I think they have over priced the cars.
For a market like malaysia where Japanese cars are entrenched, they should have priced the car competitively. They should have brought in the low specs at a competitive price at launching to sell the car based on its looks and pricing. Once people have accepted the car, then only bring in the higher specs as people are then willing to pay for it once it is proven. I also suspect that the Hyundai Avante may suffer from a similar fate. This post has been edited by JoLee: Dec 28 2011, 12:39 PM |
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Dec 28 2011, 01:30 PM
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maybe MITI does not allow them to price cheap cheap car anymore.
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Dec 28 2011, 02:19 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 28 2011, 03:17 AM) Any response to my earlier question on the CBC and BAS for Safety? Its stated on the brochure but what does it mean? Cant be Cornering Brake Control? BAS i found is Brake Assist System, i guess it's part of the traction control where it applies brakes to the wheel that is slipping. CBC no ideaAdded on December 28, 2011, 2:21 pm QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 28 2011, 03:20 AM) Yes i must say the Infinity sound system is no big deal. I dont see what the hype is all about. Sounds basically the same. Is Infinity supposed to be better than JBL? Can somebody provide a ranking list of Top 10 sound systems in the world? This is 1 area im far lacking. ACtually it is a big deal, go search some reviews on this particular system in this particular car, not just their prodcutsThe rear subwoofer on the Optima is located off centre at the back. Any reason for this? Makes the rear arrangement a bit cacat if u ask me. Very noticeable. I read some where hardcore haters of stock systems loved it, so much so their colleagues had to do another review just to believe what they were reading in his report. Plus another i really like is the kick to the face to the Japs, if not for them the japs will continue giving us poor interiors lousy 1990 VVTi of a bygone era. I have no doubt if the fuel quality if bumped up, the GDi 2.4 or even the Turbo 2.0 will see its way here This post has been edited by rcracer: Dec 28 2011, 02:27 PM |
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Dec 28 2011, 03:36 PM
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Ive just had a 2nd look at the Optima this time at PJ. Spent about 1.5 hrs there going thru every nook and corner.
As i said before, the design and specs are quite good. Now im told it has Cornering Brake Control (CBC) which is a premium feature in BMW, etc. Rear legroom is really good. Dashboard needs a bit of getting used to. Rear seats not really comfortable for taller passengers if you sit longer. Sound system doesnt sound balanced when ure in driver's seat despite adjustment. You only get the surround effect in the rear seats. Besides that not much excitement bout the Infinity sound system. Also alot of water condensation from aircons on the floor. Never seen this much water on any other car before. Does give some doubts bout the compressor. Leather seats are not of the highest quality. The Peugeot 508 had much better leather seats for sure. But as always, i still think the price for the Optima is a tad high. If Naza had priced it at RM 139K, it would have nailed it. But alas! |
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Dec 28 2011, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE(kevin23 @ Dec 28 2011, 10:47 AM) Naza hv shot themselves in the foot this time around. 143k for a kia? Come on lah, u koreans are not on par with the japs yet but still price them more exp than a jap? All those specs count for nothing cause any jap maker can include them in their cars but that would mean a price hike. Hey Kevin, so what car are you buying this time? Last time you were mentioning you bought a Merc CGI AMG.No matter hw nice a car can look, it still boils down to hw strong ur brand name is, and at the moment, kia is only on par with china brands. |
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Dec 28 2011, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 28 2011, 03:36 PM) Ive just had a 2nd look at the Optima this time at PJ. Spent about 1.5 hrs there going thru every nook and corner. CBC is in Kia forte 2.0 also.As i said before, the design and specs are quite good. Now im told it has Cornering Brake Control (CBC) which is a premium feature in BMW, etc. |
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Dec 28 2011, 04:01 PM
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just back from test drive.. not a bad car to buy.. good spec..
feel solid.. lots of electronic stuff 2 play with.. power wise.. abit underpower for 2.0 model.. the salesman told me they only will b 2.0.. zz |
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Dec 28 2011, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE(wc5599 @ Dec 28 2011, 04:01 PM) just back from test drive.. not a bad car to buy.. good spec.. put K&N filter then feel solid.. lots of electronic stuff 2 play with.. power wise.. abit underpower for 2.0 model.. the salesman told me they only will b 2.0.. zz |
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Dec 28 2011, 04:20 PM
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haha. i just bought teana last yr lo.. else i will consider tis car 1..
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Dec 28 2011, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE(wc5599 @ Dec 28 2011, 04:20 PM) haha. i just bought teana last yr lo.. else i will consider tis car 1.. trade in la...top up abit...change to k&n filter...then u can zoom zoom...and get good FC still abit butthurt.. |
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Dec 28 2011, 04:28 PM
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u wan buy?
tis optima gadget is almost same as merc e class.. quite fun.. the speaker quite good.. but the woofer (i think) sits on the thin board at the back.. when volumn loud abit it will vibrates gao gao.. can hear the sound lar.. |
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Dec 28 2011, 04:32 PM
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who went for a test drive already?
Added on December 28, 2011, 4:33 pmhttp://paultan.org/2011/12/27/kia-optima-k5-2-0-launched-rm143888-on-the-road/ This post has been edited by ck23: Dec 28 2011, 04:33 PM |
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Dec 28 2011, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE(wc5599 @ Dec 28 2011, 04:28 PM) u wan buy? initially thought of buying coz predicted 140k below...now will think twice liao...stupid greedy naza...they thought they can rip off our money by juz offering gd design and car loaded with features...wat they duno is most ppl will consider whole package like maintenance, after sales service, reliability, bla bla bla...those ppl who onli look at the car alone is either they r dreaming to get the car or hv lots of money...ppl who are plan their financial properly n do alot of research will feel otherwise...tis optima gadget is almost same as merc e class.. quite fun.. the speaker quite good.. but the woofer (i think) sits on the thin board at the back.. when volumn loud abit it will vibrates gao gao.. can hear the sound lar.. |
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Dec 28 2011, 04:38 PM
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got 5 yrs unlimited warranty mar.. the salesman told me everything included except brakepad, wiper and tyre..
reliability.. really duno.. its still a kia.. |
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Dec 28 2011, 04:44 PM
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QUOTE(wc5599 @ Dec 28 2011, 04:01 PM) just back from test drive.. not a bad car to buy.. good spec.. bro, where did you went to test drive???feel solid.. lots of electronic stuff 2 play with.. power wise.. abit underpower for 2.0 model.. the salesman told me they only will b 2.0.. zz |
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Dec 28 2011, 04:46 PM
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i m at muar, jhr.. its not kia official showroom..
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Dec 28 2011, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE(wc5599 @ Dec 28 2011, 04:38 PM) got 5 yrs unlimited warranty mar.. the salesman told me everything included except brakepad, wiper and tyre.. ya reliability, after sales service, maintenance workmanship quality..all still a big question mark...i know got unlimited 5-yr warranty but i heard if u wan get ori parts need to wait quite long for cbu units...reliability.. really duno.. its still a kia.. |
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Dec 28 2011, 04:56 PM
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The design is epic! I freaking like it. It comes with LED light.
The price marks below RM150k is a good choice. Good for company car. Can claim CA RM100k. Teana, Camry, Accord, Sonata 2.0... Any comparison between all these? Which one is better? |
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Dec 28 2011, 04:57 PM
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hmm.. true also.. u got ur point..
Added on December 28, 2011, 5:01 pmwat is CA?? compare to teana.. tis 1 is better.. interior quality.. design.. feature power wise.. tis 1 oso better.. but same underpower as my teana.. but i like my teana seat more.. its like sofa.. more comfy This post has been edited by wc5599: Dec 28 2011, 05:01 PM |
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Dec 28 2011, 05:03 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 28 2011, 02:26 AM) Just for your easy reference, ive listed down the specs and features of the Optima: Great! This should put at the first post. I copy and print it out for reference. Original PDF Pricing from Kia website only has 23 items.RM 143,888 (OTR) with 5 year unlimited mileage manufacturer warranty. Specifications: 1) Theta II 2.0L MPI engine with 165HP and 198 Nm torque (Camry 2.0L is 147HP and 190Nm torque) 2) 6 speed automatic Dual CVVT with paddle shifters and Eco mode 3) HID Xenon headlights with Auto Leveling & Static Bending Lights 4) Daytime LED running lights (DRL) 5) Rear LED lights and LED side turn signal lights 6) Auto Light Control System with Escort Lights and washers 7) Electric foldable side mirrors 8) 6 airbags (front, side & curtain airbags) 9) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS) 11) Electronic Brakeforce Distribution System (EBD) 12) Traction Control System (TCS) 13) Hill Assist Control (HAC) 14) Cornering Brake Control (CBC) 15) Brake Assist System (BAS) 16) Rear Parking Assist System with rear camera 17) Speed Sensing Auto door lock 18) Impact Sensing Auto door unlock 19) Auto Cruise Control 20) 18 inch sporty alloy wheels with full disk brakes and full spare alloy wheel 21) MacPherson type suspension with Gas shock absorbers with High Performance Dampers (HPD) with sliding valve 22) Infinity Surround Sound system with 8 speakers & subwoofer 23) 6 in dash CD changer system with Bluetooth, AUX, USB & iPOD connectivity 24) Dual zone auto air con with rear air con vents 25) 8 way power seat (driver) with memory function 26) Push Start ignition with Smart Key 27) 3.5” Color TFT LCD display 28) Premium Leather seats 29) Panoramic Electric Sunroof 30) First Korean car with 5 Star NHTSA rating from America http://www.nazakia.com.my/sites/default/fi...K5_PEN-2011.pdf Added on December 28, 2011, 5:08 pm QUOTE(wc5599 @ Dec 28 2011, 04:57 PM) hmm.. true also.. u got ur point.. CA is Capital Allowance.Added on December 28, 2011, 5:01 pmwat is CA?? compare to teana.. tis 1 is better.. interior quality.. design.. feature power wise.. tis 1 oso better.. but same underpower as my teana.. but i like my teana seat more.. its like sofa.. more comfy It's your 5 years depreciation allowance. It allows you to set off 100k from your income. If you buy a mercedes S class, say RM500k. Only RM50k can be claimed. RM450k will kena tax because it can't set off from your income. Vehicle below RM150k, CA upto RM100k. Vehicle above RM150k CA capped at RM50k only. This post has been edited by ck23: Dec 28 2011, 05:09 PM |
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Dec 28 2011, 05:14 PM
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QUOTE(ck23 @ Dec 28 2011, 05:03 PM) Great! This should put at the first post. I copy and print it out for reference. Original PDF Pricing from Kia website only has 23 items. provided it is for company use car rite?and u must tat least b in managerial position lolzhttp://www.nazakia.com.my/sites/default/fi...K5_PEN-2011.pdf Added on December 28, 2011, 5:08 pm CA is Capital Allowance. It's your 5 years depreciation allowance. It allows you to set off 100k from your income. If you buy a mercedes S class, say RM500k. Only RM50k can be claimed. RM450k will kena tax because it can't set off from your income. Vehicle below RM150k, CA upto RM100k. Vehicle above RM150k CA capped at RM50k only. Added on December 28, 2011, 5:15 pm QUOTE(wc5599 @ Dec 28 2011, 04:57 PM) hmm.. true also.. u got ur point.. haha...nothing can beat teana's seat...heck i can just sit in teana whole day without complain...Added on December 28, 2011, 5:01 pmwat is CA?? compare to teana.. tis 1 is better.. interior quality.. design.. feature power wise.. tis 1 oso better.. but same underpower as my teana.. but i like my teana seat more.. its like sofa.. more comfy This post has been edited by yamasce: Dec 28 2011, 05:15 PM |
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Dec 28 2011, 05:15 PM
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Designer : Peter Schreyer who also designed first-generation Audi TT and new Volkswagen Beetle.
Another credential for this car!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhYGqZL2mpQ |
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Dec 28 2011, 05:28 PM
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no black color choice....too bad...
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Dec 28 2011, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE(StormV @ Dec 28 2011, 05:28 PM) no black color choice....too bad... Black won't do this car justice because many accented parts on the exterior are black. The titanium graphite on the other hand, looks good. You should go see the car yourself to judge. |
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Dec 28 2011, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 28 2011, 05:40 PM) Black won't do this car justice because many accented parts on the exterior are black. The titanium graphite on the other hand, looks good. You should go see the car yourself to judge. I dont think the Titanium is good for this car. Dulls the wheels and the overall shape. This car stands out the best in the Silver metallic. Cars with great designs should be in lighter colors to accentuate the design. |
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Dec 28 2011, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 28 2011, 08:36 AM) Ive just had a 2nd look at the Optima this time at PJ. Spent about 1.5 hrs there going thru every nook and corner. Condensation means the system is working excellently, the cooling coil is getting really cold to have so much water condense on to itAs i said before, the design and specs are quite good. Now im told it has Cornering Brake Control (CBC) which is a premium feature in BMW, etc. Rear legroom is really good. Dashboard needs a bit of getting used to. Rear seats not really comfortable for taller passengers if you sit longer. Sound system doesnt sound balanced when ure in driver's seat despite adjustment. You only get the surround effect in the rear seats. Besides that not much excitement bout the Infinity sound system. Also alot of water condensation from aircons on the floor. Never seen this much water on any other car before. Does give some doubts bout the compressor. Leather seats are not of the highest quality. The Peugeot 508 had much better leather seats for sure. But as always, i still think the price for the Optima is a tad high. If Naza had priced it at RM 139K, it would have nailed it. But alas! |
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Dec 28 2011, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 28 2011, 06:33 PM) I dont think the Titanium is good for this car. Dulls the wheels and the overall shape. This car stands out the best in the Silver metallic. Cars with great designs should be in lighter colors to accentuate the design. i totally agreed This post has been edited by figure8: Dec 28 2011, 07:53 PM |
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Dec 28 2011, 11:01 PM
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i just saw tv ad, this baby really really sexy and look classy.
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Dec 29 2011, 08:29 AM
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It is almost around the price range of a VW Jetta... i wonder if it is going to sell.....
It does comes with a lot of gadget thought.... so maybe that will become a selling point? |
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QUOTE(Madgeiser @ Dec 29 2011, 08:29 AM) It is almost around the price range of a VW Jetta... i wonder if it is going to sell..... i believe Jetta and Optima are not in the same segment class.It does comes with a lot of gadget thought.... so maybe that will become a selling point? |
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QUOTE(JoLee @ Dec 28 2011, 12:38 PM) For a market like malaysia where Japanese cars are entrenched, they should have priced the car competitively. They should have brought in the low specs at a competitive price at launching to sell the car based on its looks and pricing. yup naza should think like airasia... cheapest 1st, when everyone can fly than increase the price slowly...Once people have accepted the car, then only bring in the higher specs as people are then willing to pay for it once it is proven. QUOTE(wc5599 @ Dec 28 2011, 04:38 PM) reliability.. really duno.. its still a kia.. u should come to my house & test my 2 years forte... then u know the answer... |
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Dec 29 2011, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE(epo @ Dec 29 2011, 09:16 AM) yup naza should think like airasia... cheapest 1st, when everyone can fly than increase the price slowly... care to give some feedbacks and experiences from ur 2 years of owning a kia car???i'm keen to know..now i'm stuck at whether 2 go for optima or notu should come to my house & test my 2 years forte... then u know the answer... |
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Dec 29 2011, 09:35 AM
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it forte really that good? but only 2 yrs lar.. still young..
