You mean the R35 in GT500 class pawning the Lambos competing in GT300 class?
Different class, different regulations noob.
GT500 looks the same as road going cars only, everything underneath can be changed.
GT300 regulations restrict teams from doing too much modifications, and must keep to the original road-going car's engine and setup.

If you want to see the GT-R vs Murcielago under the same rules and regulations look at FIA GT1 World Championship where they compete under the same regulations.

Well since nobody will give a flying f*** to this question, I shall just entertain myself and answer it.

The rear engine layout is easier to maintain and assemble, but that is besides the point.

Ferdinand Porsche put the engine in the back in the 911 because when you accelerate your car's weight transfers to the rear, so with the engine hanging over the rear wheels, it presses more weight thus giving you better traction and better acceleration.

As such when driving a 911 you can get on the accelerator much much earlier when coming out of the bend than you would in a normal car or supercar, and use the weight in the rear to press down on the road and slingshot you out of the corner.

+1 to that haha

thanks bro.

yo ericmaxman, great job with the shots.

now I can't argue with that.

because handling a rear engine car is dangerous if done incorrectly, without any weight pressing in front you would understeer, and if you go too fast into a bend the weight of the engine at the back causes a pendulum effect giving you oversteer.

as marvinben says, Porsche has spent decades tuning the 911's chassis around this problem, other car makers simply gave up.
because of that Porsche is one of the best chassis experts in the world.

Putting the engine in the middle is great for balance, bad for practicality as you can't put things like rear seats or luggage space, all because that's where the engine would go.
Also can you imagine servicing a mid-engined car, you would have to lift up the whole car just for an oil change, or just changing the bloody spark plugs would cause you to bust a testicle.

Ironically the most cost-effective way to build a compact car today is the rear-engined layout as it gives more room in the front for the cabin, and the steering rack won't have to be squeeze in with the engine like front-engined, front wheel drive cars (FF).

The reason why we don't see more rear-engined rear-wheel drive cars is because production processes, engine design, and platform design has already been engineered and built around the FF-layout.
So it would be costly to invest in designing new platforms for RR cars.


Yes, rear torsion beam suspension is designed for cost-efficiency, and it gives you more luggage space.
Yes, the fastest FF car around Nurburgring is the Renault Megane R26R with its rear torsion beam suspension.
Somehow the Europeans seem to have the magic touch in tuning rear torsion beam suspension, something which Japanese carmakers can't seem to get right.
Just test drive a Ford Fiesta and Honda Jazz and you can see the difference in what I mean.

Fun fact the man behind it was Ferdinand Porsche, who is said to have stolen the idea from Czechoslovakian car maker, Tatra before the start of the WW2.

Anyway I feel like I'm causing this thread to terserong nicely.

Have a nice day, all of you.
Enjoy Ericmaxman's pic, brought lots of LOLs and Facepalms to office.
I'm heading back to work.