same question why torsion beam keeps appearing more n more

cost effective and simplicity of design, easy adaptability across models range reducing development cost and customers anyways can't tell the difference for normal road cars

some say torsion beam sucks,

other say it got the fastest time round the 'ring for a FWD

99% people wont even notice the difference.

inb4 fiat coupe was fastest fwd.

This post has been edited by marvinben: Jun 20 2011, 02:53 PM

because handling a rear engine car is dangerous if done incorrectly, without any weight pressing in front you would understeer, and if you go too fast into a bend the weight of the engine at the back causes a pendulum effect giving you oversteer.

as marvinben says, Porsche has spent decades tuning the 911's chassis around this problem, other car makers simply gave up.
because of that Porsche is one of the best chassis experts in the world.

Putting the engine in the middle is great for balance, bad for practicality as you can't put things like rear seats or luggage space, all because that's where the engine would go.
Also can you imagine servicing a mid-engined car, you would have to lift up the whole car just for an oil change, or just changing the bloody spark plugs would cause you to bust a testicle.

Ironically the most cost-effective way to build a compact car today is the rear-engined layout as it gives more room in the front for the cabin, and the steering rack won't have to be squeeze in with the engine like front-engined, front wheel drive cars (FF).

The reason why we don't see more rear-engined rear-wheel drive cars is because production processes, engine design, and platform design has already been engineered and built around the FF-layout.
So it would be costly to invest in designing new platforms for RR cars.


Yes, rear torsion beam suspension is designed for cost-efficiency, and it gives you more luggage space.
Yes, the fastest FF car around Nurburgring is the Renault Megane R26R with its rear torsion beam suspension.
Somehow the Europeans seem to have the magic touch in tuning rear torsion beam suspension, something which Japanese carmakers can't seem to get right.
Just test drive a Ford Fiesta and Honda Jazz and you can see the difference in what I mean.

My e90 pwns both

Fun fact: VW Beetle used to mount engine in the arse.

lol wiith rear wheel locked , wira evo is the fastest fwd

rear wheel locked? ayam no understand.

4wd can lock 2 wheel

Fun fact the man behind it was Ferdinand Porsche, who is said to have stolen the idea from Czechoslovakian car maker, Tatra before the start of the WW2.

Anyway I feel like I'm causing this thread to terserong nicely.

Have a nice day, all of you.
Enjoy Ericmaxman's pic, brought lots of LOLs and Facepalms to office.
I'm heading back to work.

oh now i get it, locking the diff. sorry for the confusion.

that's why ayam love wira gsr

thx thx for explanations lol

Sorry to disappoint u guys I nvr play Dora for years d.

If I recall correctly, GT-R was 14 seconds ahead of the lambo, so b4 talking shit go and watch it

malaysian driver duno how to drive lembukini, they drive lembucart.
Last 2 mths one edi accident, now again

this photos should appear @ wreckedexotics.com by now!

thx 4 all awesome answers i received today. such as rear engine, front engine, mid engine. plate numbers, etc...
one more q: what is jalopnik? famous amos or not?

ya2. the gtr is faster but its a sports car. not a supercar. lambo is a supercar which have exclusivity, style, sounds. while gtr is a sports car which will do "function over style" thing. thats y the gtr is specifically designed to be fast on a track(the NERD-BIRD-THING thingy) while lambo is designed to be mad and flamboyant ("look at me" thingy). i know u re one of gtr fanboy but seeing gtr in malaysia is becoming common nowadays while a lambo, furthermore a SV model is soooo RARE.. so comparing both cars are like comparing apples and oranges already.

btw i also read other posts about this accident and LOL'd hard when reading comments like " wa, if like dat better buy BMW instead of lambo (seeing less damage to the cars)".

err anyone for LAMBO MURCIE 670-4SV HALFCUT? xD

This post has been edited by blo0dLuSt: Jun 20 2011, 04:51 PM