tbh i nv like korean product.. but tis car changed my perception abit.. mayb bcos its german design.. =p |
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Dec 29 2011, 10:02 AM
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QUOTE(yamasce @ Dec 29 2011, 09:30 AM) care to give some feedbacks and experiences from ur 2 years of owning a kia car???i'm keen to know..now i'm stuck at whether 2 go for optima or not i can't... coz a lot of trolling will pop-up in a few secs... just come to my house & test drive urself... put a half tank of fuel + nasi lemak & kopi-o... sometime i wonder why the moderator such as sleepwalker doesn't create an event where all the car's owner gather together. all F&F moderator will test the car in every aspect to ensure no bias feedback is given. although paultan has done a good job in writing a review but it's too general. we can do a survey from lyn members & ask them what items want to test (ie : fc, cornering, 0-100km/h, top speed, braking, sound system, noise, etc etc) as a return, all car's owner will get :- - 4 x new tyres - full tank of petrol - 1 x 4L fully syn engine oil - 1 x oil filter - 4 x brake pads - RM200 as a compensation lyn.net has around 6000 members, everyone contribute RM2 should be enough aldy. no need to test all cars (ie : bmw, merc, audi, etc) , just test the cars which price tag is between 50k to 150k... all the test & feedback result will be compiled & become a sticky... QUOTE(wc5599 @ Dec 29 2011, 09:35 AM) tbh i nv like korean product.. but tis car changed my perception abit.. mayb bcos its german design.. =p at 1st place, i also dun like... during sephia, spectra, old optima... but nowadays korea product is everywhere...watching bluray via LG, SAMSUNG LED TV browse lyn.net, fesbuk via SAMSUNG GALAXY TAB, GALAXY NOTE, SGS2, etc... even masuk karaoke sing k-pop song... haihhh... This post has been edited by epo: Dec 29 2011, 10:04 AM |
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korea electronics part are ok, because if they failed after 3 years, nobody cares
, you expect your iphone4 to work for 5 years? but in msia, where a lot of ppl are paying 9 years car loan, and some even up to 25% of their income, ppl has a lot of expectation on cars. if your iphone spoilt, you can go to work and you can buy a new one during lunchtime. if your car spoilt, how many days can you take taxi to work? yes, i understand we all hated the national cars, and korean car with the right pricing is like a savior and a breath of fresh air, but, no, sadly, korean car still has some rooms for improvement, for the benefit of all. At the very least, their distributor( naza/SD) has plenty of rooms for improvement. But for now, they are moving in the right direction. ----------- any car below 3 years is consider new car. above 5 years, then only we can judge the quality. above 10 years, thats where the jap car shines, while the conti car dulls. so you can see the 10 years old S class at dirt cheap price. This post has been edited by turbocharged: Dec 29 2011, 10:13 AM |
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Dec 29 2011, 10:10 AM
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QUOTE(yamasce @ Dec 29 2011, 09:30 AM) care to give some feedbacks and experiences from ur 2 years of owning a kia car???i'm keen to know..now i'm stuck at whether 2 go for optima or not Yes..mine also almost 2 years...quite impress with the quality...still look good and strong build...interior plastic looks like as new...no ratling sound and no major problem...just one time problem with brake switch....but after replace the new one...work fine until today....If l had given one more chance today....to buy car c segment.....im still choose forte 2.0.......and off course for the next few years....with my experience with forte compare to my previos honda...definitely i will go to kia...and off course optima is my target.. |
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Dec 29 2011, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(forter @ Dec 29 2011, 10:10 AM) and off course optima is my target.. and off course optima is my target.. if the price below 120k... FIXED... hahaha... |
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Dec 29 2011, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE(epo @ Dec 29 2011, 10:02 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « btw tis car is the only 100++k car which doesnt feels cheap lo.. the interior in par with merc to me.. |
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Dec 29 2011, 10:39 AM
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QUOTE(epo @ Dec 29 2011, 10:26 AM) and off course optima is my target.. if the price below 120k... FIXED... hahaha... If compare with current accord and camry...im ok with tthat price....unless new accord come out with something advance with current price.....then can consider.. |
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 29 2011, 10:08 AM) korea electronics part are ok, because if they failed after 3 years, nobody cares Don't be so naive. Everything is made in China these days. Apple, LG, HTC etc. Electronics today aren't made to last. A Merc today is no longer as tough and durable as it used to be 30 yrs ago. Same with Jap cars., you expect your iphone4 to work for 5 years? but in msia, where a lot of ppl are paying 9 years car loan, and some even up to 25% of their income, ppl has a lot of expectation on cars. if your iphone spoilt, you can go to work and you can buy a new one during lunchtime. if your car spoilt, how many days can you take taxi to work? yes, i understand we all hated the national cars, and korean car with the right pricing is like a savior and a breath of fresh air, but, no, sadly, korean car still has some rooms for improvement, for the benefit of all. At the very least, their distributor( naza/SD) has plenty of rooms for improvement. But for now, they are moving in the right direction. ----------- any car below 3 years is consider new car. above 5 years, then only we can judge the quality. above 10 years, thats where the jap car shines, while the conti car dulls. so you can see the 10 years old S class at dirt cheap price. The way you put it is as if you've owned a few Korean cars in the past and they've all let you down. I don't know where you live, but around my neighbourhood plenty of Getz, Aveo, Spectra, Matrix etc are still running around. Their mechanical engineering back then may not be good, but many ppl have said that those cars, even though with mechanical issues, are rock solid in terms of suspension and bodywork. Are you driving a Kia to judge that Naza "has plenty of rooms for improvement."? 3yrs by today's standards is a fairly new car, but a new car it is not. And judging by the general population and how "well" they take care of their cars, 3yrs makes a car really old. Why do you think a 10yo S-class is cheap? You need to thank our govt's archaic road tax policy. The smallest engine on an S-class is a 2.8-litre. That's RM1.6k for road tax. And by dirt cheap, you do know that it's still going for between RM75-88k right? Compare that to a same year Camry 2.0 or 2.2 going for about RM28-35k. It's still more than double the price. How can you compare a 10yo Jap car against a 10yo Conti and call the latter "dull"? If I could afford the FC, road tax and maintenance of a 10yo S-Class I'd buy one in a heartbeat! The reality is, someone wanting to own a 10yo S-Class is someone who can afford a brand new RM170k D-segment car with a 2.4 or smaller engine. So pls don't condemn that car, or an old Bimmer for that matter. |
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Dec 29 2011, 11:00 AM
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It is Naza strategy la.. rip the money from hardcore fanboys 1st..
lt later on put on huge discount on past slow moving model.. at the end, hardcore fanboys suffer the most..and talk another way round.. Good luck.. This post has been edited by keeting89: Dec 29 2011, 11:01 AM |
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Dec 29 2011, 11:08 AM
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nothing built to last, a car can last for 10yrs is good enuf, otherwise how to sell more products, after 10 yrs buy new car with new fuel saving engine, after 10yrs from now, you may see more hybrid, electric and fuel cell car around, focus on earning more money, then you can afford better car, live in classy house, buy branded stuffs, travel here n there.
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Dec 29 2011, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 29 2011, 10:52 AM) Don't be so naive. Everything is made in China these days. Apple, LG, HTC etc. Electronics today aren't made to last. A Merc today is no longer as tough and durable as it used to be 30 yrs ago. Same with Jap cars. first, dont be so defensive/offensive, just sharing my point here, especially on WHY ppl are scare of korean product.The way you put it is as if you've owned a few Korean cars in the past and they've all let you down. I don't know where you live, but around my neighbourhood plenty of Getz, Aveo, Spectra, Matrix etc are still running around. Their mechanical engineering back then may not be good, but many ppl have said that those cars, even though with mechanical issues, are rock solid in terms of suspension and bodywork. Are you driving a Kia to judge that Naza "has plenty of rooms for improvement."? 3yrs by today's standards is a fairly new car, but a new car it is not. And judging by the general population and how "well" they take care of their cars, 3yrs makes a car really old. Why do you think a 10yo S-class is cheap? You need to thank our govt's archaic road tax policy. The smallest engine on an S-class is a 2.8-litre. That's RM1.6k for road tax. And by dirt cheap, you do know that it's still going for between RM75-88k right? Compare that to a same year Camry 2.0 or 2.2 going for about RM28-35k. It's still more than double the price. How can you compare a 10yo Jap car against a 10yo Conti and call the latter "dull"? If I could afford the FC, road tax and maintenance of a 10yo S-Class I'd buy one in a heartbeat! The reality is, someone wanting to own a 10yo S-Class is someone who can afford a brand new RM170k D-segment car with a 2.4 or smaller engine. So pls don't condemn that car, or an old Bimmer for that matter. second, you should get a used S class, if you can afford the Air suspension at rm20k per set. S class brand new(recon) is more than 600k, so, 10 years later, its only 15%, yes, thats dirt cheap to me. yea, i know everything is made in china. so? Electronics arent made to last? so how about all those aircrafts and mainframes? they have their design life, some are shorter, some are made to last longer. it depends on the design spec.the concept of Jap car and COnti is different ( and korean being in the middle, trying to move towards conti side). jap = in terms of R&D, they are more on development. Less on R. they go for continuous improvement.Hybrid, its only in small numbers and in selected models. conti = More on Research side. they are more willing to take on new tech, and implement it across. Like DSG, and twincharger, suddenly in 1 generation, its available across all platforms. pros and cons? well you know, Jap= durable and reliable( of course and boring). and Conti= very fancy and fun, but, needs more caring and love, and deeper pocket too. People here and now are still used to the concept of longer lasting car. do you need to be electrocuted before you are sure high voltage kills? now you know why human being can last for so many generations right? because ppl are cautious. |
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Dec 29 2011, 11:18 AM
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just saw a Forte with a LEXUS logo!
Too bad this car is produced by KIA. If it's Chevrolet/Honda/Toyota, sure lotsa ppl grab it without further hesitation. |
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Dec 29 2011, 11:29 AM
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QUOTE(keeting89 @ Dec 29 2011, 11:00 AM) It is Naza strategy la.. rip the money from hardcore fanboys 1st.. i dunno if buy korea product will be label as a korean fanboy... lt later on put on huge discount on past slow moving model.. at the end, hardcore fanboys suffer the most..and talk another way round.. i buy coz value the money... if civic, lancer, forte, inspira, sylphy, altis sell at the same price (ie : 90k for 2.0cc) do u think i'll buy forte ? i bet until today i dunno which one to choose... naza will not have a chance to rip my money if they sell forte at 120k... same goes to optima too... IMHO, optima should sell around 120k only... i've a chance to see my 'ori' car price (in custom form) before has been mark-up by naza and i WTF a lot... so damn cheap... if PROTON was never been built in BOLEHLAND, we can enjoy that cheaper price... if 2012 japs car come with a new model with a new price below 100k for 2.0cc, i maybe switch back to japs... bcoz of i bought a korean once, isn't meaning i'll stick to korean again 4ever... and which slowing model has been given huge discount... are u refering to naza ria...? old skool story...? This post has been edited by epo: Dec 29 2011, 11:35 AM |
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Dec 29 2011, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(ck23 @ Dec 29 2011, 11:18 AM) just saw a Forte with a LEXUS logo! the 2 door koup is even better looking.. too bad i don hav time 2 test drive it yest.. and all car at the showroom is owned by people ady.. hope i got chance 2 try it..Too bad this car is produced by KIA. If it's Chevrolet/Honda/Toyota, sure lotsa ppl grab it without further hesitation. |
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Dec 29 2011, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(ck23 @ Dec 29 2011, 11:18 AM) just saw a Forte with a LEXUS logo! dun fool ur eyes with the LOGO... i've a wira with MITSU logo 10 years ago... |
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Dec 29 2011, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 29 2011, 11:13 AM) first, dont be so defensive/offensive, just sharing my point here, especially on WHY ppl are scare of korean product. i don understand how u differentiate the R and the D here.. care 2 explain??second, you should get a used S class, if you can afford the Air suspension at rm20k per set. S class brand new(recon) is more than 600k, so, 10 years later, its only 15%, yes, thats dirt cheap to me. yea, i know everything is made in china. so? Electronics arent made to last? so how about all those aircrafts and mainframes? they have their design life, some are shorter, some are made to last longer. it depends on the design spec.the concept of Jap car and COnti is different ( and korean being in the middle, trying to move towards conti side). jap = in terms of R&D, they are more on development. Less on R. they go for continuous improvement.Hybrid, its only in small numbers and in selected models. conti = More on Research side. they are more willing to take on new tech, and implement it across. Like DSG, and twincharger, suddenly in 1 generation, its available across all platforms. pros and cons? well you know, Jap= durable and reliable( of course and boring). and Conti= very fancy and fun, but, needs more caring and love, and deeper pocket too. People here and now are still used to the concept of longer lasting car. do you need to be electrocuted before you are sure high voltage kills? now you know why human being can last for so many generations right? because ppl are cautious. |
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Dec 29 2011, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(wc5599 @ Dec 29 2011, 11:38 AM) i don understand how u differentiate the R and the D here.. care 2 explain?? well, as usual, japanese cares more on Development, instead of Research. Not to say they do not research, but a bigger portion is on developing the existing technology, and perfect it, without reinvent the wheel.One step at a time. look at fuel saving tech, or Horsepower tech. Honda being the most famous, they can have very good FC car, and also very high HP car, ( the B16 engine can get almost 100hp/1 liter engine displacement, this is near to ferrari territory). and also, jap car maker is very slow in changing and making fast decision. The ground breaking technology is seldom came from jap car maker. look at VW, at one moment they get all cars with diesel, then now with turbos, and then now twincharger, and then next they said twincharger will be abandon and go for 1 turbo is enough.And now almost all vw cars has DSG gearbox. COnti car maker is very keen on introducing the new technology, but they never hold on to one for a very long time( not as long as jap car maker). Look at volvo at active safety technology, but, are their car good to hold on for more than 10 years. To the consumer, conti car maker is good when you are loaded, and wanna shop for newest and fastest which gadget to impress your frens, imagine the HUD in bmw or pug 3008( not in any jap car that i heard of ). But in msia, which a majority is still not making enough money, jap car is obviously the choice for the masses. Look at those old c70 honda that is everywhere. Of course not forgetting japan is nearer to msia, so the spare part is easier to obtain comparing with euro countries. not to say jap or euro is good or bad, its always two side of a coin, and just pick the one you want. |
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Dec 29 2011, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Dec 29 2011, 11:08 AM) nothing built to last, a car can last for 10yrs is good enuf, otherwise how to sell more products, after 10 yrs buy new car with new fuel saving engine, after 10yrs from now, you may see more hybrid, electric and fuel cell car around, focus on earning more money, then you can afford better car, live in classy house, buy branded stuffs, travel here n there. 10 years later, malaysia no more petrol....hybrid too expensive...and .i probably downgrade to bicycle then or naik bus...haha...Added on December 29, 2011, 11:59 am QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 29 2011, 11:52 AM) well, as usual, japanese cares more on Development, instead of Research. Not to say they do not research, but a bigger portion is on developing the existing technology, and perfect it, without reinvent the wheel.One step at a time. Nice Analysis. Yes, Japanese companies are slow to move...got pros and cons...for the car industry it's probably ok...but for electronics industry where fast paced are needed, onced giants like SONY are being slaughthered by Samsung now, being fast and reactive to the market.look at fuel saving tech, or Horsepower tech. Honda being the most famous, they can have very good FC car, and also very high HP car, ( the B16 engine can get almost 100hp/1 liter engine displacement, this is near to ferrari territory). and also, jap car maker is very slow in changing and making fast decision. The ground breaking technology is seldom came from jap car maker. look at VW, at one moment they get all cars with diesel, then now with turbos, and then now twincharger, and then next they said twincharger will be abandon and go for 1 turbo is enough.And now almost all vw cars has DSG gearbox. COnti car maker is very keen on introducing the new technology, but they never hold on to one for a very long time( not as long as jap car maker). Look at volvo at active safety technology, but, are their car good to hold on for more than 10 years. To the consumer, conti car maker is good when you are loaded, and wanna shop for newest and fastest which gadget to impress your frens, imagine the HUD in bmw or pug 3008( not in any jap car that i heard of ). But in msia, which a majority is still not making enough money, jap car is obviously the choice for the masses. Look at those old c70 honda that is everywhere. Of course not forgetting japan is nearer to msia, so the spare part is easier to obtain comparing with euro countries. not to say jap or euro is good or bad, its always two side of a coin, and just pick the one you want. This post has been edited by SushiBurgerX: Dec 29 2011, 11:59 AM |
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Dec 29 2011, 12:00 PM
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other country maybe 5-10 years ppl get to change car.... malaysia.... i think most ppl change car here after driving 15 years.
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Dec 29 2011, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE(SushiBurgerX @ Dec 29 2011, 11:56 AM) 10 years later, malaysia no more petrol....hybrid too expensive...and .i probably downgrade to bicycle then or naik bus...haha... spot on!Added on December 29, 2011, 11:59 am Nice Analysis. Yes, Japanese companies are slow to move...got pros and cons...for the car industry it's probably ok...but for electronics industry where fast paced are needed, onced giants like SONY are being slaughthered by Samsung now, being fast and reactive to the market. jap company are slow to make changes, thats why they cannot win F1. look at honda? after they pull out, immediately brawn GP won F1(ok, not as simple) , lol. epic fail. |
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Dec 29 2011, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 29 2011, 11:52 AM) well, as usual, japanese cares more on Development, instead of Research. Not to say they do not research, but a bigger portion is on developing the existing technology, and perfect it, without reinvent the wheel.One step at a time. if you know the secrets in airplane manufacturing, u will be amazed by the profit marginlook at fuel saving tech, or Horsepower tech. Honda being the most famous, they can have very good FC car, and also very high HP car, ( the B16 engine can get almost 100hp/1 liter engine displacement, this is near to ferrari territory). and also, jap car maker is very slow in changing and making fast decision. The ground breaking technology is seldom came from jap car maker. look at VW, at one moment they get all cars with diesel, then now with turbos, and then now twincharger, and then next they said twincharger will be abandon and go for 1 turbo is enough.And now almost all vw cars has DSG gearbox. COnti car maker is very keen on introducing the new technology, but they never hold on to one for a very long time( not as long as jap car maker). Look at volvo at active safety technology, but, are their car good to hold on for more than 10 years. To the consumer, conti car maker is good when you are loaded, and wanna shop for newest and fastest which gadget to impress your frens, imagine the HUD in bmw or pug 3008( not in any jap car that i heard of ). But in msia, which a majority is still not making enough money, jap car is obviously the choice for the masses. Look at those old c70 honda that is everywhere. Of course not forgetting japan is nearer to msia, so the spare part is easier to obtain comparing with euro countries. not to say jap or euro is good or bad, its always two side of a coin, and just pick the one you want. honda robotics, we may live to see robots in the army. majority in msia can only afford P1 and P2. T&H only those middle class conti, meant for the rich can we have 1malaysia car factory that everyone can build your own car. this will encourage more sme setup in malaysia hence every rakyat can enjoy better and cheaper car. all parts made in malaysia. we have most of the raw material in malaysia, why P1 P2 still sell at high price? arent they suppose to be national pride and help the poor? |
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Dec 29 2011, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Dec 29 2011, 12:15 PM) can we have 1malaysia car factory that everyone can build your own car. this will encourage more sme setup in malaysia hence every rakyat can enjoy better and cheaper car. all parts made in malaysia. kindly email to najib@1malaysia.com.mywe have most of the raw material in malaysia, why P1 P2 still sell at high price? arent they suppose to be national pride and help the poor? only he has the answer... |
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Dec 29 2011, 12:23 PM
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saw those concept 3wheels compact city car, shiok.
even now hybrid still expensive to own, if human were to unite and focus on technology advancement rather spend it on wars, we may already exploring space. mentality got to change for the better. can we have flying cars, sick of traffic jams, any genius here??? Added on December 29, 2011, 12:27 pm QUOTE(epo @ Dec 29 2011, 12:22 PM) kindly email to najib@1malaysia.com.my not easy being a pm, its like stuck in between, some of us may knew why.only he has the answer... steer clear from politics and focus on something that makes life better This post has been edited by stargate8: Dec 29 2011, 12:27 PM |
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Dec 29 2011, 12:28 PM
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Just saw the optima at the red cube in pj, it still under some renovation. Only 2 optimas were there.
Besides the look of the car, theres really nothing special about the car. The moment i open the door, i can feel its using cheapskate material.door feels hollow. Then i step in, everything looks so cheapo. The door openers looks like the silver finish can come off anytime. And the paddle shifters feel like they made of cheap plastic,flimsy. When u get in the car, u dont get the premium feeling an accord or mazda 6 gives u. The driver seat electric seat motor is so noisy i bet it couldnt last a year without breaking down.overall, it looks good outside but inside is still typical cheapo korean material all around. |
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Dec 29 2011, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Dec 29 2011, 12:00 PM) other country maybe 5-10 years ppl get to change car.... malaysia.... i think most ppl change car here after driving 15 years. all those money spent on cars in malaysia, is a lot.those money can be well spent in education and better living. policy must change otherwise in the long run will suffer. open market, those who can afford fuel without subsidy let them decide. gov can generate income from elsewhere and pls revise income tax (those rich people lar, warren B said so) i think we are off topic already... |
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Dec 29 2011, 01:04 PM
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this might b off topic but i wan to b clear on this...if lets say i pay booking fee to book the same car in 2 separate places...for example 1 in northern branch another in southern branch...if i am to cancel booking from either 1 of the branches will i get a full refund?coz i know they need to get approval from HQ b4 they can refund to u...
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Dec 29 2011, 01:15 PM
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QUOTE(epo @ Dec 29 2011, 09:16 AM) u should come to my house & test my 2 years forte... then u know the answer... How do you gauge quality with a 2 yr old car? If your car starts developing problems within the first 2 yrs, then its crap but if it doesnt then it doesnt mean its all good either. Parts usually start giving way after about 4 years or so. Even previous gen Spectra's generally didnt have problems within the 1st 2 yrs. And by testing handling and braking, how does that gauge quality? Thats a totally different aspect. You wanna know the meaning of quality come test drive my 2003 Vios. Despite being 8.5 yrs, the engine is still smooth, accelaration still good, no rattles anywhere in the car, the window/door seals are still in excellent conditon, suspension is still smooth with no squeeks, aircon still really strong and paintwork still shiny and nice. Thats what i call QUALITY. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Dec 29 2011, 01:24 PM |
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Dec 29 2011, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 29 2011, 01:15 PM) How do you gauge quality with a 2 yr old car? If your car starts developing problems within the first 2 yrs, then its crap but if it doesnt then it doesnt mean its all good either. Parts usually start giving way after about 4 years or so. Even previous gen Spectra's generally didnt have problems within the 1st 2 yrs. And by testing handling and braking, how does that gauge quality? Thats a totally different aspect. You wanna know the meaning of quality come test drive my 2003 Vios. Despite being 8.5 yrs, the engine is still smooth, accelaration still good, no rattles anywhere in the car, the window/door seals are still in excellent conditon, suspension is still smooth with no squeeks, aircon still really strong and paintwork still shiny and nice. Thats what i call QUALITY. thats toyota, and thats what they do best. it might not be fun, it might not be fast, but you sure can sleep well in the night. |
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Dec 29 2011, 01:57 PM
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QUOTE(yamasce @ Dec 29 2011, 01:04 PM) this might b off topic but i wan to b clear on this...if lets say i pay booking fee to book the same car in 2 separate places...for example 1 in northern branch another in southern branch...if i am to cancel booking from either 1 of the branches will i get a full refund?coz i know they need to get approval from HQ b4 they can refund to u... booking fee can be refunded if customer canx booking? cannot lar |
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Dec 29 2011, 02:14 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 29 2011, 01:15 PM) How do you gauge quality with a 2 yr old car? If your car starts developing problems within the first 2 yrs, then its crap but if it doesnt then it doesnt mean its all good either. Parts usually start giving way after about 4 years or so. Even previous gen Spectra's generally didnt have problems within the 1st 2 yrs. as expected, that's why i dun care to give a review in any korea thread coz people like u always come & troll...And by testing handling and braking, how does that gauge quality? Thats a totally different aspect. You wanna know the meaning of quality come test drive my 2003 Vios. Despite being 8.5 yrs, the engine is still smooth, accelaration still good, no rattles anywhere in the car, the window/door seals are still in excellent conditon, suspension is still smooth with no squeeks, aircon still really strong and paintwork still shiny and nice. Thats what i call QUALITY. yamasce asked about forte so i just ask him to test mine... i never mentioned about forte quality coz its subjective... i let yamasce come & feel himself... if he said not good then what can i do, if he say good, do i get komisen from kia? if everyone in lyn.net think like u, then nobody will ask a review on 3-4 years old car. they'll wait until 2014... and i dun see why u need to bubble around with ur vios coz no one in this thread (even in other thread except vios thread) ask about vios quality... hence, u can keep the story for ur grandchild... |
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Dec 29 2011, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 29 2011, 01:15 PM) How do you gauge quality with a 2 yr old car? If your car starts developing problems within the first 2 yrs, then its crap but if it doesnt then it doesnt mean its all good either. Parts usually start giving way after about 4 years or so. Even previous gen Spectra's generally didnt have problems within the 1st 2 yrs. Err, that just means you're either a lightweight, super safe and slow driver or lucky or you hardly drive the car. My ex used to drive the same car as yours. First month, boot developed a leak. Problem with the seal on the tail lamps. 2nd yr, radiator got busted. Same yr, air cond had to be fully serviced. At that time the paintwork had dulled. 4th yr, compressor needs to be changed. 5th yr, couldn't tahan, changed to another Vios, a dugong. Dunno how that one is doing (she's my ex). As far as she's concerned, those little issues she had with her car are part n parcel of car ownership. Nothing catastrophic that couldn't be handled. I tend to agree. And by testing handling and braking, how does that gauge quality? Thats a totally different aspect. You wanna know the meaning of quality come test drive my 2003 Vios. Despite being 8.5 yrs, the engine is still smooth, accelaration still good, no rattles anywhere in the car, the window/door seals are still in excellent conditon, suspension is still smooth with no squeeks, aircon still really strong and paintwork still shiny and nice. Thats what i call QUALITY. You have got to stop singing praises about your beloved Vios. Every frickin car (Asean, Korean, Conti or local) has issues regardless. It's how u solve it that counts. I have a feeling that whatever car u end up buying next will also end up being problem free for you. Let's just hope you buy a Kia next, they could really appreciate someone like you on board. |
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Dec 29 2011, 02:33 PM
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saw the real car today.... i must say... it's very impressive!!!
I was very tempted... but the price tag is a big let down... if only it were 10K cheaper.... |
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Dec 29 2011, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Dec 29 2011, 02:33 PM) saw the real car today.... i must say... it's very impressive!!! ei, 10k, not a lot la.I was very tempted... but the price tag is a big let down... if only it were 10K cheaper.... u less frequent eat seafood or starbuck, or iphone, then you can get it already. if u wanna buy 40k car, 10k is a lot. if you wanna buy 140k, 10k is not a lot la. |
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Dec 29 2011, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Dec 29 2011, 02:33 PM) saw the real car today.... i must say... it's very impressive!!! Hopefully they'll revise it once this first batch is sold. I'm keeping my thumbs n toes crossed too I was very tempted... but the price tag is a big let down... if only it were 10K cheaper.... |
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Dec 29 2011, 02:45 PM
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tuna, second thought, since u wan it to be 10k cheaper
why not go for sonata 2.0 high spec? at rm13xk. the panaromic roof is.......speech less. |
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Dec 29 2011, 02:48 PM
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[quote=turbocharged,Dec 29 2011, 02:39 PM]
ei, 10k, not a lot la. u less frequent eat seafood or starbuck, or iphone, then you can get it already. if u wanna buy 40k car, 10k is a lot. if you wanna buy 140k, 10k is not a lot la. By that same token, 144k for this car vs 153k for Camry 2.0G even less difference Toyota woh... Where got fight? |
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Dec 29 2011, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 29 2011, 02:48 PM) QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 29 2011, 02:39 PM) ei, 10k, not a lot la. u less frequent eat seafood or starbuck, or iphone, then you can get it already. if u wanna buy 40k car, 10k is a lot. if you wanna buy 140k, 10k is not a lot la. By that same token, 144k for this car vs 153k for Camry 2.0G even less difference Toyota woh... Where got fight? yup, u just pointed out the problem of marketing this kia M5( really looks like BMW M5) . and also, the prius is now rm139k. cheaper on the Fuel too. looking at above choice, its good for buyer This post has been edited by turbocharged: Dec 29 2011, 02:50 PM |
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Dec 29 2011, 02:56 PM
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is it available for test drive? just saw someone test driving it in bangsar telawi.
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Dec 29 2011, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 29 2011, 01:15 PM) How do you gauge quality with a 2 yr old car? If your car starts developing problems within the first 2 yrs, then its crap but if it doesnt then it doesnt mean its all good either. Parts usually start giving way after about 4 years or so. Even previous gen Spectra's generally didnt have problems within the 1st 2 yrs. Err...my relative 4 or 5 years old VIOS...sucks shit...float like a butterfly..everything looks so "chan" and worn down...so how???And by testing handling and braking, how does that gauge quality? Thats a totally different aspect. You wanna know the meaning of quality come test drive my 2003 Vios. Despite being 8.5 yrs, the engine is still smooth, accelaration still good, no rattles anywhere in the car, the window/door seals are still in excellent conditon, suspension is still smooth with no squeeks, aircon still really strong and paintwork still shiny and nice. Thats what i call QUALITY. |
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Dec 29 2011, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE(SushiBurgerX @ Dec 29 2011, 02:58 PM) Err...my relative 4 or 5 years old VIOS...sucks shit...float like a butterfly..everything looks so "chan" and worn down...so how??? suspension kong, and user error, lol |
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Dec 29 2011, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 29 2011, 02:40 PM) Hopefully they'll revise it once this first batch is sold. I'm keeping my thumbs n toes crossed too huh... 2.0 forte increase from 92k to 98k... after 1st batch finished... revise up or down...??? inspira owner more lucky than us... from 92k to 84k... This post has been edited by epo: Dec 29 2011, 03:12 PM |
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Dec 29 2011, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Dec 29 2011, 01:57 PM) booking fee can be refunded if customer canx booking? cannot lar err y not lolz...if car not yet arrive can cancel and get full refund...if arrive cancel get 80% back onli... |
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Dec 29 2011, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 29 2011, 01:15 PM) How do you gauge quality with a 2 yr old car? If your car starts developing problems within the first 2 yrs, then its crap but if it doesnt then it doesnt mean its all good either. Parts usually start giving way after about 4 years or so. Even previous gen Spectra's generally didnt have problems within the 1st 2 yrs. i dunno about u... but, my fren keep on complaining her 7 yr old vios rattle like hell.... she cant take it anymore and thinking of changing her car asap... my 7.5 yr old hyundai still running strong And by testing handling and braking, how does that gauge quality? Thats a totally different aspect. You wanna know the meaning of quality come test drive my 2003 Vios. Despite being 8.5 yrs, the engine is still smooth, accelaration still good, no rattles anywhere in the car, the window/door seals are still in excellent conditon, suspension is still smooth with no squeeks, aircon still really strong and paintwork still shiny and nice. Thats what i call QUALITY.  |
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Dec 29 2011, 03:33 PM
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You guys still living in dark ages comparing parts, look all parts nowadays come from china or taiwan, doesn't matter who is the buyer from Kia to Mercedes, all from the same factory.
Only difference is what your car maker specify, low med high quality. But the manafacturing will be the same machine same line different mould only. So saying one will last longer than the other is moot |
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Dec 29 2011, 03:34 PM
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Dec 29 2011, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Dec 29 2011, 03:32 PM) i dunno about u... but, my fren keep on complaining her 7 yr old vios rattle like hell.... she cant take it anymore and thinking of changing her car asap... my 7.5 yr old hyundai still running strong Well if u trash your car then dont expect it to last. Not sure if thats the case with your friend but ladies have the tendency to always run into potholes thus reducing the lifespan of the shock absorbers & tyres. Ive been always carefull with my car but its got about 178K mileage. |
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Dec 29 2011, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 29 2011, 01:15 PM) How do you gauge quality with a 2 yr old car? If your car starts developing problems within the first 2 yrs, then its crap but if it doesnt then it doesnt mean its all good either. Parts usually start giving way after about 4 years or so. Even previous gen Spectra's generally didnt have problems within the 1st 2 yrs. No offence bro but you're not the only one here who owns a Vios for 8+ years and it doesn't perform like what you said.And by testing handling and braking, how does that gauge quality? Thats a totally different aspect. You wanna know the meaning of quality come test drive my 2003 Vios. Despite being 8.5 yrs, the engine is still smooth, accelaration still good, no rattles anywhere in the car, the window/door seals are still in excellent conditon, suspension is still smooth with no squeeks, aircon still really strong and paintwork still shiny and nice. Thats what i call QUALITY. |
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Dec 29 2011, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Dec 29 2011, 03:34 PM) Year end car... u try ask around.. some marque year end car you get 20~25k discount.... A car which is originally priced at 92k and now giving discount as much as 9k is not ordinary year end discount. We are talking about 10% of the original car price!!This is quite a hot selling car looking at the volume sold every month since Jan'11 and there is no reason to give out such huge discount. I suspect there want to clear stock and ready for the imminent launch of another sedan model which is priced close to Inspira. |
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Dec 29 2011, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(sochaiapk @ Dec 29 2011, 03:59 PM) A car which is originally priced at 92k and now giving discount as much as 9k is not ordinary year end discount. We are talking about 10% of the original car price!! clear stock to reprice next batch inspira, new pricing strategy for the new sedan perhaps?This is quite a hot selling car looking at the volume sold every month since Jan'11 and there is no reason to give out such huge discount. I suspect there want to clear stock and ready for the imminent launch of another sedan model which is priced close to Inspira. Added on December 29, 2011, 4:29 pm QUOTE(yamasce @ Dec 29 2011, 03:23 PM) err y not lolz...if car not yet arrive can cancel and get full refund...if arrive cancel get 80% back onli... hmm, can mer? quite flexible.Added on December 29, 2011, 4:34 pm QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 29 2011, 02:45 PM) tuna, second thought, since u wan it to be 10k cheaper this K5 also got pana roof right.why not go for sonata 2.0 high spec? at rm13xk. the panaromic roof is.......speech less. rm10k treat it as investment for your car, which is a tool for you to have more opportunities... hee hee This post has been edited by stargate8: Dec 29 2011, 04:34 PM |
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Dec 29 2011, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Dec 29 2011, 04:27 PM) hmm, can mer? quite flexible. yea can do based on my experience la...but not sure if book at more than 1 branch duno HQ will burn the booking fee or not |
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Dec 29 2011, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE(sochaiapk @ Dec 29 2011, 03:59 PM) A car which is originally priced at 92k and now giving discount as much as 9k is not ordinary year end discount. We are talking about 10% of the original car price!! bro, the car since june/july already giving 5k + 3 years free service.This is quite a hot selling car looking at the volume sold every month since Jan'11 and there is no reason to give out such huge discount. I suspect there want to clear stock and ready for the imminent launch of another sedan model which is priced close to Inspira. 3 years free service also near to rm3000-4000 already. i would say, they were too optimistic on the sales forecast. you know la. |
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Dec 29 2011, 04:53 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 29 2011, 04:46 PM) bro, the car since june/july already giving 5k + 3 years free service. isn't that the promotion for 1.8 model?3 years free service also near to rm3000-4000 already. i would say, they were too optimistic on the sales forecast. you know la. unrealistic sales forecasting. |
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Dec 29 2011, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 29 2011, 04:46 PM) bro, the car since june/july already giving 5k + 3 years free service. That's what make me couldn't think of the reason, why they are giving such a good discount and freebies since few months back. Normally this sort of discount is for outgoing model or those which not selling well isn't it?3 years free service also near to rm3000-4000 already. i would say, they were too optimistic on the sales forecast. you know la. Is actually one of my shortlisted buying option but the discount just getting better and better which give me the impression that an exciting proton model is going to be launched soon. Perhaps a sedan with turbo engine ?  |
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Dec 29 2011, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Dec 29 2011, 04:53 PM) isn't that the promotion for 1.8 model? discount across all models,unrealistic sales forecasting. well you know, they scrw up 80% of the time. when they dont scrw up the car design, they scrw up the forecast, lol. |
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Dec 29 2011, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE(yamasce @ Dec 29 2011, 04:42 PM) yea can do based on my experience la...but not sure if book at more than 1 branch duno HQ will burn the booking fee or not no need to place 2 bookingscounter it by telling them if car unable to deliver within 3months, give me more discounts. |
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Dec 29 2011, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Dec 29 2011, 04:55 PM) no need to place 2 bookings i know...i'm asking for my bro..alrdy paid booking fee at 2 branches...duno will refund or not nowcounter it by telling them if car unable to deliver within 3months, give me more discounts. |
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Dec 29 2011, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE(yamasce @ Dec 29 2011, 05:15 PM) i know...i'm asking for my bro..alrdy paid booking fee at 2 branches...duno will refund or not now aiya, u already paid, nvm lar, treat it as charity. lolbuy lottery for ur new car, may end up striking jackpot |
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Dec 29 2011, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Dec 29 2011, 04:46 PM) i would say, they were too optimistic on the sales forecast. you know la. in conjunction with m'sia mentality is to buy a car which has a higher sales value...QUOTE(sochaiapk @ Dec 29 2011, 04:55 PM) Normally this sort of discount is for outgoing model or those which not selling well isn't it? QUOTE(keeting89 @ Dec 29 2011, 11:00 AM) It is Naza strategy la.. rip the money from hardcore fanboys 1st.. which one is better...?lt later on put on huge discount on past slow moving model.. put on huge discount on past slow moving model OR current fast moving model...? QUOTE(sochaiapk @ Dec 29 2011, 04:55 PM) Perhaps a sedan with turbo engine ? turbo can use RON95 ? if yes maybe, if RON97, they better keep that car for use during endurance race only... |
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Dec 29 2011, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE(epo @ Dec 29 2011, 05:34 PM) in conjunction with m'sia mentality is to buy a car which has a higher sales value... RON95 can be used with a turbo engine, why not? It's all a matter of factory tuning. All the Golfs, Passat CCs etc all can run on RON95 wat. Even the new Exora CFE can run on RON95. Not so powderful la, that's all...which one is better...? put on huge discount on past slow moving model OR current fast moving model...? turbo can use RON95 ? if yes maybe, if RON97, they better keep that car for use during endurance race only... |
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Dec 29 2011, 05:56 PM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 29 2011, 05:44 PM) RON95 can be used with a turbo engine, why not? It's all a matter of factory tuning. All the Golfs, Passat CCs etc all can run on RON95 wat. Even the new Exora CFE can run on RON95. Not so powderful la, that's all... will the engine be tuned by default to use low grade petrol, for new car coming to msia? |
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Dec 29 2011, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Dec 29 2011, 05:56 PM) will the engine be tuned by default to use low grade petrol, for new car coming to msia? Of course, unless it's specified by the manufacturer that you must use RON97 or higher, like the Civic Type R running on factory tune. My fren went and detuned his CTR cos beh tahan the fuel price lol... |
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Dec 29 2011, 06:10 PM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Dec 29 2011, 06:02 PM) Of course, unless it's specified by the manufacturer that you must use RON97 or higher, like the Civic Type R running on factory tune. My fren went and detuned his CTR cos beh tahan the fuel price lol... lol, a bottle 1.5L of 100plus cost 2.80-3.00car drink petrol same as drinking 100plus, sigh donno ron95 1.90 till when. but i think still worth it lar if ron97 rm3.00 compare with lousy public transportation. This post has been edited by stargate8: Jan 1 2012, 05:15 AM |
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Dec 31 2011, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE(xVince @ Dec 29 2011, 03:57 PM) No offence bro but you're not the only one here who owns a Vios for 8+ years and it doesn't perform like what you said. Read my post again. I was refering to MY car. If you have a bad experience with your Vios of the same batch then u have to re-examine your own use of the vehicle as most of the problems with Vios were in the newer generation model. But there are horror stories for all makes even Porsche mind you. But Toyota will not be No 1 non national car in Malaysia if it was plagued with quality issues & was unreliable. Malaysians arent stupid. They may not be easily taken in by specs but quality, reliability and after sales service rank very high.This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Dec 31 2011, 09:56 AM |
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Dec 31 2011, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Dec 29 2011, 03:57 PM) Well if u trash your car then dont expect it to last. Not sure if thats the case with your friend but ladies have the tendency to always run into potholes thus reducing the lifespan of the shock absorbers & tyres. Ive been always carefull with my car but its got about 178K mileage. very well said by yourself.... its all depend how you drive and how u trash ur car.... so whats the point of bragging vios has better reliability where there is no common base to measure...... all this arguement r pointlesss.... |
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Dec 31 2011, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Dec 29 2011, 04:27 PM) clear stock to reprice next batch inspira, new pricing strategy for the new sedan perhaps? Aiya, where got such thing as investment when it comes to cars that are priced at surplus of 100k....Added on December 29, 2011, 4:29 pm hmm, can mer? quite flexible. Added on December 29, 2011, 4:34 pm this K5 also got pana roof right. rm10k treat it as investment for your car, which is a tool for you to have more opportunities... hee hee And i somehowbfeel the sonata front grill looks cacat... The back v nice tho! Even better than elantra! |
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Dec 31 2011, 10:02 PM
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Seems like Naza killed Optima... DOA!
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Jan 1 2012, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(PalmoAnest @ Dec 31 2011, 03:02 PM) Seems like Naza killed Optima... DOA! Damn right! Time will tell. |
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Jan 2 2012, 12:28 AM
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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Dec 31 2011, 03:57 PM) very well said by yourself.... its all depend how you drive and how u trash ur car.... so whats the point of bragging vios has better reliability where there is no common base to measure...... all this arguement r pointlesss.... The key word here is DURABILITY. Some cars fare better despite being trashed while others dont. And not everything can be thrashed in order to determine durability. How do you trash an aircon, door seals, power windows, lights, plastics, etc? U can't really do that no matter how hard u try. But these parts lasted too in my case. So what's your common base here then? Btw, nobody bragged. Go read my posts again in case u find it hard to determine the difference between facts & mere empty talk. Just cuz u prefer ppl to have a poor image of Toyota doesnt mean that reflects the truth. I aint the only one who has had a good experience with Toyota. Last time i checked there were approx 4 mil Toyota owners in the world. And despite my good experience with Toyota, im still open to the options of changing stables. Btw, none of my posts are pointless. Cheers! |
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Jan 2 2012, 02:12 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 2 2012, 12:28 AM) The key word here is DURABILITY. Some cars fare better despite being trashed while others dont. And not everything can be thrashed in order to determine durability. How do you trash an aircon, door seals, power windows, lights, plastics, etc? U can't really do that no matter how hard u try. But these parts lasted too in my case. So what's your common base here then? but u cant really proof durability bcos ur car still lasting for 8.5years right... my hyundai still goin strong after 7.5 yrs... so how to compare??Btw, nobody bragged. Go read my posts again in case u find it hard to determine the difference between facts & mere empty talk. Just cuz u prefer ppl to have a poor image of Toyota doesnt mean that reflects the truth. I aint the only one who has had a good experience with Toyota. Last time i checked there were approx 4 mil Toyota owners in the world. And despite my good experience with Toyota, im still open to the options of changing stables. Btw, none of my posts are pointless. Cheers! of cos toyota has bigger share around the world... it has been establish for so long and it is impossible to change everyone mindset in a short period.... |
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Jan 2 2012, 10:27 AM
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Hi, i'm going to book one Optima soon. Is there any promotions or packages out there?
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QUOTE(JuneSeptember @ Jan 2 2012, 10:27 AM) Hi, i'm going to book one Optima soon. Is there any promotions or packages out there? Dont make the mistake of booking a 2011 model. Korean makes have poor resale value. Getting a 2011 model now will mean an automatic RM20K loss before the car leaves the showroom. Just be patient and wait for the 2012 models. The salesmen will always say 2012 models will only come by March/April but im quite sure it will come latest early Feb. They just wanna push off old stocks. |
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Jan 4 2012, 01:18 PM
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Doesnt seem to be much interest in the Optima. How are sales so far in terms of confirmed bookings?
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Jan 4 2012, 02:53 PM
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150 bookings since launched
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Jan 4 2012, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE(aquaria87 @ Jan 4 2012, 02:53 PM) 150 bookings since launched This is really disappointing............If the price is right, i guess the booking will easily doubled..... If they priced it correctly, at least for the next few years, they will be more optima on the road, and with that, more spare parts, more reviews, more recommendation, more confidence, more acceptance, and when the next generation kicks in, or even next facelift kicks in, they can increase the price to be in par with T&H....... ai.........naza naza.......... remember that optima client group is different from forte, and you cant just bank on forte success to start whack the price on optima.... |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 2 2012, 12:21 PM) Dont make the mistake of booking a 2011 model. Korean makes have poor resale value. Getting a 2011 model now will mean an automatic RM20K loss before the car leaves the showroom. Just be patient and wait for the 2012 models. The salesmen will always say 2012 models will only come by March/April but im quite sure it will come latest early Feb. They just wanna push off old stocks. U r right. I can see the launching showroom has not completely revonate but they have already rushing to lauch this car last week! The only motive is to clear off the 2011 stock. It is not the good idea to launch at end of December except if facelift model. |
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QUOTE(JuneSeptember @ Jan 2 2012, 10:27 AM) Hi, i'm going to book one Optima soon. Is there any promotions or packages out there? Bro, speaking from experience and monitoring NAZA's pricing strategy for their old Optima models, I would suggest to wait and make NAZA realize they've overpriced their Optima. Why? Here's some fact and figures...1) 2003 Kia Optima model (pre-facelift) - Selling at MYR125k - MYR135k, if not mistaken 2) 2005 Kia Optima model (facelifted) - Selling at MYR115k (But, some dealers are able to offer MYR15k discounts and plus some more incentives pushing the OTR price to MYR98k) 3) Last batch of above models - Selling at MYR88k 4) 2008 Kia Optima model (just launched) - Selling at MYR115k 5) 2009 Kia Optima model (halfway through lifespan) - Selling at MYR100k 6) 2010 Kia Optima model (last batch, clear stock) - Selling at MYR88k So you can imagine what's going to happen to your car's value if you're the 1st batch owners.Wait bro, be patient. Believe you already have a car, so what's the rush? Besides, it's almost time for Kia to update (face-lift) their Optima model worldwide. |
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Jan 6 2012, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE(DSV4600 @ Jan 5 2012, 06:51 PM) Bro, speaking from experience and monitoring NAZA's pricing strategy for their old Optima models, I would suggest to wait and make NAZA realize they've overpriced their Optima. Why? Here's some fact and figures... Bro, i guess we can't use the last model to compare, it was alright, but not good enough to compete with T&H. But the current model is very tempting IMHO, and rather competitive in terms of design, gadgets and tech level so there's little reasons for NAZA to bow down. Unless, off course, T&H submits to pressure and start a price war (which is unlikely). Another good example is Forte, which never had any price discount and i reckon it is still selling pretty well.1) 2003 Kia Optima model (pre-facelift) - Selling at MYR125k - MYR135k, if not mistaken 2) 2005 Kia Optima model (facelifted) - Selling at MYR115k (But, some dealers are able to offer MYR15k discounts and plus some more incentives pushing the OTR price to MYR98k) 3) Last batch of above models - Selling at MYR88k 4) 2008 Kia Optima model (just launched) - Selling at MYR115k 5) 2009 Kia Optima model (halfway through lifespan) - Selling at MYR100k 6) 2010 Kia Optima model (last batch, clear stock) - Selling at MYR88k So you can imagine what's going to happen to your car's value if you're the 1st batch owners.Wait bro, be patient. Believe you already have a car, so what's the rush? Besides, it's almost time for Kia to update (face-lift) their Optima model worldwide. Besides, based on the information that you've provided above, the depreciation seem reasonable, which is roughly 11% per annum. I think I might go ahead. After all, i kinda need another car now, so i can't wait for the price to drop in 1-2years' time. Now i wonder if there are any good deals out there. |
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Jan 6 2012, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE(JuneSeptember @ Jan 6 2012, 03:39 PM) Bro, i guess we can't use the last model to compare, it was alright, but not good enough to compete with T&H. But the current model is very tempting IMHO, and rather competitive in terms of design, gadgets and tech level so there's little reasons for NAZA to bow down. Unless, off course, T&H submits to pressure and start a price war (which is unlikely). Another good example is Forte, which never had any price discount and i reckon it is still selling pretty well. just go ahead.Besides, based on the information that you've provided above, the depreciation seem reasonable, which is roughly 11% per annum. I think I might go ahead. After all, i kinda need another car now, so i can't wait for the price to drop in 1-2years' time. Now i wonder if there are any good deals out there. wait for tomorrow? what if tomorrow never comes? |
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Jan 6 2012, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 6 2012, 03:40 PM) just go ahead. wait for tomorrow? what if tomorrow never comes? |
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QUOTE(JuneSeptember @ Jan 6 2012, 03:39 PM) Another good example is Forte, which never had any price discount and i reckon it is still selling pretty well. Ure wrong. There's a big difference between the Forte and the Optima. The Forte was priced very well. It was way below its competition with superior specs. Plus the car had a good design and interior. You can say it was the almost perfect blend of criterias to make good sales. And it did have some decent sales which would have been better if not for Kia's after sales service & resale value. The Optima on the other hand is coming in at a high price. It has the other criteria's but ultimately its the price thats gonna determine its success. And im quite sure, Naza will introduce some FOC goodies in the near future to boost sales when it starts to stagnate. The Kia Facebook page is starting to become quiet now after the initial euphoria. So my advice to you is to wait just a few more months to gauge the perfomance of the car. Let the initial heat cool down. Wait for test drive units to come, test the car yourself and let some professionals test and come out with reports. After that make your decision. Dont rush into it trying to be among the first to put the car on the road. Sometimes that initial wow factor may not be worth it in the long run. Im also seriously considering this car so we're kinda in the same boat. Just my 2 cents. |
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Jan 6 2012, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(JuneSeptember @ Jan 6 2012, 03:39 PM) Bro, i guess we can't use the last model to compare, it was alright, but not good enough to compete with T&H. But the current model is very tempting IMHO, and rather competitive in terms of design, gadgets and tech level so there's little reasons for NAZA to bow down. Unless, off course, T&H submits to pressure and start a price war (which is unlikely). Another good example is Forte, which never had any price discount and i reckon it is still selling pretty well. Your comparison with Forte is wrong... I think you're assuming that Forte's competition is Vios and City.Besides, based on the information that you've provided above, the depreciation seem reasonable, which is roughly 11% per annum. I think I might go ahead. After all, i kinda need another car now, so i can't wait for the price to drop in 1-2years' time. Now i wonder if there are any good deals out there. It's actual competitors are Inspira / Lancer, Civic, Altis. So, it's actually lower priced compared to it's own segment competition. Anyway, your money, your decision. Hope you enjoy your car! |
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Jan 6 2012, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 6 2012, 09:20 AM) Ure wrong. There's a big difference between the Forte and the Optima. The Forte was priced very well. It was way below its competition with superior specs. Plus the car had a good design and interior. You can say it was the almost perfect blend of criterias to make good sales. And it did have some decent sales which would have been better if not for Kia's after sales service & resale value. the optima is not 'new', there are already plenty of reviews of the car overseas and generally they are very goodThe Optima on the other hand is coming in at a high price. It has the other criteria's but ultimately its the price thats gonna determine its success. And im quite sure, Naza will introduce some FOC goodies in the near future to boost sales when it starts to stagnate. The Kia Facebook page is starting to become quiet now after the initial euphoria. So my advice to you is to wait just a few more months to gauge the perfomance of the car. Let the initial heat cool down. Wait for test drive units to come, test the car yourself and let some professionals test and come out with reports. After that make your decision. Dont rush into it trying to be among the first to put the car on the road. Sometimes that initial wow factor may not be worth it in the long run. Im also seriously considering this car so we're kinda in the same boat. Just my 2 cents. |
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Jan 6 2012, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 6 2012, 06:46 PM) the optima is not 'new', there are already plenty of reviews of the car overseas and generally they are very good Overseas market is a different ballgame. Cars are priced competitively, and their resale values are almost similar.Here, T&H dominate in terms of resale value. Also, in global markets, Hyundais are always priced higher than Kias, as it's the premium brand, while the latter is the value brand. |
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Jan 6 2012, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE(DSV4600 @ Jan 6 2012, 12:51 PM) Overseas market is a different ballgame. Cars are priced competitively, and their resale values are almost similar. Price how to compare with malaysia of course, what i mean is the technical aspects of the car, just the car itself just evaluate the car objectivelyHere, T&H dominate in terms of resale value. Also, in global markets, Hyundais are always priced higher than Kias, as it's the premium brand, while the latter is the value brand. If the reviews are really good and they beat the japs and in malaysia is cheaper than the japs also it means it's a lot of car for your money. This post has been edited by rcracer: Jan 6 2012, 09:32 PM |
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Jan 6 2012, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 6 2012, 04:20 PM) Ure wrong. There's a big difference between the Forte and the Optima. The Forte was priced very well. It was way below its competition with superior specs. Plus the car had a good design and interior. You can say it was the almost perfect blend of criterias to make good sales. And it did have some decent sales which would have been better if not for Kia's after sales service & resale value. The Optima on the other hand is coming in at a high price. It has the other criteria's but ultimately its the price thats gonna determine its success. And im quite sure, Naza will introduce some FOC goodies in the near future to boost sales when it starts to stagnate. The Kia Facebook page is starting to become quiet now after the initial euphoria. So my advice to you is to wait just a few more months to gauge the perfomance of the car. Let the initial heat cool down. Wait for test drive units to come, test the car yourself and let some professionals test and come out with reports. After that make your decision. Dont rush into it trying to be among the first to put the car on the road. Sometimes that initial wow factor may not be worth it in the long run. Im also seriously considering this car so we're kinda in the same boat. Just my 2 cents. QUOTE(DSV4600 @ Jan 6 2012, 04:27 PM) Your comparison with Forte is wrong... I think you're assuming that Forte's competition is Vios and City. Actually, i do agree that the car is a little expensive. I was expecting 135-140k. However, i've made some comparisons among similarly priced cars and concluded that none of these vehicles offer the size or trim level found in the new Optima, eg. VW Golf, Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, VW Jetta, 2nd hand Audi A4 (the maintenance cost for this car seems scary). Furthermore, can we reasonably expect NAZA Kia to cut the price of a newly launched flagship model by 10-15k within a year? unlikely i reckon. Also, from what i observed, Kia is working really hard to churn out extra units from their factories to meet global demands (as a result, they don't really bother with your preferred choice of color, and Kia would randomly pack anything they have into the container and ship it out to Malaysia, it's like take it or leave it). I think the price is ok la, 4-5k extra over Sonata and the kosong Honda Accord for the handsome exterior design is worth it IMHO. It's actual competitors are Inspira / Lancer, Civic, Altis. So, it's actually lower priced compared to it's own segment competition. Anyway, your money, your decision. Hope you enjoy your car! |
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Jan 7 2012, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(JuneSeptember @ Jan 6 2012, 11:31 PM) Actually, i do agree that the car is a little expensive. I was expecting 135-140k. However, i've made some comparisons among similarly priced cars and concluded that none of these vehicles offer the size or trim level found in the new Optima, eg. VW Golf, Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, VW Jetta, 2nd hand Audi A4 (the maintenance cost for this car seems scary). Furthermore, can we reasonably expect NAZA Kia to cut the price of a newly launched flagship model by 10-15k within a year? unlikely i reckon. Also, from what i observed, Kia is working really hard to churn out extra units from their factories to meet global demands (as a result, they don't really bother with your preferred choice of color, and Kia would randomly pack anything they have into the container and ship it out to Malaysia, it's like take it or leave it). I think the price is ok la, 4-5k extra over Sonata and the kosong Honda Accord for the handsome exterior design is worth it IMHO. But spec wise the Optima is behind the Peugeot 508 but surely much better than the Camry/Accord/Jetta and Passat 1.8. Interior design of the 508 is the best among the lot. Very luxurious. The interior of the Optima doesnt suit its exterior. Very nice and sleek on the outisde but rather dull on the inside. European flair. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 7 2012, 09:21 AM |
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Jan 7 2012, 09:29 AM
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touching this kind of cars can cry one
a 5 month forte 2.0 trade in by dealer is only rm60K ... but seller wans rm90K so funny no value also |
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Jan 7 2012, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE(samquah @ Jan 7 2012, 09:29 AM) touching this kind of cars can cry one Dealer is taking advantage of the past korean car history. They buy the car at low value but sure will sell them much higher.a 5 month forte 2.0 trade in by dealer is only rm60K ... but seller wans rm90K so funny no value also I am happy to take a 5 month forte 2.0 at 75k if you ask me. In fact there is one currently advetised on mudah at very attractive price. But the colour is not my preferred and i want to wait for Elantra to launch first before deciding. |
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Jan 7 2012, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE(samquah @ Jan 7 2012, 09:29 AM) touching this kind of cars can cry one Cos he still owe bank 90k bcos interest included.a 5 month forte 2.0 trade in by dealer is only rm60K ... but seller wans rm90K so funny no value also |
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Jan 7 2012, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 7 2012, 09:20 AM) But spec wise the Optima is behind the Peugeot 508 but surely much better than the Camry/Accord/Jetta and Passat 1.8. Interior design of the 508 is the best among the lot. Very luxurious. The interior of the Optima doesnt suit its exterior. Very nice and sleek on the outisde but rather dull on the inside. European flair. QUOTE(samquah @ Jan 7 2012, 09:29 AM) touching this kind of cars can cry one In my opinion, don't be bothered too much pertaining to the resale value. After 4-5years the resale value difference is probably 10-15k (only my guess-timate, something like jap car 50k, korean car 35k) between the Jap and Korean car, which is not really a big amount for a person who's buying a 140-150k vehicle. Besides, if you could afford a 150k vehicle right now, 5yrs down the road you could be doing even better then, you'll probably ignore the difference. So if you like it, why not just buy it and enjoy the ride? Well, i'm driving a kenari right now, so longer i delay my decision, the longer i'll have to suffer in my washing machine on wheels (i love my kenari for its versatility but i'm getting old and i long for a more comfortable car a 5 month forte 2.0 trade in by dealer is only rm60K ... but seller wans rm90K so funny no value also )What really bothers me right now is the selling price, would they give hefty discounts 6mth to a year later? Am I being cheated if i buy it now? Any wise man out there can answer my question??? |
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Jan 7 2012, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE(JuneSeptember @ Jan 7 2012, 12:53 PM) In my opinion, don't be bothered too much pertaining to the resale value. After 4-5years the resale value difference is probably 10-15k (only my guess-timate, something like jap car 50k, korean car 35k) between the Jap and Korean car, which is not really a big amount for a person who's buying a 140-150k vehicle. Besides, if you could afford a 150k vehicle right now, 5yrs down the road you could be doing even better then, you'll probably ignore the difference. So if you like it, why not just buy it and enjoy the ride? Well, i'm driving a kenari right now, so longer i delay my decision, the longer i'll have to suffer in my washing machine on wheels (i love my kenari for its versatility but i'm getting old and i long for a more comfortable car I think the difference is much bigger. Let me give u an example: )What really bothers me right now is the selling price, would they give hefty discounts 6mth to a year later? Am I being cheated if i buy it now? Any wise man out there can answer my question??? 2003 Hyundai Sonata 2.0L original purchase price approx RM 110K current selling price RM25K (77% loss in resale value) 2003 Toyota Vios 1.5L purchase price RM74,700 current selling price RM 41K (45% loss in resale value) I know its not an ideal example since its a different segment but its just to give you an idea. Sorry to bring up the Vios again. |
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Jan 7 2012, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 7 2012, 06:45 AM) I think the difference is much bigger. Let me give u an example: Koreans pre 2008 are the worst horrible rubbish ever produced second to the Chinese. They deserve the low price.2003 Hyundai Sonata 2.0L original purchase price approx RM 110K current selling price RM25K (77% loss in resale value) 2003 Toyota Vios 1.5L purchase price RM74,700 current selling price RM 41K (45% loss in resale value) I know its not an ideal example since its a different segment but its just to give you an idea. Sorry to bring up the Vios again. But since then they have improved so much even exceeding the Japan in quality and technology and styling. The vios at 74k in it's time was also pure cheap plastic push around type of car that isn't worth of that price. On that level both were overpriced and both rubbish |
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Jan 7 2012, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 7 2012, 04:15 PM) Koreans pre 2008 are the worst horrible rubbish ever produced second to the Chinese. They deserve the low price. Nobody is talking bout quality, specs, trim levels or your perception of both cars. We are taking mainly about RESALE VALUES. Stick to the point please. But since then they have improved so much even exceeding the Japan in quality and technology and styling. The vios at 74k in it's time was also pure cheap plastic push around type of car that isn't worth of that price. On that level both were overpriced and both rubbish My point is, resale values will improve with the newer generation cars but to expect the difference to be only 10-15K is a tad over the top. Might happen in say 10 years if the Japs continue their stagnation but surely not now. Btw, that so called 'cheap plastic' car called the Vios doesnt have a squeek or rattle despite being 8.5 yrs old. |
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Jan 7 2012, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 7 2012, 09:59 AM) Nobody is talking bout quality, specs, trim levels or your perception of both cars. We are taking mainly about RESALE VALUES. Stick to the point please. resale is largely affected by the quality of the product, the old sonata were very well known for extremely poor quality.My point is, resale values will improve with the newer generation cars but to expect the difference to be only 10-15K is a tad over the top. Might happen in say 10 years if the Japs continue their stagnation but surely not now. Btw, that so called 'cheap plastic' car called the Vios doesnt have a squeek or rattle despite being 8.5 yrs old. The new ones are very high quality hence the quality does play a role in resale and now the resale of the new kia won't dip as low as the old ones |
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Jan 7 2012, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 7 2012, 04:15 PM) Koreans pre 2008 are the worst horrible rubbish ever produced second to the Chinese. They deserve the low price. But since then they have improved so much even exceeding the Japan in quality and technology and styling. The vios at 74k in it's time was also pure cheap plastic push around type of car that isn't worth of that price. On that level both were overpriced and both rubbish QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 7 2012, 05:37 PM) resale is largely affected by the quality of the product, the old sonata were very well known for extremely poor quality. I must say i agree with RCRACER's points. The old sonata/optima were so hopeless that i'd rather drive a MYVI, thus, the resale value then were horrible.The new ones are very high quality hence the quality does play a role in resale and now the resale of the new kia won't dip as low as the old ones Only time will tell how the current generation would perform in terms of resale value but i guess the new Hyundai Sonata is doing not too bad currently. |
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Jan 7 2012, 05:47 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 7 2012, 05:37 PM) resale is largely affected by the quality of the product, the old sonata were very well known for extremely poor quality. The new ones are very high quality hence the quality does play a role in resale and now the resale of the new kia won't dip as low as the old ones The new ones are very high quality? Are u sure? Dont confuse design and specs with quality. Even the newer Toyota's have more problems compared to the older models. The main factor affecting resale value is DEMAND. Demand comes from a range of criteria e.g quality, durability, after sales service standards, price and specs. Quality alone has little standing. Demand of the current Korean models are better for sure and resale value will be better than previous models. But how much better is the question here. Time will tell. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 7 2012, 05:48 PM |
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Jan 7 2012, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 7 2012, 05:47 PM) The new ones are very high quality? Are u sure? Dont confuse design and specs with quality. Even the newer Toyota's have more problems compared to the older models. Quality is acceptable loh. I've checked out the new Passat, now, that is high quality but off course it is 30k more lah while giving you less. I've compared the Accord and Sonata a while ago, Sonata is just a little behind the Accord, but other factors like spec and trimmings also count lah.The main factor affecting resale value is DEMAND. Demand comes from a range of criteria e.g quality, durability, after sales service standards, price and specs. Quality alone has little standing. Demand of the current Korean models are better for sure and resale value will be better than previous models. But how much better is the question here. Time will tell. |
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Jan 7 2012, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 7 2012, 10:47 AM) The new ones are very high quality? Are u sure? Dont confuse design and specs with quality. Even the newer Toyota's have more problems compared to the older models. Quality of the koreans, yes, it's very high, even the germans themselves are surprised, if the CEO of VW has to check himself the koreans, it means they have an idea of what they are doing.The main factor affecting resale value is DEMAND. Demand comes from a range of criteria e.g quality, durability, after sales service standards, price and specs. Quality alone has little standing. Demand of the current Korean models are better for sure and resale value will be better than previous models. But how much better is the question here. Time will tell. And now with koreans offering even up to 7 years warranty on their cars, who wants to sell theirs after 2 years? Unless forced sale, so these will drive the resale value up because supply will be much much less than demand with long warranties on cars. If the japs can't offer the same warranty, their cars instead will flood the market and drive pricing down |
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Jan 7 2012, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 7 2012, 06:45 AM) I think the difference is much bigger. Let me give u an example: Only idiot like you would pay RM41k for a 8 yrs old sh*t old banger.2003 Hyundai Sonata 2.0L original purchase price approx RM 110K current selling price RM25K (77% loss in resale value) 2003 Toyota Vios 1.5L purchase price RM74,700 current selling price RM 41K (45% loss in resale value) I know its not an ideal example since its a different segment but its just to give you an idea. Sorry to bring up the Vios again. Very very old fashion thinking. Open your mind mate there's more than just Vios out there. Btw I'm a Toyota owner. |
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Jan 7 2012, 09:39 PM
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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Jan 7 2012, 08:43 PM) Only idiot like you would pay RM41k for a 8 yrs old sh*t old banger. Willing buyer, willing seller, not good to call him an idiot because you'll group quite big portion of Malaysian population into the idiot category. Very very old fashion thinking. Open your mind mate there's more than just Vios out there. Btw I'm a Toyota owner. |
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Jan 7 2012, 09:42 PM
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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Jan 7 2012, 08:43 PM) Only idiot like you would pay RM41k for a 8 yrs old sh*t old banger. yes, better buy new myvi or saga. at least its brand new. Very very old fashion thinking. Open your mind mate there's more than just Vios out there. Btw I'm a Toyota owner. but, i think second hand car dealers also needs to be blamed on this. |
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Jan 7 2012, 10:57 PM
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dont call people idiot, he just give an example only...wise man never call one stupid or idiot.
most used car dealer are those who only sell car in demand and those demand was due to the perception of quality car of T and H in the past. anyway, no matter what, if u looking for a car, look for the one that you are happy with, if you got the bucks doesn't matter jap or korean cars, you can afford to buy another one debating like this never end.This post has been edited by stargate8: Jan 7 2012, 11:01 PM |
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Jan 8 2012, 01:38 AM
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Jan 7 2012, 03:57 PM) dont call people idiot, he just give an example only...wise man never call one stupid or idiot. Well said mate! I'm no wise man, they dont do sensitive over here. I always complain, complain & complain more untill I get result. That's how the west work.most used car dealer are those who only sell car in demand and those demand was due to the perception of quality car of T and H in the past. anyway, no matter what, if u looking for a car, look for the one that you are happy with, if you got the bucks doesn't matter jap or korean cars, you can afford to buy another one debating like this never end.I guess my dad is in the idiot clan too lol. But he's over 60 said it all isn't it? |
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Jan 8 2012, 05:49 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 7 2012, 01:45 PM) I think the difference is much bigger. Let me give u an example: Bro, you can't take two different segments to validate your statement. A young man starting out is highly unlikely to consider an old D-segment for various reasons, including high FC, high maintenance costs, higher road tax and an uncle image, among other things. A cheaper to maintain C or B segment car is more suited to them. As such, D segment cars tend to depreciate more than a B or C segment car. And, once you see the rough calculations I did below, it will change a lot of perceptions. I must admit I too was shocked at the results. Do indulge me:2003 Hyundai Sonata 2.0L original purchase price approx RM 110K current selling price RM25K (77% loss in resale value) 2003 Toyota Vios 1.5L purchase price RM74,700 current selling price RM 41K (45% loss in resale value) I know its not an ideal example since its a different segment but its just to give you an idea. Sorry to bring up the Vios again. Let's compare the following D segment cars: 2003 Camry 2.0 (the big backside model) New price = RM140k 2003 Sonata 2.0 New price = RM110K 2003 Camry 2.0 now = RM55k 2003 Sonata 2.0 now = RM25k Camry's residual value = (55/140) x 100 = 39.28%, depreciation = 60.72% or RM85k Sonata's residual value = (25/110) x 100 = 22.73%, depreciation = 77.27% or RM85k So at the end of the day, what does it tell you? If you take away the percentages and other figures and look at the bottomline, both cars lost RM85k over a span of 9 yrs, or a flatline depreciation of RM9,444 per annum. |
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Jan 8 2012, 11:22 AM
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Most of the time if u plan to owned a car more than 5 year u can think less about the resale value.. Though this is not really applicable to Malaysian where majority loan taken are 7 to 9 years... So u want to get loan more than 5 years the resale value is quite important becoz sometimes this ppl tangan gatal after 5 years want change car n found out their car even after selling still owned the bank money n dun have money to paid for new car dp
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Jan 8 2012, 11:27 AM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Jan 8 2012, 11:22 AM) Most of the time if u plan to owned a car more than 5 year u can think less about the resale value.. Though this is not really applicable to Malaysian where majority loan taken are 7 to 9 years... So u want to get loan more than 5 years the resale value is quite important becoz sometimes this ppl tangan gatal after 5 years want change car n found out their car even after selling still owned the bank money n dun have money to paid for new car dp if u pay 5 /7 years loan, u can change car around half of your loan tenure, when you have a good resale value car.9 years, forget about it, anytime you sell you need to pay bank 1st. |
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Jan 8 2012, 04:14 PM
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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Jan 7 2012, 08:43 PM) Only idiot like you would pay RM41k for a 8 yrs old sh*t old banger. U have a problem understanding English? I am already an owner. Im NOT looking to buy a 2nd hand Vios. I think ure the idiot to assume so. Next time read properly before responding. If u still cant understand then refrain from responding before you embarass yourself by making silly remarks. This thread is for mature adults. Kids like you should look for Disney forums. Very very old fashion thinking. Open your mind mate there's more than just Vios out there. Btw I'm a Toyota owner. |
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Jan 8 2012, 04:17 PM
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I had another look at the Optima today. I may be mistaken but the leather seats on the Forte seem more comfortable and feels much better than the ones on the Optima. Does anybody know why?
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Jan 8 2012, 05:52 PM
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the optima leather may be not run in yet, a few time polish and moisturize may help. but i feel optima seat is much more comfortable compare to forte
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Jan 9 2012, 12:10 PM
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QUOTE(sonyman @ Jan 8 2012, 05:52 PM) the optima leather may be not run in yet, a few time polish and moisturize may help. but i feel optima seat is much more comfortable compare to forte Im comparing between 2 brand new cars. Try sitting in the Forte then jump over to the Optima immediately. Ull notice the difference. Even the 508's seats are better than the Optima. I would like to know what kind of leather the Optima uses as compared to the Forte or 508. |
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Jan 9 2012, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 9 2012, 12:10 PM) Im comparing between 2 brand new cars. Try sitting in the Forte then jump over to the Optima immediately. Ull notice the difference. Even the 508's seats are better than the Optima. I would like to know what kind of leather the Optima uses as compared to the Forte or 508. I find the optima seats more comfortable too. |
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Jan 10 2012, 05:48 PM
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I find the Optima has far better specs than even the Nissan Teana 2.0L Luxury.
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Jan 10 2012, 06:46 PM
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nice car...
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Jan 11 2012, 08:49 AM
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QUOTE(tiganasfx @ Jan 9 2012, 02:05 PM) I find the optima seats more comfortable too. i agreed. i'm comparing with my fren's forte.This post has been edited by figure8: Jan 11 2012, 08:49 AM |
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Jan 11 2012, 09:20 AM
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QUOTE(figure8 @ Jan 11 2012, 08:49 AM) i agreed. i'm comparing with my fren's forte. Is it the new Forte? |
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Jan 11 2012, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 11 2012, 09:20 AM) Is it the new Forte? nope. 1st batch forte.. |
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Jan 11 2012, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE(figure8 @ Jan 11 2012, 07:46 PM) nope. 1st batch forte.. Didnt the facelift version have better leather seats? |
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Jan 12 2012, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 11 2012, 08:40 PM) Didnt the facelift version have better leather seats? Bro, why so particular about car seats one ? You buying car or some massage chair Buying a car is never an investment, if you r looking for investment better buy house bro. I've seen you in few threads already. If got money bro, just go for it. If looking for the perfect car, you will never find it. Every car has its positive & negative. Buy the one with more positives, the one you can afford & the one you are happy to be driving in For me, K5 might be slightly expensive for Kia brand, but it compensates with features provided. The cars nearby to this range are no match for K5. |
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Jan 12 2012, 09:52 PM
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you can always install massage chair into ur car lol...
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Jan 12 2012, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(DAVE008 @ Jan 12 2012, 08:31 PM) Bro, why so particular about car seats one ? You buying car or some massage chair Agree. but, when buy a car, you also buy the whole package. which means, the services, the spare parts availability, etc etc. Buying a car is never an investment, if you r looking for investment better buy house bro. I've seen you in few threads already. If got money bro, just go for it. If looking for the perfect car, you will never find it. Every car has its positive & negative. Buy the one with more positives, the one you can afford & the one you are happy to be driving in For me, K5 might be slightly expensive for Kia brand, but it compensates with features provided. The cars nearby to this range are no match for K5. I also want to place a booking, but rethink..... kia services? sucks.... this price, is on higher side, which also means, likely low sales. When low sales, do you expect spare parts to be available to the level we want? and, with low sales, I would expect the competency level of the technician to be low too........ I am not concern at all the resale value, but others.... made me think twice. and, just look at what happen after the launch? this thread is almost silent, the showroom having the same response too......even the SA that I chat with, come with much lower tone now.... despite the fact that K5 offer the most impressive features in its segment. ai, Naza, you really disappointed a lot of ppl...... |
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Jan 12 2012, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE(saujana @ Jan 12 2012, 09:57 PM) Agree. but, when buy a car, you also buy the whole package. which means, the services, the spare parts availability, etc etc. Honestly, when the Hyundai Sonata launching that time, all the sales person so action, say this say that lar, need to wait long period lar, too many booking until Hyundai can't cope with it lar, bla bla bla, now you can see people don't care much of the gadgets, features..., and the Camry, Teana and Accord sales still beating the Sonata, i think right now even worse because added another Optima, so it surely will eat some of the Sonata sales.I also want to place a booking, but rethink..... kia services? sucks.... this price, is on higher side, which also means, likely low sales. When low sales, do you expect spare parts to be available to the level we want? and, with low sales, I would expect the competency level of the technician to be low too........ I am not concern at all the resale value, but others.... made me think twice. and, just look at what happen after the launch? this thread is almost silent, the showroom having the same response too......even the SA that I chat with, come with much lower tone now.... despite the fact that K5 offer the most impressive features in its segment. ai, Naza, you really disappointed a lot of ppl...... |
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Jan 13 2012, 08:56 AM
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QUOTE(DAVE008 @ Jan 12 2012, 08:31 PM) Bro, why so particular about car seats one ? You buying car or some massage chair Then u obviously dont know me well enough despite reading my previous posts. Ure repeating my own words about investment. Did i say im looking for the perfect car? Common la bro. Dont be silly la. Did u actually read all my posts? If not, please go and read before commenting. Buying a car is never an investment, if you r looking for investment better buy house bro. I've seen you in few threads already. If got money bro, just go for it. If looking for the perfect car, you will never find it. Every car has its positive & negative. Buy the one with more positives, the one you can afford & the one you are happy to be driving in For me, K5 might be slightly expensive for Kia brand, but it compensates with features provided. The cars nearby to this range are no match for K5. If i followed your concept about 'if got money just go for it', i wont be at the level that i am now. I ask questions for a reason and ill ask probably another 1000 questions before i make the decision to buy. |
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Jan 13 2012, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(hosiery2u @ Jan 12 2012, 11:27 PM) Honestly, when the Hyundai Sonata launching that time, all the sales person so action, say this say that lar, need to wait long period lar, too many booking until Hyundai can't cope with it lar, bla bla bla, now you can see people don't care much of the gadgets, features..., and the Camry, Teana and Accord sales still beating the Sonata, i think right now even worse because added another Optima, so it surely will eat some of the Sonata sales. Yes. But i think they were like 'instructed' to say that to build up hype for the model. But Sonata made the mistake of pricing too close to Camry & Accord. Now Kia has done the same with the Optima. Not sure how sales will be like. But im hoping Naza throws in some goodies to sweeten the package. Currently not much choice out there for that price range. Not sure how the new Camry will be like in terms of specs or pricing. |
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Jan 13 2012, 09:25 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 13 2012, 09:08 AM) Yes. But i think they were like 'instructed' to say that to build up hype for the model. But Sonata made the mistake of pricing too close to Camry & Accord. Now Kia has done the same with the Optima. Not sure how sales will be like. But im hoping Naza throws in some goodies to sweeten the package. If I were you I'd hold for a while, at least until the new Camry is launched.Currently not much choice out there for that price range. Not sure how the new Camry will be like in terms of specs or pricing. |
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Jan 13 2012, 09:29 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 13 2012, 09:08 AM) Yes. But i think they were like 'instructed' to say that to build up hype for the model. But Sonata made the mistake of pricing too close to Camry & Accord. Now Kia has done the same with the Optima. Not sure how sales will be like. But im hoping Naza throws in some goodies to sweeten the package. i think the only thing we can ever complain on new camry/accord is, exterior design, and not so good spec(gadget list). Currently not much choice out there for that price range. Not sure how the new Camry will be like in terms of specs or pricing. the rest, they still have their advantage. camry and accord will never go wrong, be it now when you show to your neighbour, or 6 years later when you show to your second hand dealer. accord is still one of the best handling in its class, along with mazda 6(mondeo). |
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Jan 13 2012, 09:30 AM
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QUOTE(saujana @ Jan 12 2012, 09:57 PM) Agree. but, when buy a car, you also buy the whole package. which means, the services, the spare parts availability, etc etc. If you check my previous threads, you'll know that im an ardent Toyota fan having driven a Toyota for 8.5 years and loved the experience (and many ppl here know that). But the new models coming from the Koreans and the lack of effort from the Japanese has got me starting to incline towards the Koreans more & more. Im now considering a number of options: Peugeot 508, upcoming Toyota Camry, Audi A4, BMW 3 Series and the Kia Optima. Ive struck the 508 off the list after 4 test drives and alot of analysis. Now focusing on the other models. Not much news yet on the Camry but its design is a turnoff. I also want to place a booking, but rethink..... kia services? sucks.... this price, is on higher side, which also means, likely low sales. When low sales, do you expect spare parts to be available to the level we want? and, with low sales, I would expect the competency level of the technician to be low too........ I am not concern at all the resale value, but others.... made me think twice. and, just look at what happen after the launch? this thread is almost silent, the showroom having the same response too......even the SA that I chat with, come with much lower tone now.... despite the fact that K5 offer the most impressive features in its segment. ai, Naza, you really disappointed a lot of ppl...... Ive visited the Kia showroom about 4 times since its launch and spent about 1hr there every time while reading up on the car. I must say after all that effort, im impressed with the Optima. Yes the price is not ideal but then again for a CBU with all that specs thrown in, im sure Kia wants an equal standard to the Camry. Yes im aware of all that talk about resale value, after sales service and durability/availability of parts and i agree. Those are concerns for me too. But i think, its a mindset change thats in motion here. Yes the Koreans gave us crap for many years but since the introduction of the Kia Forte, the Koreans have been churning out great models with great specs. So far nobody has been able to beat the Koreans in terms of having good design, great specs with affordable prices. After sales service is still a concern but then again, you cant expect to have everything perfect can you? Resale value depends on demand and so far the Koreans have been getting demand. Although sales are not at the level of the Japs but its still much better than previous Korean models. The Forte's resale value has increased compared to older Korean models. The same with the Hyundai Sonata. And i only see that improving in time as more and more ppl start becoming conscious of the Korean revolution. 5-7 yrs down the line, im sure the Koreans will be enjoying a good following of loyal supporters the same as the Japanese. Here's another reminder on the specs for the Optima (CBU) for those who dont already know: RM 143,888 (OTR) CBU with 5 year (3+2) unlimited mileage manufacturer warranty. Specifications: 1) Theta II 2.0L MPI engine with 165PS and 198 Nm torque (Teana 2.0L is 136PS and 190Nm torque) 2) 6 speed automatic Dual CVVT with paddle shifters and Eco mode 3) HID Xenon headlights with Auto Leveling & Static Bending Lights 4) Daytime LED running lights (DRL) 5) Rear LED lights and LED side turn signal lights 6) Auto Light Control System with Escort Lights and washers 7) Electric foldable side mirrors 8) 6 airbags (front, side & curtain airbags) 9) Anti Lock Braking System (ABS) 11) Electronic Brakeforce Distribution System (EBD) 12) Traction Control System (TCS) 13) Hill Assist Control (HAC) 14) Cornering Brake Control (CBC) 15) Brake Assist System (BAS) 16) Rear Parking Assist System with rear camera 17) Speed Sensing Auto door lock 18) Impact Sensing Auto door unlock 19) Auto Cruise Control 20) 18 inch sporty alloy wheels with full disk brakes and full spare alloy wheel 21) MacPherson type suspension with Gas shock absorbers with High Performance Dampers (HPD) with sliding valve 22) Infinity Surround Sound system with 8 speakers & subwoofer 23) 6 in dash CD changer system with Bluetooth, AUX, USB & iPOD connectivity 24) Dual zone auto air con with rear air con vents 25) 8 way power seat (driver) with memory function 26) Push Start ignition with Smart Key 27) 3.5” Color TFT LCD display 28) Premium Leather seats 29) Panoramic Electric Sunroof 30) First Korean car with 5 Star NHTSA crash rating from America This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 13 2012, 09:35 AM |
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Jan 13 2012, 09:35 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 13 2012, 09:30 AM) If you check my previous threads, you'll know that im an ardent Toyota fan having driven a Toyota for 8.5 years and loved the experience (and many ppl here know that). But the new models coming from the Koreans and the lack of effort from the Japanese has got me starting to incline towards the Koreans more & more. Im now considering a number of options: Peugeot 508, upcoming Toyota Camry, Audi A4, BMW 3 Series and the Kia Optima. Ive struck the 508 off the list after 4 test drives and alot of analysis. Now focusing on the other models. Not much news yet on the Camry but its design is a turnoff. CM, if you love driving, go bmw. if you dont really really love driving, then go audi ( looks better than it drives Ive visited the Kia showroom about 4 times since its launch and spent about 1hr there every time while reading up on the car. I must say after all that effort, im impressed with the Optima. Yes im aware of all that talk about resale value, after sales service and durability/availability of parts and i agree. Those are concerns for me too. But i think, its a mindset change thats in motion here. Yes the Koreans gave us crap for many years but since the introduction of the Kia Forte, the Koreans have been churning out great models with great specs. So far nobody has been able to beat the Koreans in terms of having good design, great specs with affordable prices. After sales service is still a concern but then again, you cant expect to have everything perfect can you? Resale value depends on demand and so far the Koreans have been getting demand. Although sales are not at the level of the Japs but its still much better than previous Korean models. The Forte's resale value has increased compared to older Korean models. The same with the Hyundai Sonata. And i only see that improving in time as more and more ppl start becoming conscious of the Korean revolution. 5-7 yrs down the line, im sure the Koreans will be enjoying a good following of loyal supporters the same as the Japanese. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « , Front wheel ). (resale value need not consider) camry- safest and best for wallet ( cheapest if you include resale value) . kia optima - looks like previous gen bmw M5 with tonnes of features. |
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Jan 13 2012, 09:52 AM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 13 2012, 09:35 AM) CM, if you love driving, go bmw. if you dont really really love driving, then go audi ( looks better than it drives Yes yes i know that. But need to balance cost with all criterias., Front wheel ). (resale value need not consider) camry- safest and best for wallet ( cheapest if you include resale value) . kia optima - looks like previous gen bmw M5 with tonnes of features. |
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Jan 13 2012, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Jan 13 2012, 09:25 AM) If I were you I'd hold for a while, at least until the new Camry is launched. Yes ill hold on for a few months. I also wanna see actual sales figures for the Peugeot 508 and Kia Optima. Plus a few local test drive reports. Hopefully we'll have some details about the Malaysian Camry by March/April. Im targetting the WWR number plate (which should be around June). |
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Jan 13 2012, 10:04 AM
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^508 also damn nice...
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Jan 13 2012, 11:43 AM
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QUOTE(figure8 @ Jan 13 2012, 10:04 AM) ^508 also damn nice... Yes but the ride comfort for rear seat passengers is poor. 1 guy who bought the 508, had some wiring problems with the gearbox. Not very comforting news. PLus design wise, the rear is also weird but typical Peugeot & European styling. And it costs RM26K more than the Optima.This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 13 2012, 11:45 AM |
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Jan 13 2012, 11:54 AM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 13 2012, 09:54 AM) Yes ill hold on for a few months. I also wanna see actual sales figures for the Peugeot 508 and Kia Optima. Plus a few local test drive reports. Hopefully we'll have some details about the Malaysian Camry by March/April. Im targetting the WWR number plate (which should be around June). www which month start tendering?WWK 1 Hingga WWK 9999 (WPKL) Tarikh Buka Tawaran : 10 Januari 2012 Tarikh Tutup Tawaran : 18 Januari 2012 jam 12.00 tengahari is this the 2012 new camry for ASEAN market? http://www.theautoindustrieblog.com/2011/0...l-pictures.html This post has been edited by stargate8: Jan 13 2012, 12:00 PM |
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Jan 13 2012, 02:28 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 13 2012, 08:56 AM) Then u obviously dont know me well enough despite reading my previous posts. Ure repeating my own words about investment. Did i say im looking for the perfect car? Common la bro. Dont be silly la. Did u actually read all my posts? If not, please go and read before commenting. Good for you bro. I guess, everyone has certain criteria to be satisfied before finaaaaaly making a purchase. If i followed your concept about 'if got money just go for it', i wont be at the level that i am now. I ask questions for a reason and ill ask probably another 1000 questions before i make the decision to buy. |
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Jan 13 2012, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 13 2012, 02:35 AM) CM, if you love driving, go bmw. if you dont really really love driving, then go audi ( looks better than it drives , Front wheel ). (resale value need not consider) camry- safest and best for wallet ( cheapest if you include resale value) . kia optima - looks like previous gen bmw M5 with tonnes of features. QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 13 2012, 02:52 AM) Yes yes i know that. But need to balance cost with all criterias. Personally i will say don't fall into the trap of 'handling', honestly i found the BMW handling to be of no use at all during normal driving and in fact tiring even because everthing is so heavy moving around the city. BMW is also much too hard on the suspension. For me comfort and ease of handling comes first on malaysian roads and BMW just doesn't fulfill that, they try to impose the european standard and pan it off as 'handling'. |
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Jan 13 2012, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 13 2012, 11:43 AM) Yes but the ride comfort for rear seat passengers is poor. 1 guy who bought the 508, had some wiring problems with the gearbox. Not very comforting news. PLus design wise, the rear is also weird but typical Peugeot & European styling. And it costs RM26K more than the Optima. Hi cybermaster98, what's your opinion on the 508? My dad is interested in upgrading (or is it downgrade? ) from the pre-facelift Camry 2.4. He's going to test drive it next week. He test drove a Citroen C5 earlier, and he really liked it due to the looks mostly and the drive is much more interesting than his Camry (which he finds very boring). I sat in the rear seats of the C5 during the test drive and it's not as comfortable as the Camry, probably due to the seats. He's considering the 508 as it is Rm 20k cheaper and comes better equipped and stylish interior.sorry OT |
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Jan 13 2012, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE(laszlo @ Jan 13 2012, 04:29 PM) Hi cybermaster98, what's your opinion on the 508? My dad is interested in upgrading (or is it downgrade? You can refer to this thread for my comments: ) from the pre-facelift Camry 2.4. He's going to test drive it next week. He test drove a Citroen C5 earlier, and he really liked it due to the looks mostly and the drive is much more interesting than his Camry (which he finds very boring). I sat in the rear seats of the C5 during the test drive and it's not as comfortable as the Camry, probably due to the seats. He's considering the 508 as it is Rm 20k cheaper and comes better equipped and stylish interior.sorry OT http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2080312/+400 |
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Jan 13 2012, 05:19 PM
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Seem like the new Camry is almost the same as the current version, just they changed the front part and the rear part, plus restyling the interior, the 2.0 still using the same engine ad same old gearbox, just the 2.4L will be replaced by the 2.5 Dual VVt-i engine and a new 6 speed gearbox. Overall dimension is still almost the same as the current gen, including the wheelbase, so don't expect the new Camry will get more room inside. One thing I just seem can't understand is why the Camry still using the double-link rear suspension while all the competitor already using the multi-link suspension, and this is also the main problem that Camry can't handles well.
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Jan 13 2012, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Jan 13 2012, 11:54 AM) www which month start tendering? Ya, I believe that's the one. Front looking like the current gen Accord and rear looking a bit like the previous gen Accord Euro. Inside still typical ahpek style...WWK 1 Hingga WWK 9999 (WPKL) Tarikh Buka Tawaran : 10 Januari 2012 Tarikh Tutup Tawaran : 18 Januari 2012 jam 12.00 tengahari is this the 2012 new camry for ASEAN market? http://www.theautoindustrieblog.com/2011/0...l-pictures.html |
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Jan 13 2012, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(feelfree @ Jan 13 2012, 05:19 PM) Seem like the new Camry is almost the same as the current version, just they changed the front part and the rear part, plus restyling the interior, the 2.0 still using the same engine ad same old gearbox, just the 2.4L will be replaced by the 2.5 Dual VVt-i engine and a new 6 speed gearbox. Overall dimension is still almost the same as the current gen, including the wheelbase, so don't expect the new Camry will get more room inside. One thing I just seem can't understand is why the Camry still using the double-link rear suspension while all the competitor already using the multi-link suspension, and this is also the main problem that Camry can't handles well. ARe you sure the 2.0L is still using the 5 speed GB? Are u also sure that interior space is the same? I heard otherwise. Can someone confirm? |
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Jan 13 2012, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 13 2012, 07:32 PM) ARe you sure the 2.0L is still using the 5 speed GB? Are u also sure that interior space is the same? I heard otherwise. Can someone confirm? I'm not sure, but based on the reviewer and also China spec, the new one is almost the same for the interior size and the 2.0 version is only use back the 4 speed gb, only the 2.5 have a more obvious upgrade, otherwise the overall is almost the same old Camry. You can google to get the info because china already launched this new camry. |
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QUOTE(serendipity168 @ Jan 14 2012, 01:09 AM) Had a chance to check out the K5 the other day and I must say it is very impressive! Btw, I am big fan of Peter Schreyer's work (Audit TT and VW Beetle).Quick question about the paint, does anyone know what does '3D' Bright Silver mean? Pls explain Checked out the Koup too. Built like a tank. Reminds me of my old 1st Gen Audi TT. Don't see too many of them on the streets though Most people would say KIA changes are cosmetic but do take some time to check out the video below. Enjoy~ A comparison between Kia Sportage, BMW X1, Landrover Freelander Alternatively, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwtkD7Y5cyM This post has been edited by serendipity168: Jan 14 2012, 12:51 PM |
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Jan 14 2012, 04:02 PM
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Jan 14 2012, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Jan 14 2012, 04:02 PM) 2011 car? of course drop la..........does that mean that 2011 car also can't sell? |
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Jan 14 2012, 04:31 PM
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QUOTE(saujana @ Jan 14 2012, 04:11 PM) 2011 car? of course drop la.......... to be exact shud be 27th Dec 2011 car... 4 days away from 2012..... sportage and forte also no discount... Optima have to discount.... guess the response not tat good....does that mean that 2011 car also can't sell? |
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Jan 14 2012, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Jan 14 2012, 04:31 PM) to be exact shud be 27th Dec 2011 car... 4 days away from 2012..... sportage and forte also no discount... Optima have to discount.... guess the response not tat good.... 5K is still a small amount for a 1 yr old car. The date doesnt matter at all. Its the year that counts. The drop in resale value every year is surely more than 5K. But that shows that Naza couldnt even push off the 2011 models. Serves them right! Even Peugeot managed to push off all the 508 models for 2011. Hope Optima's 2012 sales are worse. Only then will they start throwing in goodies to push sales.I think even Feb will still have 2011 models. Sure the discount will be much better then. So be patient. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 14 2012, 05:04 PM |
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Jan 14 2012, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 14 2012, 05:00 PM) 5K is still a small amount for a 1 yr old car. The date doesnt matter at all. Its the year that counts. The drop in resale value every year is surely more than 5K. But that shows that Naza couldnt even push off the 2011 models. Serves them right! Even Peugeot managed to push off all the 508 models for 2011. Hope Optima's 2012 sales are worse. Only then will they start throwing in goodies to push sales. Err, that is the price without insurance, road tax etc. Factor all that in and the price will be 143,888, back to square one. It's not right to compare the 508 and Optima in this regard because the latter was only launched at the end of Dec. From then till now it has only been 2 weeks plus.I think even Feb will still have 2011 models. Sure the discount will be much better then. So be patient. |
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Jan 14 2012, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 14 2012, 10:00 AM) 5K is still a small amount for a 1 yr old car. The date doesnt matter at all. Its the year that counts. The drop in resale value every year is surely more than 5K. But that shows that Naza couldnt even push off the 2011 models. Serves them right! Even Peugeot managed to push off all the 508 models for 2011. Hope Optima's 2012 sales are worse. Only then will they start throwing in goodies to push sales. This is very bad, because even with all the specs and still cannot sell, koreans will stop pushing their good stuff this way opening the doors to the japs to be super arrogant again and feed us their worst bullshit, charge more and then we shut up and make excuses why japs are right to bend us overI think even Feb will still have 2011 models. Sure the discount will be much better then. So be patient. |
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Jan 14 2012, 08:13 PM
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5k discount not much, at least they drop 10k from price tag.
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Jan 14 2012, 11:40 PM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Jan 14 2012, 06:01 PM) Err, that is the price without insurance, road tax etc. Factor all that in and the price will be 143,888, back to square one. It's not right to compare the 508 and Optima in this regard because the latter was only launched at the end of Dec. From then till now it has only been 2 weeks plus. Gregy is right. That price doesn't look like an OTR price. Discount? |
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Jan 16 2012, 08:06 AM
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QUOTE(gregy @ Jan 14 2012, 06:01 PM) Err, that is the price without insurance, road tax etc. Factor all that in and the price will be 143,888, back to square one. It's not right to compare the 508 and Optima in this regard because the latter was only launched at the end of Dec. From then till now it has only been 2 weeks plus. So same price for a 2011 model? Why wouldnt ppl wait for a 2012 model which would arrive sometime March instead of getting a 2011 model which has already lost about RM15K in resale value?Most of the Peugeot 508 units were already prebooked in advance. Even at the launch, most showrooms were telling customers to wait for 2nd batch. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 16 2012, 08:08 AM |
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Jan 16 2012, 08:09 AM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 14 2012, 06:20 PM) This is very bad, because even with all the specs and still cannot sell, koreans will stop pushing their good stuff this way opening the doors to the japs to be super arrogant again and feed us their worst bullshit, charge more and then we shut up and make excuses why japs are right to bend us over Yes gotta blame the local cronies for this price. Not the fault of the Koreans. |
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Jan 16 2012, 08:25 AM
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A good read:
http://cbt.com.my/120112/tuv-toyota-prius-...scores-well-too Quite a few Korean makes in the bottom half of the survey. But good to see Toyota in the Top 10 list for all age groups. |
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Jan 17 2012, 03:42 PM
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Guys, just some info for ya'll, the 1st batch of k5 which is being sold to public is without the back aircond located at the centre armrest.
The cars being showed in outlets are from different batch/stock thus they have all the accessories listed but the cars being given/sold to public is without rear aircond vents but they are giving out 1 year free service due to this misgiving. Confirmed by Kia careline. I dunno what shit was Naza thinking by duping consumers & now if you don't want to take this batch need to wait for the another batch to come in which is dunno when. So, please be warned to those who have already booked the car, loan approved & waiting to pick-up the cars, pls go through the checklist to ensure all the accessories which were listed in newspaper or by cybermaster98 are there to avoid disappointment. -Dual zone auto air con with rear air con vents Naza the ever so bloody fools This post has been edited by DAVE008: Jan 17 2012, 03:48 PM |
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Jan 17 2012, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE(DAVE008 @ Jan 17 2012, 03:42 PM) Guys, just some info for ya'll, the 1st batch of k5 which is being sold to public is without the back aircond located at the centre armrest. Go to the Kia Optima Facebook page and comment. Naza is really crap. Always some trick up their sleeve. The cars being showed in outlets are from different batch/stock thus they have all the accessories listed but the cars being given/sold to public is without rear aircond vents but they are giving out 1 year free service due to this misgiving. Confirmed by Kia careline. I dunno what shit was Naza thinking by duping consumers & now if you don't want to take this batch need to wait for the another batch to come in which is dunno when. So, please be warned to those who have already booked the car, loan approved & waiting to pick-up the cars, pls go through the checklist to ensure all the accessories which were listed in newspaper or by cybermaster98 are there to avoid disappointment. -Dual zone auto air con with rear air con vents Naza the ever so bloody fools |
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Jan 17 2012, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE(DAVE008 @ Jan 17 2012, 03:42 PM) Guys, just some info for ya'll, the 1st batch of k5 which is being sold to public is without the back aircond located at the centre armrest. Good catch, Dave! Didn't realize this The cars being showed in outlets are from different batch/stock thus they have all the accessories listed but the cars being given/sold to public is without rear aircond vents but they are giving out 1 year free service due to this misgiving. Confirmed by Kia careline. I dunno what shit was Naza thinking by duping consumers & now if you don't want to take this batch need to wait for the another batch to come in which is dunno when. So, please be warned to those who have already booked the car, loan approved & waiting to pick-up the cars, pls go through the checklist to ensure all the accessories which were listed in newspaper or by cybermaster98 are there to avoid disappointment. -Dual zone auto air con with rear air con vents Naza the ever so bloody fools Has anyone else notice this? |
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Jan 17 2012, 11:54 PM
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Hi all, juz to share tt a dealer did tell me abt 20 units came in without the rear vents n it was a week before the launch. Yes they did inform bout it upfront n din attempt to rip off. However I cant comment bout the rest of the dealers/branches. Apparently some glitch on the specs in the 1st batch tt came in. I dun work 4 naza neither hav i owned korean b4. However i m 1 of those idiots who ordered 1, coming 2nd batch.
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Jan 18 2012, 02:18 AM
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QUOTE(DAVE008 @ Jan 17 2012, 08:42 AM) Guys, just some info for ya'll, the 1st batch of k5 which is being sold to public is without the back aircond located at the centre armrest. I'll take the one year free service thanks instead of two small vent that don't do much The cars being showed in outlets are from different batch/stock thus they have all the accessories listed but the cars being given/sold to public is without rear aircond vents but they are giving out 1 year free service due to this misgiving. Confirmed by Kia careline. I dunno what shit was Naza thinking by duping consumers & now if you don't want to take this batch need to wait for the another batch to come in which is dunno when. So, please be warned to those who have already booked the car, loan approved & waiting to pick-up the cars, pls go through the checklist to ensure all the accessories which were listed in newspaper or by cybermaster98 are there to avoid disappointment. -Dual zone auto air con with rear air con vents Naza the ever so bloody fools |
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QUOTE(SA6YEuro @ Jan 17 2012, 11:54 PM) Hi all, juz to share tt a dealer did tell me abt 20 units came in without the rear vents n it was a week before the launch. Yes they did inform bout it upfront n din attempt to rip off. However I cant comment bout the rest of the dealers/branches. Apparently some glitch on the specs in the 1st batch tt came in. I dun work 4 naza neither hav i owned korean b4. However i m 1 of those idiots who ordered 1, coming 2nd batch. Congrats for being soon-to-be owner!!!really like to see more, not sure if I can still change my mind to get one ................ |
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Jan 18 2012, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(SA6YEuro @ Jan 17 2012, 11:54 PM) Hi all, juz to share tt a dealer did tell me abt 20 units came in without the rear vents n it was a week before the launch. Yes they did inform bout it upfront n din attempt to rip off. However I cant comment bout the rest of the dealers/branches. Apparently some glitch on the specs in the 1st batch tt came in. I dun work 4 naza neither hav i owned korean b4. However i m 1 of those idiots who ordered 1, coming 2nd batch. Don't be too hard on yourself. It's not that bad.........Do let us know when your lovely car is due to arrive. Perhaps, you can take us all out for a spin This post has been edited by serendipity168: Jan 18 2012, 11:58 AM |
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Jan 18 2012, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 18 2012, 02:18 AM) I'll take the one year free service thanks instead of two small vent that don't do much That 1 year free service is only probably 2 services (normal lubricants and normal wear & tear parts) at most which cost only about RM700 in total. So if someone asks you to pay RM700 extra for additional aircon vents in the rear seats which improves comfort at the back especially on hot days for the next 5-7 yrs of the car's life, ure actually gonna say no?  Added on January 18, 2012, 12:04 pm QUOTE(SA6YEuro @ Jan 17 2012, 11:54 PM) Hi all, juz to share tt a dealer did tell me abt 20 units came in without the rear vents n it was a week before the launch. Yes they did inform bout it upfront n din attempt to rip off. However I cant comment bout the rest of the dealers/branches. Apparently some glitch on the specs in the 1st batch tt came in. I dun work 4 naza neither hav i owned korean b4. However i m 1 of those idiots who ordered 1, coming 2nd batch. Ure getting the 2nd batch with the rear aircon vents. So no problem.This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 18 2012, 12:04 PM |
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Jan 18 2012, 12:04 PM
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rear air con is a blessing for big cars and hot weather like us.
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Jan 18 2012, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 18 2012, 05:03 AM) That 1 year free service is only probably 2 services (normal lubricants and normal wear & tear parts) at most which cost only about RM700 in total. So if someone asks you to pay RM700 extra for additional aircon vents in the rear seats which improves comfort at the back especially on hot days for the next 5-7 yrs of the car's life, ure actually gonna say no? yup because the vents don't have their own blower, it just bleeds air from the main system, so in actual fact the cooling of the car doesn't change at all, the cooling capacity remains the same. It's one less ducting and sealing to worry about and also vents that can be broken by kicking.Added on January 18, 2012, 12:04 pm Ure getting the 2nd batch with the rear aircon vents. So no problem. So makes sense to have rm700 free service |
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Jan 18 2012, 02:56 PM
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yup, . i dont even care if the car has no aircon but if i'm placing my money, i will wait for second batch. |
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Jan 18 2012, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 18 2012, 02:51 PM) yup because the vents don't have their own blower, it just bleeds air from the main system, so in actual fact the cooling of the car doesn't change at all, the cooling capacity remains the same. It's one less ducting and sealing to worry about and also vents that can be broken by kicking. It does make a difference to rear seat passengers as the output location of the vents have changed. On a normal hot day, the rear will cool down much faster as compared to waiting for the cool air to travel from the front. Low temperatures at the rear can also be maintained more efficiently having a rear vent as compared to only front vents. Plus i think resale value will be marginally better for an Optima with rear vents. Free services dont count towards resale value. So makes sense to have rm700 free service This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Jan 18 2012, 03:18 PM |
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Jan 18 2012, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 18 2012, 08:17 AM) It does make a difference to rear seat passengers as the output location of the vents have changed. On a normal hot day, the rear will cool down much faster as compared to waiting for the cool air to travel from the front. Low temperatures at the rear can also be maintained more efficiently having a rear vent as compared to only front vents. Plus i think resale value will be marginally better for an Optima with rear vents. Free services dont count towards resale value. It's in the mind only lah, the air coming out is like an asthmatic only and already heated up passing under the hot body. The cabin of the is not so big like a limo the front blower even on low can reach probably the back windscreen also.Resale if the vents are broken from kicking or scuffed, you try and sell and see. And i gurantee to replace those vents won't be cheap also. |
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Jan 18 2012, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 18 2012, 03:33 PM) It's in the mind only lah, the air coming out is like an asthmatic only and already heated up passing under the hot body. The cabin of the is not so big like a limo the front blower even on low can reach probably the back windscreen also. Resale if the vents are broken from kicking or scuffed, you try and sell and see. And i gurantee to replace those vents won't be cheap also.  can kick and broken? like that why buy rm140k car? buy vios lo, nothing to spoil also. empty car. all simple ancient stuff sunroof and auto light/wiper sensor all expensive also. |
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Jan 18 2012, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 18 2012, 08:34 AM) can kick and broken? like that why buy rm140k car? buy vios lo, nothing to spoil also. empty car. all simple ancient stuff sunroof and auto light/wiper sensor all expensive also. |
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Jan 18 2012, 05:06 PM
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i choose the comfort over the free service..... buy car is for comfort when travel not for the service. This is my point of view.
If someone sell u a Saga with no rear seat, aircond and radio system. But give u 5 years free service. Will u take it? |
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Jan 18 2012, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE(0300078 @ Jan 18 2012, 10:06 AM) i choose the comfort over the free service..... buy car is for comfort when travel not for the service. This is my point of view. Of course you use your better judgement lah, not just accept only, this small aircond thingy is so insignificant compared to free servicing, thats 700 bucks in the pocketIf someone sell u a Saga with no rear seat, aircond and radio system. But give u 5 years free service. Will u take it? |
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Jan 18 2012, 11:30 PM
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Discussion till this extent oredi. Well since the k5 cabin is kinda long, cooling down the rear on a hot day can b punishing. Its no longer a "i can live wifout" issue but a matter of convenience. If the car hardly got back occupants most of time then no impact. If there is, better rethink it over. Not worth a year's svc.
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Jan 19 2012, 07:47 AM
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for those that seldom carry ppl i think they will said is worth loh.
case just like my friends grand livina..... he complain a lot on having no rear aircond for the last row.... ending up using the car more as a wagon than a MPV now. Becoz his family member refuse to used the last row.... they rather travel with 2 cars. |
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Jan 19 2012, 09:41 AM
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http://star-motoring.com/News/2012/Chevry-...kilometres.aspx
Chevry Malibu racks up 1.6 million test kilometres across globe wow this is real testing, with the data collected, it is valuable asset to produce a better car |
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Jan 19 2012, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE(stargate8 @ Jan 19 2012, 09:41 AM) http://star-motoring.com/News/2012/Chevry-...kilometres.aspx 3-4 years ago, this is the car the chevy finally able to compete with camry and accord Chevry Malibu racks up 1.6 million test kilometres across globe wow this is real testing, with the data collected, it is valuable asset to produce a better car a camry beater and accord beater from chevy |
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About the rear aircond vent, my dad's camry ones always "shut off" as the air circulates well enough, I find most passengers don't like it especially the passenger in mid. LOL~
I heard good resale value for T. Camry? Anyone willing to pay 140k for 2008 model? I would like to ask for 150k as it run less than 20k for whole 3 years. Any takers? Just changed a steering joint or what, I don't know what its called for a bloody RM8xx price tag. If anyone willing to take it with high price for this good car, pm me. I wish K5 came in with 2.4l engine then able to swap, we don't mind the resale value. |
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Jan 19 2012, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(Shengz @ Jan 19 2012, 09:56 PM) About the rear aircond vent, my dad's camry ones always "shut off" as the air circulates well enough, I find most passengers don't like it especially the passenger in mid. LOL~ CAn you make decision for your daddy car? I heard good resale value for T. Camry? Anyone willing to pay 140k for 2008 model? I would like to ask for 150k as it run less than 20k for whole 3 years. Any takers? Just changed a steering joint or what, I don't know what its called for a bloody RM8xx price tag. If anyone willing to take it with high price for this good car, pm me. I wish K5 came in with 2.4l engine then able to swap, we don't mind the resale value. Rm 8xx not expensive la. |
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Jan 19 2012, 10:38 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 19 2012, 10:35 PM) CAn you make decision for your daddy car? 800 alos bising at least got parts mah, when kia SC ask you to wait few months for parts to arrive.. dunno will bising or not.. Rm 8xx not expensive la. |
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 19 2012, 10:35 PM) CAn you make decision for your daddy car? Why not? As I'm one of the director for the company. Rm 8xx not expensive la. Its not expensive but it is actually factory defects, one of my dad's friend already told him before the warranty ends, few of them went to SC in group and demand for replacement due to some "news" from KL suppliers salesman and they got charge nothing. My dad thought his weekend car is save from this defects as the car don't make noise until one day I ride it and I asked him, what is the sound when turning the steering. But then, its too late, warranty over by 2 months, we did appeal but nothing done. Just pay and get the car back. We don't mind the money paid, just that who said that toyota is hassled free, you're wrong. QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 19 2012, 10:38 PM) 800 alos bising at least got parts mah, when kia SC ask you to wait few months for parts to arrive.. dunno will bising or not.. Bet you don't know there are shops to seek for korean car parts. Btw, they got website too. Erm, today with internet, I bet no problem with seeking for parts, I'm thinking to start a business to source "what people can't find" stuffs/parts as I could charge premium but a little less than the dealer. Its a plan, I'm still thinking. We supply construction materials but one day there came a customer to seek for stuff that can modify his car side mirror, well, a rare Ford. The side mirror is compatible with mustang, I asked him why don't you ask those shop to order for you? He told me the shop quote him almost thousand for that pair of chrome side mirror. I was like . I seek ebay and show him, IINM, its around USD 7x for a pair. But at the end he still modify it himself. FYI, we always do things people don't do, that is, find product customer wanted so much. Good money indeed. Let me know when you guys can't source for parts. I will find it as long as you pay. |
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Jan 20 2012, 12:42 AM
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Hehehe
I will be one of the first customers to get K5 OTR. 2011 batch? - I don't care. The difference would be insignificant after 5-6 years. Pricey for a Korean made? - I don't care. I see, I like, I buy High maintenance? - Which D-seg car doesn't have high maintenance? And I'll be given a brand new car with rear aircon vent. However, due to JPJ registration issues, I can't get it OTR before CNY. Could've gotten it before CNY but i insist on my preferred number plate. Huhuhu... My SA have been ok so far, though not 100% honest with me, but they do get the car fast. PM me if you are interested. |
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Jan 20 2012, 02:01 AM
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QUOTE(JuneSeptember @ Jan 20 2012, 12:42 AM) Hehehe Congratulations. I will be one of the first customers to get K5 OTR. 2011 batch? - I don't care. The difference would be insignificant after 5-6 years. Pricey for a Korean made? - I don't care. I see, I like, I buy High maintenance? - Which D-seg car doesn't have high maintenance? And I'll be given a brand new car with rear aircon vent. However, due to JPJ registration issues, I can't get it OTR before CNY. Could've gotten it before CNY but i insist on my preferred number plate. Huhuhu... My SA have been ok so far, though not 100% honest with me, but they do get the car fast. PM me if you are interested. In mandarin, "Buy what you love, love what you buy". Don't worry about maintenance if you could afford it. If one keeps worry about maintenance, fc, value, its not the time to own their dream car yet, buy a myvi/vios/viva or even a second hand ones would be a better choice IMO.  I myself don't buy things I don't like, because you gonna face it everyday for the whole 5-9 years or even more, you just get yourself tired and frown for keep repeating doing the same thing you hate. I spend money for pleasure, not for pressure. Good for you to pursue your dream, challenge yourself and keep climbing the ladder. Btw, I'm driving forte currently, looking forward Kia next design, hopefully turbo will reach our shore in next few years time when I'm upgrading. |
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QUOTE(JuneSeptember @ Jan 20 2012, 12:42 AM) Hehehe After you get your car, pls come in and start a new "Sila JELES" thread kekeke... I will be one of the first customers to get K5 OTR. 2011 batch? - I don't care. The difference would be insignificant after 5-6 years. Pricey for a Korean made? - I don't care. I see, I like, I buy High maintenance? - Which D-seg car doesn't have high maintenance? And I'll be given a brand new car with rear aircon vent. However, due to JPJ registration issues, I can't get it OTR before CNY. Could've gotten it before CNY but i insist on my preferred number plate. Huhuhu... My SA have been ok so far, though not 100% honest with me, but they do get the car fast. PM me if you are interested. I agree with you, and you are totally right, after 5-6 yrs the resale value will kinda even out. Already proven it with a simple calculation between a 2003 Camry and 2003 Sonata. At present value, both cars lost the same amount of money lol.... Only people who don't know how to count or are persistently ignorant will tell you about resale this and that BS. Cheers. |
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Jan 20 2012, 10:57 AM
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Juz to share for those interested to know, our Msian version is pretty much the top of the range trim which is the Sports Package. How did i come to this conclusion? Frt bumper, side skirts, rear spoiler, aluminium pedals, hi perf dampers, lighted scuff plates. I m not sure whether the 18" rims n infinity is included in this package. Download the kia global brochure to believe.
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QUOTE(gregy @ Jan 20 2012, 02:07 AM) After you get your car, pls come in and start a new "Sila JELES" thread kekeke... I agree with you, and you are totally right, after 5-6 yrs the resale value will kinda even out. Already proven it with a simple calculation between a 2003 Camry and 2003 Sonata. At present value, both cars lost the same amount of money lol.... Only people who don't know how to count or are persistently ignorant will tell you about resale this and that BS. Cheers. u r the man |
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Jan 20 2012, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(Shengz @ Jan 19 2012, 11:06 PM) Let me know when you guys can't source for parts. I will find it as long as you pay. i have a lot in mind... especially ebay items... hope ur shipping fee is FREE... will PM u asap... QUOTE(JuneSeptember @ Jan 20 2012, 12:42 AM) I will be one of the first customers to get K5 OTR. saw 1 w/out plate no at tol jln duta yesterday... think salesman is sending out to buyer's home...the driver look afraid to drive... sikit2 tekan brek, sikit2 tekan brek... wish the car is 120k... i'll pass my forte to my little brother & buy this k5... naza stupid, kia no resale value la, sell it at 120k la... demmm... |
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Jan 20 2012, 12:34 PM
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Jan 20 2012, 12:43 PM
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Its quite a big car. Not suprising its kinda scary if u r not used the size. On paper, the size is head to head wif the camry.
Added on January 20, 2012, 12:50 pm QUOTE(JuneSeptember @ Jan 20 2012, 12:42 AM) Hehehe Congrats mate. Tell us bout the overall experience once u hav got hold of ur k5. I will be one of the first customers to get K5 OTR. 2011 batch? - I don't care. The difference would be insignificant after 5-6 years. Pricey for a Korean made? - I don't care. I see, I like, I buy High maintenance? - Which D-seg car doesn't have high maintenance? And I'll be given a brand new car with rear aircon vent. However, due to JPJ registration issues, I can't get it OTR before CNY. Could've gotten it before CNY but i insist on my preferred number plate. Huhuhu... My SA have been ok so far, though not 100% honest with me, but they do get the car fast. PM me if you are interested. Mine is in the 2nd batch. At least a good 2mths behind. This post has been edited by SA6YEuro: Jan 20 2012, 12:50 PM |
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Jan 20 2012, 05:00 PM
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LYN got no Kia SA?
Any chance we could get T-GDI 2.0 next few years or facelifted version? I'm drooling. This post has been edited by Shengz: Jan 20 2012, 05:01 PM |
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Jan 20 2012, 06:29 PM
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As long as we dun get better quality fuel, gdi engines is goin to be another wish list juz like our diesel.
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QUOTE(Shengz @ Jan 19 2012, 11:06 PM) Bet you don't know there are shops to seek for korean car parts. Btw, they got website too. Erm, today with internet, I bet no problem with seeking for parts, I'm thinking to start a business to source "what people can't find" stuffs/parts as I could charge premium but a little less than the dealer. Its a plan, I'm still thinking. but you buy those over 100k korean car dun say throw away waranty meh? after 6speed gearbox mati then have to fork over 20k how? |
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 20 2012, 08:47 PM) after 6speed gearbox mati then have to fork over 20k how? my boss always said... "dun block ur mind, u'll go nowhere, think out of the box"...  This post has been edited by epo: Jan 20 2012, 10:52 PM |
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QUOTE(gregy @ Jan 20 2012, 02:07 AM) After you get your car, pls come in and start a new "Sila JELES" thread kekeke... Mind sharing with me your calculations for both the models?I agree with you, and you are totally right, after 5-6 yrs the resale value will kinda even out. Already proven it with a simple calculation between a 2003 Camry and 2003 Sonata. At present value, both cars lost the same amount of money lol.... Only people who don't know how to count or are persistently ignorant will tell you about resale this and that BS. Cheers. |
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I just went to the Kia Red Cube along Federal HIghway tis morning hoping to get my 5th look at the car. I arrived at 9.45am and the showroom was supposedly opened at 8.30am. Everything open but no salesman anywhere. The cleaner came up and passed me a brochure. I waited about 30mins and he didnt show up. I checked everywhere but he was nowhere to be found.
This is the crap service that Naza provides. Really tarnishes the name of Kia. How does Naza expect to change the perception of Malaysians towards the Korean brand when they have such poorly trained sales ppl with no professionalism?? Really pisses me off. Its not just 1 showroom. Its kinda widespread! |
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 21 2012, 12:22 PM) Mind sharing with me your calculations for both the models? QUOTE(gregy @ Jan 8 2012, 05:49 AM) Bro, you can't take two different segments to validate your statement. A young man starting out is highly unlikely to consider an old D-segment for various reasons, including high FC, high maintenance costs, higher road tax and an uncle image, among other things. A cheaper to maintain C or B segment car is more suited to them. As such, D segment cars tend to depreciate more than a B or C segment car. And, once you see the rough calculations I did below, it will change a lot of perceptions. I must admit I too was shocked at the results. Do indulge me: His calculation is here.Let's compare the following D segment cars: 2003 Camry 2.0 (the big backside model) New price = RM140k 2003 Sonata 2.0 New price = RM110K 2003 Camry 2.0 now = RM55k 2003 Sonata 2.0 now = RM25k Camry's residual value = (55/140) x 100 = 39.28%, depreciation = 60.72% or RM85k Sonata's residual value = (25/110) x 100 = 22.73%, depreciation = 77.27% or RM85k So at the end of the day, what does it tell you? If you take away the percentages and other figures and look at the bottomline, both cars lost RM85k over a span of 9 yrs, or a flatline depreciation of RM9,444 per annum. |
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Jan 21 2012, 01:00 PM
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QUOTE(epo @ Jan 20 2012, 10:51 PM) my boss always said... "dun block ur mind, u'll go nowhere, think out of the box"... how many new D segment cars you own the past 5years? did listening to you boss help with the results? |
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Jan 21 2012, 03:04 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 21 2012, 01:00 PM) how many new D segment cars you own the past 5years? did listening to you boss help with the results? no, this is his boss's way of tell him,' ur idea saks and go back and redo. ' |
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Jan 21 2012, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE(epo @ Jan 20 2012, 10:51 PM) my boss always said... "dun block ur mind, u'll go nowhere, think out of the box"... and i wud reply... problem with everyone trying to think outside the box is no one ever thinks inside the box anymore....that's why the fundamentals are always "attached to another object by an inclined plane wrapped helically around an axis". make sense? |
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Jan 21 2012, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Jan 21 2012, 03:33 PM) and i wud reply... problem with everyone trying to think outside the box is no one ever thinks inside the box anymore.... sheldon~~~~~~~~~~~~~~that's why the fundamentals are always "attached to another object by an inclined plane wrapped helically around an axis". make sense? |
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Jan 21 2012, 04:21 PM
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Depreciation of almost 80% vs depreciation of 60% call it same value... Fantastic argument...
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Jan 21 2012, 04:48 PM
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QUOTE(BuFung @ Jan 21 2012, 04:21 PM) Depreciation of almost 80% vs depreciation of 60% call it same value... Fantastic argument... not to mention drive big bekside camry until now is still way better than the 25k jaguanata.. |
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Jan 21 2012, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 21 2012, 12:27 PM) I just went to the Kia Red Cube along Federal HIghway tis morning hoping to get my 5th look at the car. I arrived at 9.45am and the showroom was supposedly opened at 8.30am. Everything open but no salesman anywhere. The cleaner came up and passed me a brochure. I waited about 30mins and he didnt show up. I checked everywhere but he was nowhere to be found. 5 times? whats holding u back bro?This is the crap service that Naza provides. Really tarnishes the name of Kia. How does Naza expect to change the perception of Malaysians towards the Korean brand when they have such poorly trained sales ppl with no professionalism?? Really pisses me off. Its not just 1 showroom. Its kinda widespread! This post has been edited by twincharger07: Jan 21 2012, 07:00 PM |
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Jan 21 2012, 07:10 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 21 2012, 12:27 PM) I just went to the Kia Red Cube along Federal HIghway tis morning hoping to get my 5th look at the car. I arrived at 9.45am and the showroom was supposedly opened at 8.30am. Everything open but no salesman anywhere. The cleaner came up and passed me a brochure. I waited about 30mins and he didnt show up. I checked everywhere but he was nowhere to be found. I suggest tt you head over to a reputable dealer. At least most of them take you seriously. I wouldnt waste my time wif naza branches. Some of the SA dun even attempt to understand their own product. Simple question oso cant answer. Sigh...This is the crap service that Naza provides. Really tarnishes the name of Kia. How does Naza expect to change the perception of Malaysians towards the Korean brand when they have such poorly trained sales ppl with no professionalism?? Really pisses me off. Its not just 1 showroom. Its kinda widespread! |
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Jan 21 2012, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 21 2012, 04:48 PM) not to mention drive big bekside camry until now is still way better than the 25k jaguanata.. Base on value, the sonata will never depreciate More than a Benz E class or a 5 series... Same segment.... Good resale value yo... A Santa fe will also never depreciate more than a Toyota harrier too... U all donna how to calculate 1... Those buy kancil is the best, max depreciation 30k... No matter how many years.... |
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Jan 21 2012, 08:20 PM
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Drive kancil the best, the second hand kancil lagi value lagi best.
It can brings you from point A to B, so it can get its job done, why choose bigger & pricier car? Those who everyday talks about value, should choose either a wira or kancil. Until today I still don't understand why they went to visit the showroom since they worry about depreciation. Drive your cheap and antique car forever and don't change it if you are worry about depreciation, I'm a bit rude but I can't stand these bloody mindset. I would like to say, "Padan muka, your whole life are fated to drive a cheap car! Yea, don't even thinking to own a ferrari, oops.. Too far, not even a Merc/BMW." Calculate like a scientist, that's all you can do. People owns it, you jealous. Please jealous and keep drooling, oh and keep calculate how much does people lose every year. So, stop talking about value please. We are rich and don't mind the second hand value, we are not going to drive a T.V. or H.C. or any 80k cars whole life. Let's talk about the driving experiences, shall we? This post has been edited by Shengz: Jan 21 2012, 08:25 PM |
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Jan 21 2012, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE(Shengz @ Jan 21 2012, 08:20 PM) Drive kancil the best, the second hand kancil lagi value lagi best. well said...It can brings you from point A to B, so it can get its job done, why choose bigger & pricier car? Those who everyday talks about value, should choose either a wira or kancil. Until today I still don't understand why they went to visit the showroom since they worry about depreciation. Drive your cheap and antique car forever and don't change it if you are worry about depreciation, I'm a bit rude but I can't stand these bloody mindset. I would like to say, "Padan muka, your whole life are fated to drive a cheap car! Yea, don't even thinking to own a ferrari, oops.. Too far, not even a Merc/BMW." Calculate like a scientist, that's all you can do. People owns it, you jealous. Please jealous and keep drooling, oh and keep calculate how much does people lose every year. So, stop talking about value please. We are rich and don't mind the second hand value, we are not going to drive a T.V. or H.C. or any 80k cars whole life. Let's talk about the driving experiences, shall we? |
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Jan 21 2012, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 21 2012, 12:27 PM) I just went to the Kia Red Cube along Federal HIghway tis morning hoping to get my 5th look at the car. I arrived at 9.45am and the showroom was supposedly opened at 8.30am. Everything open but no salesman anywhere. The cleaner came up and passed me a brochure. I waited about 30mins and he didnt show up. I checked everywhere but he was nowhere to be found. Bro , before 12 it's best for you to molest the car without ppl disturbing you. After 12pm SA will show up and bring u test drive This is the crap service that Naza provides. Really tarnishes the name of Kia. How does Naza expect to change the perception of Malaysians towards the Korean brand when they have such poorly trained sales ppl with no professionalism?? Really pisses me off. Its not just 1 showroom. Its kinda widespread! Thats how Kia and Peugeot work on saturday |
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Jan 21 2012, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 21 2012, 09:08 PM) Bro , before 12 it's best for you to molest the car without ppl disturbing you. After 12pm SA will show up and bring u test drive but he went 5 times liao.. i think molest until sien already right by now? Thats how Kia and Peugeot work on saturday |
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